Re: Speaking of B Vitamins - - help with chelating???

[Guest guest]

So I recently got my daughter's complete medical record in hand after years of

trying (long distance, we have moved a lot), and sure enough, an early lead test

she had at 6 months showed a lead level of 3. I cried and cried. The doctor we

were seeing at the time told me the test came back with 'no lead'. I am guessing

they meant no lead poisoning, which would be a level of 10.

I tell you, the one thing that terrifies me is chelating. Mia always reacts

negatively to naturally chelating foods. When she is on aciclovir she chelates

naturally as well, and what looks like metals show up in her poop.

Can anyone help to hold my hand through an explanation of using supplements to

chelate?

MANY THANKS,

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> >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins from

food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion ,will

prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head.

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> >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

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> >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B

complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's.  I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> >>

> >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? 

> >>

> >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????)  I've tried a

couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite there. 

sooooo frustrating.  I might try one more time in a week or two because he

does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might just be

feeling a little under the weather.  But little dude is out in left field

somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

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> >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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[Guest guest]

Well, we did chelate with traditional DAN chelation (two rounds DMSA

suppositories and 1 round DMSA oral.) I know many people advise against it, but

it did work well for my son. My older son also chelated 2 rounds DMSA

suppository, which also worked terrific for him. We saw A LOT of lead come out

and also mercury.

Anyway, what I wanted to share with you as another option is Iodoral. Whenever

my youngest son chelates, we can actually SMELL the metal coming out of him

through his sweat, particluarly at the back of his head and neck. Every night

while chelating when we checked him before we went to bed, he would be sweaty

and REEK of metal.

Ten months ago, while not chelating, his doctor added Iodoral to his protocol.

I immediately noticed that he started smelling like metal at night. One day I

forgot to give him the Iodoral and he didn't smell like metal. So I did some

research and found that Iodine IS effective at chelation. Here is a sample

article: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Liodine2.htm

The first three months my son was on Iodoral, he smelled like metal every night.

Then the metal smell started tapering off.

So, you would need to do your own research to decide if you want to supplement

with Iodoral. We have seen very good things with it.

Cathy

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> So I recently got my daughter's complete medical record in hand after years of

trying (long distance, we have moved a lot), and sure enough, an early lead test

she had at 6 months showed a lead level of 3. I cried and cried. The doctor we

were seeing at the time told me the test came back with 'no lead'. I am guessing

they meant no lead poisoning, which would be a level of 10.

>

> I tell you, the one thing that terrifies me is chelating. Mia always reacts

negatively to naturally chelating foods. When she is on aciclovir she chelates

naturally as well, and what looks like metals show up in her poop.

>

> Can anyone help to hold my hand through an explanation of using supplements to

chelate?

>

> MANY THANKS,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Garlic is a natural chelator, I have heard several reports of good

results with either garlic alone or garlic+parsley

Natasa

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> > So I recently got my daughter's complete medical record in hand

after years of trying (long distance, we have moved a lot), and sure

enough, an early lead test she had at 6 months showed a lead level of 3.

I cried and cried. The doctor we were seeing at the time told me the

test came back with 'no lead'. I am guessing they meant no lead

poisoning, which would be a level of 10.

> >

> > I tell you, the one thing that terrifies me is chelating. Mia always

reacts negatively to naturally chelating foods. When she is on aciclovir

she chelates naturally as well, and what looks like metals show up in

her poop.

> >

> > Can anyone help to hold my hand through an explanation of using

supplements to chelate?

> >

> > MANY THANKS,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks thanks thanks everyone, I am really excited with what everyone has to

say. Of course I have the usual nausea that comes with information overload, but

I am trying to gulp air so it will pass. Of note, we are adding in chlorella (in

kombucha) parsley (from the garden), and iodine (through an Old Fashioned Spices

syrup, but I am fascinated with the iodoral and iodine gains in general, this

just rings true as an issue for us- considering related thyroid issues as well)

slowly. Hmmm. Many thanks for all of these posts and the details, they help so

much in the detective work.

THANKS!!!

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> > So I recently got my daughter's complete medical record in hand after years

of trying (long distance, we have moved a lot), and sure enough, an early lead

test she had at 6 months showed a lead level of 3. I cried and cried. The doctor

we were seeing at the time told me the test came back with 'no lead'. I am

guessing they meant no lead poisoning, which would be a level of 10.

> >

> > I tell you, the one thing that terrifies me is chelating. Mia always reacts

negatively to naturally chelating foods. When she is on aciclovir she chelates

naturally as well, and what looks like metals show up in her poop.

> >

> > Can anyone help to hold my hand through an explanation of using supplements

to chelate?

> >

> > MANY THANKS,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Channa (or anyone else on here),

I would like to join the recoveryfromautism group. Would I be able to list you

as my referral for the group?

