Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

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In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:07:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

larn572001@... writes:

I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I suspect

the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone plows him on

the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect public

safety would be worth every cent they get.

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

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Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this editor

(who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

services...He/she also did not do a great job of explaining the meaning

of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic starting

out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

[Guest guest]

heres the link:

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/07/27/0727p

olicepay_edit.html

I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

correctly for paramedics.

Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

favor say Aye.

Renny

>

> Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

editor

> (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> services...He/she also did not do a great job of explaining the

meaning

> of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

starting

> out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

>

[Guest guest]

NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all about...

I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it shows

starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.? These

numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the Austin data

is correct.

This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

services....many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public

safety services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase

as every other function in the city so that these other services do not have to

be cut even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

times...especially since some PS agencies are vocally asking for much much more

than others...even though they are already the highest paid agency in the City,

2nd in the country.?

This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig into for the

deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be legislated " essential

service " we have to understand that every other interest group out there feels

they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, most of us do not

interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday (LEO's on here not

included)...most of us do not summon the FD for a medical emergency or fire

everyday...or call for medical transportation every day...

But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower or

flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park, dive

into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on how to

prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you

on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...and

although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt

everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and if

Austin PD, FD or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get and

the taxes go up and/or other services that are popular go down...it is going to

be tougher and tougher to be on the positive side of public perception...and

people may very well start running for office not opposing the incumbents but

opposing the public safety agencies who support the incumbents.

Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can support

everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon where they

are and the level of work that they do.??

Dudley

PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn, its what

you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36 hours of

this thread....

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

heres the link:

http://www.statesman.com/opinion/content/editorial/stories/07/27/0727p

olicepay_edit.html

I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

correctly for paramedics.

Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

favor say Aye.

Renny

>

> Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

editor

> (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> services...He/she also did not do a great job of explaining the

meaning

> of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

starting

> out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I suspect the

author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone plows him on the

MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect public safety

would be worth every cent they get.

 

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

[Guest guest]

Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that.

BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows me

demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to the

picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty

queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine.

GG

>

> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all about...

>

> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it

> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.?

These

> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the Austin

> data is correct.

>

> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other services....

> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

services....<wbr>

> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety

> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase as

every

> other function in the city so that these other services do not have to be cut

> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

> times...especially since

>

> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig into for

> the deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be legislated

> " essential service " we have to understand that every other interest group out

> there feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, most

> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday (LEO's

> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read

> and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want

>

> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower or

> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park, dive

> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on how to

> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

>

> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of

> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...

> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you

on

> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>and

> although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt

> everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

> municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and if

Austin PD, FD

> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get an Times are

> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on this

> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns

>

> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can support

> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon where they

> are and the level of work that they do.??

>

> Dudley

>

> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn, its

> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36 hours

> of this thread....

>

> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

>

> heres the link:

> http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www.

> olicepay_edit. oli

>

> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> correctly for paramedics.

>

> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> favor say Aye.

>

> Renny

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> editor

> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> meaning

> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> starting

> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

You know what is crazy to me? People have no problem spending $7 for a cup

of Starbuck's Coffee, $50 to get a ticket to see a country & western singer

at Bob's, $3500 for a suite at the new Cowboy's stadium, $50,000 for a

new Tahoe or the fact that a professional football player just signed a

$28million dollar 3 year contract but OMG raise taxes $50 per year to

support public safety employees raises so they don't have to work 2-3 jobs

to make ends meet and this guy calls it " outrageous " ! PLEASE!

Lee

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Larry

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:07 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I suspect

the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone plows him on

the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect public

safety would be worth every cent they get.

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

[Guest guest]

Lee wrote: " You know what is crazy to me? People have no problem spending $7... "

 

I'm with you, brother...All you can do is laugh, 'cuz it hurts too much to cry.

 

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

[Guest guest]

http://www.svherald.com/

Quite the beauty queen!

Dudley

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

>

> heres the link:

> http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www.

> olicepay_edit. oli

>

> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> correctly for paramedics.

>

> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> favor say Aye.

>

> Renny

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> editor

> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> meaning

> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> starting

> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

And 1000 times more viewable!

LNM

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

>

> heres the link:

> http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www.

> olicepay_edit. oli

>

> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> correctly for paramedics.

>

> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> favor say Aye.

