Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? Thanks Setzer EMT-B Setzer EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Yes, you can. If you take a complete EMT-P course you learn all of the EMT-I knowledge and skills. Tim He who heeds discipline shows the way to life, but whoever ignores correction leads others astray. Proverbs 10:17 From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Setzer Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:48 PM To: yahoo ems groups Subject: EMT step latter I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? Thanks Setzer EMT-B Setzer EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Yes, depending on the program. Some programs " build in " the EMT-I as a part of the Paramedic program, which gives the student the opportunity to either stop at the EMT-I level or test out at the EMT-I level while continuing on through the Paramedic program. Since some employers pay more for an EMT-I it gives some working students a little help in improving income while continuing through the Paramedic program. However, some programs do not offer the EMT-I step, so you would have to talk to the program coordinator of the program you're thinking of attending. If you're thinking of an online program, both PERCOM and TechPro offer the EMT-I step option. Gene G. > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 But before you make the move, you may want to visit the local Dictionary and grammar books and realize the strait is straight and that latter is ladder. I know the flames are coming, but spelling errors in basic language is why we end up with patient safety issues and charges of unprofessionalism. Drugs like Cerebyx/Celebrex. are one example, but what happens when we mix up Atropine and Adenosine.they're both A drugs which 'do something to the heart.' Respectfully, Miss Setzer before you embark upon paramedic school and the school gladly takes your dollars please consider some basic skills assessment first. The HOBET (Health Occupations Basic Entrance Test, I believe) is a tool we used at Washington University to assess where students were before the entered the class. This wasn't a tool for discrimination, but rather an assessment of here you are and based on a university paramedic curriculum, here's where you need to be. It doesn't mean you can't take the program, but you should know going in what your weaknesses are prior to starting a project such as that. Further, Werfel, paramedic program director for the University Medical Center at State University of New York - Stony Brook, did a small study in which he could correlate success on the HOBET to success on NREMT examinations. Again, it is just my opinion, but the HOBET may be the way to go. HOBET link (http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Werfel/HOBET_Success_Indi cator_on_the_NREMT.html) S. Suprun Jr. Director of Education Consurgo, LLC <http://www.consurgo.org> Prepare * Respond * Overcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Well, you don't really skip anything. But if you take a full EMT-P course, it includes the material, knowledge, and skills of both EMT-I and EMT-P. So you just do it all at once. Setzer wrote: > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 Also don't forget that the ladder is not the same in all states. Texas has 5 steps ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, EMT-P and LP (could be arguable if that's a true step) where as other states have more or less. NJ only has EMT-B and EMT-P etc. Once you get you NREMT P card you are pretty much at the maximum of certification. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan - Re: EMT step latter Well, you don't really skip anything. But if you take a full EMT-P course, it includes the material, knowledge, and skills of both EMT-I and EMT-P. So you just do it all at once. Setzer wrote: > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 I would wholeheartedly echo and endorse 's suggestions.? I hope that your enthusiasm for EMS will provide you the incentive and motivation to further all of your education, not just technical EMS skills. -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, LP -Attorney/Licensed Paramedic -Austin, Texas Re:EMT step latter But before you make the move, you may want to visit the local Dictionary and grammar books and realize the strait is straight and that latter is ladder. I know the flames are coming, but spelling errors in basic language is why we end up with patient safety issues and charges of unprofessionalism. Drugs like Cerebyx/Celebrex. are one example, but what happens when we mix up Atropine and Adenosine.they're both A drugs which 'do something to the heart.' Respectfully, Miss Setzer before you embark upon paramedic school and the school gladly takes your dollars please consider some basic skills assessment first. The HOBET (Health Occupations Basic Entrance Test, I believe) is a tool we used at Washington University to assess where students were before the entered the class. This wasn't a tool for discrimination, but rather an assessment of here you are and based on a university paramedic curriculum, here's where you need to be. It doesn't mean you can't take the program, but you should know going in what your weaknesses are prior to starting a project such as that. Further, Werfel, paramedic program director for the University Medical Center at State University of New York - Stony Brook, did a small study in which he could correlate success on the HOBET to success on NREMT examinations. Again, it is just my opinion, but the HOBET may be the way to go. HOBET link (http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Werfel/HOBET_Success_Indi cator_on_the_NREMT.html) S. Suprun Jr. Director of Education Consurgo, LLC <http://www.consurgo.org> Prepare * Respond * Overcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 ,  As it has been stated already, some courses do incorporate EMT-I into their EMT-P programs. However, my advice to you would be, that while it is admirable for you to wish to continue on to the Paramedic level, get some street experience first. You have just within the past couple of months become both Nationally Registered and Sate certified as an EMT-B. Getting some experience under your belt will benefit you in the long run when you decide to back for your Paramedic certification. Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows what's going on? Subject: EMT step latter To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? Thanks Setzer EMT-B Setzer EMT-B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I join Renny in recommending that you go on to Paramedic school now. The programs I have been involved with have always provided for " straight through " education and training, and they have uniformly shown that high quality paramedics can be graduated without interim street practice. In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a period of time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits that I then have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do things first. Now, one qualification. All the programs I have been associated with have had EXTENSIVE student internship during the course---hundreds of hours. If one is going to a program that requires MINIMUM internships, then I might agree that some street experience is helpful, but all in all, I feel you will be a better medic in the long run if you continue your education straight through without interruptions. It is good to work at least part-time as an EMT during your paramedic course, but I do not agree with those who recommend taking a year or two off between the basic and Paramedic courses. