Re: County EMS

July 23, 2008

And you have the right to say it because that is who you are. I have the

right to say a few hells and damns because that is who I am and of course Gene

God Bless his old cranky butt has the right to say what he wants because that is

who he is.

Remember each email is listed by who sends them. If you don't care to read what

this person sends then by all means hit the delete key.

Now lets talk about my generation being a bunch of crooks. I have been around

EMS as long as Gene. That is a pretty broad statement (butt) you have the right

to say it because that is who you are.

This list is not about political correctness. It is about folks saying what is

on there mind. Kinda like the old timers would say " I am talking to you " Be

careful how you take that. You could think that I am poking at you. However,

what is really meant by it is that I am telling you like it is.

That is what this list is all about, EMS people telling it like it is.

Henry

Re: County EMS

>>

>> This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

>> required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

>> budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

>> And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

>> reasonable time yet none will come.

>>

>> I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

>> could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

>> ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

>> that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

>> water in court.

>>

>> Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

>> could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

>> from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

>>

>> Renny

>>

>> --- In texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ,

>> medicmomx4@. , medicm

>> >

>> > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

>> I was one

>> > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

>> went from

>> > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

>> worked a lot of

>> > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

>> , and

>> > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

>> that be,

>> > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

>> >

>> > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

>> >

>> > ************ **************Get fantasy football with free live

>> for

>> > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

>> > (http://www.fanhousehttp://www.fanhohttp://www.fanhohttp://www.f <

>> http://www.fanhousehttp://www.fanhohttp://www.fanhohttp://www.f> )

>> >

July 23, 2008

Hey Gene

If it matters, I know you meant no harm, you are still one of the most

important voices we hear.

It is proven by these responses that regardless of what each of us

feels, this is a hot button issue.

Henry I know your no crook, but from my days down in Matagorda County

we both know people who where and are.

Miles

> " Sensitivity " allows the opportunist to throttle the truth.

>

> " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

> simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

> Proverbs 22:3

>

July 23, 2008

hey Gene does mean anything to you. I found a lot of truth in this....

" Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,

illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream

media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible

to pick up a turd by the clean end. "

July 23, 2008

Actually, it's " Wes's Jewish Pay-Up-Front, but For You a Deal, EMS. " ? (Feel free

to email me off-list for my complete collection of jokes about Jews and money.?

It's only $19.99 plus a small charge for shipping and handling.)

I'm offended.? Very offended.? So offended that I won't think for myself or

challenge what you say, but just resort to calling you a " racist, sexist,

anti-gay, right wing bigot. " ? After all, there's no better way to win an

argument that to go straight to the ad hominem attack.? It's worked so well for

the " professional victims " like Al Sharpton, , Gloria Allred and

Gloria Steinem.?? If we ever eliminated racism, sexism, and homophobia all of

the people who are professional victims would have to find a real job.

Most of y'all know that I'm pretty danged conservative, but I'm a downright

liberal when it comes to free speech.? I could care less if you're a Nazi, a

Klansman, or Larry Flynt, you have a right to spew your garbage.? You just don't

get a pass when there are consequences.? In other words, the Dixie Chicks can

hate the President, but those of us who listen to country music can feel free to

boycott their music too.

In short, you can call Gene a racist if you'd like, but remember two things. 1)

You're cheapening your own arguments when you fail to address Gene's comments on

their merits. 2) Racist or not (And Gene's not), you have no right to make

someone stop speaking just by exclaiming " racist " or some other accusation of

" ism " that you picked up in sensitivity training.? (Basically, the people who

teach sensitivity classes for your HR department do that because they are

incapable of doing anything more productive.)

And on the final free speech thought from me, I'll leave y'all to consider

Carlin's " Seven Words. "

F--- y'all,

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, LP

-Attorney/Paramedic/Politically Incorrect

Re: County EMS

> >>

> >> This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

> >> required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

> >> budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

> >> And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

> >> reasonable time yet none will come.

> >>

> >> I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

> >> could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

> >> ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

> >> that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

> >> water in court.