>

> Renny

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> editor

> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> meaning

> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> starting

> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay....wait just a second Lee....

Now, if we were not talking about Austin...and maybe some other agency, I would

agree with you...but back when I started in EMS as a Paramedic and was working

for $6 an hour, or went to work for College Station for $25K...had you told me

you could run 911 calls in nice trucks in a well run system...and make over $45K

or $50K a year I would have transported you for mental evaluation...yet we have

it today, and to get every employee a 2% raise (and not just FD, PD and EMS)

taxes are increasing...yet someone asks please...don't give the Public Safety

folks more than what everyone else is getting so that the rest of the City

services are not cut further during these economic times...and we are concerned

that they may have to work 2-3 jobs to get by???

So, my point is if we go from the low to mid 30's to high 40's or 50's and we

still have to work 2-3 jobs...how many jobs do we need to work if we raise the

pay to 70 or 80's??? Or 120's???? And if this is the case...maybe the problem is

that we are poorly responsible individuals in managing the money we get.? Our

agency has lost several people to A/TC EMS because of the promise of large pay

increases (a couple years ago, a 35% raise or more)...yet after being gone for

3-6 months, they are back working PT shifts as often as they can to make ends

meet...so again I would have to ask...is more money gonna solve our problems???

Dudley

Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I suspect

the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone plows him on

the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect public

safety would be worth every cent they get.

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

[Guest guest]

I understand what you are saying Dudley, I guess the point I was trying to

make was more about what people consider priorities in today's world that's

all.

Lee

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@...

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:31 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

Okay....wait just a second Lee....

Now, if we were not talking about Austin...and maybe some other agency, I

would agree with you...but back when I started in EMS as a Paramedic and was

working for $6 an hour, or went to work for College Station for $25K...had

you told me you could run 911 calls in nice trucks in a well run

system...and make over $45K or $50K a year I would have transported you for

mental evaluation...yet we have it today, and to get every employee a 2%

raise (and not just FD, PD and EMS) taxes are increasing...yet someone asks

please...don't give the Public Safety folks more than what everyone else is

getting so that the rest of the City services are not cut further during

these economic times...and we are concerned that they may have to work 2-3

jobs to get by???

So, my point is if we go from the low to mid 30's to high 40's or 50's and

we still have to work 2-3 jobs...how many jobs do we need to work if we

raise the pay to 70 or 80's??? Or 120's???? And if this is the case...maybe

the problem is that we are poorly responsible individuals in managing the

money we get.? Our agency has lost several people to A/TC EMS because of the

promise of large pay increases (a couple years ago, a 35% raise or

more)...yet after being gone for 3-6 months, they are back working PT shifts

as often as they can to make ends meet...so again I would have to ask...is

more money gonna solve our problems???

Dudley

Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I suspect

the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone plows him on

the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect public

safety would be worth every cent they get.

" A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the

simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

Proverbs 22:3

[Guest guest]

Lee your post hit the nail right on the head. People have prioritys

all wrong. You should post that on the Austin Statesmans site.

Dudley you mention what you used to be paid. Honestly pay was to low

then as well. But now when you factor inflation pay for EMS

professionals has not kept pace. Non of us expect to get rich in EMS

unless we decide to start MEDICARE FRAUD EMS and risk prision to do

it. The rest of us are in EMS because we enjoy helping people. So

why can we not get a truly liveable wage doing what we love?

Pecos County as well as other services have gotten pay at and above

$18 hour for Paramedics $15 for Intermediates and $13 for basics

payed all 24 with great benefits. But everything that is required to

live has gone up so much in the last 3-5 years that it still requires

people to work multiple jobs just to have the basics to survive, no

not toys not luxurys but the basics. I remember when a person making

$50000 was considered well off. Now that just barely covers the

necessities.

So is $80000 to much for a PreHospital Healthcare Professional? No.

In fact it is to little in my honest opinion. I am not trying to

argue with anyone but I just see no reason that our profession is

expected to make so little to do what we love to do. I guess I

should leave this profession for something I hate to do then it would

be OK for me to make a decent pay check.

Renny

>

> I understand what you are saying Dudley, I guess the point I was

trying to

> make was more about what people consider priorities in today's

world that's

> all.

>

>

>

> Lee

>

>

>

> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-

l ] On

> Behalf Of THEDUDMAN@...

> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:31 PM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted

again

>

>

>

> Okay....wait just a second Lee....

>

> Now, if we were not talking about Austin...and maybe some other

agency, I

> would agree with you...but back when I started in EMS as a

Paramedic and was

> working for $6 an hour, or went to work for College Station for

$25K...had

> you told me you could run 911 calls in nice trucks in a well run

> system...and make over $45K or $50K a year I would have transported

you for

> mental evaluation...yet we have it today, and to get every employee

a 2%

> raise (and not just FD, PD and EMS) taxes are increasing...yet

someone asks

> please...don't give the Public Safety folks more than what everyone

else is

> getting so that the rest of the City services are not cut further

during

> these economic times...and we are concerned that they may have to

work 2-3

> jobs to get by???

>

> So, my point is if we go from the low to mid 30's to high 40's or

50's and

> we still have to work 2-3 jobs...how many jobs do we need to work

if we

> raise the pay to 70 or 80's??? Or 120's???? And if this is the

case...maybe

> the problem is that we are poorly responsible individuals in

managing the

> money we get.? Our agency has lost several people to A/TC EMS

because of the

> promise of large pay increases (a couple years ago, a 35% raise or

> more)...yet after being gone for 3-6 months, they are back working

PT shifts

> as often as they can to make ends meet...so again I would have to

ask...is

> more money gonna solve our problems???

>

> Dudley

>

> Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted

again

>

> I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I

suspect

> the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone

plows him on

> the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect

public

> safety would be worth every cent they get.

>

> " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for

them; the

> simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

> Proverbs 22:3

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll jump in with two unconnected thoughts on the whole issue here in Austin.

1) Basic common sense dictates that we base our living expenses on our salary,

not overtime or part time jobs.?Enough said.

2) While I don't think that our public safety folks are overpaid, I think the

unions are doing a grave disservice to their members by merely fighting for pay

raises.? The city and the unions have reached an unspoken understanding - the

city?continues to fork over money and the union accepts whatever working

conditions and restrictions the city imposes.?A union owes it to its members to

fight for improved working conditions.? Salary is only a part of working

conditions.? I've heard that A/TCEMS has something near a 25% attrition rate.?

Perhaps it might be in the membership's interest to fight for alternative

schedules, different career paths, or even (GASP) some semblance of due process

in promotion and disciplinary measures.

I've yet to leave a job because of salary alone. Management, working conditions,

and opportunities to advance are why people typically leave a job.

Just my thoughts.

-Wes Ogilvie

-Austin, Texas

Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted

again

>

> I agree, public safety isn't used everyday by everyone. However, I

suspect

> the author of the op-ed would sing a different tune if someone

plows him on

> the MoPac and he has to be cut out and transported. Then I suspect

public

> safety would be worth every cent they get.

>

> " A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for

them; the

> simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. "

> Proverbs 22:3

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.svherald.com/articles/2008/07/27/news/doc488c33737f0ca6134758

57.txt

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of wegandy1938@...

Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:09 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that.

BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows

me

demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to

the

picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty

queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine.

GG

In a message dated 7/27/08 2:41:07 PM, THEDUDMAN@...

<mailto:THEDUDMAN%40aol.com> writes:

>

> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all

about...

>

> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS,

it

> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of

$74K.? These

> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the

Austin

> data is correct.

>

> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do

not

> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

services....

> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do

not

> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

services....<wbr>

> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety

> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay

increase as every

> other function in the city so that these other services do not have to

be cut

> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

> times...especially since

>

> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig

into for

> the deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be

legislated

> " essential service " we have to understand that every other interest

group out

> there feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face

it, most

> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday

(LEO's

> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should

all read

> and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want

>

> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or

shower or

> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a

park, dive

> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on

how to

> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

>

> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.?

Many of

> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic

downturns...

> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.?

Many of you on

> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic

downturns...<wbr>and

> although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being

felt

> everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

> municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes

and if Austin PD, FD

> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get an

Times are

> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you

on this

> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns

>

> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can

support

> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon

where they

> are and the level of work that they do.??

>

> Dudley

>

> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn,

its

> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to

36 hours

> of this thread....

>

> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

>

> heres the link:

> http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www.

<http://www.statesmahttp:/www.stahttp:/www.statehttp:/wwwhttp:/www.>

> olicepay_edit. oli

>

> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> correctly for paramedics.

