Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:34 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

Here's a paragraph from the webpage of the EMS service in Little Rock.

It all depends on " where you're at " .

SALARY: The starting salary range for a Paramedic is $24,264 to $25,720

depending on experience. $24,264 for a Paramedic with one year

experience, with an additional 3% given up to 3 years of experience, for

a maximum of 6%.

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Behalf Of rachfoote@... <mailto:rachfoote%40aol.com>

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 3:25 PM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

Just got our minimum starting salary up to $46,592.00 for starting

paramedics. Add on a 3% cost of living increase on October 1, 2008 and

it becomes$47,989.76 by then. Keep plugging and scratching and you

never know.

Andy Foote

Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again

I don't know about how high even the essentials are getting in Austin.

I am told they are higher in Austin than they are in the South Plains.

here 5 years ago milk was $1.90 a gallon and gas was still around & 1.98

to 2.20 a gallon. now Milk is $4 a gallon and so is gas.

Gas prices have gone up, Minium wage has increased and even graceries

have gone up in response. If we do not ask for raises to keep up with

inflation the rising cost of living then we end up going backwards in

oconomic status.

And no most people don't think about EMS, FD, PD, or SO until they need

1 of us. then it is always what took you so long.

I figure pay is about right annually in my area when to compared to :oh

lets say nurses, LVN's start at about $33,000 to 38,000 and RN's start

at $38,000 to 45,000. (minus sign on and moving bonuses of course.)

But if you compare hourly pay EMS come up short every time. 0

Remember people will always fight tax increases no matter what the

reason.

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To: texasems-l@...: raaems605@...: Mon, 28 Jul 2008

17:20:11 -0400Subject: Re: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted

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Wearing a " speedo " , I assume!!!! Scary! > > > > > > I'm preparing for

the swimsuit competition right now! > > > >GG > >In a message dated 7/28/08

8:38:40 AM, raaems605@... writes: > > > >> > >> Gene, > >> > >> Maybe they

got the captions mixed up on the two pictures and you were > >> actually > >>

supposed to be the beauth queen. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

Gee thanks, Dudley. I needed that. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >BTW, I DID make

the front page of the Sierra Vista Herald today. Shows me > >> > > >>

>demonstrating how to do a needle crich on a pig trachea. Right next to the > >>

> > >> >picture of me is a big headline: Beauty Queen Crowned. LOL. The beauty >

>> > > >> >queen's picture is about 1/10 the size of mine. > >> > > >> > > >> >

> >> >GG > >> > > >> >In a message dated 7/27/08 2:41:07 PM, THEDUDMAN@...

writes: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> NAY! from the " suit " who has

forgotten what working EMS is all about... > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> I

appreciate the effort, but read the point of the article.? For EMS, it > >> > >

>> >> shows starting at $43.5K (probably during probation) with a cap of $74K.?

> >> These > >> > > >> >> numbers came from a study done by and for Austin...so

I imagine the > >> Austin > >> > > >> >> data is correct. > >> > > >> >> > >> >

> >> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or cut firefighters or that we do

not > >> > > >> >> deserve it...it is saying that the City has a multitude of

other > >> services.... > >> > > >> >> This op ed is not saying to cut pay or

cut firefighters or that we do not > >> > > >> >> deserve it...it is saying that

the City has a multitude of other > >> services....<wbr> > >> > > >> >> many of

them used more frequently and regularly than the public safety > >> > > >> >>

services...and it is time to keep Public Safety at the same pay increase > >> as

> >> every > >> > > >> >> other function in the city so that these other

services do not have to be > >> cut > >> > > >> >> even more...they are calling

for balance during these trepid economic > >> > > >> >> times...especially since

> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> This op ed is a great lesson that we should all

read and try to dig into > >> for > >> > > >> >> the deeper issues...because if

we ever want more pay, or to be legislated > >> > > >> >> " essential service " we

have to understand that every other interest group > >> out > >> > > >> >> there

feels they are as equally important as EMS or FD or PD.? Face it, > >> most > >>

> > >> >> of us do not interact with LEO's at our residence or business everyday

> >> (LEO's > >> > > >> >> on here not included)... This op ed is a great lesson

that we should all > >> read > >> > > >> >> and try to dig into for the deeper

issues...because if we ever want > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> But I will bet

that many of us drink water from the tap daily (or shower > >> or > >> > > >> >>

flush with it), drive on paved roads daily, walk or run through a park, > >>

dive > >> > > >> >> into a city pool, or walk into a city library to conduct

research on how > >> to > >> > > >> >> prove Gene Gandy wrong on his latest

issue on the EMS List serve.... > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Times are tougher

than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many > >> of > >> > > >> >> you

on this list have not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns... > >> > >

>> >> Times are tougher than they have been in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many >

>> of you > >> on > >> > > >> >> this list have not lived through any SERIOUS

economic downturns...<wbr> > >> and > >> > > >> >> although Texas is feeling a

pinch...we are not feeling what is being felt > >> > > >> >> everywhere else

around the country...still, the state, counties and > >> > > >> >>

municipalities are going to be faced with some very drastic changes and > >> if

> >> Austin PD, FD > >> > > >> >> or EMS pushes for more money than the other

city employees get an Times > >> are > >> > > >> >> tougher than they have been

in the last 10 to 20 years.? Many of you on > >> this > >> > > >> >> list have

not lived through any SERIOUS economic downturns > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >>

Again, NAY on paying everyone $80K across the state....but I can support > >> >

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> >> they > >> > > >> >> are and the level of work that they do.?? > >> > > >>

>> > >> > > >> >> Dudley > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> PS: I didn't get on my

soapbox this time about " its not what you earn, > >> its > >> > > >> >> what you

spend " ...but I suspect that will be coming in the next 24 to 36 > >> hours > >>

> > >> >> of this thread.... > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> -----Original

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texasems-l@yahoogro To: tex > >> > > >> >> Sent: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 3:31 pm > >> >

> >> >> Subject: Re: Austin EMS/Fire/PD getting blasted again > >>

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http://www.statesmahttp://www.http://wwhttp://www.stathttp://wwwhttp:/ > >> > >

>> >> olicepay_edit. oli > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> I agree somebody has

gotten the wrong data some where. Now $80000 is > >> > > >> >> probably where we

should be paid statewide, but when I talked with > >> > > >> >> AEMS about a

year ago paramedics were about $47000 a year if I recall > >> > > >> >>

correctly for paramedics. > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Since the public already

thinks we're paid so good I move that all > >> > > >> >> services raise the

starting wage for paramedics to $80000. All in > >> > > >> >> favor say Aye. >

>> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Renny > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > Has anyone seen

the editorial in the Statesman today about > >> > > >> >> > the " outrageous " pay

rates for public safety profresionals in > >> > > >> >> > Austin...Wow! It is in

the insights section...sounds like this > >> > > >> >> editor > >> > > >> >> >

(who didn't sign it) might not be a big supporter of his city > >> > > >> >> >

services...He/ services...He/<wbr>she also did not do a great jo > >> > > >> >>

meaning > >> > > >> >> > of maximum pay rates. I really don't think the average

Medic > >> > > >> >> starting > >> > > >> >> > out at AEMS is really making

almost 80,000 a year in cash. > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >>