Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 B's are water soluble and they are peed out. I believe B12 might get stored in the liver.Alek can go about 2 days before he is back to " regular Alek, " (irritable kid) but we notice the Bs wearing off mid-day. BTW the stuff I've been reading on seizures says that the B6 injected can stop intractable seizures " right away " in those with pyridoxine dependent epilepsy and that it can usually stop the seizures within 3 days when taken orally. We notice Alek in a better mood within 30 mins... and the literature does say in abt 3 days the kids with PDEwill return to having them, usually.Has Tom ever had an EEG? I am not trying to make you freak out of course, but I just don't think there are enough people having EEGs to know if people with ADHD-like symptoms also have electrical discharges in the brain. If it were not for the febrile seizures, I would never know Alek was having the seizure activity. His sleep-deprived EEG was borderline normal, but the 24 hr one showed the activity. Looking back now there are things that qualify as seizures that I might have missed because I didn't know... for instance some of the absence seizures do not have to be blank stares, but can be repetitive motions. Alek being a clumsy toddler - me thinking the bruises and falling was from him being SO active - might have been drop seizures all along.... because he WAS much more daring and active than le ever was (Miss Safety Girl!) I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 No. he's never had an EEG. But you're right, I would not be one bit surprised to learn that many ADHD kids have seizure activity of one sort or another.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:20 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins B's are water soluble and they are peed out. I believe B12 might get stored in the liver.Alek can go about 2 days before he is back to "regular Alek," (irritable kid) but we notice the Bs wearing off mid-day. BTW the stuff I've been reading on seizures says that the B6 injected can stop intractable seizures "right away"in those with pyridoxine dependent epilepsy and that it can usually stop the seizures within 3 days when taken orally. We notice Alek in a better mood within 30 mins... and the literature does say in abt 3 days the kids with PDEwill return to having them, usually.Has Tom ever had an EEG? I am not trying to make you freak out of course, but I just don't think there are enough people having EEGs to know if people with ADHD-like symptoms also have electrical discharges in the brain. If it were not for the febrile seizures, I would never know Alek was having the seizure activity. His sleep-deprived EEG was borderline normal, but the 24 hr one showed the activity. Looking back now there are things that qualify as seizures that I might have missed because I didn't know... for instance some of the absence seizures do not have to be blank stares, but can be repetitive motions. Alek being a clumsy toddler - me thinking the bruises and falling was from him being SO active - might have been drop seizures all along.... because he WAS much more daring and active than le ever was (Miss Safety Girl!) I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 hi i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf thanks To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins hi i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf thanks To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I stopped the kefir with him because he's doing amazing in the pumpkin poop dept. It's my little guy who still has me waiting for the great pumpkin. : ) To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:31 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) -TammyTo: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins hi i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf thanks To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 There's something called intrinsic factor you need for some of the Bs, b12 I guess? I think me and my son don't have it. well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 yes i remember the intrinsic factor..apparently if your gut is inflammed it loses the intrinsic factor.. that is one reason of not having it..im sure there are other reasons too.... To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:34 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins There's something called intrinsic factor you need for some of the Bs, b12 I guess? I think me and my son don't have it. well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 the pummmmmkinnnnn pooooop.......dang how a good poop just to me is the ultimate symbol of health. halloween is coming up and i keep remembering linus from charlie brown waiting all night for the great pumkin.he.he. i cant wait to get my humaworm ...I be waiting too for the great pumkin:) To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:24 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins I stopped the kefir with him because he's doing amazing in the pumpkin poop dept. It's my little guy who still has me waiting for the great pumpkin. : ) To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:31 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 I never figured it out, LOL but feeling better on my Bs. Hahah! Maybe it was the gluten kicking my butt (or gut as it were!) yes i remember the intrinsic factor..apparently if your gut is inflammed it loses the intrinsic factor.. that is one reason of not having it..im sure there are other reasons too.... -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 wow. thanks. my antennae are up! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:34 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins There's something called intrinsic factor you need for some of the Bs, b12 I guess? I think me and my son don't have it. well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Yasko says lead blocks B-12, when you get the lead out, B-12 works better. Aluminum holds onto bad bacteria. well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2011 Report Share Posted September 26, 2011 Hi everyone, Since we're on the subject of water kefir--how much of this are the kids supposed to drink a day? We're working our way up-- but not sure up to what. Channa--did you ever figure out if it was die off that caused the behaviors in your son? As soon as I upped the amount of the kefir last time, my son got a fever again! So wierd! Maybe we'll try the kombucha too. Is it ok to do both together? Thanks all! Jackie > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) >  > -Tammy > > > ________________________________ > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours > > > > ________________________________ > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > hi > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > thanks > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. >  > > > ________________________________ > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > -Tammy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 oh yah! Im so sorry should have done a update on the whole water kefir thing. yes it was die off in my opinion...i give him now as much he wants usually two large glasses of the stuff...i used an antibacterial MMS usually four hurs after the kefir seemed to work well for my son, I also used chinese herbal formula called dragon pills and the bacteria symptoms of aggresion subsided. we just got done doin a round so now he is showing yeast symptoms and MMS seems to work really good for that as well. i dont use anything while on round as i try not give too much stuff on round. dmsa i find a little hard on my sons tummy so i wait till after to do the antifungals or antibacterials . i am so glad i pushed thru with the water kefir..i am now delving into the gaps diet and am really digging the whole philosopy behind it! i am also going to be learning more about the whole amino acid thing and will update everyone as i figure out what works for my son. blessings everyone! channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:22 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Hi everyone,Since we're on the subject of water kefir--how much of this arethe kids supposed to drink a day? We're working our way up-- but notsure up to what. Channa--did you ever figure out if it was die offthat caused the behaviors in your son? As soon as I upped theamount of the kefir last time, my son got a fever again! So wierd!Maybe we'll try the kombucha too. Is it ok to do both together?Thanks all!Jackie>> you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea)>  > -Tammy> > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours> > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > hi > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > thanks > > > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. >  > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM> Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > -Tammy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Nice tip! One of the moms on my son's football team was just telling me they couldn't do the draw on her son to test for lead. His veins were too rubbery and no matter how they tried, they couldn't get the needle in. Same exact thing with Tom when he was a baby so we never knew what his lead levels looked liked. I encouraged her to try again with son.Thanks, Judy.