>

> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> favor say Aye.

>

> Renny

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> editor

> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> meaning

> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> starting

> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gene,

Maybe they got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were actually

supposed to be the beauth queen.

> Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that.

>

>

>

>BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows me

>

>demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to the

>

>picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty

>

>queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine.

>

>

>

>GG

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>

>> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all about...

>

>>

>

>> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it

>

>> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.?

These

>

>> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the Austin

>

>> data is correct.

>

>>

>

>> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

>

>> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other services....

>

>> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

>

>> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

services....<wbr>

>

>> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety

>

>> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase as

every

>

>> other function in the city so that these other services do not have to be cut

>

>> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

>

>> times...especially since

>

>>

>

>> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig into for

>

>> the deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be legislated

>

>> " essential service " we have to understand that every other interest group out

>

>> there feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, most

>

>> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday (LEO's

>

>> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read

>

>> and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want

>

>>

>

>> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower or

>

>> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park, dive

>

>> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on how to

>

>> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

>

>>

>

>> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of

>

>> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...

>

>> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of

you

on

>

>> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>and

>

>> although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt

>

>> everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

>

>> municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and if

Austin PD, FD

>

>> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get an Times are

>

>> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on this

>

>> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns

>

>>

>

>> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can support

>

>> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon where they

>

>> are and the level of work that they do.??

>

>>

>

>> Dudley

>

>>

>

>> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn, its

>

>> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36

hours

>

>> of this thread....

>

>>

>

>> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

>

>>

>

>> heres the link:

>

>> http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www.

>

>> olicepay_edit. oli

>

>>

>

>> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

>

>> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

>

>> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

>

>> correctly for paramedics.

>

>>

>

>> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

>

>> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

>

>> favor say Aye.

>

>>

>

>> Renny

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> >

>

>> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

>

>> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

>

>> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

>

>> editor

>

>> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

>

>> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

>

>> meaning

>

>> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

>

>> starting

>

>> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

>

>> >

>

>>

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Gene, those of us who have seen your feet and legs in those crazy shorts and

flip flops you were know YOU AIN'T NO BEAUTY QUEEN!!!!!! (Yes, I realize that

was not grammatically correct but who you gonna call?) LOL

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@...: raaems605@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008

11:38:15 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted

again

Gene, Maybe they got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were

actually supposed to be the beauth queen. > Gee thanks, Dudley. I

needed that. > > > >BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald

today. Shows me > >demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea.

Right next to the > >picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL.

The beauty > >queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine. > > > >GG > >In a

message dated 7/27/08 2:41:07 PM, THEDUDMAN@... writes: > > > >> > >> NAY!

from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all about... > >> > >> I

appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it > >>

shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.? These

> >> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the Austin

> >> data is correct. > >> > >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut

firefighters or that we do not > >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has

a multitude of other services.... > >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or

cut firefighters or that we do not > >> deserve it...it is saying that the City

has a multitude of other services....<wbr> > >> many of them used more

frequently and regularly than the public safety > >> services...and it is time

to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase as every > >> other function in

the city so that these other services do not have to be cut > >> even

more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic > >>

times...especially since > >> > >> This op ed is a great lesson that we should

all read and try to dig into for > >> the deeper issues...because if we ever

want more pay, or to be legislated > >> " essential service " we have to

understand that every other interest group out > >> there feels they are as

equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, most > >> of us do not interact

with LEO's at our residence or business everyday (LEO's > >> on here not

included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read > >> and try

to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want > >> > >> But I will

bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower or > >> flush with

it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park, dive > >> into a

city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on how to > >> prove

Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve.... > >> > >> Times

are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of > >> you on

this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns... > >> Times

are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on > >>

this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>and > >>

although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt > >>

everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and > >>

municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and if

Austin PD, FD > >> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees

get an Times are > >> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.?

