High Dose Vitamin A...

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I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing. womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time. -Tammy

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I still think it may be connected to visual issues. Have u looked into vision therapy?RuthSent from my iPhone

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing. womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time. -Tammy

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no, but I will. Because while the visual stimms have lessened, they're still there.The pencil waving thing went away and he's not crossing his eyes nearly as much as he was.The eye crossing thing will disappear for weeks, sometimes months at a time. But always manages to sneak its way back in. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

I still think it may be connected to visual issues. Have u looked into vision therapy?RuthSent from my iPhone

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing. womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time. -Tammy

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It sounds like ocular motor issues. A good dev optometrist should be able to help. Prism glasses helped the toe walking & vision therapy helped strengthen his eye muscles.If you live near LA, this program is also really great. www.neuro-fit.com. Best of luck - RutnSent from my iPhone

no, but I will. Because while the visual stimms have lessened, they're still there.The pencil waving thing went away and he's not crossing his eyes nearly as much as he was.The eye crossing thing will disappear for weeks, sometimes months at a time. But always manages to sneak its way back in. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

I still think it may be connected to visual issues. Have u looked into vision therapy?RuthSent from my iPhone

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing. womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time. -Tammy

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I'm in RI....but I'll look around. : )

Tammy

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Good news! Congratulations!Grace

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Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our

house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign

of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we

supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right

now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4 " ...can't keep up w/his cloths or

his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt

w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised

when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium,

calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my

#1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not

absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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, thank you so much. Yes, it has occurred to me and other people have suggested the same. Behaviors will emerge out of the blue the way we see it happen in pandas. But, we really don't see much in the way of your typical red flags: no tics, no OCD, no rage or moodiness. I recently revisited pandasnetwork when another listmate also voiced concerns about my son and possible pandas and I'm just not feeling a connection (I can be dense, though). One thing has occurred to me: we've established that strep is not always the culprit in pandas (or pans). I have considered the idea that if another pathogen is responsible for the flares, then its possible we may see a different set of behaviors. I will address this with his doctor, but I doubt he will agree that my son's behaviors are severe enough to warrant a trial of antibiotics. Some of his good flora was on the low end of reference on his last OATS so I know his doctor

would have to be completely convinced to give it a go. Thank you so much. Please feel free to share any other thoughts. : )

-Tammy

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To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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> >IÂ had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

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> >womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

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> >-Tammy

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Back to "High dose vitamin A", given its toxicity concern at super high doses of 400,000 and beyond, why haven't anybody tried IV vitamin C or a combination of "bowel tolerance" oral dose of C with liposomal C ? Is it because of oxalate fear?And if vitamin A then it has to be vitamin A Palmitate or Retinol?Thanks anyone.-----------Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@...- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India; Member ISOM- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA);- www.RegainMentalHealth.com/ www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealthTo: mb12valtrex From: baile1234@...Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:12:49 -0800Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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> >womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

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> >-Tammy

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Tammy - all you need is a blood test. Ask your doc to run IgG & IgM titers for strep a, mycoplasma pneumonia, Lyme (western blot), EBV, CMV, & HHV6. Also, antiDnase and ASO. This will tell you what is going on. Also, While original onset of symptoms is usually sudden, they don't all. Ecessarily show up at once. First exacerbations are often more subtle. Also, OCD doesn't always look like the oCD we often think of. Myy son had intrusive thoughts that he did not tell me about for 2 yrs because he was afraid something bad would happen to me if he did. So he did not have apparent OCD. He did have unusual fears that sound very much like you describe. The rages did not start until later. And it started slow and just got worse over a two yr timeframe because we did not know what was causing it. I wish someone would have mentioned PANDAS to me earlier. It would have saved me & my kid a lot of heartache. Recently my oldest (straight a student, top athlete) started showing some weird things. I asked to have him tested for the above infections, even though in my heart I did not really think it could be that. He is healthy & I really thought it was middle school stress. But sure enough it was an infection - Lyme. Freaked me out. I just encourage you to get the blood test. If it is negative , great. If it is positive but you caught it early, great. I hope it is negative , then at least you can check it off the list. Wishing you the best - RuthSent from my iPhone

