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Yes, you can. If you take a complete EMT-P course you learn all of the

EMT-I knowledge and skills.

Tim

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correction leads others astray. Proverbs 10:17

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

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Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:48 PM

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Subject: EMT step latter

I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P?

Thanks

Setzer EMT-B

Setzer EMT-B

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Yes, depending on the program. Some programs " build in " the EMT-I as a part

of the Paramedic program, which gives the student the opportunity to either

stop at the EMT-I level or test out at the EMT-I level while continuing on

through the Paramedic program.

Since some employers pay more for an EMT-I it gives some working students a

little help in improving income while continuing through the Paramedic program.

However, some programs do not offer the EMT-I step, so you would have to talk

to the program coordinator of the program you're thinking of attending.

If you're thinking of an online program, both PERCOM and TechPro offer the

EMT-I step option.

Gene G.

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P?

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But before you make the move, you may want to visit the local Dictionary

and grammar books and realize the strait is straight and that latter is

ladder.

I know the flames are coming, but spelling errors in basic language is

why we end up with patient safety issues and charges of

unprofessionalism. Drugs like Cerebyx/Celebrex. are one example, but

what happens when we mix up Atropine and Adenosine.they're both A drugs

which 'do something to the heart.'

Respectfully, Miss Setzer before you embark upon paramedic school and

the school gladly takes your dollars please consider some basic skills

assessment first. The HOBET (Health Occupations Basic Entrance Test, I

believe) is a tool we used at Washington University to assess

where students were before the entered the class. This wasn't a tool

for discrimination, but rather an assessment of here you are and based

on a university paramedic curriculum, here's where you need to be. It

doesn't mean you can't take the program, but you should know going in

what your weaknesses are prior to starting a project such as that.

Further, Werfel, paramedic program director for the University

Medical Center at State University of New York - Stony Brook, did a

small study in which he could correlate success on the HOBET to success

on NREMT examinations. Again, it is just my opinion, but the HOBET may

be the way to go.

HOBET link

(http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Werfel/HOBET_Success_Indi

cator_on_the_NREMT.html)

S. Suprun Jr.

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Consurgo, LLC <http://www.consurgo.org>

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Well, you don't really skip anything. But if you take a full EMT-P

course, it includes the material, knowledge, and skills of both EMT-I

and EMT-P. So you just do it all at once.

Setzer wrote:

> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P?

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> Thanks

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Also don't forget that the ladder is not the same in all states. Texas has 5

steps ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, EMT-P and LP (could be arguable if that's a true step)

where as other states have more or less. NJ only has EMT-B and EMT-P etc. Once

you get you NREMT P card you are pretty much at the maximum of certification.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

- Re: EMT step latter

Well, you don't really skip anything. But if you take a full EMT-P

course, it includes the material, knowledge, and skills of both EMT-I

and EMT-P. So you just do it all at once.

Setzer wrote:

> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

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> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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I would wholeheartedly echo and endorse 's suggestions.? I hope that

your enthusiasm for EMS will provide you the incentive and motivation to further

all of your education, not just technical EMS skills.

-Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, LP

-Attorney/Licensed Paramedic

-Austin, Texas

Re:EMT step latter

But before you make the move, you may want to visit the local Dictionary

and grammar books and realize the strait is straight and that latter is

ladder.

I know the flames are coming, but spelling errors in basic language is

why we end up with patient safety issues and charges of

unprofessionalism. Drugs like Cerebyx/Celebrex. are one example, but

what happens when we mix up Atropine and Adenosine.they're both A drugs

which 'do something to the heart.'

Respectfully, Miss Setzer before you embark upon paramedic school and

the school gladly takes your dollars please consider some basic skills

assessment first. The HOBET (Health Occupations Basic Entrance Test, I

believe) is a tool we used at Washington University to assess

where students were before the entered the class. This wasn't a tool

for discrimination, but rather an assessment of here you are and based

on a university paramedic curriculum, here's where you need to be. It

doesn't mean you can't take the program, but you should know going in

what your weaknesses are prior to starting a project such as that.

Further, Werfel, paramedic program director for the University

Medical Center at State University of New York - Stony Brook, did a

small study in which he could correlate success on the HOBET to success

on NREMT examinations. Again, it is just my opinion, but the HOBET may

be the way to go.

HOBET link

(http://www.jems.com/news_and_articles/columns/Werfel/HOBET_Success_Indi

cator_on_the_NREMT.html)

S. Suprun Jr.

Director of Education

Consurgo, LLC <http://www.consurgo.org>

Prepare * Respond * Overcome

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As it has been stated already, some courses do incorporate EMT-I into their

EMT-P programs. However, my advice to you would be, that while it is admirable

for you to wish to continue on to the Paramedic level, get some

street experience first. You have just within the past couple of months become

both Nationally Registered and Sate certified as an EMT-B. Getting some

experience under your belt will benefit you in the long run when you decide to

back for your Paramedic certification.

Do you want to talk to the Paramedic in charge or the EMT who knows what's going

on?

Subject: EMT step latter

To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l >

Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to EMT-P?

Thanks

Setzer EMT-B

Setzer EMT-B

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I join Renny in recommending that you go on to Paramedic school now. The

programs I have been involved with have always provided for " straight through "

education and training, and they have uniformly shown that high quality

paramedics can be graduated without interim street practice.

