Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi everyone, Just venting. I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her phone friend made her. I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it. So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft. I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me. There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way. It angers me and saddens me so much. On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you all! Fiona ________________________________ To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: Happy holidays, everyone! I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear. Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012. Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I think your mother gets what she deserves. This phone friend is probably one of us, trying to win an BPDs approval because her parent was that way. It probably annoys you so much because you relate to the woman and you want the woman to keep occupying her time. Anyway, sounds awful. I really don't know how you tolerate your mother but good luck with it :-) On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Fiona wrote: > ** > > > Hi everyone, > > Just venting. > > I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her > phone friend made her. > I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put > boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this > woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada > constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I > think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their > growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it. > > So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never > going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day > gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn > prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft. > > I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it > to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't > talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told > me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how > long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is > VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me. > > There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone > into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she > won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very > long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if > she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're > in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her > self-absorbed conversation problem! > > I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone > in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and > chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way. > > It angers me and saddens me so much. > > On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to > you all! > > Fiona > > ________________________________ > > To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 > > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM > Subject: Happy holidays, everyone! > > > I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy > holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear. > > Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012. > > Fiona > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 " There's no pleasing her. " That sentence applies so well to my nada too. She befriends people, some of them really nice people, but sooner or later they do something that she uses as an excuse to end the friendship, blaming them not herself. I don't know which is worse, never letting people into your life or letting them in then rejecting them over something either imagined or trivial. Nadas often use their " friends " so they naturally assume that their friends are using them too. They don't understand real friendship any more than they understand how to love their children. At 09:32 AM 02/14/2012 Fiona wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Just venting. > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL >scarf her phone friend made her. >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has >turned to this woman and they call each other all the >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the >brakes on it. > > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, >warm, and soft. > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She >just " whatevered " me. > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would >actually want to bless her in any way. > >It angers me and saddens me so much. > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving >thoughts to you all! > >Fiona -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Sounds like projecting to me; your nada was accusing this friend of having ulterior motives in giving the gift, because she herself probably uses gift-giving as a manipulative tool. My nada too was rather paranoid, and suspected dark ulterior motives in other people, suspected that she was being lied to, being manipulated, etc. This wasn't transient with my nada, she had negative cognitive distortions like that her whole life. When she was extra-stressed, the paranoia and delusions would become extra-pronounced. It was on a vacation with nada and an elderly great-aunt of ours that nada first exhibited sudden, extreme paranoia and delusional thinking about this great-aunt, who was nothing but a sweet, angelic person and who (up until that trip, apparently) had always been nada's favorite aunt. Something about travel apparently really, really stressed out my nada; she was practically guaranteed to be at her worst when on a vacation, particularly an overseas vacation. So, " transient, stress-related paranoid and delusional ideation " is a diagnostic trait of bpd. But my Sister speculates that our nada may have had something else, some kind of psychotic disorder like mild schizophrenia or something, to explain her chronic, ongoing, intransigent negative, paranoid, delusional thinking. (For her whole life, my nada was convinced that her parents had been horrible to her, that my dad was constantly cheating on her with other women, and that I hated her and rejected her when I was an infant.) -Annie > > Hi everyone, > > Just venting. > > I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her phone friend made her. > I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it. > > > So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft. > > I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me. > > There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way. > > It angers me and saddens me so much. > > On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you all! > > Fiona > > > ________________________________ > > To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM > Subject: Happy holidays, everyone! > > > I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear. > > Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012. > > Fiona > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 " They don't understand real friendship any more than they understand how to love their children. " Katrina, that's so true. I don't know why I get so impatient with nada about not being open to friendships. Like you said, she doesn't understand it and doesn't want to. I can't expect anymore from her. I think Millicent was right (she'd said i probably want nada's phone friend to keep staying around for my own benefit) and in a way, I know I would be screwed if phone friend goes away!! > >Hi everyone, > > > >Just venting. > > > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL > >scarf her phone friend made her. > >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I > >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has > >turned to this woman and they call each other all the > >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to > >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's > >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their > >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the > >brakes on it. > > > > > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows > >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her > >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely > >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, > >warm, and soft. > > > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she > >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably > >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The > >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her > >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it > >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. > >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She > >just " whatevered " me. > > > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not > >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her > >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me > >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally > >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was > >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. > >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else > >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was > >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses > >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would > >actually want to bless her in any way. > > > >It angers me and saddens me so much. > > > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving > >thoughts to you all! > > > >Fiona > > -- > Katrina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes, I agree, nada was projecting---and you're so right, that IS what she does (uses gift-giving as a manipulative tool). She will even tell me: " I'm giving this perfume set to so and so to keep her on my good side... " Your vacation story with nada and your great-aunt sounded hellish. Bet you never traveled with her again after that! Yes, my nada is like that, too. The stress turns her into a savage. The day of my father's funeral I think she flipped my brother the bird about 2 or 3 times for things out of his control. (even if they'd been things IN his control, it's uncalled for) She hasn't seen her very elderly mother in over 20 years and keeps saying how her family is guilting her about visiting and how she tells them she can't " because no one will go with her. " There is NO way I would accompany her to another continent and agree to be her lapdog for 2 to 3 weeks. Forget it. I can barely stand going a few blocks with her, she gets so agitated. > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just venting. > > > > I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her phone friend made her. > > I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it. > > > > > > So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft. > > > > I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > > > I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me. > > > > There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > > > I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way. > > > > It angers me and saddens me so much. > > > > On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you all! > > > > Fiona > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Fiona <hermitsdaughter@> > > To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 > > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM > > Subject: Happy holidays, everyone! > > > > > > I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear. > > > > Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012. > > > > Fiona > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Fiona, i felt i was a little harsh. Sorry. Your mother sounds just awful. Sent from my mobile device. > " They don't understand real friendship any more than they understand how to > love their children. " > > Katrina, that's so true. I don't know why I get so impatient with nada about not being open to friendships. Like you said, she doesn't understand it and doesn't want to. I can't expect anymore from her. > > I think Millicent was right (she'd said i probably want nada's phone friend to keep staying around for my own benefit) and in a way, I know I would be screwed if phone friend goes away!! > > > > >Hi everyone, > > > > > >Just venting. > > > > > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL > > >scarf her phone friend made her. > > >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I > > >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has > > >turned to this woman and they call each other all the > > >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to > > >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's > > >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their > > >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the > > >brakes on it. > > > > > > > > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows > > >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her > > >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely > > >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, > > >warm, and soft. > > > > > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she > > >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably > > >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The > > >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her > > >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it > > >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > > > > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. > > >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She > > >just " whatevered " me. > > > > > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not > > >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her > > >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me > > >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally > > >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was > > >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. > > >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else > > >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > > > > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was > > >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses > > >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would > > >actually want to bless her in any way. > > > > > >It angers me and saddens me so much. > > > > > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving > > >thoughts to you all! > > > > > >Fiona > > > > -- > > Katrina > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 It's ok. Thank you for your apology. > > > >Hi everyone, > > > > > > > >Just venting. > > > > > > > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL > > > >scarf her phone friend made her. > > > >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I > > > >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has > > > >turned to this woman and they call each other all the > > > >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to > > > >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's > > > >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their > > > >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the > > > >brakes on it. > > > > > > > > > > > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows > > > >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her > > > >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely > > > >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, > > > >warm, and soft. > > > > > > > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she > > > >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably > > > >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The > > > >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her > > > >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it > > > >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > > > > > > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. > > > >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She > > > >just " whatevered " me. > > > > > > > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not > > > >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her > > > >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me > > > >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally > > > >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was > > > >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. > > > >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else > > > >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > > > > > > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was > > > >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses > > > >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would > > > >actually want to bless her in any way. > > > > > > > >It angers me and saddens me so much. > > > > > > > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving > > > >thoughts to you all! > > > > > > > >Fiona > > > > > > -- > > > Katrina > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Oh my, Fiona =( That's just an awful attitude to have, and I think it says way more about your nada than she expects it to. Perhaps some type of projection? Is she known for giving gifts because she has ulterior motives? Or is she doing some kind of waif thing, or as I call it, " nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some worms " . I can understand how this frustrates you, I really can. But this is her problem, not yours. She's all ready made up her mind that this woman doesn't like her and any indication to the contrary is just going to fall onto deaf ears. Sorry she's being like that. Her " phone friend " sounds very sweet, though. I hope she doesn't get BPD burned. >.< Mia > > > > Hi everyone, > > Just venting. > > I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her phone friend made her. > I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it. > > So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft. > > I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard. > > I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me. > > There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation problem! > > I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way. > > It angers me and saddens me so much. > > On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you all! > > Fiona > > ________________________________ > > To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM > Subject: Happy holidays, everyone! > > > I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear. > > Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012. > > Fiona > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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