, thank you so much. Yes, it has occurred to me and other people have suggested the same. Behaviors will emerge out of the blue the way we see it happen in pandas. But, we really don't see much in the way of your typical red flags: no tics, no OCD, no rage or moodiness. I recently revisited pandasnetwork when another listmate also voiced concerns about my son and possible pandas and I'm just not feeling a connection (I can be dense, though). One thing has occurred to me: we've established that strep is not always the culprit in pandas (or pans). I have considered the idea that if another pathogen is responsible for the flares, then its possible we may see a different set of behaviors. I will address this with his doctor, but I doubt he will agree that my son's behaviors are severe enough to warrant a trial of antibiotics. Some of his good flora was on the low end of reference on his last OATS so I know his doctor

would have to be completely convinced to give it a go. Thank you so much. Please feel free to share any other thoughts. : )

-Tammy

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Sent: Thu Feb 23 08:12:49 EST 2012

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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> >IÂ had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

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> >womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

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> >-Tammy

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Ratan,

Vitamin A specifically targets measles.

Animal derived Vitamin A is preferred, but when doing two days of high dosages, that can be extremely difficult to achieve. So for that reason, the micellized form is recommended. You would not want to use beta carotene (though its only right to add that a couple of people have had success with this form). We do maintenance with fish-derived vitamin A.

For what it's worth, I have tremendous confidence in Vitamin C and have no doubt in its abilities. It was one of the first interventions I used with Tom and the results (along with magnesium) were AWESOME. If you had no way to obtain a supplemental vitamin A, and wanted to address measles, unless you were facing an issue with oxalates, I would say it couldn't hurt to give it a go.

But you should bear in mind that anyone who has had the MMR vaccines or used acetaminophen, had their vitamin A stores depleted. With the standard American diet, especially with picky eaters, it is doubtful that they are eating enough to replenish what was used up. So, you can be successful using C to address a whole host of pathogens, but as you know, our bodies still need to replace the missing Vitamin A.

Hope this helps,

Tammy

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Ruth,

Thank you. I will make an appointment. Some of these tests were done a year and a half ago. I might be able to get him to repeat. You struck me when you talked about your son's hesistation to share his fears. Maybe doc will be willing to pull labs again. ..even during the day now when Tom hears an unfamiliar noise, he gets nervous. This behavior is new and strange.

-Tammy

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To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy - all you need is a blood test. Ask your doc to run IgG & IgM titers for strep a, mycoplasma pneumonia, Lyme (western blot), EBV, CMV, & HHV6. Also, antiDnase and ASO. This will tell you what is going on. Also, While original onset of symptoms is usually sudden, they don't all. Ecessarily show up at once. First exacerbations are often more subtle. Also, OCD doesn't always look like the oCD we often think of. Myy son had intrusive thoughts that he did not tell me about for 2 yrs because he was afraid something bad would happen to me if he did. So he did not have apparent OCD. He did have unusual fears that sound very much like you describe. The rages did not start until later. And it started slow and just got worse over a two yr timeframe because we did not know what was causing it. I wish someone would have mentioned PANDAS to me earlier. It would have saved me & my kid a lot of

heartache. Recently my oldest (straight a student, top athlete) started showing some weird things. I asked to have him tested for the above infections, even though in my heart I did not really think it could be that. He is healthy & I really thought it was middle school stress. But sure enough it was an infection - Lyme. Freaked me out. I just encourage you to get the blood test. If it is negative , great. If it is positive but you caught it early, great. I hope it is negative , then at least you can check it off the list. Wishing you the best - RuthSent from my iPhone

, thank you so much. Yes, it has occurred to me and other people have suggested the same. Behaviors will emerge out of the blue the way we see it happen in pandas. But, we really don't see much in the way of your typical red flags: no tics, no OCD, no rage or moodiness. I recently revisited pandasnetwork when another listmate also voiced concerns about my son and possible pandas and I'm just not feeling a connection (I can be dense, though). One thing has occurred to me: we've established that strep is not always the culprit in pandas (or pans). I have considered the idea that if another pathogen is responsible for the flares, then its possible we may see a different set of behaviors. I will address this with his doctor, but I doubt he will agree that my son's behaviors are severe enough to warrant a trial of antibiotics. Some of his good flora was on the low end of reference on his last OATS so I know his doctor

would have to be completely convinced to give it a go. Thank you so much. Please feel free to share any other thoughts. : )

-Tammy

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To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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> >-Tammy

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Typically people use Mycelized Vitamin A which is normally a Retinyl Palmitate.The only reason they use a Retinyl instead of plant based caratenoids is because this protocol is only 2 days every 5 months. If you were to dose Vitamin A every day, you would want to avoid high doses of Retinyl because of toxicity. We have had members of this list go into vitamin a toxicity due to overdosing so you really want to make sure that you don't confuse a 2 day high dose protocol with daily or regular dosing.Many times Vitamin C is used in a Meyers Cocktail for those that get IV chelation or any other IV. But C does not actually get to the measles like A does. WHO even recommends it as a treatment for measles.