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:15 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Yasko says lead blocks B-12, when you get the lead out, B-12 works better. Aluminum holds onto bad bacteria. well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Speaking of B Vitamins I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). -Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Jackie, We do the home made (coconut) water kefir by adding a tsp. or so to the So Delicous brand kefir milk (also coconut). This is a pretty powerful combo and we've never gotten further than 1/3 - 1/2 cup. Any more than that and it isn't pretty : ) -TammyTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:22 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Hi everyone, Since we're on the subject of water kefir--how much of this are the kids supposed to drink a day? We're working our way up-- but not sure up to what. Channa--did you ever figure out if it was die off that caused the behaviors in your son? As soon as I upped the amount of the kefir last time, my son got a fever again! So wierd! Maybe we'll try the kombucha too. Is it ok to do both together? Thanks all! Jackie > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) >  > -Tammy > > > ________________________________ > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours > > > > ________________________________ > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > hi > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > thanks > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. >  > > > ________________________________ > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins > > >  > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > -Tammy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies. Love and prayers, Heidi N >I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. >Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 He actually tested extremely low in lactobacillus, erscherichia coli (is this e.coli?) and bifidobacterium. We did kefir and supplementation for a good while and his poops have been awesome so I stopped. Maybe I should stay the course a little bit longer. I've been given some awesome tips to consider. thanks, everyone..To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:43 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies. Love and prayers, Heidi N >I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. >Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 What can you do if your Bs remain low and you supplement tens of billions of microflora daily? We are using Syntol and have used 12 strain Custom Probiotics and S. Boulardii.We had one kid with mild yeast overgrowth and one with none. Still, we suffer psychological symptoms without the B supplementation, and once we added that in,behaviors improve.I think we have some genetic issues here that are not helped with the supplementation of the flora, just the Bs?? Wish I had the answer, better than that. :-\ As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies. Love and prayers, Heidi N >I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. >Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 oh yah definitly go slow some kefir is stronger then others. dang i wish my son wasnt allergic to coconut. also you can eat the kefir grains as well..i might be doing that next.he,he To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:00 AMSubject: Re: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Jackie, We do the home made (coconut) water kefir by adding a tsp. or so to the So Delicous brand kefir milk (also coconut). This is a pretty powerful combo and we've never gotten further than 1/3 - 1/2 cup. Any more than that and it isn't pretty : ) -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:22 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Hi everyone,Since we're on the subject of water kefir--how much of this arethe kids supposed to drink a day? We're working our way up-- but notsure up to what. Channa--did you ever figure out if it was die offthat caused the behaviors in your son? As soon as I upped theamount of the kefir last time, my son got a fever again! So wierd!Maybe we'll try the kombucha too. Is it ok to do both together?Thanks all!Jackie>> you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea)>  > -Tammy> > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours> > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > hi > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > thanks > > > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. >  > > > ________________________________> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM> Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins> > >  > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > -Tammy> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Sorry....what is MMS that you speak of? Thanks, Patty > > > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) > >  > > -Tammy > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > hi > > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. > >  > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM > > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > > > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > > > -Tammy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 miracle mineral solution it is still contreversial not a lot of info on it..so im still on the fence about it..have been using it and monitoring..suppose to get rid of all pathogens in body if you want i can look up more info and send to you.my brain is super tired right now.. channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:41 PMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Sorry....what is MMS that you speak of?Thanks,Patty> >> > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea)> >  > > -Tammy> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@>> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM> > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > >  > > > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@>> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM> > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > >  > > hi > > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@>> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM> > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > >  > > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. > >  > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>> > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM> > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > > > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > > > -Tammy> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 culturelle is on sale at target...i am going to add this to my sons regiment along with the kefir...culturelle is lactobacillus ramnos i believe.. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins He actually tested extremely low in lactobacillus, erscherichia coli (is this e.coli?) and bifidobacterium. We did kefir and supplementation for a good while and his poops have been awesome so I stopped. Maybe I should stay the course a little bit longer. I've been given some awesome tips to consider. thanks, everyone.. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:43 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies.Love and prayers,Heidi N>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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