Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys :)Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Noel,I neglected to mention, our most noticeable improvement which at least to some degree is related to adding phos chol/piracetam & vinpocetine was an increase in auditory processing speed and response time from a 3-4 second delay to 0-2 second delay. Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 I'm not sure IsabelSent from my iPhone Wonder if it is the same ???CDP Choline (cytidine 5-diphosphocholine)250 mgThank you.Enviado desde mi iPadEl 13/03/2012, a las 18:43, Hammes escribió: Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Wonder if it is the same ???CDP Choline (cytidine 5-diphosphocholine)250 mgThank you.Enviado desde mi iPadEl 13/03/2012, a las 18:43, Hammes escribió: Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 It's a cognitive enhancer. Just an FYI, you'll find better results with it if you add in nootropics. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Another FYI: Most nootropics are choline depleters, that's why you need to take PC with it. But it's also a cognitive enhancer itself. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys :)Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Dorfman's book "what's eating your child" has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago).There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ).-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb )..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPadEl 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book "what's eating your child" has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago).There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Found this on the internet...it's written up by the manufacturers of phoschol..http://www.phoschol.com/conferences/dan2007/Anyone used Phoschol? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ).-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb )..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPadEl 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book "what's eating your child" has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago).There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Isabel,I am unable to answer these questions.Sorry!Sent from my iPhone Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ).-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb )..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPadEl 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book "what's eating your child" has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago).There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 PC is not always derived from Soy. Soy is the cheapest source of PC (also if you know someone who works in Soy industry, they will tell you why so) You can get PC made from Sunflower or even egg yolk (expensive) With drugs like Piracetam, DS was prescribed Piracetam at his first diagnosis but my research on Piracetam is conflicting, so after reading this, I am little wary.Noel Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ) ..-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb ). ..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPad El 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book " what's eating your child " has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago). There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I read that too yesterday but there seems to be no or little evidence to what they describe in those pdfs. Plus, I compared many brands of PC and this is not the most cost effective brand. Although they claim that this is purest form, PC35 or PC 45 can be obtained lot cheaper and dose can be standardised to purest form of PC which PhosChol claims to be. If I go this route, this is not the brand I will be going for. Puritan triple strength is lot cheaper. Found this on the internet...it's written up by the manufacturers of phoschol.. http://www.phoschol.com/conferences/dan2007/Anyone used Phoschol? To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ) ..-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb ). ..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPad El 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book " what's eating your child " has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago). There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Great points, thanks. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine I read that too yesterday but there seems to be no or little evidence to what they describe in those pdfs. Plus, I compared many brands of PC and this is not the most cost effective brand. Although they claim that this is purest form, PC35 or PC 45 can be obtained lot cheaper and dose can be standardised to purest form of PC which PhosChol claims to be. If I go this route, this is not the brand I will be going for. Puritan triple strength is lot cheaper. Found this on the internet...it's written up by the manufacturers of phoschol.. http://www.phoschol.com/conferences/dan2007/Anyone used Phoschol? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:53 AM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Sorry , some questions about phosphatidylcholine and nootropics ...-PC Is always derived from soy ? My daughter cant take soy ... Thats why i was looking for another form of choline ( CDP citicholine ??? ) ..-I have at home vinpocetine , piracetam and aniracetam ( cognitive nutrition) since several mounths but i havent start because i am not sure . My DAN has not experience with nootropics and i dont know the dose and possibles side effects . I dont know if there is any incompatibility with other supplements . And i dont know the doses of nootropics and the amounth of phosphatidylcholine she need to take with it ( .my daughter is 40 lb ). ..