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Back to "High dose vitamin A", given its toxicity concern at super high doses of 400,000 and beyond, why haven't anybody tried IV vitamin C or a combination of "bowel tolerance" oral dose of C with liposomal C ? Is it because of oxalate fear?And if vitamin A then it has to be vitamin A Palmitate or Retinol?Thanks anyone.-----------Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@...- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India; Member ISOM- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA);- www.RegainMentalHealth.com/ www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealthTo: mb12valtrex From: baile1234@...Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:12:49 -0800Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy, Forgive my ignorance for I am new to the group, and only catch posts here and there so I don't know much about anyone or their story. The description below of your son with the Anxiety, fears, Pupils, "potty" talk....Sounds like a lot of Pandas symptoms. Although many of us know Pandas symptoms and ASD symptoms are very similar. Just can't ignore some of those and not bring up pandas. Anyone in the house been sick lately? Or friends or close relatives? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita, We use both zinc and magnesium.He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc. He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I

have to admit, funny) thing to hear a

nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house.

lol) Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round. His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So

that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while. -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AM Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tammy,

Zinc & /or magnesium helped visual tics around our (it's usually zinc around our house).

Does he have any white spots on his finger nails by chance (that can be a sign of low zinc...the other signs were in a recent post I just did....

Sometimes around here he'll be just fine with his zinc dosage (it's one that we supplement in addition to a good multi)...then a growth spurt hits (like right now...being 13 he's puberty & has just grown 4"...can't keep up w/his cloths or his zinc....thank goodness for his Immusist because I was in a world of hurt w/his mineral derrangement paired w/puberty last year. We were not surprised when he broke his arm...w/his mineral derrangement, especially magnesium, calcium & Strontim...yep all the major bone buiding ones were low....it was my #1 concern last year even w/our high dose supplementation his body just was not absorbing it...thank goodness he's doing better this year.

Blessings,

Rita

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> >IÂ had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

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> >womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

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> >-Tammy

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Hi Tammy,Quick question...if my kids have oxalate issues, does this mean the vitamin A protocol could cause more problems?One thing I have noticed that I cannot figure out with vitamin A (and some of my son's amino acids), his apparent need for it has risen since adding in supplementation (mycellized A), according to his last 2 Nutrevals. But in other recent blood tests his A levels are high.....i've switched over to the cod liver oil with vitamin A instead.....have you seen this before? I know he has a german measles issue bc he had it about 3months after his MMR and his titers are still high.....Thanks for any

thoughts! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Ratan,

Vitamin A specifically targets measles.

Animal derived Vitamin A is preferred, but when doing two days of high dosages, that can be extremely difficult to achieve. So for that reason, the micellized form is recommended. You would not want to use beta carotene (though its only right to add that a couple of people have had success with this form). We do maintenance with fish-derived vitamin A.

For what it's worth, I have tremendous confidence in Vitamin C and have no doubt in its abilities. It was one of the first interventions I used with Tom and the results (along with magnesium) were AWESOME. If you had no way to obtain a supplemental vitamin A, and wanted to address measles, unless you were facing an issue with oxalates, I would say it couldn't hurt to give it a go.

But you should bear in mind that anyone who has had the MMR vaccines or used acetaminophen, had their vitamin A stores depleted. With the standard American diet, especially with picky eaters, it is doubtful that they are eating enough to replenish what was used up. So, you can be successful using C to address a whole host of pathogens, but as you know, our bodies still need to replace the missing Vitamin A.

Hope this helps,

Tammy

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Gosh,maybe someone can interject here because I really don't have any juicy info to share. I do know that measles feed off vitamin A unless and until the dose is high enough to actually kill it. Tom did so great his two days on and the following day...it was like his body couldn't get enough of it. I felt like he could have kept going at the high dose, but I wouldnt take the chance.

