Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I know...I saw that about Culturelle being on sale. I'm thinking about driving my van across the border and coming back with a van full. It's so bloody expensive up here. culturelle is on sale at target...i am going to add this to my sons regiment along with the kefir...culturelle is lactobacillus ramnos i believe.. To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins He actually tested extremely low in lactobacillus, erscherichia coli (is this e.coli?) and bifidobacterium. We did kefir and supplementation for a good while and his poops have been awesome so I stopped. Maybe I should stay the course a little bit longer. I've been given some awesome tips to consider. thanks, everyone.. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies. Love and prayers,Heidi N>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Hi Tammy, We used to have coconut issues here too like Channa's house, but I haven't tried it again in a long time. Thinking I might try " a couple drops " of the So Delicious and see what happens. We're only up to about 3 tsp of the kefir water, so I've got a way to go then before we hit 1/3 or 1/2 cup. Thanks for the info!! Jackie > > > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) > >  > > -Tammy > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > hi > > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. > >  > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM > > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > > > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > > > -Tammy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 We had coconut issues but healing the gut mostly resolved them. Of note about coconut- the flaked coconut, even organic flaked, uses a chemical in processing that many people (us included) react to. So it should probably be off the grocery list for evermore. Also, most packaged coconut milks have Vitamin A Palmitate which many react to because of how it is sourced or something, I forget. . . We drink So Delicious (does have the Vit A palmitate) but if Mia gets too much (3 glasses a day or so), she starts into sensory seeking and stimming. Inner Eco Young Coconut Kefir is an EXCELLENT product that is as far as we know and our experience tells, very safe and does not have any issues of stealth ingredients. We have our local small health food market and/or our Whole Foods order it. Their website also lists stores so you can see if it is already available nearby. > > > > > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea) > > >  > > > -Tammy > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@> > > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > > > > >  > > > hi > > > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > > > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@> > > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM > > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > > > > >  > > > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. > > >  > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@> > > > To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > > > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM > > > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > > > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > > > > > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > > > > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > > > > > -Tammy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 i would drive across the border for culturelle..you can also download three dollar off coupon from culturelle website and use with the sale! so seven bucks now... To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:24 AMSubject: Re: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins I know...I saw that about Culturelle being on sale. I'm thinking about driving my van across the border and coming back with a van full. It's so bloody expensive up here. culturelle is on sale at target...i am going to add this to my sons regiment along with the kefir...culturelle is lactobacillus ramnos i believe.. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:14 AMSubject: Re: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins He actually tested extremely low in lactobacillus, erscherichia coli (is this e.coli?) and bifidobacterium. We did kefir and supplementation for a good while and his poops have been awesome so I stopped. Maybe I should stay the course a little bit longer. I've been given some awesome tips to consider. thanks, everyone.. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:43 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins As much as there may be several reasons, the lack of the proper microflora seems to be the most likely. B's heavily rely on healthy bacteria in the gut to become B's from the food and absorb into our bodies.Love and prayers,Heidi N>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 - I JUST got your post in this thread. What's the serving size you giveyour kiddo with the Inner Eco? Thanks! -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:19 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins We had coconut issues but healing the gut mostly resolved them. Of note about coconut- the flaked coconut, even organic flaked, uses a chemical in processing that many people (us included) react to. So it should probably be off the grocery list for evermore. Also, most packaged coconut milks have Vitamin A Palmitate which many react to because of how it is sourced or something, I forget. . . We drink So Delicious (does have the Vit A palmitate) but if Mia gets too much (3 glasses a day or so), she starts into sensory seeking and stimming. Inner Eco Young Coconut Kefir is an EXCELLENT product that is as far as we know and our experience tells, very safe and does not have any issues of stealth ingredients. We have our local small health food market and/or our Whole Foods order it. Their website also lists stores so you can see if it is already available nearby.