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Hi everyone,

Just venting.

I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her phone

friend made her.

I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries on

our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call

each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast,

to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear

--not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and

she'd rather put the brakes on it.

So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never going

to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift -- she

knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was

exquisite, warm, and soft.

I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to me

for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to her

right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to

bitch-slap her so hard.

I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is VERY

expensive, and she used it for you! "   She just " whatevered " me.

There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone into

her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she won't do

it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long story

and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was still

there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command,

chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation

problem!

I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a

cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to

believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way.

It angers me and saddens me so much.

On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you

all!

Fiona

________________________________

To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 >

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM

Subject: Happy holidays, everyone!

I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one

without stress, guilt or fear.

Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012.

Fiona

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I think your mother gets what she deserves. This phone friend is probably

one of us, trying to win an BPDs approval because her parent was that way.

It probably annoys you so much because you relate to the woman and you want

the woman to keep occupying her time. Anyway, sounds awful. I really don't

know how you tolerate your mother but good luck with it :-)

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Fiona wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Just venting.

>

> I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her

> phone friend made her.

> I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put

> boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this

> woman and they call each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada

> constantly to breakfast, to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I

> think it's probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their

> growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the brakes on it.

>

> So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never

> going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day

> gift -- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn

> prices. It was exquisite, warm, and soft.

>

> I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it

> to me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't

> talking to her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told

> me she asked her friend why she made it so big and complained about how

> long it was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard.

>

> I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is

> VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She just " whatevered " me.

>

> There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone

> into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she

> won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very

> long story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if

> she was still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're

> in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her

> self-absorbed conversation problem!

>

> I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone

> in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and

> chooses to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way.

>

> It angers me and saddens me so much.

>

> On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to

> you all!

>

> Fiona

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 >

>

> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM

> Subject: Happy holidays, everyone!

>

>

> I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy

> holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear.

>

> Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012.

>

> Fiona

>

>

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" There's no pleasing her. " That sentence applies so well to my

nada too. She befriends people, some of them really nice people,

but sooner or later they do something that she uses as an excuse

to end the friendship, blaming them not herself. I don't know

which is worse, never letting people into your life or letting

them in then rejecting them over something either imagined or

trivial. Nadas often use their " friends " so they naturally

assume that their friends are using them too. They don't

understand real friendship any more than they understand how to

love their children.

At 09:32 AM 02/14/2012 Fiona wrote:

>Hi everyone,

>

>Just venting.

>

>I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL

>scarf her phone friend made her.

>I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I

>put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has

>turned to this woman and they call each other all the

>time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to

>dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's

>probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their

>growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the

>brakes on it.

>

>

>So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows

>nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her

>an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely

>scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite,

>warm, and soft.

>

>I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she

>probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably

>because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The

>part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

>friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it

>was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard.

>

>I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her.

>That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She

>just " whatevered " me.

>

>There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not

>let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her

>blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me

>she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally

>noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

>still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me.

>You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else

>saw her self-absorbed conversation problem!

>

>I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was

>visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses

>not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would

>actually want to bless her in any way.

>

>It angers me and saddens me so much.

>

>On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving

>thoughts to you all!

>

>Fiona

--

Katrina

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Sounds like projecting to me; your nada was accusing this friend of having

ulterior motives in giving the gift, because she herself probably uses

gift-giving as a manipulative tool.

My nada too was rather paranoid, and suspected dark ulterior motives in other

people, suspected that she was being lied to, being manipulated, etc. This

wasn't transient with my nada, she had negative cognitive distortions like that

her whole life.

When she was extra-stressed, the paranoia and delusions would become

extra-pronounced. It was on a vacation with nada and an elderly great-aunt of

ours that nada first exhibited sudden, extreme paranoia and delusional thinking

about this great-aunt, who was nothing but a sweet, angelic person and who (up

until that trip, apparently) had always been nada's favorite aunt. Something

about travel apparently really, really stressed out my nada; she was practically

guaranteed to be at her worst when on a vacation, particularly an overseas

vacation.

So, " transient, stress-related paranoid and delusional ideation " is a diagnostic

trait of bpd. But my Sister speculates that our nada may have had something

else, some kind of psychotic disorder like mild schizophrenia or something, to

explain her chronic, ongoing, intransigent negative, paranoid, delusional

thinking. (For her whole life, my nada was convinced that her parents had been

horrible to her, that my dad was constantly cheating on her with other women,

and that I hated her and rejected her when I was an infant.)

-Annie

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Just venting.

>

> I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her

phone friend made her.

> I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries

on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call

each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast,

to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear

--not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and

she'd rather put the brakes on it.

>

>

> So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never

going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift

-- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was

exquisite, warm, and soft.

>

> I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to

me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to

her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to

bitch-slap her so hard.