In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a period of

time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits that I then

have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do things

first.

Now, one qualification. All the programs I have been associated with have

had EXTENSIVE student internship during the course---hundreds of hours.

If one is going to a program that requires MINIMUM internships, then I might

agree that some street experience is helpful, but all in all, I feel you will

be a better medic in the long run if you continue your education straight

through without interruptions.

It is good to work at least part-time as an EMT during your paramedic course,

but I do not agree with those who recommend taking a year or two off between

the basic and Paramedic courses.

Gene Gandy, JD, LP

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> Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school

> immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a

> basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the

> education to do more good for your patients by going on to

> Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and

> currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a

> Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better.

>

> To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic

> program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around

> patients while at the same time you would be getting the education

> needed to help those in greatest need.

>

> No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a

> little education and work at that level. Then get a little more

> education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So

> why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our

> education?

>

> So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic.

>

> Renny Spencer

> EMT-I

> Paramedic student

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> > From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ems>

> > Subject: EMT step latter

> > To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem>

> > Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> > I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

> EMT-P?

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> > Thanks

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> > Setzer EMT-B

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> > Setzer EMT-B

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Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school

immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a

basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the

education to do more good for your patients by going on to

Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and

currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a

Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better.

To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic

program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around

patients while at the same time you would be getting the education

needed to help those in greatest need.

No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a

little education and work at that level. Then get a little more

education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So

why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our

education?

So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic student

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> Subject: EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l >

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

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> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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I disagree... You can not be a good Paramedic unless you are a good Basic. You

need to get experience and perfect your basic EMT skills before worrying about

paramedic skills. Your understanding of all the advanced procedures, meds, ect

will be a lot better if you do. Allowing people to go straight from A to Z

without a break should not be allowed. I have seen many Paramedics do more harm

than good because they are thrown into a situation with no EMS experience other

that rotations, and being completly overwhelmed.

 

Just my take

Subject: Re: EMT step latter

To: texasems-l

Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:14 PM

Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school

immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a

basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the

education to do more good for your patients by going on to

Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and

currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a

Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better.

To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic

program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around

patients while at the same time you would be getting the education

needed to help those in greatest need.

No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a

little education and work at that level. Then get a little more

education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So

why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our

education?

So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic student

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> From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ ...>

> Subject: EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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We did a study in Arkansas and I can assure you it would be the same here. The

issue was " how do experienced EMT's do on the NREMT-P test vs students who go

straight thru from EMT school " . The newbies won hands down. The younger the

student the better they score (as a group). So experience is not important in

absorbing the information and showing it on a test. Bottom line...go straight

thru to Paramedic school...then hope to get hooked up with an experienced EMT

who is good enough and smart enough to show you how it is in the streets.

EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

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> Thanks

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> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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Texas used to do it that way you had to practice as an EMT Basic for 6 months

before you could sign up for emt-i then practice emti a year before paramedic

Dusty Roades

From: spenair <spenair (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: EMT step latter

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 5:14 PM

Now for a different opinion. I suggest you go on to Paramedic school

immediatly. Yes there are some benefits from the experience as a

basic but not enough to warrant a delay. IMHO you will get the

education to do more good for your patients by going on to

Paramedic. I have spent many years in EMS as an ECA, then EMT-B, and

currently EMT-I. There have been so many times that if I had been a

Paramedic patient outcomes would have been much better.

To gain experience why not work as a basic while in your Paramedic

program. This would allow you to get comfortable being around

patients while at the same time you would be getting the education

needed to help those in greatest need.

No other medical field I know of requires you to stop after getting a

little education and work at that level. Then get a little more

education, stop, work. Then get a little more, stop, work. Etc. So

why should we think that it is best for our profession to stop our

education?

So the short form, I wish I had gone straight to Paramedic.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic student

>

> From: Setzer <emsgirl1978@ ...>

> Subject: EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@ yahoogro ups.com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

>

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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>>In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a

period of time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits

that I then

have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do

things first.<<

AMEN, Mr. Gandy. Experience is only valuable if it's GOOD experience.

Unfortunately, there's a lot more bad experience than good experience

available out there.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P

www.kellygrayson.com

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Kenny maybe you proved a test is meaningless?

EMS is a set of KSA's as in Knowledge, Skills and Abilities. The K is but one

part and not always a third of the equation as that shifts with each call and

patient.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

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EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

>

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> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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The State of NJ use to require a year as an EMT-B but a year in say Cumberland

County is a month in Camden City hence they dropped the requirement as abitarry.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

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EMT step latter

> To: " yahoo ems groups " <texasems-l@ yahoogro ups.com>

> Date: Monday, August 4, 2008, 4:47 PM

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> I was wondering if I can skip the step of EMT-I and go strait to

EMT-P?

>

> Thanks

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> Setzer EMT-B

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> Setzer EMT-B

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Experience is a great teacher but the tuition is very expensive.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

- Re: Re: EMT step latter

>>In fact, as an instructor, I had rather my students NOT work for a

period of time between courses, since they invariably pick up bad habits

that I then

have to correct. I had much rather they learn the correct ways to do

things first.<<

AMEN, Mr. Gandy. Experience is only valuable if it's GOOD experience.

Unfortunately, there's a lot more bad experience than good experience

available out there.

--

Grayson, CCEMT-P

www.kellygrayson.com

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