Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

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In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA.  Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child.  In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times.  I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest.  And, I can't help but to think that Maia is " catching the scent " of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on.  Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her. 

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication?  What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her?  I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children.  But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children.  That would be VERY bad.  I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this. 

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection.  She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too. 

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites?  I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine.  When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, " GO AHEAD... " and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off.  I know 100% that she understands. 

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

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Well, my sons teacher used to ignore a kid that did this to her... once I went there to see her, she was just been bitten by him, and she say NO in a authoritative manner whiteout yelling... and then she just ignored him, I'm not sure how she handled it completely, but I know it worked, because when I call her the next week, she said that the boy stop doing it. She mentioned to me that that could be a way to get attention and they will keep doing it if you are not clear with them about not doing it again, maybe that is why when you told her to her to stop it at home she did stopped as you were serious about it. Maybe the new teacher should show her that it is not an OK behavior instead of letting her bit her.Maybe is just a stage, my neurotypical son did this for almost half of

the school year, Just my comment...SashaTo: m12valtrex <mb12valtrex >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:36:48 PMSubject: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication? What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children. But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she understands.

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

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Biting can also be a sign of sensory overstimulation. If the aide could give sensory supports that is usually helpful.RuthSent from my iPhone

Well, my sons teacher used to ignore a kid that did this to her... once I went there to see her, she was just been bitten by him, and she say NO in a authoritative manner whiteout yelling... and then she just ignored him, I'm not sure how she handled it completely, but I know it worked, because when I call her the next week, she said that the boy stop doing it. She mentioned to me that that could be a way to get attention and they will keep doing it if you are not clear with them about not doing it again, maybe that is why when you told her to her to stop it at home she did stopped as you were serious about it. Maybe the new teacher should show her that it is not an OK behavior instead of letting her bit her.Maybe is just a stage, my neurotypical son did this for almost half of

the school year, Just my comment...SashaTo: m12valtrex <mb12valtrex >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:36:48 PMSubject: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication? What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children. But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she understands.

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

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Biting is usually bacteria. I would try flagyl or possibly augmentin and ignore

the behavior so as not to reinforce.

>

> In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been

> a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are

> very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with

> behavior.

>

> I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the

> first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but

> now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think

> that Maia is " catching the scent " of a newbie and senses that the EA is

> afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked

> off?

>

> The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not

> terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they

> proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

>

> Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in

> working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite

> me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her

> and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that),

> she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very

> very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because

> she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she

> knows he'll get very mad...

>

> and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form

> of communication?

>

> What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told

> the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA

> doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the

> class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with

> other children. But I *really *don't want this to behavior to be acquired

> and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other

> children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this

> person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her

> and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

>

> I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday

> but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.

>

> Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get

> better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear

> infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit

> the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos

> again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine

> now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those

> days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while

> the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it

> differently).

>

> Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and

> no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with

> handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get

> away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

>

> Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never

> encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that

> it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got

> really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play

> with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at

> her and said, " GO AHEAD... " and I gave this look to her like she's going to

> be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she

> understands.

>

> But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when

> she's away from me???

>

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hm. I'm going to think about this..... (I'm so sorry. Secretly I laughed a little. Maybe the EA isn't as "poor" and "sweet" as you think ; )Seriously though, she really can't start biting, so I'll put on my thinking cap. It's tricky. The teacher is right, you don't want to startle the other kids. Especially if Maia's trying to make friends. She's probably just testing the water with this lady - feeling out the boudaries and expectations. So it's important that this woman is firm with her. I bet she'll feel much more secure and safe with this woman once she draws the line for them. Are all the others teachers very familiar to her? People she's known for a long

time? -Tammy To: m12valtrex <mb12valtrex >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:36 PMSubject: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication? What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children. But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she understands.

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

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If she's having biting behaviors then she needs 2 things. 1, she needs a behavioral assessment to assess the behavior and implement a behavioral plan with clear expectations and methods of tracking progress. And 2, a better trained aide. Clearly Maia's behavior is beyond this aide's capability. Now it's a safety issue, and not just the aide's. My suggestion: call an IEP asap. Address this issue now before it gets worse.