>

> I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is

VERY expensive, and she used it for you! "   She just " whatevered " me.

>

> There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone

into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she

won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long

story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command,

chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation

problem!

>

> I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a

cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to

believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way.

>

> It angers me and saddens me so much.

>

> On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you

all!

>

> Fiona

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 >

> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM

> Subject: Happy holidays, everyone!

>

>

> I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one

without stress, guilt or fear.

>

> Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012.

>

> Fiona

>

>

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" They don't understand real friendship any more than they understand how to

love their children. "

Katrina, that's so true. I don't know why I get so impatient with nada about not

being open to friendships. Like you said, she doesn't understand it and doesn't

want to. I can't expect anymore from her.

I think Millicent was right (she'd said i probably want nada's phone friend to

keep staying around for my own benefit) and in a way, I know I would be screwed

if phone friend goes away!!

> >Hi everyone,

> >

> >Just venting.

> >

> >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL

> >scarf her phone friend made her.

> >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I

> >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has

> >turned to this woman and they call each other all the

> >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to

> >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's

> >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their

> >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the

> >brakes on it.

> >

> >

> >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows

> >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her

> >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely

> >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite,

> >warm, and soft.

> >

> >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she

> >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably

> >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The

> >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

> >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it

> >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard.

> >

> >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her.

> >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She

> >just " whatevered " me.

> >

> >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not

> >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her

> >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me

> >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally

> >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

> >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me.

> >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else

> >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem!

> >

> >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was

> >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses

> >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would

> >actually want to bless her in any way.

> >

> >It angers me and saddens me so much.

> >

> >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving

> >thoughts to you all!

> >

> >Fiona

>

> --

> Katrina

>

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Yes, I agree, nada was projecting---and you're so right, that IS what she does

(uses gift-giving as a manipulative tool). She will even tell me: " I'm giving

this perfume set to so and so to keep her on my good side... "

Your vacation story with nada and your great-aunt sounded hellish. Bet you

never traveled with her again after that!

Yes, my nada is like that, too. The stress turns her into a savage. The day of

my father's funeral I think she flipped my brother the bird about 2 or 3 times

for things out of his control. (even if they'd been things IN his control, it's

uncalled for)

She hasn't seen her very elderly mother in over 20 years and keeps saying how

her family is guilting her about visiting and how she tells them she can't

" because no one will go with her. " There is NO way I would accompany her to

another continent and agree to be her lapdog for 2 to 3 weeks. Forget it. I can

barely stand going a few blocks with her, she gets so agitated.

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Just venting.

> >

> > I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her

phone friend made her.

> > I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries

on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call

each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast,

to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear

--not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and

she'd rather put the brakes on it.

> >

> >

> > So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never

going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift

-- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was

exquisite, warm, and soft.

> >

> > I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to

me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to

her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to

bitch-slap her so hard.

> >

> > I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is

VERY expensive, and she used it for you! "   She just " whatevered " me.

> >

> > There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone

into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she

won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long

story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command,

chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation

problem!

> >

> > I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in

a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses

to believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way.

> >

> > It angers me and saddens me so much.

> >

> > On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to

you all!

> >

> > Fiona

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Fiona <hermitsdaughter@>

> > To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 >

> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM

> > Subject: Happy holidays, everyone!

> >

> >

> > I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy

holiday....one without stress, guilt or fear.

> >

> > Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012.

> >

> > Fiona

> >

> >

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Fiona, i felt i was a little harsh. Sorry. Your mother sounds just awful.

Sent from my mobile device.

> " They don't understand real friendship any more than they understand how to

> love their children. "

>

> Katrina, that's so true. I don't know why I get so impatient with nada about

not being open to friendships. Like you said, she doesn't understand it and

doesn't want to. I can't expect anymore from her.

>

> I think Millicent was right (she'd said i probably want nada's phone friend to

keep staying around for my own benefit) and in a way, I know I would be screwed

if phone friend goes away!!

>

>

> > >Hi everyone,

> > >

> > >Just venting.

> > >

> > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL

> > >scarf her phone friend made her.

> > >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I

> > >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has

> > >turned to this woman and they call each other all the

> > >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to

> > >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's

> > >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their

> > >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the

> > >brakes on it.

> > >

> > >

> > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows

> > >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her

> > >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely

> > >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite,

> > >warm, and soft.

> > >

> > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she

> > >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably

> > >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The

> > >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

> > >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it

> > >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard.

> > >

> > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her.

> > >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She

> > >just " whatevered " me.

> > >

> > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not

> > >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her

> > >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me

> > >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally

> > >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

> > >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me.

> > >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else

> > >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem!

> > >

> > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was

> > >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses

> > >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would

> > >actually want to bless her in any way.

