Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 It's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I know about all the other suppliment and the effect just wondered how much vitamin A u would ve to take to overdose??Sent from my iPhoneIt's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Interesting and informative articleThank u!!!Sent from my iPhoneIt's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 your welcome! Now I really need to get to work... Lol! ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Interesting and informative articleThank u!!!Sent from my iPhoneIt's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 U r right Cheryl, as am I, I am angry and having a rant and I ve over stated some point, I feel this could be the place for me to ve a good rant and hope everyone sees that.Love u all TendaiSent from my iPhoneIt's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Enjoy work, while I get ready for bed in an hour or so it's 2200hrs here.Lol Sent from my iPhone U r right Cheryl, as am I, I am angry and having a rant and I ve over stated some point, I feel this could be the place for me to ve a good rant and hope everyone sees that.Love u all TendaiSent from my iPhoneIt's very much possible. And very much happens. And the fact that you don't know this is exactly why fear is not how you motivate people to listen. I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, I respect you very much. I don't underestimate people and their understanding. I'm realistic because experience has taught me to be. Not everyone can remain rational under these circumstances. There's a *reason* why I responded the way I did - it happens and it happens often. On this very list and others like it every day. Here's a post I wrote about someone that was on *this list* that overdosed Vitamin A.http://gryffinstail.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/when-common-sense-isnt-enough-vitamin-a-toxicity/Biomed is as much a teaching experience as it is a learning experience. You can't just expect everyone to know. You didn't know you can OD on vitamin A. What make you think other people will automatically know that?Just because it's a vitamin, it does *not* mean you can't overdose. You can overdose on many vitamins and supplements. Too much calcium, in extreme overdose situations can cause coma. Excessive zinc can cause and neuropathy and muscle weakness. How many times has someone come on this list and asked why their kids' hands and feet are tingling? How many times have parents asked why their kids seem to have low muscle tone? And how many have first questioned whether or not they were overdosing something? Not many. Because they don't expect to need to. That's the problem with creating fear. Making people fear traditional medicine, more often than not, causes people to blindly trust the alternatives because it's "better" or "safer." The reality is, you still have to understand what you are doing; not just be afraid of what you are now choosing not to do.And you may understand exactly what you mean by "be scared". Many people do. But there are also many people that see "Be scared!!!!!" and well, they get scared. It's not just the message that's important, it's the presentation and screaming like Chicken Little is not going to help anyone no matter how right the message is. How many times has anyone ever decided to allow a fanatic to explain their position after they've gone and screamed at everyone for not listening? Intent and what is said don't always line up. If you think everyone is smart enough to know, you're forgetting that there are a lot of very scared parents out there that don't know what to do and will listen to anything. They just want hope and if you're offering, they're listening. It doesn't mean they are listening and they know what to do or how to do it. Someone says add zinc, they add zinc. How many will research how much is too much? I know what you meant. I knew what you meant the moment I read it. That doesn't change my response because as you can see from the book I wrote above, this kind of run for the hills attitude is prevalent and hurting the cause of our children. It makes us all look bad. You can teach people caution without teaching them to be reactionary. You can say I don't give them enough credit. That's fine. I'll be the bad guy if that means more people won't overdose their kid on Vitamin A or refuse antbiotics and end up being hospitalized. I'll take the hit for that. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Not sure it is possible to overdose on vitamin????Sent from my iPhoneAnd this is exactly why people end up overdosing on Vitamin A and nearly killing their child; or here's one: the parent that was terrified to give antibiotics when their child got Salmonella. Or the one that refused antibiotics when their kid had MRSA and ended up hospitalized. This happens daily. And then the guilt they feel for being so irrational when they find out what they've done turns them away from biomed for good. Being skeptical, questioning and educated is not the same thing as being scared and dangerous. Telling people they aren't scared enough is no better than telling them they should vaccinate because Big Pharma says so.*This* is why people think we're crackpots. *This* is why no one takes us seriously. If you can't be rational about how you treat your child or teach other people, how does you expect to be listened to rationally? We can all learn biomed without becoming fear mongers, haters, and the crazy lady down the street. You should be angry. You should be disgusted. But fear is only going to create more fear.I agree with you, we trust medications and doctors far too much but it's not the fault of the medications or the doctors. It's a faulty system of education, research, and dissemination on top of politics and money. Screaming like a paranoid conspiracy theorist (which I am, and proud of it - but quietly - little black helicopters abound ) isn't likely going to get anyone to listen. But it's definitely going to cause people to hurt themselves or their kids. Everyone loses. <skullsignatureb & wsepiahandcoloredsmall.png>~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ My last rant, as for biomedical field scaring ppl I say we r not even as scared as we should be!!!!! And still trust medications and drs far tooooo much. Happy days and high profit margins for the phamacutical companies which they pass to the drs by way of holidays if they prescribe their medications to us.Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: AlbuterolRemember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well.He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine.I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly.Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know.I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi,My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. ThanksRenu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 lolllllll"like"To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:13 PMSubject: Re: Albuterol Yes Channa, just for a little while, will give them back to u soon,Love TendaiSent from my iPhone Hey Tendai! Did you take my angry eyes? I been looking for them all over!!!!! LOL! from toy story mrs. potatoe head? (just trying to make you laugh girlfriend) channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:28 AMSubject: Re: Albuterol Agree wth most u ve said, but medicine and pharmaceutical companies cooked up the shit vaccines our kids r given, they sure could try and make them safer and remove the metals in them but why the F..... should they it cost tooooo much and will hit their profit margins So I personal will think twice b4 I give my babies any more shit just cause some dr has looked in his prescription guide book to see what fits the symptoms my babies have and they shit one size fits all treatment is toooo scary so let any of us worry b4 we pour some of the shit down our babies or us. Take good care what u get given and check a hundred times b4 u take it. Should ve done that wth the vaccines and the many antibiotics I poured down my son just cause I was told it was good for him. Now he is on ASD spectrum the doors to their help is minimal and SHOCK of horror they is nothing they can do but speech therapy and ABA is the answer. Quick to dish out shit and shit to help when it all goes wrong. Happy days everyone Love TendaiSent from my iPhone GREAT post, Cheryl. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: Albuterol Remember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well. He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine. I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly. Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know. I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101 ~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~ ~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi, My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. Thanks Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Amen Cheryl! Pamela From: mb12valtrex [mailto:mb12valtrex ] On Behalf Of cheryl biomed.momSent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:37 PMTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Albuterol Remember to be reasonable. When your child is sick, the most important thing is how to keep your child comfortable and get him healthy again. Sometimes that means giving things we wouldn't normally like to give. Medicine is necessary. It's not evil, just not used well. He's got a fever, he's in pain and he's coughing and can't breath. Give him the medicine. You can figure out how to start preventing it biomedically now but that doesn't mean you need to avoid giving medicine. I get so frustrated when I come online and find email posts that question giving their kids medicine they clearly need because I feel like as great as biomed is, and as much help as it gives our children, we scare the bejeezus out of people so much they become paralyzed when it comes to medical treatment and modern medicine. They question things so much they end up doing way more harm than good because they've been convince that the medicine is going to do serious damage that they can't come back from. Sometimes that can be true. But not often. I know it happens with laughing gas - that can really cause a huge backslide - but laughing gas isn't a medicine that is meant to heal, it's an anesthetic, for which there are other options. There are a couple other things, too but mostly these things are not bad because they are evil and dangerous - they are just used improperly. Are dyes good for your kid? No, they aren't good for any kid or adult. But what's more important? Dyes aren't going to kill your child. Not breathing... Remember to keep things in perspective. It's hard not to get carried away with the hype, I know. I think of modern medicine like addicts. Use it in moderation and it's likely to do a lot more good than harm. Do it excessively and you end up in a world of hurt. We got here from excessive medicine. Mainstream medicine is an addict - excessive is what they can't help but do because they got a little taste of good and if a little is good, more must be better. ~Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Hi, My 3yrs 4months son is having severe chest congestion with mild wheezing. He is coughing real bad. His ped has prescribed Albuterol 4ml - 3 times a day. They told at the pharmacy that this med has strawberry flavor and also has color/dyes in it. I'm desperate for my son's cough to reduce. He also has 102 temp. He is on motrin for fever. Please let me know what to do... Is Albuterol ok during GFCF diet? He is also on MB12 shots and a probiotic. Thanks Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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