- my daughter have paroxistical activity in brain and she is not with rx , is ther any problem taking nootropics ?Thank you very much in advance Isabel Enviado desde mi iPad El 14/03/2012, a las 01:47, S B escribió: Dorfman's book "what's eating your child" has a chapter about dyspraxia in which she recommends taking fish oils, vitamine e and phosphatpdylcoline to aid the coordination between the language and motor centers...if I remember correct. (I read the book a yr ago). There is an explanation in her chapter about how the chemistry works. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Yes that's it. Cheaper from Swansons. Greasy yellow stuff so watch your good suits and Sunday best ;)Taking at least 6 mos.Sent from my iPhone Thank you for your repsonse. I wonder if you see any (noticeable) change since starting? How long is he taking?Just wanted to confirm that we are talking about the following product. http://www.amazon.com/Country-Life-Phosphatidyl-Choline-200-Softgels/dp/B000168GEK Noel YesHe takes 1 country life softgel pierced and squeezed into yogurt daily. It helps liver, improves cognition and off sets any headaches that might be caused by nootropics: eg piracetam. My DAN did not explain all this to me. Most of the info came from you guys Sent from my iPhone Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help "wash" cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly.Sylvia Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using?- Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel 1 of 1 File(s) BodyBio Bulletin - Phosphatidylcholine Life's Designer Molecule.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yes, it can be added with Glutathione. I am not too sure if by IV. About the treatment, I am sure someone else will answer, I do not have any experience. Can this be added to IV Glutathione? I believe this is the thing that my daughter's DAN said he was going to add into her next Glutathione push. Anyone ever get this treatment? > My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help " wash " cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly. > Sylvia > > <BodyBio Bulletin - Phosphatidylcholine Life's Designer Molecule.pdf> > > > > >> >> Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, >> - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)? >> - What brand have you tried or using? >> - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Noel >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Yes, it can be IV. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~~ Make a biomed book ~~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ Can this be added to IV Glutathione? I believe this is the thing that my daughter's DAN said he was going to add into her next Glutathione push. Anyone ever get this treatment? > My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help "wash" cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly. > Sylvia > > <BodyBio Bulletin - Phosphatidylcholine Life's Designer Molecule.pdf> > > > > >> >> Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, >> - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)? >> - What brand have you tried or using? >> - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Noel >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 We tried phoscholine. Swanson brand. Worked our way up to about 1500mg/day. Didn't hurt, didn't help. Stopped it after about two months because I didn't want to continue giving so much soy if it we weren't seeing fantastic, over-the-top results Tammy Sent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 Noel,You're right that Omega-6 can be pro-inflammatory. The reason Body Bio uses 4:1 ratio is based on Kane's work over many decades in lipid research. She argues that 4:1 is actually the correct ratio and that an excess of omega-3s (particularly DHA) can be detrimental. It may be why some kids respond poorly to excess omega-3s over time. I've mostly read textbook articles by her and haven't seen original publications. I have more digging to do. You're also right that there is certainly a potential conflict of interest in that she started bodybio. However her research and work in neurological disorders predates the start of bodybio by many years. I don't give PC to my child yet. I take it myself and use the bodybio brand (have some mild memory issues and tendency toward depression/irritability). But I am considering PC for my child. I am not worried about excess omega-6s for my child at the moment. We did a complete fatty acid analysis at the Kennedy-Krieger Center (at Hopkins) and Kane is using that data to consult on our case. When she consults, she creates individualized regimens based on those fatty acid analysis results and other lab data. My doctor, who I trust very much and generally uses a very holistic/integrative approach, has worked with Pat Kane on a number of occasions in the past, mostly for refractory seizure patients. She has been impressed by the results she's seen when she uses Kane's recommendations, which sometimes include IV formulations of various fatty acids and minerals. Anyway, I will post some more when I have more data. I posted the bulletin in a hurry.Best,Sylvia Thanks for the bulletin. It has some information that could be of use esp. difference between lecithin and PC. My only concern is the author may have financial interest with BodyBio and in such conflict of interest, I take information with a pinch of salt. Plus, Pubmed search gives loads