> > >> > > you can do kumbacha (sp?), too. (That's a probiotic tea)> > >  > > > -Tammy> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:12 PM> > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > you can order kefir grains online..i dont know what they have in isreal or what companys ship to isreal i think they can last a week without liquid....or maybe look into dried kefir grains..I do the water kefir grains all you do is add sugar water...you can look up water kefir grains and get tons of variations on this recipe..basically it is one cup water one tbsp grains and one tbsp sugar raw organic of course..you can add dried friut and lemon slices for better nutrient for the grains. let ferment 24 to 48 hours> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: Yarkoni <tanya.yarkoni@>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:03 PM> > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > > > > >  > > > hi > > > i live in israel and coconuts are not abundant. > > > can someone help me with a kefir recipe? she is also cf/gf > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 3:31 AM> > > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > > > > >  > > > well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head. > > >  > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>> > > To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >> > > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM> > > Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins> > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference. > > > Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out. > > > > > >  Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? > > > > > > Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk). > > > > > > -Tammy> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 We are on a maintenance dose of 1 TBSP a day in a shake made of raw tahini, rice syrup, coconut oil, glutamine powder (also 1 TBSP) and coconut milk. This is 'breakfast'. I think 1 TBSP has 'trillions' of beneficial organisims? I am trying to bring myself around to making this on my own soon. Fingers crossed. Although cost wise, I am not sure yet it will be much of a savings. The Body Ecology diet describes how to make fresh young coconut kefir. Also, you were talking about B vitamin deficiencies- the HPU/KPU thread s and research talk about B6 deficiency (along with zinc and manganese). Maybe this would be of interest for you? > > - I JUST got your post in this thread. > What's the serving size you giveyour kiddo with the Inner Eco? >  > Thanks! > -Tammy > > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ,What was amazing to me was that so much of what is working for us fits into Klinghardt. We have just started with the high dose B6, so we want to get another OAT before we move onto more stuff. And due to the oxidative stress, I do want to keep my kids on a slower paced protocol, and start to remove things before I add things... but I am very interested in going deeper into Klinghardt! We are on a maintenance dose of 1 TBSP a day in a shake made of raw tahini, rice syrup, coconut oil, glutamine powder (also 1 TBSP) and coconut milk. This is 'breakfast'. I think 1 TBSP has 'trillions' of beneficial organisims? I am trying to bring myself around to making this on my own soon. Fingers crossed. Although cost wise, I am not sure yet it will be much of a savings. The Body Ecology diet describes how to make fresh young coconut kefir. Also, you were talking about B vitamin deficiencies- the HPU/KPU thread s and research talk about B6 deficiency (along with zinc and manganese). Maybe this would be of interest for you? -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 I make my own young coconut kefir. Sometimes the young coconuts are easy to get - sometimes they're not around for a while. I like having something else available when I don't have the coconuts or get lazy and run out. Tom has always been a big responder to b6. I've recently started giving it to my little guy, too. Less calls from school....let's keep our fingers crossed. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:05 AMSubject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins We are on a maintenance dose of 1 TBSP a day in a shake made of raw tahini, rice syrup, coconut oil, glutamine powder (also 1 TBSP) and coconut milk. This is 'breakfast'. I think 1 TBSP has 'trillions' of beneficial organisims?I am trying to bring myself around to making this on my own soon. Fingers crossed. Although cost wise, I am not sure yet it will be much of a savings. The Body Ecology diet describes how to make fresh young coconut kefir. Also, you were talking about B vitamin deficiencies- the HPU/KPU thread s and research talk about B6 deficiency (along with zinc and manganese). Maybe this would be of interest for you?>> - I JUST got your post in this thread. > What's the serving size you giveyour kiddo with the Inner Eco?>  > Thanks!