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hm. I'm going to think about this..... (I'm so sorry. Secretly I laughed a little. Maybe the EA isn't as "poor" and "sweet" as you think ; )Seriously though, she really can't start biting, so I'll put on my thinking cap. It's tricky. The teacher is right, you don't want to startle the other kids. Especially if Maia's trying to make friends. She's probably just testing the water with this lady - feeling out the boudaries and expectations. So it's important that this woman is firm with her. I bet she'll feel much more secure and safe with this woman once she draws the line for them. Are all the others teachers very familiar to her? People she's known for a long

time? -Tammy To: m12valtrex <mb12valtrex >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:36 PMSubject: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication? What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children. But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she understands.

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

[Guest guest]

The last OAT we saw, her clostridia markers were quite high and she's on an antibiotic right now for an ear infection, so bacteria is entirely possible.  I'll bet it's just doing a happy dance right now.  Maia's agitated as hell these days and I know the antibiotic for the ears has seriously screwed everything up and I know she's low glutathione, too.  She's got liquid diarrhea right now and has gone 5 times since she got home from school about 4 hours ago.  I have a script for flagyl but I'm hearing it's a really bad idea right now with the oxidative stress and with the ear infection abx, probably not a good time to start it. 

This is not fun.We do have a few sensory things -- a trampoline, chewy tubes -- should I have anything else?

 

Biting is usually bacteria. I would try flagyl or possibly augmentin and ignore the behavior so as not to reinforce.

>

> In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been

> a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are

> very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with

> behavior.

>

> I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the

> first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but

> now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think

> that Maia is " catching the scent " of a newbie and senses that the EA is

> afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked

> off?

>

> The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not

> terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they

> proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

>

> Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in

> working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite

> me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her

> and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that),

> she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very

> very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because

> she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she

> knows he'll get very mad...

>

> and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form

> of communication?

>

> What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told

> the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA

> doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the

> class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with

> other children. But I *really *don't want this to behavior to be acquired

> and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other

> children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this

> person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her

> and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

>

> I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday

> but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.

>

> Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get

> better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear

> infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit

> the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos

> again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine

> now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those

> days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while

> the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it

> differently).

>

> Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and

> no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with

> handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get

> away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

>

> Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never

> encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that

> it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got

> really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play

> with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at

> her and said, " GO AHEAD... " and I gave this look to her like she's going to

> be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she

> understands.

>

> But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when

> she's away from me???

>

[Guest guest]

My son regresses to the biting behavior when he has eggs(even with enzymes) or ashta churnam(its a ayurvedic recipe for digestion). 2 days ago when he insisted to have the eggs at the function, I gave him the egg yellow which is lesser allergic to him. After an hour he came to me and put his teeth to my hand and wanted to bite, but then did not. Its as if he could not help it, but is also realizing its wrong at the same time. Could it be that she is eating something or has started eating something that is allergic to her? The last time he had diarrhea I upped his probiotics and just fed him fermented rice cakes with little honey for 2 days. I heard here honey feeds yeast, but both the rice and honey harden the

stools. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:05 AMSubject: Re: Re: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

The last OAT we saw, her clostridia markers were quite high and she's on an antibiotic right now for an ear infection, so bacteria is entirely possible. I'll bet it's just doing a happy dance right now. Maia's agitated as hell these days and I know the antibiotic for the ears has seriously screwed everything up and I know she's low glutathione, too. She's got liquid diarrhea right now and has gone 5 times since she got home from school about 4 hours ago. I have a script for flagyl but I'm hearing it's a really bad idea right now with the oxidative stress and with the ear infection abx, probably not a good time to start it.

This is not fun.We do have a few sensory things -- a trampoline, chewy tubes -- should I have anything else?

Biting is usually bacteria. I would try flagyl or possibly augmentin and ignore the behavior so as not to reinforce.

>

> In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been

> a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are

> very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with

> behavior.

>

> I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the

> first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but

> now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think

> that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is

> afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked

> off?

>

> The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not

> terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they

> proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

>

> Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in

> working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite

> me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her

> and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that),

> she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very

> very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because

> she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she

> knows he'll get very mad...

>

> and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form

> of communication?

>

> What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told

> the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA

> doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the

> class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with

> other children. But I *really *don't want this to behavior to be acquired

> and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other

> children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this

> person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her

> and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

>

> I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday

> but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.

