Guest guest Posted May 16, 2002 Report Share Posted May 16, 2002 > So what do I do about it? Take bile acids with every meal for the > rest of my life? I get indigestion often, I think because of this > problem. Somebody told me that you might be able to help me with your > advice. Can you? I certainly hope so. Thanks! Hi, Have you tried digestive enzymes with bile? They should help a lot. One or two after meals is usually enough. I read on Dr. Mercloa's site that once the gall bladder is gone, bile acids will be necessary with every meal or somr prople say at least with fatty meals. Some people do not have to take them when they eat only fruits or salads with fat free dressings. Of course we NT followers believe in eating good fats and would advise you to do the same. It is worth the bother, because the indigestion will disappear and you will be getting the nutrients out of every meal. That is the positive side of this situation. You might be wise to check out taking HCL too. Often there is not enough acid in the stomachs of people who have digestive problems, whether there is a gall bladder or not. All my best, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 At 09:49 PM 5/16/2002 +0000, you wrote: >So what do I do about it? Take bile acids with every meal for the >rest of my life? I get indigestion often, I think because of this >problem. Somebody told me that you might be able to help me with your >advice. Can you? I certainly hope so. Thanks! I have a gall bladder, but I used to have a lot of problems digesting fats. You might try using coconut oil instead of other oils -- it is MUCH easier to digest. Has lots of other good properties too. Also, I find that eating fermented (lactofermented) pickles with each meal really jumpstarts the digestion. If I don't eat them with a meal I can feel it sitting there waiting to digest! I like kimchi, which is easy to make and I can buy it at the store when needed, but there are lot of recipes in Nurturing Traditions. Bubbies Kosher Dills seem pretty good too. There are lots of enzymes, acids, and probiotics in those kind of pickles. Failing that, eating something " live " (like a salad, an apple) with each meal helps too. Or something with ginger (chew a piece of ginger, cook with ginger, real ginger ale). I'm sure you'll get lots of other good advice too! Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 So what do I do about it? Take bile acids with every meal for the rest of my life? I get indigestion often, I think because of this problem. Somebody told me that you might be able to help me with your advice. Can you? I certainly hope so. Thanks! *********I've heard of people who have had their gallbladders removed doing many liver/gallbladder flushes (after the removal) and their gallbladders started to grow back. I trust the person who knew these people but have no first hand evidence of it. For sure though, if your gallbladder was bad enough to have to be removed, you can bet that your liver isn't up to par either and could use some help. It seems that if your liver were functioning great it would be able to secrete the bile your body needs (at least for ingesting small meals). BTW, I think the gallbladders that grew back were very small and I don't know if they were functional or not. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 Heidi-- this might be the placebo effect...as far as I know Bubbies pickles and sauerkraut are pasteurized. Bubbies Kosher Dills seem pretty good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 At 11:29 AM 5/17/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Heidi-- > >this might be the placebo effect...as far as I know Bubbies pickles and >sauerkraut are pasteurized. > > > Bubbies Kosher Dills seem pretty good too. Hence the " seem " . I don't *think* they are pastuerized: they are stored in the fridge at the store and they keep growing new white stuff in my fridge, but it is odd that one can find live bacteria in a grocery store. I should call them. But, I don't eat them all that much, mainly because I like kimchi more than Kosher Dills. My husband likes dill pickles a lot though, and I'd like to learn to make them, so getting Bubbies I could see how they might taste. Kimchi is *far* superior as a digestive aid: the cayenne pepper, ginger, and garlic combo would help all by itself. Cabbage and carrots might have something in them that helps too. I haven't tried adding the traditional shrimp or squid to it, but it wouldn't surprise me if those help the digestion too. It seems that Kimchi is a dietary staple in Korea, and they've been experimenting with it for awhile! As far as placebo, it could be, though ANY sour pickle seems to help digestion (some people swear by them), so besides the live bacteria there is probably a chemical aspect to the acidity that helps. Heidi Schuppenhauer Trillium Custom Software Inc. heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 > As far as placebo, it could be, though ANY sour pickle seems to > help digestion (some people swear by them), so besides the live > bacteria there is probably a chemical aspect to the acidity that > helps. If there's any truth to the notion that certain flavors stimulate certain digestive processes, that may be part of what's going on. I have heard (many times) the claim made (unsubstantiated as far as I know) that bitter flavors, for example, stimulate bile production. That would make some sense from an evolutionary standpoint since bile is required to convert the carotenes in plant foods to vitamin A. Since leafy greens tend to be bitter, it might make sense that their bitter flavor would have that physiological response. If that's true, perhaps that's more or less what's going on with regards to pickles and digestion...other than the obvious bacterial connection with fermented pickles. Also, if that's what's going on, non-fermented pickles might not be of any help to someone without a gallbladder... Just more speculative musings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 > > As far as placebo, it could be, though ANY sour pickle seems to > > help digestion (some people swear by them), so besides the live > > bacteria there is probably a chemical aspect to the acidity that > > helps. > > If there's any truth to the notion that certain flavors stimulate > certain digestive processes, that may be part of what's going on. I > have heard (many times) the claim made (unsubstantiated as far as I > know) that bitter flavors, for example, stimulate bile production. > That would make some sense from an evolutionary standpoint since bile > is required to convert the carotenes in plant foods to vitamin A. > Since leafy greens tend to be bitter, it might make sense that their > bitter flavor would have that physiological response. If that's > true, perhaps that's more or less what's going on with regards to > pickles and digestion...other than the obvious bacterial connection > with fermented pickles. > > Also, if that's what's going on, non-fermented pickles might not be > of any help to someone without a gallbladder... > > Just more speculative musings... > > Hi, The gall bladder is a holding place for bile, which is produced by the liver. When the gall bladder is removed the bile duct is supposed to remain in the body and be re-routed from the liver to the small intestine. Even though the bile is still available the process of transport is compromised to the extent that digestion of fats is more difficult. This is the reason for taking the digestive enzymes. I know there are other digestive aids which help, Swedish Bitter's, lemon juice in warm water and many fermented foods. Of course we are all different to some extent, so the need arises to experiment to see what works best, and in what amounts foods, etc, should be taken to restore our own bio-individuallity to optimal vitality. I can't help but think that there is usually some other digestive difficulty going on when a gall bladder must be removed. Changing the diet to more whole foods and raw fats should help in this situation. However the digestion of fats may still be a problem until the liver is cleared of toxic overload, digestive enzymes tried, and diet changed, special herbal teas and the HCL level improved. At least this has been my experience. Sometimes everything can be jump started by weekly ( one to three times a week) with injections of B 12 and B- comlex. This can be discontinued once digestion improves. This has helped me tremendously. A slow and gentle cleansing of the digestive organs can work wonders. I once tried a quick gall bladder flush with olive oil and grapefruit juice and became very ill, very fast. Never again! This method can release stones that may block the bile duct and then there is a big problem. This did not happen to me, but I sure was violently sick for a short time. Who needs trouble when a slower and equally effective way can be tried. These slower detoxting methods can be found on the www and from nutritionally oriented doctors. I fear I am rambling here. Must stop for now. Hope this helps. All my best, Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2002 Report Share Posted May 17, 2002 " I am happy to report that our dills are not heated in any way. " -- M. Gray of Bubbies in an email dated May 6, 2002 to in Portland. > Heidi-- > > this might be the placebo effect...as far as I know Bubbies pickles and sauerkraut are pasteurized. > > > Bubbies Kosher Dills seem pretty good too. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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