> -Tammy> > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:19 AM> Subject: Re: Speaking of B Vitamins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Toni,We had high B6 on the OAT. Did say anything about that? ( I really need to contact her and send our results!)Thanks!Sent from my iPhone ,What was amazing to me was that so much of what is working for us fits into Klinghardt. We have just started with the high dose B6, so we want to get another OAT before we move onto more stuff. And due to the oxidative stress, I do want to keep my kids on a slower paced protocol, and start to remove things before I add things... but I am very interested in going deeper into Klinghardt! We are on a maintenance dose of 1 TBSP a day in a shake made of raw tahini, rice syrup, coconut oil, glutamine powder (also 1 TBSP) and coconut milk. This is 'breakfast'. I think 1 TBSP has 'trillions' of beneficial organisims? I am trying to bring myself around to making this on my own soon. Fingers crossed. Although cost wise, I am not sure yet it will be much of a savings. The Body Ecology diet describes how to make fresh young coconut kefir. Also, you were talking about B vitamin deficiencies- the HPU/KPU thread s and research talk about B6 deficiency (along with zinc and manganese). Maybe this would be of interest for you? -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Toni, It is the same for us. It is like reading the Klinghardt protocol is going over most of the top 10 list of what has worked for us, out of the swarms of things we've done over the years. What dose of B6 are you using for what weight? We also are starting at a slow pace until I can get through more research. So far upping B6 is helping considerably. Mia is still going through episodes/aggression/self injury/meltdowns, but she can actually pull herself out of it when I talk reason to her, hold her, and give her time. We did add zinc in, with good effect so far, but only at 30mg/day. I think this is lower than Klinghardt would recommend? I need to get on to addressing oxidative stress more aggressively. Hopefully this weekend. We did add back in more cleansing/detox agents- chlorella an hour after dinner, activated charcoal an hour after that, bentonite clay internally at mid afternoon. These all seem to help a lot. > , > What was amazing to me was that so much of what is working for us fits into Klinghardt. We have just started with the high dose B6, so we want to get another OAT before we move onto more stuff. And due to the oxidative stress, I do want to keep my kids on a slower paced protocol, and start to remove things before I add things... but I am very interested in going deeper into Klinghardt! > > > > > We are on a maintenance dose of 1 TBSP a day in a shake made of raw tahini, rice syrup, coconut oil, glutamine powder (also 1 TBSP) and coconut milk. This is 'breakfast'. I think 1 TBSP has 'trillions' of beneficial organisims? > > I am trying to bring myself around to making this on my own soon. Fingers crossed. Although cost wise, I am not sure yet it will be much of a savings. The Body Ecology diet describes how to make fresh young coconut kefir. > > Also, you were talking about B vitamin deficiencies- the HPU/KPU thread s and research talk about B6 deficiency (along with zinc and manganese). Maybe this would be of interest for you? > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 Well, my son has seizure activity so he might require more than some people??We are doing 250mg B6 in the am. I didn't this morning, I think we just did 100mg, 50 of it being slow release.Here's a link to the website I just started, it is nowhere near complete so use at your own risk LOL http://www.mom2artist.com/trytofixyou/now/On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:40 AM, wrote: Toni, It is the same for us. It is like reading the Klinghardt protocol is going over most of the top 10 list of what has worked for us, out of the swarms of things we've done over the years. What dose of B6 are you using for what weight? We also are starting at a slow pace until I can get through more research. So far upping B6 is helping considerably. Mia is still going through episodes/aggression/self injury/meltdowns, but she can actually pull herself out of it when I talk reason to her, hold her, and give her time. We did add zinc in, with good effect so far, but only at 30mg/day. I think this is lower than Klinghardt would recommend? I need to get on to addressing oxidative stress more aggressively. Hopefully this weekend. We did add back in more cleansing/detox agents- chlorella an hour after dinner, activated charcoal an hour after that, bentonite clay internally at mid afternoon. These all seem to help a lot. -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2011 Report Share Posted October 15, 2011 We have seizure activity too, but mild. THANKS. I did look at your website and it is really helpful!!!!!! > > > ** > > > > > > Toni, > > It is the same for us. It is like reading the Klinghardt protocol is going > > over most of the top 10 list of what has worked for us, out of the swarms of > > things we've done over the years. > > What dose of B6 are you using for what weight? > > We also are starting at a slow pace until I can get through more research. > > So far upping B6 is helping considerably. Mia is still going through > > episodes/aggression/self injury/meltdowns, but she can actually pull herself > > out of it when I talk reason to her, hold her, and give her time. > > We did add zinc in, with good effect so far, but only at 30mg/day. I think > > this is lower than Klinghardt would recommend? I need to get on to > > addressing oxidative stress more aggressively. Hopefully this weekend. We > > did add back in more cleansing/detox agents- chlorella an hour after dinner, > > activated charcoal an hour after that, bentonite clay internally at mid > > afternoon. These all seem to help a lot. > > > > > > -- > Toni > > ------ > Mind like a steel trap... > Rusty and illegal in 37 states. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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