> > >

> > >It angers me and saddens me so much.

> > >

> > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving

> > >thoughts to you all!

> > >

> > >Fiona

> >

> > --

> > Katrina

> >

>

>

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It's ok. Thank you for your apology.

> > > >Hi everyone,

> > > >

> > > >Just venting.

> > > >

> > > >I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL

> > > >scarf her phone friend made her.

> > > >I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I

> > > >put boundaries on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has

> > > >turned to this woman and they call each other all the

> > > >time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast, to

> > > >dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's

> > > >probably mostly fear --not just of being outside, but of their

> > > >growing friendship. It scares her and she'd rather put the

> > > >brakes on it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows

> > > >nada is never going to invite her to her house) and brought her

> > > >an early Valentine's day gift -- she knit my mother a lovely

> > > >scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was exquisite,

> > > >warm, and soft.

> > > >

> > > >I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she

> > > >probably gave it to me for some ulterior motive, probably

> > > >because her other friend isn't talking to her right now. " The

> > > >part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

> > > >friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it

> > > >was. I wanted to bitch-slap her so hard.

> > > >

> > > >I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her.

> > > >That yarn is VERY expensive, and she used it for you! " She

> > > >just " whatevered " me.

> > > >

> > > >There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not

> > > >let anyone into her life---unless it's on the phone and her

> > > >blabbing her head off, she won't do it. (In fact, she told me

> > > >she was once telling phone friend a very long story and finally

> > > >noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

> > > >still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me.

> > > >You're in command, chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else

> > > >saw her self-absorbed conversation problem!

> > > >

> > > >I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was

> > > >visiting someone in a cave. It's just sad that nada chooses

> > > >not to open up to anybody and chooses to believe nobody would

> > > >actually want to bless her in any way.

> > > >

> > > >It angers me and saddens me so much.

> > > >

> > > >On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving

> > > >thoughts to you all!

> > > >

> > > >Fiona

> > >

> > > --

> > > Katrina

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Oh my, Fiona =( That's just an awful attitude to have, and I think it

says way more about your nada than she expects it to. Perhaps some

type of projection? Is she known for giving gifts because she has

ulterior motives? Or is she doing some kind of waif thing, or as I

call it, " nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I'm gonna eat some

worms " .

I can understand how this frustrates you, I really can. But this is

her problem, not yours. She's all ready made up her mind that this

woman doesn't like her and any indication to the contrary is just

going to fall onto deaf ears.

Sorry she's being like that. Her " phone friend " sounds very sweet,

though. I hope she doesn't get BPD burned. >.<

Mia

>

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Just venting.

>

> I went to visit nada last weekend and she showed me a BEAUTIFUL scarf her

phone friend made her.

> I call this woman my mother's " phone friend " b/c ever since I put boundaries

on our 4-6x a day phone calls, my mother has turned to this woman and they call

each other all the time. BUT this woman invites nada constantly to breakfast,

to dinner, to shopping. Nada just won't go. I think it's probably mostly fear

--not just of being outside, but of their growing friendship. It scares her and

she'd rather put the brakes on it.

>

> So, her friend went to nada's workplace (prob b/c she knows nada is never

going to invite her to her house) and brought her an early Valentine's day gift

-- she knit my mother a lovely scarf. I crochet so I know yarn prices. It was

exquisite, warm, and soft.

>

> I couldn't believe nada's attitude. She just said, " she probably gave it to

me for some ulterior motive, probably because her other friend isn't talking to

her right now. " The part that pissed me off was that she told me she asked her

friend why she made it so big and complained about how long it was. I wanted to

bitch-slap her so hard.

>

> I said, " I don't think you understand how much this cost her. That yarn is

VERY expensive, and she used it for you! "   She just " whatevered " me.

>

> There's no pleasing her. It's unnerving how she simply will not let anyone

into her life---unless it's on the phone and her blabbing her head off, she

won't do it. (In fact, she told me she was once telling phone friend a very long

story and finally noticed she wasn't saying anything and asked her if she was

still there. Her friend said, " I didn't think you needed me. You're in command,

chief! " ha ha!!! I loved that someone else saw her self-absorbed conversation

problem!

>

> I was so glad to get out of her apt...I felt like I was visiting someone in a

cave. It's just sad that nada chooses not to open up to anybody and chooses to

believe nobody would actually want to bless her in any way.

>

> It angers me and saddens me so much.

>

> On a more upbeat note, happy Valentine's day, everyone; loving thoughts to you

all!

>

> Fiona

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " WTOAdultChildren1 " <WTOAdultChildren1 >

> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:29 AM

> Subject: Happy holidays, everyone!

>

>

> I'll be away next week and wanted to wish my KO family a happy holiday....one

without stress, guilt or fear.

>

> Sincere wishes for healing and joy in 2012.

>

> Fiona

>

>

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