Many of you on this > >> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic

downturns > >> > >> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I

can support > >> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based

upon where they > >> are and the level of work that they do.?? > >> > >> Dudley

> >> > >> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn,

its > >> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to

36 hours > >> of this thread.... > >> > >> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting

blasted again > >> > >> heres the link: > >>

http://www.statesmahttp://www.stahttp://www.statehttp://wwwhttp://www. > >>

olicepay_edit. oli > >> > >> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some

where. Now $80000 is > >> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I

talked with > >> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I

recall > >> correctly for paramedics. > >> > >> Since the public already thinks

we're paid so good I move that all > >> services raise the starting wage for

paramedics to $80000. All in > >> favor say Aye. > >> > >> Renny > >> > >> ---

In texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem, " fallenangel101723 " > >> <fallenangel101723@fal>

wrote: > >> > > >> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> >> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in > >> >

Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this > >> editor > >>

> (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city > >> >

services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo > >> meaning >

>> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic > >> starting

> >> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash. > >> > > >> >

>>

[Guest guest]

I'm preparing for the swimsuit competition right now!

GG

>

> Gene,

>

> Maybe they got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were

> actually

> supposed to be the beauth queen.

>

>

>

>

>

> > Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that.

> >

> >

> >

> >BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows me

> >

> >demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to the

> >

> >picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty

> >

> >queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine.

> >

> >

> >

> >GG

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >

> >> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all about...

> >

> >>

> >

> >> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it

> >

> >> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.?

> These

> >

> >> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the

> Austin

> >

> >> data is correct.

> >

> >>

> >

> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

> >

> >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

> services....

> >

> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not

> >

> >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

> services....<wbr>

> >

> >> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety

> >

> >> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase

> as

> every

> >

> >> other function in the city so that these other services do not have to be

> cut

> >

> >> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

> >

> >> times...especially since

> >

> >>

> >

> >> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig into

> for

> >

> >> the deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be legislated

> >

> >> " essential service " we have to understand that every other interest group

> out

> >

> >> there feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it,

> most

> >

> >> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday

> (LEO's

> >

> >> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should all

> read

> >

> >> and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want

> >

> >>

> >

> >> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower

> or

> >

> >> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park,

> dive

> >

> >> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on how

> to

> >

> >> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many

> of

> >

> >> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...

> >

> >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many

> of you

> on

> >

> >> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>

> and

> >

> >> although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt

> >

> >> everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

> >

> >> municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and

> if

> Austin PD, FD

> >

> >> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get an Times

> are

> >

> >> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on

> this

> >

> >> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can support

> >

> >> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon where

> they

> >

> >> are and the level of work that they do.??

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Dudley

> >

> >>

> >

> >> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn,

> its

> >

> >> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36

> hours

> >

> >> of this thread....

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

> >

> >>

> >

> >> heres the link:

> >

> >> http://www.statesmahttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.stathttp://wwwhttp:/

> >

> >> olicepay_edit. oli

> >

> >>

> >

> >> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> >

> >> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> >

> >> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> >

> >> correctly for paramedics.

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> >

> >> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> >

> >> favor say Aye.

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Renny

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> >

> >> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> >

> >> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> >

> >> editor

> >

> >> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> >

> >> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> >

> >> meaning

> >

> >> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> >

> >> starting

> >

> >> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

[Guest guest]

I resemble that remark!

GG

>

>

> Gene, those of us who have seen your feet and legs in those crazy shorts and

> flip flops you were know YOU AIN'T NO BEAUTY QUEEN!!!!!! (Yes, I realize

> that was not grammatically correct but who you gonna call?) LOL

>

> Jane Dinsmore

>

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasems-l@: raaems605@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008

> 11:38:15 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting

> blasted again

>

> Gene, Maybe they got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were

> actually supposed to be the beauth queen. > Gee thanks, Dudley.

> I needed that. > > > >BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista

> Herald today. Shows me > >demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig

> trachea. Right next to the > >picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen

> Crowned. LOL. The beauty > >queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine. >

> >

> >GG > > > > >

> >> > >> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all

> about... > >> > >> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the

article.?