>

> Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get

> better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear

> infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit

> the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos

> again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine

> now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those

> days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while

> the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it

> differently).

>

> Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and

> no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with

> handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get

> away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

>

> Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never

> encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that

> it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got

> really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play

> with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at

> her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to

> be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she

> understands.

>

> But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when

> she's away from me???

>

[Guest guest]

>>If she's having biting behaviors then she needs 2 things. 1, she needs

a behavioral assessment to assess the behavior and implement a

behavioral plan with clear expectations and methods of tracking

progress. And 2, a better trained aide.Thing is, the EA is being trained and there are resources in place and when there are 2 behaviorists there (which is 4 out of 5 days per week now), Maia knows not to do these things...while the behaviorists are there.  The thing is, she knows it's wrong.  I wouldn't go as far as to say that his woman is incapable, I really don't sense that she's incapable and honestly, I see that she's trying very hard. 

I was trying hard to provoke Maia last night to see what this behavior looks like and I couldn't replicate it.  The EA says that Maia does this " without any warning " .  Maia's pretty affectionate and likes to lean in and do hugs and kisses a lot...and then she goes in for the bite.  The EA thinks that Maia's being affectionate and then suddenly she bites.  And this is so completely weird to me.  She's never done this at home, she's never done this at preschool, with other kids, with any of her dozen of therapists we've worked with (her speech therapist even touches her face all the time for PROMPT therapy and Maia has never made any attempts to bite).  I know Maia is affectionate but not that affectionate.  She likes to give hugs and kisses but I wonder if she's being prompted to do that all the time? 

(Just thinking out loud here, and maybe I'm way off base but I'm just thinking about a behavior workshop I did recently and about the ABCs of behavior)...She is kind of making friends at school...has made friends with this little boy.  I wonder if it's that she wants some space?  The common " consequence " to each time Maia bites is that the EA goes away to clean the bite after Maia bites.  I wonder if it's the consequence Maia's looking for -- if it's that she needs a little space?  Maia didn't have 1:1 support at preschool.  I wonder if she needs her EA to pull back a bit to give her space to " socialize " .  She's always had the ability to get a little space in all her previous programs and preschool because she's never had 1:1 support.  The support ratio is usually 1:3.  In ABA, they give her breaks where she has some free time during her breaks (where the therapist lets her run around in the centre's gym while she makes notes, talks to the senior therapist, works with other kids for a few minutes, and, in doing that, gives her 5-10 minutes of personal space where there's no one hovering over her) and then Maia comes back to work.  Maia's always liked to be fairly independent.  She's gotten to the point where I can just tell her to do something and she'll be happy doing what she can independently.  I wonder if it bugs her that the EA is taking away her independence by crowding her space the entire time she's at school?  She doesn't bite other kids because other kids play and then they go off and do their own thing and Maia can join in again when she's ready.  But if Maia cannot make the words yet to tell her EA, " Hey, can you go away for a few minutes and let me have a few minutes to myself? " maybe the next best most accessible way (from a language perspective) to do this is to bite so that the EA will go to the office and clean the bite area and leave Maia alone (not totally alone but in the class without 1:1 support) for a few minutes.

Over the last 2-3 months, there are times when Maia kicks me out of her room and closes the door.  I walk into her room, she turns me around and points to the door.  I step out the door and she closes her door behind me.  I let it be most of the time because I think everyone needs their personal space and when she gets like that, I just let her have her space, I go do something else and come back in 20 minutes (god knows there's enough to keep me occupied at home with taking care of Ethan and cooking and cleaning -- no problem for me to come back in 20 minutes).  I know when someone is in my personal space for too long, I start to get antsy, and if it persists, I get outright irritable.  It's not even that I don't like them, but I just need a sensory break.  I hate going out with friends and then having my husband hover over me the entire time.  I would prefer it if he just socializes and leave me to socialize, even though I'm not terribly good at socializing.  When my friends would come over to my house, Maia would want to play with them for 10 minutes and then she runs out of the room to have a visual break and then come back and resume whatever game we're playing.  She's always needed some alone time and had different non-verbal ways of expressing it because I don't keep following her around and chasing her down to do stuff with me when I know she's not in the mood.