I wonder if the timing of your son's tests after having his daily dose affected test results??

-Tammy

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Sent: Thu Feb 23 13:57:23 EST 2012

To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Tammy,Quick question...if my kids have oxalate issues, does this mean the vitamin A protocol could cause more problems?One thing I have noticed that I cannot figure out with vitamin A (and some of my son's amino acids), his apparent need for it has risen since adding in supplementation (mycellized A), according to his last 2 Nutrevals. But in other recent blood tests his A levels are high.....i've switched over to the cod liver oil with vitamin A instead.....have you seen this before? I know he has a german measles issue bc he had it about 3months after his MMR and his titers are still high.....Thanks for any

thoughts! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: RE: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Ratan,

Vitamin A specifically targets measles.

Animal derived Vitamin A is preferred, but when doing two days of high dosages, that can be extremely difficult to achieve. So for that reason, the micellized form is recommended. You would not want to use beta carotene (though its only right to add that a couple of people have had success with this form). We do maintenance with fish-derived vitamin A.

For what it's worth, I have tremendous confidence in Vitamin C and have no doubt in its abilities. It was one of the first interventions I used with Tom and the results (along with magnesium) were AWESOME. If you had no way to obtain a supplemental vitamin A, and wanted to address measles, unless you were facing an issue with oxalates, I would say it couldn't hurt to give it a go.

But you should bear in mind that anyone who has had the MMR vaccines or used acetaminophen, had their vitamin A stores depleted. With the standard American diet, especially with picky eaters, it is doubtful that they are eating enough to replenish what was used up. So, you can be successful using C to address a whole host of pathogens, but as you know, our bodies still need to replace the missing Vitamin A.

Hope this helps,

Tammy

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[Guest guest]

how is toms pooping tammy?? there was a kid at my sons kung fu class he was also toe walking...and i felt this deep discomfort in his gut area...(i can feel peoples feelings sometimes)

I wanted togo over to his mom and drill her about his diet and poop...

but I know that would not have been recieved very well....

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:45 PMSubject: High Dose Vitamin A...

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

-Tammy

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Tom's the model pooper. Lol...they're fantastic. He goes daily, they're nice and big, well formed,good color,.everything well digested. His belly is nice and flat. (I wish my younger guy's were that good).

We'll start chelating this weekend. Then I'm going to hit parasites. I figure it cant hurt. Between the itch deep in his ear (which he has had forever) and the way my younger one always has his hands down his pants or constantly pulling his pants down, Id say thats reason enough. We can do that while I'm waiting for his appt to get labs pulled.

Strange things are going on. rrrrrrrrrr.

-Tammy

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Sent: Fri Feb 24 08:38:43 EST 2012

To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

how is toms pooping tammy?? there was a kid at my sons kung fu class he was also toe walking...and i felt this deep discomfort in his gut area...(i can feel peoples feelings sometimes)

I wanted togo over to his mom and drill her about his diet and poop...

but I know that would not have been recieved very well....

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:45 PMSubject: High Dose Vitamin A...

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

-Tammy

[Guest guest]

I think you on right track tammy!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:05 AMSubject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Tom's the model pooper. Lol...they're fantastic. He goes daily, they're nice and big, well formed,good color,.everything well digested. His belly is nice and flat. (I wish my younger guy's were that good).

We'll start chelating this weekend. Then I'm going to hit parasites. I figure it cant hurt. Between the itch deep in his ear (which he has had forever) and the way my younger one always has his hands down his pants or constantly pulling his pants down, Id say thats reason enough. We can do that while I'm waiting for his appt to get labs pulled.Strange things are going on. rrrrrrrrrr.

-TammySent from my Kindle Fire

Sent: Fri Feb 24 08:38:43 EST 2012To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Subject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

how is toms pooping tammy?? there was a kid at my sons kung fu class he was also toe walking...and i felt this deep discomfort in his gut area...(i can feel peoples feelings sometimes)

I wanted togo over to his mom and drill her about his diet and poop...

but I know that would not have been recieved very well....

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:45 PMSubject: High Dose Vitamin A...

I had reported that Tom's toe-walking had disappeared on the second day of high dosing.

womp wommmmmmp. It's back. Big time.