> For EMS, it > >> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a

> cap of $74K.? These > >> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so

> I imagine the Austin > >> data is correct. > >> > >> This op ed is not

> saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not > >> deserve it...it

is

> saying that the City has a multitude of other services.... > >> This op ed is

> not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do not > >> deserve

> it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other services....<wbr> >

>>

> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety > >>

> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase as

> every > >> other function in the city so that these other services do not have

to

> be cut > >> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid

> economic > >> times...especially since > >> > >> This op ed is a great lesson

> that we should all read and try to dig into for > >> the deeper

> issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be legislated & g t; >>

" essential service "

> we have to understand that every other interest group out > >> there feels

> they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, most > >> of us do

> not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday (LEO's > >> on

> here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read > >

> > and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want > >> >

> >> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower

> or > >> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a

> park, dive > >> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct

> research on how to > >> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS

List

> serve.... > >> > >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20

> years.? Many of > >> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS

> economic downturns... > >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last

10

> to 20 years.? Many of you on > >> this list have not lived through any

> SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>and > >> although Texas is feeling a

pinch...we

> are not feeling what is being felt > >> everywhere else around the

> country...still, the state, counties and > >> municipalities are going to be

faced with

> some very drastic changes and if Austin PD, FD > >> or EMS pushes for more

> money than the other city employees get an Times are > >> tougher than they

> have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on this > >> list have not

> lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns > >> > >> Again, NAY on paying

> everyone $80K across the state....but I can support > >> everyone across the

> state getting paid a livable salary based upon where they > >> are and the

level

> of work that they do.?? > >> > >> Dudley > >> > > & gt; PS: I didn't get on

> my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn, its > >> what you

> spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36 hours > >> of

this

> thread.... > >> > >> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again >

>>

> > >> heres the link: > >>

> http://www.statesmahttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.stathttp://wwwhttp:/ > >>

olicepay_edit. oli > >> > >> I agree somebody has

> gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is > >> probably where we should

> be paid statewide, but when I talked with > >> AEMS about a year ago

> paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall > >> correctly for paramedics.

> >> >

> >> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all > >>

> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in > >> favor

> say Aye. > >> > >> Renny > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Has

anyone

> seen the editorial in the Statesman today about > >> > the " outrageous " pay

> rates for public safety profresionals in > >> > Austin...Wow! It is in the

> insights section...sounds like this > >> editor > >> > (who didn't sign it)

might

> not be a big supporter of his city > >> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>

> she also did not do a great jo > >> meaning > >> > of maximum pay rates. I rea

> lly don't think the average Medic > >> starting > >> > out at AEMS is really

> making almost 80,000 a year in cash. > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of

> this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > >***************> >Get

> fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > >FanHouse Fantasy

> Football today. > > > >(

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>

[Guest guest]

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin.  I am

told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains.  here 5 years

ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98 to 2.20 a gallon. 

now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas. 

 

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries have gone

up in response.  If we do not ask for raises to keep up with inflation the

rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in oconomic status. 

 

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need 1 of

us.  then it is always what took you so long. 

 

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh lets say

nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start at $38,000 to

45,000.  (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.)  But if you compare

hourly pay EMS come up short every time.   

 

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the reason.

[Guest guest]

Of course! What else?

G

>

> Wearing a " speedo " , I assume!!!!

>

> Scary!

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm preparing for the swimsuit competition right now!

> >

> >

> >

> >GG

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Gene,

> >

> >>

> >

> >> Maybe they got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were

> >

> >> actually

> >

> >> supposed to be the beauth queen.

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >> > Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >BTW, I DID make the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows

> me

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to

> the

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >GG

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> NAY! from the " suit " who has forgotten what working EMS is all

> about...

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> I appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS,

> it

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of

> $74K.?

> >

> >> These

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> >> >

> >

> >> >> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so I imagine the

> >

> >> Austin

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> >> >

> >

> >> >> data is correct.

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> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do

> not

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

> >

> >> services....

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do

> not

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of other

> >

> >> services....<wbr>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> many of them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay

> increase

> >

> >> as

> >

> >> every

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> other function in the city so that these other services do not have to

> be

> >

> >> cut

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> even more...they are calling for balance during these trepid economic

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> times...especially since

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

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> >> >

> >

> >> >> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all read and try to dig

> into

> >

> >> for

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> the deeper issues...because if we ever want more pay, or to be

> legislated

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> " essential service " we have to understand that every other interest

> group

> >

> >> out

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> there feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face

> it,

> >

> >> most

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday

> >

> >> (LEO's

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson that we should

> all

> >

> >> read

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> and try to dig into for the deeper issues...because if we ever want

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> But I will bet that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or

> shower

> >

> >> or

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a

> park,

> >

> >> dive

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct research on

> how

> >

> >> to

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest issue on the EMS List serve....

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.?

> Many

> >

> >> of

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> you on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic

> downturns...