Most of the time, I think food allergies about other behaviors but not this one.  This behavior has never reared its head with a food reaction before (I've seen the food reactions with her).  She doesn't bite me or anyone else in those same days when she comes home.  I'm thinking about this again -- if a food or supplement caused this, then she would bite Ethan, me or daddy, even when she came home.  I was even blaming it on the ear infection but she had it even when she was doing her ABLLS the other day with her senior therapist and she didn't bite the senior therapist.  The way her biting is seems like a situational behavior, although I'm not sure where she learned it -- perhaps the first time she did it, I think she wasn't feeling well but she noticed that each time she did it, the EA would go away afterwards (to clean the bite area) and then she learned the behavior as a way to tell the EA to go away. 

If I'm right, we're going to have to nip this one in the bud right now and figure out another way for her to tell the EA that she needs space?Any thoughts?  Am I be way off base?

[Guest guest]

Thing is, the EA is being trained and there are resources in place and when there are 2 behaviorists there (which is 4 out of 5 days per week now), Maia knows not to do these things...while the behaviorists are there. The thing is, she knows it's wrong. I wouldn't go as far as to say that his woman is incapable, I really don't sense that she's incapable and honestly, I see that she's trying very hard. Yes, but trying very hard isn't going to help if she doesn't know how to handle it. I'm sure she's very nice and has very good intentions but biting is an extreme behavior. Walking away after getting bitten isn't the best way to handle that situation because yes, it does become a learned behavior. Her reward is that the aide leaves. With better training, she would've known that. Good intentions are great if that's what you needed. But it's not. You need a very well qualified aide. What is the consequence of biting? What is the plan that's in place on how to react to a bite?

I was trying hard to provoke Maia last night to see what this behavior looks like and I couldn't replicate it. The EA says that Maia does this "without any warning". Maia's pretty affectionate and likes to lean in and do hugs and kisses a lot...and then she goes in for the bite. The way her biting is seems like a situational behavior, although I'm not sure where she learned it -- perhaps the first time she did it, I think she wasn't feeling well but she noticed that each time she did it, the EA would go away afterwards (to clean the bite area) and then she learned the behavior as a way to tell the EA to go away.

If I'm right, we're going to have to nip this one in the bud right now and figure out another way for her to tell the EA that she needs space?And *this* is exactly why you need a behavioral assessment. The behavior will be assessed by a behaviorist to determine the antecedent and then come up with a plan to address it. It's fine if you have an idea of why it's happening. It's probably right. But you need clearly written plans in place in your IEP. Otherwise this behavior will come back to haunt you when the SD decides to tell you they need to place her in a lower functioning class or something else equally as unpleasant. She clearly has needs and desires that she's able to communicate to you to some extent if she can kick you out of her room. Why doesn't she have an AC device? It seems like she would be able to use it. And it might very well be something she would be happy to have.

[Guest guest]

Alberta,There is a terrific book called "Educate Toward Recovery" by Schramm. It is textbook expensive so see if your library might order. Three of the chapters in the book can help enormously with this behavior. Be sure to read the one called "the control child"I hope this is helpful!Sent from my iPhone

In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with behavior.

I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think that Maia is "catching the scent" of a newbie and senses that the EA is afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked off?

The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that), she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she knows he'll get very mad...

and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form of communication? What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with other children. But I really don't want this to behavior to be acquired and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it differently).

Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at her and said, "GO AHEAD..." and I gave this look to her like she's going to be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she understands.

But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when she's away from me???

[Guest guest]

you know, you might be on to something. She might be feeling a bit smothered. It could be just her way of saying "Get off me, Lady! I got this!" I'd say the biggest clue is the fact that she ONLY does it to this particular person. Maybe you can do a social story. "When I want to be alone" or "When I can do it by myself", using a few suggestions for non-verbal cues that she can use when she needs to EA to back off. -TammyTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:13 AMSubject: Re: Can you help me troubleshoot a biting behavior?

>>If she's having biting behaviors then she needs 2 things. 1, she needs

a behavioral assessment to assess the behavior and implement a

behavioral plan with clear expectations and methods of tracking

progress. And 2, a better trained aide.Thing is, the EA is being trained and there are resources in place and when there are 2 behaviorists there (which is 4 out of 5 days per week now), Maia knows not to do these things...while the behaviorists are there. The thing is, she knows it's wrong. I wouldn't go as far as to say that his woman is incapable, I really don't sense that she's incapable and honestly, I see that she's trying very hard.

