low oxalate diet question

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So my son's DAN doctor suggested my son go off of corn and rice because of his yeast issues, so I replaced these with almonds and other nuts, nut butters and other stuff. My son in the past week went insane. Rubbing himself on everything and poking his eyes. Toe walking, hand flapping, the whole shabang! Well i think it's oxalates and now I am reducing all of his oxalates and adding back in rice. Is there something I can do to to reduce his oxalates faster than just a huge diet change?

Thanks,

Judy

PS Will Alinia help? He chews on everything and I am sure he has parasites,

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Judy - that DEFINITELY sounds like oxalates. Most people ease off high ox foods -slowly eliminating one or two at a time. I know "dumps" can make you feel miserable. achey, cranky, flu-ish. Magnesium and b6 help. Maybe Toni can chime in....-TammyTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:52 PMSubject: low oxalate diet question

So my son's DAN doctor suggested my son go off of corn and rice because of his yeast issues, so I replaced these with almonds and other nuts, nut butters and other stuff. My son in the past week went insane. Rubbing himself on everything and poking his eyes. Toe walking, hand flapping, the whole shabang! Well i think it's oxalates and now I am reducing all of his oxalates and adding back in rice. Is there something I can do to to reduce his oxalates faster than just a huge diet change?

Thanks,

Judy

PS Will Alinia help? He chews on everything and I am sure he has parasites,

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You can take calcium when you eat the high oxalate foods and that will kind of neutralize things.We try to eat just meat and veggies and berries to manage yeast and sugar highs as well and head fog.It reactions could also be die off from the yeast.Virginia 341-22nd Street West Owen Sound ON N4K 4E9Subject: low oxalate diet questionTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2011, 2:52 PM

So my son's DAN doctor suggested my son go off of corn and rice because of his yeast issues, so I replaced these with almonds and other nuts, nut butters and other stuff. My son in the past week went insane. Rubbing himself on everything and poking his eyes. Toe walking, hand flapping, the whole shabang! Well i think it's oxalates and now I am reducing all of his oxalates and adding back in rice. Is there something I can do to to reduce his oxalates faster than just a huge diet change?

Thanks,

Judy

PS Will Alinia help? He chews on everything and I am sure he has parasites,

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Judy, good on you momma for seeing the oxalate signs. Please reduce slowly b/c the detox from oxalate is hard. The recommendation of calcium supplementation is a good one... if ca is not tolerated, you can use magnesium.

While oxalate is " dumping, " it carries lots of minerals away. So look for signs of zinc deficiency as well.This is something I just posted:My son is doing fabulously on B6 and magnesium and quite a few other things.

This is what I give him in the am:digest spectrum 1-2 capsmagnesium 200mgb6 250mgp5p 50mg

r5p 100mg(Big changes with the above)coq10 plus l-carnitine ~ 75mg/750mgbiotin 5mgl-carnosine 500mgmolybdenum 67mcgopti-zinc 7.5mgselenium 100mcgNADH 10mgGABA 750mgTheanine Serene 1 tablet

Also with these he gets

1/2 sudafed (regular old psuedophedrine)1/2 zyrtec (generic)quercetin 300 (combo product, I think it has some vit c in it, a small amt)two types of Kyolic, one capsule of each (candida fighter and immune support, also has a tiny amt of vit c)

I usually give him folinic and mb12 after school because they b12 causes him to mouth things.

 

Judy - that DEFINITELY sounds like oxalates.  Most people ease off high ox foods -slowly eliminating one or two at a time.  I know " dumps " can make you feel miserable.  achey, cranky, flu-ish.  Magnesium and b6 help.  Maybe Toni can chime in....

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 2:52 PMSubject: low oxalate diet question

 

So my son's DAN doctor suggested my son go off of corn and rice because of his yeast issues, so I replaced these with almonds and other nuts, nut butters and other stuff. My son in the past week went insane. Rubbing himself on everything and poking his eyes. Toe walking, hand flapping, the whole shabang! Well i think it's oxalates and now I am reducing all of his oxalates and adding back in rice. Is there something I can do to to reduce his oxalates faster than just a huge diet change?

Thanks,

Judy

PS Will Alinia help? He chews on everything and I am sure he has parasites,

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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Virginia,

If you DON'T have a leaky gut, the calcium might keep you from absorbing some of

the oxalate by the time it gets to your colon, but if you do have a leaky gut,

there are no guarantees there. The rates of absorption with a leaky gut can be

as high as 50%.

Also important is the amount of fat in the meal and how good is your fat

digestion (and pancreatic function).

If fat makes it intact all the way to the colon, it can tie up the calcium in

the meal (forming a soap, actually), and this keeps the oxalate in the diet from

binding the calcium that would limit oxalate absorption. This could be an issue

with the added fats in the GAPS diet.

This situation has been noticed the most in celiac disease, where untreated

celiac comes with maldigestion and problems in pancreatic function. They know

that in this situation a high percentage of the oxalate eaten will be absorbed.

By the way, have you read our new study now published in the European Journal of

Pediatric Neurology? I've put the abstract below.

The results showed that compared to healthy controls, only one child out of 36

children with autism had urine and plasma oxalate that fell within the same

range on the graph as any healthy controls, and it was just on the edge of

barely overlapping. The other children with autism were far scattered from

where the controls were. In fact, many of the children had oxalate so elevated

in either or both places that it was as bad as some forms of primary (genetic)

hyperoxaluria where oxalate that is produced in the liver is known to get all

over the body causing organ damage. These were in children that didn't have

bowel inflammation, urinary risks, special diets, or epilepsy....all conditions

that may elevate oxalate even more, but the study didn't test them.