of articles on PC but majority of them talk on cell lines and there is very little patient study. The bulletin gives examples of different patients but someone can argue as isolated cases. The only papers/clinical trials that I came across were conducted for indication of ulcerative colitis and hence my interest in this product increased. AFAIK, no such studies are performed on any other indication. PC is a component of cell membrane and what you said sounds perfect in theory but the question is, does taking PC supplement really work in practice, taking into account the fact that hypothesis is postulated when all works in harmony. Here are our kids, where practically (IMO) we don't know whats wrong and we are taking different approaches. Before someone comes up and says, something helped my child and they can show me 100 more kids with similar cases, may be true but unless we 'prove' it, I find it difficult to digest. (and yes, there are few studies where autism is linked to certain issues with good level of confidence) A parent may not need a proof but I need it. I am not going to make my child a guinea pig (and honestly that is whole case that is putting me on the fence with BioMed and I am cherry picking the information you folks offer. THANKS for all info all the time).. That brings to a second question, if excess of PC is administered, does anyone know of toxicity or any ill effects? How does the body handle it? With BodyBio, the formulation is 4:1 ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3. My reading tells me that we should have less of Omega 6 which is pro-inflmmatory. There is much research that is pointing autism towards inflammation. If that holds true, should we administer a preparation that is high in Omega 6 (plus the kids gets omega 6 from other sources) for the sake of PC? It does state on the website that other formulation are 12:1 proportion. There is no proof to that. I am going to write to the companies I will short list to verify this information. PhosChol also trumps to be the best form of PC but their method of extraction is probably different (I read it but its not on top of my head at the moment) @ Sylvia,Does your doc have any recommendation for the brand? If yes, does he have any reasoning behind it? How much does he recommend daily? If I am wrong anywhere, pls correct me. I don't intend to create any uproar. My only point is, my child (or any child for that matter) will and should not be a guinea pig. I am looking at Pubmed just as a pointer (I honestly don't trust all papers either) I belong to that clan and I know there are people that do bad science. Noel My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help "wash" cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly. Sylvia Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sylvia, I am glad you are getting positive results of working with Kane, doesn't matter then if there is a conflict of interest. From whatever I have read and understood, I find it difficult to agree that excess Omega 3 is detrimental (as otherwise all eskimos and Greenlanders would have had some or the other issue in the past) but still would like to see what Kane has to say. I will be glad if you could post her research. I am not supplementing DS with even Omega 3 that he needs (as he really really hates that oily stuff) but I am planning to ramp up the dose if I find a decent formulation. A while ago, I came across a British formulation called as Brainwise, it was brilliant formulation. Great Omega 3 numbers but not at all fishy or oily which he loved but I don't seem to find it here in the US. If anybody has a ny recommendation for Omega 3, would love it. With regards to PC, what brand of PC do you use? Could you offer a weblink please? and how is your dosing? Is it as and when needed or you maintain a daily dose (sorry, too many questions) Noel Noel,You're right that Omega-6 can be pro-inflammatory. The reason Body Bio uses 4:1 ratio is based on Kane's work over many decades in lipid research. She argues that 4:1 is actually the correct ratio and that an excess of omega-3s (particularly DHA) can be detrimental. It may be why some kids respond poorly to excess omega-3s over time. I've mostly read textbook articles by her and haven't seen original publications. I have more digging to do. You're also right that there is certainly a potential conflict of interest in that she started bodybio. However her research and work in neurological disorders predates the start of bodybio by many years. I don't give PC to my child yet. I take it myself and use the bodybio brand (have some mild memory issues and tendency toward depression/irritability). But I am considering PC for my child. I am not worried about excess omega-6s for my child at the moment. We did a complete fatty acid analysis at the Kennedy-Krieger Center (at Hopkins) and Kane is using that data to consult on our case. When she consults, she creates individualized regimens based on those fatty acid analysis results and other lab data. My doctor, who I trust very much and generally uses a very holistic/integrative approach, has worked with Pat Kane on a number of occasions in the past, mostly for refractory seizure patients. She has been impressed by the results she's seen when she uses Kane's recommendations, which sometimes include IV formulations of various fatty acids and minerals. Anyway, I will post some more when I have more data. I posted the bulletin in a hurry.Best,Sylvia Thanks for the bulletin. It has some information that could be of use esp. difference between lecithin and PC. My only concern is the author may have financial interest with BodyBio and in such conflict of interest, I take information with a pinch of salt. Plus, Pubmed search gives loads of articles on PC but majority of them talk on cell lines and there is very little patient study. The bulletin gives examples of different patients but someone can argue as isolated cases. The only papers/clinical trials that I came across were conducted for indication of ulcerative colitis and hence my interest in this product increased. AFAIK, no such studies are performed on any other indication. PC is a component of cell membrane and what you said sounds perfect in theory but the question is, does taking PC supplement really work in practice, taking into account the fact that hypothesis is postulated when all works in harmony. Here are our kids, where practically (IMO) we don't know whats wrong and we are taking different approaches. Before someone comes up and says, something helped my child and they can show me 100 more kids with similar cases, may be true but unless we 'prove' it, I find it difficult to digest. (and yes, there are few studies where autism is linked to certain issues with good level of confidence) A parent may not need a proof but I need it. I am not going to make my child a guinea pig (and honestly that is whole case that is putting me on the fence with BioMed and I am cherry picking the information you folks offer. THANKS for all info all the time).. That brings to a second question, if excess of PC is administered, does anyone know of toxicity or any ill effects? How does the body handle it? With BodyBio, the formulation is 4:1 ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3. My reading tells me that we should have less of Omega 6 which is pro-inflmmatory. There is much research that is pointing autism towards inflammation. If that holds true, should we administer a preparation that is high in Omega 6 (plus the kids gets omega 6 from other sources) for the sake of PC? It does state on the website that other formulation are 12:1 proportion. There is no proof to that. I am going to write to the companies I will short list to verify this information. PhosChol also trumps to be the best form of PC but their method of extraction is probably different (I read it but its not on top of my head at the moment) @ Sylvia,Does your doc have any recommendation for the brand? If yes, does he have any reasoning behind it? How much does he recommend daily? If I am wrong anywhere, pls correct me. I don't intend to create any uproar. My only point is, my child (or any child for that matter) will and should not be a guinea pig. I am looking at Pubmed just as a pointer (I honestly don't trust all papers either) I belong to that clan and I know there are people that do bad science. Noel My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help " wash " cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly. Sylvia Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)?- What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance.Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Thank you for your information. To be very honest with you, I had a great opinion of Swanson brand but now I started thinking they are not really that good. To give you an example, I used their butterbur extract for my migraine. During the use, I came across a publication where they mentioed that unless this extract is made by a certain extraction procedure, its essentially just dust. I wrote Swanson twice for their extraction procedure, didn't receive any answer. After completing my trial with butterbur and no results, I posted a honest review, also mentioned about this extraction procedure and my review was not posted on the website. So looks like, they do cherry pick the reviews. If you ask me, I would not buy anything from them again. IMO, You get what you pay for (unless you do research sometimes) Noel We tried phoscholine. Swanson brand. Worked our way up to about 1500mg/day. Didn't hurt, didn't help. Stopped it after about two months because I didn't want to continue giving so much soy if it we weren't seeing fantastic, over-the-top results Tammy Sent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Agreed. I love some of their stuff, and others I could take or leave. I've always had pretty good luck receiving responses from them when I've had questions or complaints...and Ive read plenty of not so good reviews. I wouldnt put it past them, though...you know you can write that review on amazon and there's nothing they can do ; ) Thanks for the heads-up. Tammy Sent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry, can someone tell me what is PC mean? Thanks, To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:01 AMSubject: Re: Phosphatidylcholine Sylvia, I am glad you are getting positive results of working with Kane, doesn't matter then if there is a conflict of interest. From whatever I have read and understood, I find it difficult to agree that excess Omega 3 is detrimental (as otherwise all eskimos and Greenlanders would have had some or the other issue in the past) but still would like to see what Kane has to say. I will be glad if you could post her research. I am not supplementing DS with even Omega 3 that he needs (as he really really hates that oily stuff) but I am planning to ramp up the dose if I find a decent formulation. A while ago, I came across a British formulation called as Brainwise, it was brilliant formulation. Great Omega 3 numbers but not at all fishy or oily which he loved but I don't seem to find it here in the US. If anybody has a ny recommendation for Omega 3, would love it. With regards to PC, what brand of PC do you use? Could you offer a weblink please? and how is your dosing? Is it as and when needed or