I was trying hard to provoke Maia last night to see what this behavior looks like and I couldn't replicate it. The EA says that Maia does this "without any warning". Maia's pretty affectionate and likes to lean in and do hugs and kisses a lot...and then she goes in for the bite. The EA thinks that Maia's being affectionate and then suddenly she bites. And this is so completely weird to me. She's never done this at home, she's never done this at preschool, with other kids, with any of her dozen of therapists we've worked with (her speech therapist even touches her face all the time for PROMPT therapy and Maia has never made any attempts to bite). I know Maia is affectionate but not that affectionate. She likes to give hugs and kisses but I wonder if she's being prompted to do that all the time?

(Just thinking out loud here, and maybe I'm way off base but I'm just thinking about a behavior workshop I did recently and about the ABCs of behavior)...She is kind of making friends at school...has made friends with this little boy. I wonder if it's that she wants some space? The common "consequence" to each time Maia bites is that the EA goes away to clean the bite after Maia bites. I wonder if it's the consequence Maia's looking for -- if it's that she needs a little space? Maia didn't have 1:1 support at preschool. I wonder if she needs her EA to pull back a bit to give her space to "socialize". She's always had the ability to get a little space in all her previous programs and preschool because she's never had 1:1 support. The support ratio is usually 1:3. In ABA, they give her breaks where she has some free time during her breaks (where the therapist lets her run around in the

centre's gym while she makes notes, talks to the senior therapist, works with other kids for a few minutes, and, in doing that, gives her 5-10 minutes of personal space where there's no one hovering over her) and then Maia comes back to work. Maia's always liked to be fairly independent. She's gotten to the point where I can just tell her to do something and she'll be happy doing what she can independently. I wonder if it bugs her that the EA is taking away her independence by crowding her space the entire time she's at school? She doesn't bite other kids because other kids play and then they go off and do their own thing and Maia can join in again when she's ready. But if Maia cannot make the words yet to tell her EA, "Hey, can you go away for a few minutes and let me have a few minutes to myself?" maybe the next best most accessible way (from a language perspective) to do this is to bite so that the EA will go to the

office and clean the bite area and leave Maia alone (not totally alone but in the class without 1:1 support) for a few minutes.

Over the last 2-3 months, there are times when Maia kicks me out of her room and closes the door. I walk into her room, she turns me around and points to the door. I step out the door and she closes her door behind me. I let it be most of the time because I think everyone needs their personal space and when she gets like that, I just let her have her space, I go do something else and come back in 20 minutes (god knows there's enough to keep me occupied at home with taking care of Ethan and cooking and cleaning -- no problem for me to come back in 20 minutes). I know when someone is in my personal space for too long, I start to get antsy, and if it persists, I get outright irritable. It's not even that I don't like them, but I just need a sensory break. I hate going out with friends and then having my husband hover over me the entire time. I would prefer it if he just socializes and leave me to socialize, even

though I'm not terribly good at socializing. When my friends would come over to my house, Maia would want to play with them for 10 minutes and then she runs out of the room to have a visual break and then come back and resume whatever game we're playing. She's always needed some alone time and had different non-verbal ways of expressing it because I don't keep following her around and chasing her down to do stuff with me when I know she's not in the mood.

Most of the time, I think food allergies about other behaviors but not this one. This behavior has never reared its head with a food reaction before (I've seen the food reactions with her). She doesn't bite me or anyone else in those same days when she comes home. I'm thinking about this again -- if a food or supplement caused this, then she would bite Ethan, me or daddy, even when she came home. I was even blaming it on the ear infection but she had it even when she was doing her ABLLS the other day with her senior therapist and she didn't bite the senior therapist. The way her biting is seems like a situational behavior, although I'm not sure where she learned it -- perhaps the first time she did it, I think she wasn't feeling well but she noticed that each time she did it, the EA would go away afterwards (to clean the bite area) and then she learned the behavior as a way to tell the EA to go away.

If I'm right, we're going to have to nip this one in the bud right now and figure out another way for her to tell the EA that she needs space?Any thoughts? Am I be way off base?