> >>

> >> Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

> >> could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

> >> from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

> >>

> >> Renny

> >>

> >> --- In texasems-l@yahoogro --- In <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ,

> >> medicmomx4@. , medicm

> >> >

> >> > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

> >> I was one

> >> > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

> >> went from

> >> > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

> >> worked a lot of

> >> > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

> >> , and

> >> > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

> >> that be,

> >> > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

> >> >

> >> > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

> >> >

> >> > ************ **************Get fantasy football with free live

> >> for

> >> > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> >> > (http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp:// <

> >> http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp://> )

> >> >

July 23, 2008

Excellent post

Re: County EMS

> >>

> >> This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

> >> required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

> >> budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

> >> And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

> >> reasonable time yet none will come.

> >>

> >> I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

> >> could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

> >> ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

> >> that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

> >> water in court.

> >>

> >> Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

> >> could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

> >> from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

> >>

> >> Renny

> >>

> >> --- In texasems-l@yahoogro --- In <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ,

> >> medicmomx4@. , medicm

> >> >

> >> > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

> >> I was one

> >> > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

> >> went from

> >> > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

> >> worked a lot of

> >> > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

> >> , and

> >> > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

> >> that be,

> >> > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

> >> >

> >> > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

> >> >

> >> > ************ **************Get fantasy football with free live

> >> for

> >> > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> >> > (http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp:// <

> >> http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp://> )

> >> >

July 23, 2008

To quote one of the Greatest Americans of All Time, " Thankya very much. " ?--

?Elvis Presley, whose contribution to EMS was immeasurable.? (After all, he gave

us the term " Elvis " for someone who codes while on the family throne.)

-Wes

Re: County EMS

> >>

> >> This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

> >> required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

> >> budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

> >> And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

> >> reasonable time yet none will come.

> >>

> >> I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

> >> could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

> >> ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

> >> that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

> >> water in court.

> >>

> >> Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

> >> could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

> >> from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

> >>

> >> Renny

> >>

> >> --- In texasems-l@yahoogro --- In <mailto:texasems-mailto:texasems-mai> ,

> >> medicmomx4@. , medicm

> >> >

> >> > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

> >> I was one

> >> > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

> >> went from

> >> > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

> >> worked a lot of

> >> > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

> >> , and

> >> > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

> >> that be,

> >> > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

> >> >

> >> > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

> >> >

> >> > ************ **************Get fantasy football with free live

> >> for

> >> > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> >> > (http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp:// <

> >> http://www.fanhousehttp://www.http://wwwhttp://www.fanhohttp://> )

> >> >

July 23, 2008

I know you know. I think we have all made our points.

One of my early law mentors told me this: Never offer explanations. Your

friends don't need them, and your enemies won't believe them.

I think everybody knows what I meant.

Now let's concentrate our thoughts on County and hope that the good

people there will somehow have the kind of EMS service they deserve.

And always keep this in mind. Things could be worse: You could be in

Arizona.

Gene

>

> Hey Gene

>

> If it matters, I know you meant no harm, you are still one of the most

> important voices we hear.

>

> It is proven by these responses that regardless of what each of us

> feels, this is a hot button issue.

>

> Henry I know your no crook, but from my days down in Matagorda County

> we both know people who where and are.

>

> Miles

>

> > " Sensitivity " allows the opportunist to throttle the truth.

> >

> > " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

> > simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.

> > Proverbs 22:3

> >

July 23, 2008

Here is an idea, Dont wear your feelings on your shoulder people are gonna say

things you wont like, get over it and move on, its called life. Many times I

have had patients call me mean and horrible names, oh it was terrible, boo hoo.

But guess what I got over it I didnt care and I continued on, I even treated

them with respect. And I didnt tie up a group site with it.

Thanks love the info

Subject: Re: Re: County EMS

To: texasems-l

Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 11:21 PM

Bram,

I just want to remind you of Gene's background. He was roaming the earth of EMS

since we were in diapers. He is a true blue person that has got the respect by

some of the biggest names in EMS. He has employed all ethnicity levels in his

different variety of jobs and I personally know of different ethnicity medics

that highly respect him. You are completely missing the point he is trying to

make. All of you that have bashed him are missing the point. He might not have

politically stated it the right way and you can be my guest on disagreeing with

him. Although, you have to understand that Gene has seen radical changes in EMS,

both good, bad, and between. He has taken many EMS company sides in different

situations. He has taught many different people and he has been a great help in

EMS today. I am just trying to tell you unless you have met Gene in person, and

understood the compassion he has for EMS then don't bash him. He is far from

racist and I will

back him to the end of the rope with that.