you maintain a daily dose (sorry, too many questions) Noel Noel, You're right that Omega-6 can be pro-inflammatory. The reason Body Bio uses 4:1 ratio is based on Kane's work over many decades in lipid research. She argues that 4:1 is actually the correct ratio and that an excess of omega-3s (particularly DHA) can be detrimental. It may be why some kids respond poorly to excess omega-3s over time. I've mostly read textbook articles by her and haven't seen original publications. I have more digging to do. You're also right that there is certainly a potential conflict of interest in that she started bodybio. However her research and work in neurological disorders predates the start of bodybio by many years. I don't give PC to my child yet. I take it myself and use the bodybio brand (have some mild memory issues and tendency toward depression/irritability). But I am considering PC for my child. I am not worried about excess omega-6s for my child at the moment. We did a complete fatty acid analysis at the Kennedy-Krieger Center (at Hopkins) and Kane is using that data to consult on our case. When she consults, she creates individualized regimens based on those fatty acid analysis results and other lab data. My doctor, who I trust very much and generally uses a very holistic/integrative approach, has worked with Pat Kane on a number of occasions in the past, mostly for refractory seizure patients. She has been impressed by the results she's seen when she uses Kane's recommendations, which sometimes include IV formulations of various fatty acids and minerals. Anyway, I will post some more when I have more data. I posted the bulletin in a hurry. Best, Sylvia Thanks for the bulletin. It has some information that could be of use esp. difference between lecithin and PC. My only concern is the author may have financial interest with BodyBio and in such conflict of interest, I take information with a pinch of salt. Plus, Pubmed search gives loads of articles on PC but majority of them talk on cell lines and there is very little patient study. The bulletin gives examples of different patients but someone can argue as isolated cases. The only papers/clinical trials that I came across were conducted for indication of ulcerative colitis and hence my interest in this product increased. AFAIK, no such studies are performed on any other indication. PC is a component of cell membrane and what you said sounds perfect in theory but the question is, does taking PC supplement really work in practice, taking into account the fact that hypothesis is postulated when all works in harmony. Here are our kids, where practically (IMO) we don't know whats wrong and we are taking different approaches. Before someone comes up and says, something helped my child and they can show me 100 more kids with similar cases, may be true but unless we 'prove' it, I find it difficult to digest. (and yes, there are few studies where autism is linked to certain issues with good level of confidence) A parent may not need a proof but I need it. I am not going to make my child a guinea pig (and honestly that is whole case that is putting me on the fence with BioMed and I am cherry picking the information you folks offer. THANKS for all info all the time).. That brings to a second question, if excess of PC is administered, does anyone know of toxicity or any ill effects? How does the body handle it? With BodyBio, the formulation is 4:1 ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3. My reading tells me that we should have less of Omega 6 which is pro-inflmmatory. There is much research that is pointing autism towards inflammation. If that holds true, should we administer a preparation that is high in Omega 6 (plus the kids gets omega 6 from other sources) for the sake of PC? It does state on the website that other formulation are 12:1 proportion. There is no proof to that. I am going to write to the companies I will short list to verify this information. PhosChol also trumps to be the best form of PC but their method of extraction is probably different (I read it but its not on top of my head at the moment) @ Sylvia, Does your doc have any recommendation for the brand? If yes, does he have any reasoning behind it? How much does he recommend daily? If I am wrong anywhere, pls correct me. I don't intend to create any uproar. My only point is, my child (or any child for that matter) will and should not be a guinea pig. I am looking at Pubmed just as a pointer (I honestly don't trust all papers either) I belong to that clan and I know there are people that do bad science. Noel My understanding is that phosphatidylcholine (PC) is one of the primary phospholipids that make up the cell membrane. Cell membrane function is crucial and can be disrupted by toxicity (organophosphates, metals etc..). I'm attaching a flyer from Kane Ph.D. She writes a lot on fatty acid metabolism and cell membrane function in a variety of neurological disorders, including autism. My doc feels that providing an abundance of PC can help "wash" cell membranes, providing them with new substrate to repair damage and making sure that new cells that are formed (cells that turn over frequently like immune and blood cells) have enough substrate to form properly. Sylvia Wondering if anyone here using Phosphatidylcholine. If yes, - What is the purpose (told to you by your DAN! or what you understood)? - What brand have you tried or using? - Did you see any noticeable change? If yes, what is it? Pls report even if you didn't see any change and you discontinued (after x months of use.) Thanks in advance. Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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