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school > immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a > basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the > education to do more good for your patients by going on to > Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and > currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a > Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better. > > To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic > program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around > patients while at the same time you would be getting the education > needed to help those in greatest need. > > No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a > little education and work at that level. Then get a little more > education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So > why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our > education? > > So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic. > > Renny Spencer > EMT-I > Paramedic student > > > > > > From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ems> > > Subject: EMT step latter > > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem> > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to > EMT-P? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > > Setzer EMT-B > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the education to do more good for your patients by going on to Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better. To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around patients while at the same time you would be getting the education needed to help those in greatest need. No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a little education and work at that level. Then get a little more education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our education? So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic. Renny Spencer EMT-I Paramedic student > > > Subject: EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l > > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 I disagree... You can not be a good Paramedic unless you are a good Basic. You need to get experience and perfect your basic EMT skills before worrying about paramedic skills. Your understanding of all the advanced procedures, meds, ect will be a lot better if you do. Allowing people to go straight from A to Z without a break should not be allowed. I have seen many Paramedics do more harm than good because they are thrown into a situation with no EMS experience other that rotations, and being completly overwhelmed.  Just my take Subject: Re: EMT step latter To: texasems-l Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:14 PM Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the education to do more good for your patients by going on to Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better. To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around patients while at the same time you would be getting the education needed to help those in greatest need. No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a little education and work at that level. Then get a little more education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our education? So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic. Renny Spencer EMT-I Paramedic student > > From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ ...> > Subject: EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 We did a study in Arkansas and I can assure you it would be the same here. The issue was " how do experienced EMT's do on the NREMT-P test vs students who go straight thru from EMT school " . The newbies won hands down. The younger the student the better they score (as a group). So experience is not important in absorbing the information and showing it on a test. Bottom line...go straight thru to Paramedic school...then hope to get hooked up with an experienced EMT who is good enough and smart enough to show you how it is in the streets. EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Texas used to do it that way you had to practice as an EMT Basic for 6 months before you could sign up for emt-i then practice emti a year before paramedic Dusty Roades From: spenair <spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> Subject: Re: EMT step latter To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:14 PM Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the education to do more good for your patients by going on to Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better. To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around patients while at the same time you would be getting the education needed to help those in greatest need. No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a little education and work at that level. Then get a little more education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our education? So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic. Renny Spencer EMT-I Paramedic student > > From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ ...> > Subject: EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@ yahoogro ups.com> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 >>In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a period of time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits that I then have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do things first.<< AMEN, Mr. Gandy. Experience is only valuable if it's GOOD experience. Unfortunately, there's a lot more bad experience than good experience available out there. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Kenny maybe you proved a test is meaningless? EMS is a set of KSA's as in Knowledge, Skills and Abilities. The K is but one part and not always a third of the equation as that shifts with each call and patient. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 The State of NJ use to require a year as an EMT-B but a year in say Cumberland County is a month in Camden City hence they dropped the requirement as abitarry. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T EMT step latter > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@ yahoogro ups.com> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM > > > > > > > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P? > > Thanks > > > Setzer EMT-B > > Setzer EMT-B > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2008 Report Share Posted August 6, 2008 Experience is a great teacher but the tuition is very expensive. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan - Re: Re: EMT step latter >>In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a period of time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits that I then have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do things first.<< AMEN, Mr. Gandy. Experience is only valuable if it's GOOD experience. Unfortunately, there's a lot more bad experience than good experience available out there. -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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