Thank You,

Binkley

Houston, TX

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: County EMS

> >

> > This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

> > required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

> > budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

> > And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

> > reasonable time yet none will come.

> >

> > I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

> > could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

> > ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

> > that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

> > water in court.

> >

> > Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

> > could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

> > from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

> >

> > Renny

> >

> > --- In texasems-l@yahoogro --- In <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems- mai> ,

> > medicmomx4@. , medicm

> > >

> > > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

> > I was one

> > > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

> > went from

> > > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

> > worked a lot of

> > > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

> > , and

> > > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

> > that be,

> > > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

> > >

> > > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

> > >

> > > ************ ************ **Get fantasy football with free live

> > for

> > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> > > (http://www.fanhouse http://www. http://wwwhttp: //www.fanhohttp: // <

> > http://www.fanhouse http://www. http://wwwhttp: //www.fanhohttp: //> )

> > >

July 23, 2008

To quote the famous California millionaire Rodney King: " Can't we all just

get along? "

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of SCOTT G

Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 12:52 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: County EMS

Here is an idea, Dont wear your feelings on your shoulder people are gonna

say things you wont like, get over it and move on, its called life. Many

times I have had patients call me mean and horrible names, oh it was

terrible, boo hoo. But guess what I got over it I didnt care and I

continued on, I even treated them with respect. And I didnt tie up a group

site with it.

Thanks love the info

From: shawn.binkley@... <mailto:shawn.binkley%40gmail.com>

<shawn.binkley@... <mailto:shawn.binkley%40gmail.com> >

Subject: Re: Re: County EMS

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Date: Tuesday, July 22, 2008, 11:21 PM

Bram,

I just want to remind you of Gene's background. He was roaming the earth of

EMS since we were in diapers. He is a true blue person that has got the

respect by some of the biggest names in EMS. He has employed all ethnicity

levels in his different variety of jobs and I personally know of different

ethnicity medics that highly respect him. You are completely missing the

point he is trying to make. All of you that have bashed him are missing the

point. He might not have politically stated it the right way and you can be

my guest on disagreeing with him. Although, you have to understand that Gene

has seen radical changes in EMS, both good, bad, and between. He has taken

many EMS company sides in different situations. He has taught many different

people and he has been a great help in EMS today. I am just trying to tell

you unless you have met Gene in person, and understood the compassion he has

for EMS then don't bash him. He is far from racist and I will

back him to the end of the rope with that.

Thank You,

Binkley

Houston, TX

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: County EMS

> >

> > This is really proof of the need to push to have EMS become a

> > required service. This could happen in any of our communitys when

> > budget time rolls around. It is sad so many will be unprotected.

> > And how many will dial 911 and still expect an ambulance within a

> > reasonable time yet none will come.

> >

> > I wonder if someone dies when no ambulance shows up if their family

> > could win money. My thinking is based on there was a history of an

> > ambulance being there, so there would now be a reasonable expectation

> > that there still is an ambulance. Don't know if that would hold

> > water in court.

> >

> > Well I hate to see the loss of a service but I actually think it

> > could actually be the first of many as everyone looks to cut funds

> > from the budget. Sorry for rambling.

> >

> > Renny

> >

> > --- In texasems-l@yahoogro --- In <mailto:texasems- mailto:texasems-

mai> ,

> > medicmomx4@. , medicm

> > >

> > > I find it very sad that Ems will no longer be operating.

> > I was one

> > > of the first paramedics for the hospital based service, went it

> > went from

> > > being a private service. There were only a couple of us and we

> > worked a lot of

> > > hours to keep the county covered. We did it for the citizens of

> > , and

> > > now it will no longer be, well at least until one of the powers

> > that be,

> > > becomes a patient or loses someone they love due to response time.

> > >

> > > Melody Shelton (Graham) Emt-P, CRT

> > >

> > > ************ ************ **Get fantasy football with free live

> > for

> > > FanHouse Fantasy Football today.

> > > (http://www.fanhouse http://www. http://wwwhttp: //www.fanhohttp: // <

> > http://www.fanhouse http://www. http://wwwhttp: //www.fanhohttp: //> )

> > >

July 23, 2008

Ahh...the wise doctor. You know.....I love all of you.

And if someone talks bad about any of you - I just might whip 'em.

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