-Tammy

[Guest guest]

Can you recommend any preparation of Vit A that has Retinyl Palmitate? I am not really looking for high dose but for daily supplementation.Any comment on Vit E brand is also welcome.

Noel

Typically people use Mycelized Vitamin A which is normally a Retinyl Palmitate.The only reason they use a Retinyl instead of plant based caratenoids is because this protocol is only 2 days every 5 months. If you were to dose Vitamin A every day, you would want to avoid high doses of Retinyl because of toxicity. We have had members of this list go into vitamin a toxicity due to overdosing so you really want to make sure that you don't confuse a 2 day high dose protocol with daily or regular dosing.

Many times Vitamin C is used in a Meyers Cocktail for those that get IV chelation or any other IV. But C does not actually get to the measles like A does. WHO even recommends it as a treatment for measles.

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tammy just a thought..but did these symptoms...dilated pupil heart palpatations start around the same time you put him on adrenagize?

if so then it could be the adrenal cortex is causing a reaction?

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:22 AMSubject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

Hi Rita,

We use both zinc and magnesium.

He used to have those white spots on his fingernails. Those disappeared after some time on the zinc.

He has me a little nervous lately and I'm not quite sure what to think:

A couple of weeks ago, we went out and as we were getting out of the car, he was crying and said he felt like his heart wasn't working.

I reassured him., showed him how to feel his own pulse, and he was better after a minute or two.

Then they other day we were having lunch and he started to cry and said "My head! Am I having having a stroke?"...kind of an odd (and I have to admit, funny) thing to hear a nine year old say. I assured him he wasn't having a stroke and again, after a minute, he was fine. He could not describe what his head felt like. He said it was not pain. He knows what "brain freeze" is and is able to tell us about it so it wasn't that.

I'm concerned about seizure acitivity. But why? At 9, why would they start now? So I'm keeping a close eye. We've also been having a hard time at night. He's worried about strangers coming into the house, every little noise freaks him out, I'm sleeping in his room with him every night. So it's possible he's just having general anxiety. I have wondered about puberty, myself....The other day, he went in the bathroom to pee and was kind enough to yell out to the entire house "Hey look! I've got hairy balls!! " His 6 year old brother promptly went in to investigate. (Sometimes it's hard being the only female in the house. lol)

Also, his pupils have been in a near-constant state of dilation for the past few weeks. It seems like they never constrict.

The only thing we are currently taking is a multivitamin with extra A,C,D, E, his calcium, magnesium and zinc and Adrenergize (we'll begin chelating this weekend). I also gave him alfalfa and some pectin for a couple of days just to make sure he could tolerate them before we start our first round.

His grammar is dipping here and there lately, but his cognition is up. His cousin slept over last night and had drawn some chinese symbols on a piece of paper. Tom was able to replicate them exactly. This is HUGE. He's never been able to replicate pictures like that as he has a difficult time understanding the spatial relationships of shapes to one another. So that was a pretty big deal. I'm seeing cognitive gains in school as well - so I don't know if it's throwing everything else off temporarily? Things are not clear. Everyday, I'm seeing new, good things. Yet, there's always something to remind me that we haven't quite made it to the top of the hill just yet. We'll begin chelation and see where that takes us. I'm so tired of this consuming our days. I think it's time to just enjoy life and eachother for a while.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 AMSubject: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

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No...they started before the adrenergize....(which, btw, has been super-awesome for my little guy)

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[Guest guest]

No...they started before the adrenergize....(which, btw, has been super-awesome for my little guy)

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[Guest guest]

hmmmm....should be interesting to see how your guy reacts to the chelation....i know with my son he had dilated pupils before chelation that went away almost as soon I started chelating....definitly could be metals your son has amoung the other possibilitys....

all this panda talk got me thinkin about my guy too....he had a poop test done about three years ago that was high in strep....he has periods of OCD rage and aggression....i see him crying at times as he feels so bad when he acts this way...I am trying to control with immusist and binders....

will see....im also planning another parastie treatment again and i know the naturals parastie herbs also treat bacteria....F. some days I wish I could just go get drunk and not worry bout pandas or autism.

doesnt look like that will happen any time soon.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 5:17 AMSubject: Re: Re: High Dose Vitamin A...

No...they started before the adrenergize....(which, btw, has been super-awesome for my little guy)Sent from my Kindle Fire