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.?

> Many

> >

> >> of you

> >

> >> on

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns...<wbr>

>

> >

> >> and

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> although Texas is feeling a pinch...we are not feeling what is being

> felt

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> everywhere else around the country...still, the state, counties and

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes

> and

> >

> >> if

> >

> >> Austin PD, FD

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> or EMS pushes for more money than the other city employees get an

> Times

> >

> >> are

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you

> on

> >

> >> this

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can

> support

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> everyone across the state getting paid a livable salary based upon

> where

> >

> >> they

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> are and the level of work that they do.??

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Dudley

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> PS: I didn't get on my soapbox this time about " its not what you earn,

> >

> >> its

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> what you spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to

> 36

> >

> >> hours

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> of this thread....

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> heres the link:

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> http://www.statesmahttp://www.http://www.stahttp://www.stathttp://wwwh

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> olicepay_edit. oli

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> I agree somebody has gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> probably where we should be paid statewide, but when I talked with

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> AEMS about a year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> correctly for paramedics.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Since the public already thinks we're paid so good I move that all

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> services raise the starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> favor say Aye.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> Renny

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

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> >> >

> >

> >> >>

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> >> >

> >

> >> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > Has anyone seen the editorial in the Statesman today about

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > the " outrageous " pay rates for public safety profresionals in

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > Austin...Wow! It is in the insights section...sounds like this

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> editor

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > (who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> meaning

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average Medic

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> starting

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> > out at AEMS is really making almost 80,000 a year in cash.

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >> >

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

> >

> >> >

> >

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Don't forget the aggravation of dealing with Longhorns. It is at least the same

for the folks in B/CS for putting up with Aggies

LNM

- Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin.  I am

told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains.  here 5 years

ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98 to 2.20 a gallon. 

now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas. 

 

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries have gone

up in response.  If we do not ask for raises to keep up with inflation the

rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in oconomic status. 

 

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need 1 of

us.  then it is always what took you so long. 

 

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh lets say

nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start at $38,000 to

45,000.  (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.)  But if you compare

hourly pay EMS come up short every time.   

 

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the reason.

[Guest guest]

Just got our minimum starting salary up to $46,592.00 for starting

paramedics. Add on a 3% cost of living increase on October 1, 2008 and

it becomes$47,989.76 by then. Keep plugging and scratching and you

never know.

Andy Foote

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin. 

I am told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains. 

here 5 years ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98

to 2.20 a gallon.  now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas. 

 

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries

have gone up in response.  If we do not ask for raises to keep up with

inflation the rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in

oconomic status. 

 

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need

1 of us.  then it is always what took you so long. 

 

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh

lets say nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start

at $38,000 to 45,000.  (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.) 

But if you compare hourly pay EMS come up short every time.  0

 

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the

reason.

[Guest guest]

Here's a paragraph from the webpage of the EMS service in Little Rock.

It all depends on " where you're at " .

SALARY: The starting salary range for a Paramedic is $24,264 to $25,720

depending on experience. $24,264 for a Paramedic with one year

experience, with an additional 3% given up to 3 years of experience, for

a maximum of 6%.

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of rachfoote@...

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:25 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

Just got our minimum starting salary up to $46,592.00 for starting

paramedics. Add on a 3% cost of living increase on October 1, 2008 and

it becomes$47,989.76 by then. Keep plugging and scratching and you

never know.

Andy Foote

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin.

I am told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains.

here 5 years ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98

to 2.20 a gallon. now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas.

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries

have gone up in response. If we do not ask for raises to keep up with

inflation the rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in

oconomic status.

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need

1 of us. then it is always what took you so long.

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh

lets say nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start

at $38,000 to 45,000. (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.)

But if you compare hourly pay EMS come up short every time. 0

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the

reason.

[Guest guest]

But ya gotta live in east Texas.

I'm in rare Yankee form today. Good thing for me I'm heading out of the US again

LNM

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin. 

I am told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains. 

here 5 years ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98

to 2.20 a gallon.  now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas. 

 

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries

have gone up in response.  If we do not ask for raises to keep up with

inflation the rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in

oconomic status. 

 

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need

1 of us.  then it is always what took you so long. 

 

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh

lets say nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start

at $38,000 to 45,000.  (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.) 

But if you compare hourly pay EMS come up short every time.  0

 

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the

reason.