I'm interested b/c ds's Toxic Metals test (hair) came back today..lots of

arsenic and uranium, but barely a trace of mercury...I'm suspicious. :^/ He

also has a messed up ratio of too much zinc (although we aren't supplementing!)

and too little copper. So we may be looking at going into AC, once we get his

gut a little more in order.

Thank you!

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> > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins

from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion

,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head.

> > >>ÂÂ

> > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

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> > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B

complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > >>

> > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this?ÂÂ

> > >>

> > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've tried

a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or twoÂÂ

because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might

just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left

field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > >>

> > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I first started they told me 9 out of 10 kids are

nonexcreters of mercury, and that you won't see it in their

hair test if they are indeed a nonexcreter. Mercury throws off

some of the other minerals in the kids, and there is a thing

called the " counting rule " that you can use to figure out if

they are holding mercury even if you can't see it in the value

of the hair test. (This might actually be Andy Cutler's rule,

I can't remember exactly, it's been a really long time) but the rule only works

with the hair test from one particular lab. You might find it explained

somewhere in the archives here I'm not sure--

otherwise you can find it on the generationrescue.org site

I think, under hair test. My ds was extremely high in arsenic also.

They told me garlic was the best chelator of arsenic.

Jackie

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> > > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins

from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion

,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head.

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> > > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

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> > > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B

complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this?ÂÂ

> > > >>

> > > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've

tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or twoÂÂ

because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might

just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left

field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > > >>

> > > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm. Thanks . That is helpful. I was exposed to arsenic while doing bone

work on historic remains in college- had many signs of arsenic poisoning. This

was only about 4 years before having MIa. Has always been on my mind. Garlic

seems to really get my stomach. Maybe I need to add the coconut cream someone

suggested (and chlorella?) to bind it? Sounds like a yukky shake .

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> > > > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b

vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont

know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my

guess of top head.

> > > > >>ÂÂ

> > > > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > > > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > > > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > > > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

> > > > >>

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> > > > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's

(B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > > > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's. I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this?ÂÂ

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????) I've

tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there. sooooo frustrating. I might try one more time in a week or twoÂÂ

because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he might

just be feeling a little under the weather. But little dude is out in left

field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > > > >>

> > > > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

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[Guest guest]

We have high zinc too. What metals test did you use? I would like to do one

without a Dr because we still haven't found one locally (moved a few months

ago).

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> > > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b vitamins

from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont know..malabsorbtion

,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my guess of top head.

> > > >> 

> > > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

> > > >>

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> > > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's (B

complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's.  I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? 

> > > >>

> > > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????)  I've

tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there.  sooooo frustrating.  I might try one more time in a week or

two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he

might just be feeling a little under the weather.  But little dude is out in

left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > > >>

> > > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

We did the one from Great Plains Lab. Our DAN ordered it. I don't know if you

can get it from GPL w/out a Dr's order...worse they can do is say no!

The results are really troubling...my hubby is an electrical engineer and works

w/gallium arsenide in the components he uses. Soldering stuff, too.

My son's mercury level came out as " <0.03 " in a normal of <0.4. This with the

copper and zinc thing really makes me think Mercury. I did Andy Cutler's

counting protocol, and it's a maybe...not clear either way.

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> > > > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b

vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont

know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my

guess of top head.

> > > > >> 

> > > > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > > > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > > > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > > > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> 

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> > > > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's

(B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > > > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's.  I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? 

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????)  I've

tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there.  sooooo frustrating.  I might try one more time in a week or

two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he

might just be feeling a little under the weather.  But little dude is out in

left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > > > >>

> > > > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

> > > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

OOPS! Sorry, our test WAS from Doctor's Data.

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> > > > >> 

> > > > >>well you need proper good bacteria in gut to digest the b

vitamins from food..but you are doing the kefir right? so I dont

know..malabsorbtion ,will prevent us from getting nutrients from food. that my

guess of top head.

> > > > >> 

> > > > >>From: T Lynn <t.lynn28@>

> > > > >>To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

> > > > >>Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 11:14 AM

> > > > >>Subject: Speaking of B Vitamins

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> 

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> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>I've noticed Tom can go about 3 days or so without supplementing B's

(B complex + B12, B6, and 5mthf) before we notice a difference.

> > > > >>Because of his food choices, logically, he should be getting plenty of

B's.  I wonder if there's something viral or perhaps metals that suck the B's

out of a person much the same way the Measles suck Vitamin A out.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Anyone have any interesting articles/links addressing this? 

> > > > >>

> > > > >>Maybe our dietary changes just need more time.... (??????)  I've

tried a couple times to see if he can sustain on his own, but we're not quite

there.  sooooo frustrating.  I might try one more time in a week or

two because he does have the sniffles right now (hooray for sniffles!) so he

might just be feeling a little under the weather.  But little dude is out in

left field somewhere (not that I have much room to talk).

> > > > >>

> > > > >>-Tammy -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37

states.

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