Increase in clinging and OCD

March 18, 2012

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to

stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position

,even if it's not their " right " position. And gets very upset even tantrums if

we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such

things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few

hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I

took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of

the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing

changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of

his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position..

He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious

and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them

in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a

difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten

days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a

little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

March 18, 2012

Get him tested for PANDAS. OCD and clinging/ separation anxiety are symptoms.

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position ,even if it's not their "right" position. And gets very upset even tantrums if we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position.. He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

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March 18, 2012

Hi all, does anyone know if grapefruit seed extract fights strep/pandas bacteria or clostridia? We started it for yeast symptoms but I think it has helped both ocd and anxiety so I am wondering if this sudden onset flare that started in jan and looked alot like pandas could actually have been a yeast flare???...he didn't show positive on the strep tests but his yeast was high (and also high clostridia but not as high as yeast) on the oat test we did in jan. His symptoms improved with sporanox and flagyl and then most recently with candidase and grapefruit seed extract...the last one got him off of his obsession with playing with letters all day and he is back to interacting with his sister and other toys....any thoughts?-- Sent from my Palm Pre

Get him tested for PANDAS. OCD and clinging/ separation anxiety are symptoms.

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position ,even if it's not their "right" position. And gets very upset even tantrums if we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position.. He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

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March 18, 2012

Sorry carolyn!! I didn't mean to barge into your thread!! Your symptoms you are describing sound similar to what we have been seeing...i originally tthougt pandas and now I am wondering about yeast...but I would definitely look into pandas too if I were you! -- Sent from my Palm Pre

Hi all, does anyone know if grapefruit seed extract fights strep/pandas bacteria or clostridia? We started it for yeast symptoms but I think it has helped both ocd and anxiety so I am wondering if this sudden onset flare that started in jan and looked alot like pandas could actually have been a yeast flare???...he didn't show positive on the strep tests but his yeast was high (and also high clostridia but not as high as yeast) on the oat test we did in jan. His symptoms improved with sporanox and flagyl and then most recently with candidase and grapefruit seed extract...the last one got him off of his obsession with playing with letters all day and he is back to interacting with his sister and other toys....any thoughts?-- Sent from my Palm Pre

Get him tested for PANDAS. OCD and clinging/ separation anxiety are symptoms.

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position ,even if it's not their "right" position. And gets very upset even tantrums if we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position.. He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

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March 18, 2012

Definitely sounds like PANDAS. Sent from my iPhone

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position ,even if it's not their "right" position. And gets very upset even tantrums if we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position.. He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

March 18, 2012

Those symptoms scream PANDAS.....go to www.pandasnetwork.org To: mb12valtrex Sent:

Sunday, March 18, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: Increase in clinging and OCD

Hi,

Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position ,even if it's not their "right" position. And gets very upset even tantrums if we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such things.

For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position.. He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a difficult day for sure!

We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a little increase in stubbornness.

Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

He's taking:

Probiotics

Digestive enzymes

Acetyl L-Carnitine

Selenium

Vit C

Multi vitms and minrls

MTHF

L-Taurine

MgSulfate cream

Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

MB12 injections

TMG

Vit D

Cod Liver Oil

Biotin

Zinc

Thank you!

Noura

March 18, 2012

Hi Noura,

We r dealing with a similar picture. We had a similar episode in december and

dan treated with vancomycin. Symptoms improved significantly. Then he had a

upper respiratory infection 2 1/2 weeks ago and then his stimming actually

turned into tics, repetitive movements, his fingers are always moving like he is

playing piano. He is extremely anxious, has bad mood swings, happy one minute

and then screaming and crying the next. He gets anxious if I ask him any

question or say lets go eat dinner. He wants dinner and even asks for it but

anxiety is so severe that when he gets food, he cannot overcome his anxiety to

eat food. He is walking on his heels, bending his fingers and has vocal

stims/tics??? We finally started azithromycin today and also getting workup for

PANDAS. I am pretty sure he fits the picture of PANS and needs to be treated for

that. I will see how his symptoms get. Last few days have been hell. I can

actually see your son's symptoms in my son also as how small changes or

anticipation of changes triggers anxiety attack. Did your son have a

flu/respiratory infection in the last few weeks? In my son's case it could be a

respiratory source but I am very suspicious about gut bugs as he has a new onset

constipation and has a history of clostridia also. But I am pretty sure this

time it is not clostridia as symptoms are different and he has more motor tics

and more severe anxiety, almost debilitating. Let me know if you want to

communicate via email also as whatever I learn from other parents on the forum

and other websites, I can share with you also.

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> Hi,

> Three days ago, my 7 yo son is showing a noticeable increase in clinging to

stuff, clothes, routines, wanting to mentain things in their present position

,even if it's not their " right " position. And gets very upset even tantrums if

we didn't do what he wants. He cried for a total of half an hour today over such

things.

>

> For example, he cries if I took a blanket to the other room, and after a few

hours he also cries out loud if I brought the blanket back from that room! If I

took the TV remote control to flip channels, then put it on the other side of

the table he would take it back to original place. He's anxious observing

changes around him, gives tantrums if we changed his dirty socks or a piece of

his clothes to wash... Sometimes tries to put OUR arms in a certain position..

He's usually a happy and reasonably easy kid, but today he's generally anxious

and constantly nagging to get stuff or do things in a certain way.

> He used to like certain clothes or toys and gets very attached to some of them

in the past, but it's suddenly a wider and more intense problem now. It was a

difficult day for sure!

>

> We started intensive biomedical since two months, and added TMG and MTHF ten

days ago, all without any issues except for gains in speech and awareness, and a

little increase in stubbornness.

> Any idea what is causing this new troubling behavior?

>

> He's taking:

> Probiotics

> Digestive enzymes

> Acetyl L-Carnitine

> Selenium

> Vit C

> Multi vitms and minrls

> MTHF

> L-Taurine

> MgSulfate cream

> Reduced L-Glutathione lotion

> MB12 injections

> TMG

> Vit D

> Cod Liver Oil

> Biotin

> Zinc

>

> Thank you!

> Noura

>

March 18, 2012

, I am not an expert on naturals but when I was trying to learn more about

the possible treatments of pandas/pans, I found that some parents had good

results with GSE also as it has antibacterial properties also. So maybe it did

get rid of the bacteria that was causing the Pandas symptoms in your kid??? I

definitely need to learn a lot about pandas/pans and different forms of

treatments as I didn't find all the info on the pandas websites.

is

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