[Guest guest]

I am a 2nd year SLP grad student and a parent of a very mischievious, nonverbal

4yo on the spectrum. I agree that a behavior assessment needs to be done to

find out exactly WHY she's biting. It can be attention-seeking, protesting,

sensory, or boredom.

If it's sensory, I'd definitely look into why she's only biting this ONE person.

Is she wearing perfume that is causing some sort of seeking behavior?

However, it sounds like you've got your daughter pegged...if your intuition says

the EA is being a bit too permissive and your DD is taking advantage of that,

then you're probably right. You know her best!

My son will also try to get away with things at school. He acts like he cannot

do things when I know he can. Feel free to let the EA or the SpecEd teacher

know that YOU do not approve of the letting your daughter get away with

biting...that you find it unacceptable, and that you want them to let her know

that biting is NOT ok, no matter who it is! Make your behavior standards for

her, theirs. Autism or no, she is a kid...kids are squirrely at times (it's

their job to be!) and need to be set straight. This EA may very well be afraid

to " be straight " with your daughter, but it's just one the things she'll have to

learn to do firmly, in the child's best interest. Good luck!

>

> In the last few weeks, Maia has learned to bite her EA. Maia has never been

> a biter but she's also only had contact with kids or mostly adults who are

> very familiar with handling ASD kids who have some more experience with

> behavior.

>

> I don't think Maia's EA had ever worked with an autistic child. In the

> first week of school, Maia bit her several times. I mean, the EA's ok, but

> now Maia uses biting as a form of protest. And, I can't help but to think

> that Maia is " catching the scent " of a newbie and senses that the EA is

> afraid of the bite so she uses it to protest and express that she's ticked

> off?

>

> The poor EA (she's a very young woman, and I get the feeling that she's not

> terribly experienced) lets Maia bite her and then does nothing and they

> proceed on. Today, Maia rubbed the EA's hand where Maia had bitten her.

>

> Maia doesn't bite the autism support teachers (who are very experienced in

> working with ASD kids), has never bitten any of her therapists, doesn't bite

> me (she bit me once when she was around 14 months old and I yelled at her

> and she cried and never bit me again -- I wish she would generalize that),

> she doesn't bite Ethan (because Ethan would deck her one and scream very

> very loud and Maia hates that sound), she doesn't bite other kids because

> she knows that another kid might hit her, she doesn't bite daddy because she

> knows he'll get very mad...

>

> and that leaves the poor very inexperienced EA who takes the bite as a form

> of communication?

>

> What would be a suitable thing for the EA to do when Maia bites her? I told

> the EA to make a loud noise, almost startle her if she bites but the EA

> doesn't want to do this because it would make all the other children in the

> class afraid of Maia and Maia is just starting to approach and play with

> other children. But I *really *don't want this to behavior to be acquired

> and I most certain do NOT want her to start generalizing this to other

> children. That would be VERY bad. I think Maia understands that this

> person has to be there unconditionally and that she can walk all over her

> and part of me thinks that why she's doing this.

>

> I'm going to run this by Maia's ABA team when we start up again on Monday

> but I just thought I'd bounce a few ideas here.

>

> Right now, Maia has a raging ear infection (well, it's just starting to get

> better) and she has wicked diarrhea from the abx to treat the ear

> infection. She's had no supplements (she was on supplements when she bit

> the EA, and admittedly, it was better but when I started up a few aminos

> again today, the biting started...I think I'll stop all methionine

> now...but, the autism support teachers were there to coach the EA on those

> days where Maia didn't bite and Maia knows that if she bites her EA while

> the autism support teachers are there, that they would handle it

> differently).

>

> Maia spent 2.5 hours with her senior therapist yesterday doing her ABLLS and

> no reports of any bites...again, the therapist is very experienced with

> handling ASD kids and I look at her and I know that Maia would never get

> away with that and I think Maia understands that too.

>

> Any ideas about what I can tell the EA to do when Maia bites? I've never

> encountered this problem before with her and I'm not 100% convinced that

> it's the methionine. When Maia was still taking the methionine, she got

> really frustrated and angry with me one day because I wouldn't let her play

> with water, and she made like she was going to bite my hand and I looked at

> her and said, " GO AHEAD... " and I gave this look to her like she's going to

> be in deep shit if she does it and she backed off. I know 100% that she

> understands.

>

> But how do I get her to stop picking on people like her EA at school when

> she's away from me???

>