One of the studies of primary hyperoxaluria found that people with that genetic

condition had lowered urine calcium quite similar to what we found in children

with autism, but they attributed that change to the oxalate (somewhere else in

the body besides in urine) binding up the calcium before it got to the bladder

to keep it from being excreted. This issue is primarily what was understood to

explain the reduced chances of someone with autism getting kidney stones,

because even though oxalate was quite high, there wasn't enough calcium in the

urine to crystalize. What that may mean is that when you do see crystals in the

urine in autism, the oxalate level in that urine may be quite a bit higher than

it would be when oxalate formed crystals in a " control " child.

Make sense?

We've had a lot of people talk about eyes hurting and kids wanting to poke at

their eyes that are in pain when oxalate is high. Studies in people with HIV

found that on autopsy, about 15% of eyeballs had oxalate inside them, but this

had not been noticed while the patients were alive. (abstract below) So we

know it goes there.

If you think there is any chance your child might have fat maldigestion, there

is a test you can order yourself on this from a company in Dallas called

Enterolabs, and you don't have to have a doctor's order but can arrange the test

on the net.

Eur J Paediatr Neurol. 2011 Sep 10. [Epub ahead of print]

A potential pathogenic role of oxalate in autism.

Konstantynowicz J, Porowski T, Zoch-Zwierz W, Wasilewska J, Kadziela-Olech H,

Kulak W, Owens SC, Piotrowska-Jastrzebska J, Kaczmarski M.

Source

Department of Pediatrics and Developmental Disorders, Medical University of

Bialystok, Poland.

Abstract

BACKGROUND:

Although autistic spectrum disorders (ASD) are a strongly genetic condition

certain metabolic disturbances may contribute to clinical features. Metabolism

of oxalate in children with ASD has not yet been studied.

AIM:

The objective was to determine oxalate levels in plasma and urine in autistic

children in relation to other urinary parameters.

METHOD:

In this cross-sectional study, plasma oxalate (using enzymatic method with

oxalate oxidase) and spontaneous urinary calcium oxalate (CaOx) crystallization

(based on the Bonn-Risk-Index, BRI) were determined in 36 children and

adolescents with ASD (26 boys, 10 girls) aged 2-18 years and compared with 60

healthy non-autistic children matched by age, gender and anthropometric traits.

RESULTS:

Children with ASD demonstrated 3-fold greater plasma oxalate levels [5.60

(5th-95th percentile: 3.47-7.51)] compared with reference [(1.84 (5th-95th

percentile: 0.50-4.70) & #956;mol/L (p < 0.05)] and 2.5-fold greater urinary

oxalate concentrations (p < 0.05). No differences between the two groups were

found in urinary pH, citraturia, calciuria or adjusted CaOx crystallization

rates based on BRI. Despite significant hyperoxaluria no evidence of kidney

stone disease or lithogenic risk was observed in these individuals.

CONCLUSIONS:

Hyperoxalemia and hyperoxaluria may be involved in the pathogenesis of ASD in

children. Whether this is a result of impaired renal excretion or an extensive

intestinal absorption, or both, or whether Ox may cross the blood brain barrier

and disturb CNS function in the autistic children remains unclear. This appears

to be the first report of plasma and urinary oxalate in childhood autism.

Copyright © 2011 European Paediatric Neurology Society. Published by Elsevier

Ltd. All rights reserved.

PMID:

21911305

[PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Br J Ophthalmol. 2000 Nov;84(11):1275-81.

Postmortem histological survey of the ocular lesions in a British population of

AIDS patients.

Pecorella I, Ciardi A, Garner A, McCartney AC, Lucas S.

Source

Institute of Ophthalmology, Department of Pathology, Bath Street, London EC1V

9EL, UK. irenepecorella@...

Abstract

AIMS:

To study ocular pathology and systemic correlations in a series of 73 postmortem

eyes from British patients who died from AIDS before the introduction of a HAART

regimen.

METHODS:

The eyes were studied with conventional histology, special histochemical

stainings, and immunohistochemistry.

RESULTS:

72.6% of the cases showed chronic uveal inflammation, caused by opportunistic

agents in 37.7% of them (cytomegalovirus (CMV) in 30.1%, C neoformans in 5.6%,

and Gram positive bacteria in 1.8%). Cytoid bodies were noted in 10/73 eyes,

three linked to CMV retinitis. Six retinal haemorrhages, four of which were

secondary to CMV, were found. 14 specimens (19. 1%) showed foci of

calcification, and a further 11 (15%) calcium oxalate deposits. In no cases were

the calcific deposits suspected clinically. Six eyes (8.2%) did not show any

abnormality.

CONCLUSIONS:

CMV retinitis is the most common (28.7%, 21/73) ocular infection in this series

and may occur either during or in the absence of systemic dissemination.

Conversely, ocular cryptococcosis appears to be an epiphenomenon of systemic and

CNS disease. No other opportunistic ocular infections were present in this

series. Interesting findings were the presence of intraocular precipitates of

calcium oxalate and calcium phosphate or carbonate in a significant number of

cases (15% and 19%, respectively), and the high prevalence of idiopathic uveal

inflammation (43.8%).

PMID:

11049954

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> So my son's DAN doctor suggested my son go off of corn and rice because

of his yeast issues, so I replaced these with almonds and other nuts, nut

butters and other stuff. My son in the past week went insane. Rubbing himself on

everything and poking his eyes. Toe walking, hand flapping, the whole shabang!

Well i think it's oxalates and now I am reducing all of his oxalates and adding

back in rice. Is there something I can do to to reduce his oxalates faster than

just a huge diet change?

> Thanks,

> Judy

> PS Will Alinia help? He chews on everything and I am sure he has parasites,

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