Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination. I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms. sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences. channa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination. I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms. sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences. channa = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hi Channa, I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is > > > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination. > I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms. > > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences. > channa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Channa, Throwing somethings out to you my friend: * Check for sulfer issues. My son did fine for a while on sulfer based (ie DMSA, ALA, DMPS....) chelators...then his body hit a wall... & yes there was some negative behaviours involved. Luckly I have a great doc that understand walls...found the sulfer problem...we went through some sulfer detox & he's doing better...though he's basically been able to chelate well naturally actually more effectively with the Immusist than he did on the heavy chelators. * Dr Amy's powerpoint jumps out at me: Slide #22 states " With Bacterial Overgrowth you tend to see AGGRESION! " ......my thoughts are w/chelation you are dumping metals...the chelator itself & the metals dumping kicks up yeast/bad bacterias...hence you're jumping back into the bacterial overgrowth (ie aggresion). I'd personally concider stepping back on the Immusist just to calm things down a bit...but keep it on board to support the organs. I'd stop the AC chelation & make sure your daily dosing binders, liver & kidney support to help support the organs & mop up a bit. I personally would not start MMS when your in a state of stress...especially not knowing if there is any organ stress because it can have some organ stress. Lastly, Payne w/LWT Inter. is having a Zyto special right now...can't recommend it enough...some of the best $150 I've spent this year for an overall look at what's going on...he's our " Energy ER " ) Blessings, Rita > > > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination. > I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms. > > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences. > channa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I know I don't write to this group very often, but I've been a member for about four years and always read the posts. I second what Rita says about a Zyto with MP. He's an excellent Zyto practitioner and a wonderful, caring human being. I have a high functioning adult Aspie daughter, who was suicidal when we started seeing him three years ago. When we started we did a Zyto every two weeks, but she now only needs one every quarter, and I'd say she's pretty much fully recovered. We started working with him when he first went off on his own and created LWT and it was the best move I ever made for my daughter. It takes the guess work out of treatment. Lord knows it's hard enough, but at least with doing a scan you don't feel like you're in it alone To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 1:07:12 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Channa,Throwing somethings out to you my friend:* Check for sulfer issues. My son did fine for a while on sulfer based (ie DMSA, ALA, DMPS....) chelators...then his body hit a wall... & yes there was some negative behaviours involved. Luckly I have a great doc that understand walls...found the sulfer problem...we went through some sulfer detox & he's doing better...though he's basically been able to chelate well naturally actually more effectively with the Immusist than he did on the heavy chelators.* Dr Amy's powerpoint jumps out at me: Slide #22 states "With Bacterial Overgrowth you tend to see AGGRESION!".....my thoughts are w/chelation you are dumping metals...the chelator itself & the metals dumping kicks up yeast/bad bacterias...hence you're jumping back into the bacterial overgrowth (ie aggresion). I'd personally concider stepping back on the Immusist just to calm things down a bit...but keep it on board to support the organs. I'd stop the AC chelation & make sure your daily dosing binders, liver & kidney support to help support the organs & mop up a bit.I personally would not start MMS when your in a state of stress...especially not knowing if there is any organ stress because it can have some organ stress.Lastly, Payne w/LWT Inter. is having a Zyto special right now...can't recommend it enough...some of the best $150 I've spent this year for an overall look at what's going on...he's our "Energy ER" )Blessings,Rita>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 thank you rita and shelly....it is so hard to try and figure this stuff out when you are stuck in the middle of it all...i usually feel like i have an idea of things and an intuition....but to be honest i just dont have a F. clue . i will get the zyto scan as soon as some cash comes in,at the end of month and hopefully scan will still be on sale... i tested immusist with the pendulum and got a strong no that it was not harming my son...i tested the immusist and dmsa together and got a less strong no....so im confused.according to the pendulum both of them should be good for my son although the dmsa lesser so then the immusist. it doesnt help that i have alot of financail stress right now and may lose our home....im sort of all over the place emotionally...so wonder how much that is effecting my son also?..... im stopping the immusist and chelation till i can get him more stable...and get some more answers...thank you for the feed back....it means a lot to get u guys advice.. channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist I know I don't write to this group very often, but I've been a member for about four years and always read the posts. I second what Rita says about a Zyto with MP. He's an excellent Zyto practitioner and a wonderful, caring human being. I have a high functioning adult Aspie daughter, who was suicidal when we started seeing him three years ago. When we started we did a Zyto every two weeks, but she now only needs one every quarter, and I'd say she's pretty much fully recovered. We started working with him when he first went off on his own and created LWT and it was the best move I ever made for my daughter. It takes the guess work out of treatment. Lord knows it's hard enough, but at least with doing a scan you don't feel like you're in it alone To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 1:07:12 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Channa,Throwing somethings out to you my friend:* Check for sulfer issues. My son did fine for a while on sulfer based (ie DMSA, ALA, DMPS....) chelators...then his body hit a wall... & yes there was some negative behaviours involved. Luckly I have a great doc that understand walls...found the sulfer problem...we went through some sulfer detox & he's doing better...though he's basically been able to chelate well naturally actually more effectively with the Immusist than he did on the heavy chelators.* Dr Amy's powerpoint jumps out at me: Slide #22 states "With Bacterial Overgrowth you tend to see AGGRESION!".....my thoughts are w/chelation you are dumping metals...the chelator itself & the metals dumping kicks up yeast/bad bacterias...hence you're jumping back into the bacterial overgrowth (ie aggresion). I'd personally concider stepping back on the Immusist just to calm things down a bit...but keep it on board to support the organs. I'd stop the AC chelation & make sure your daily dosing binders, liver & kidney support to help support the organs & mop up a bit.I personally would not start MMS when your in a state of stress...especially not knowing if there is any organ stress because it can have some organ stress.Lastly, Payne w/LWT Inter. is having a Zyto special right now...can't recommend it enough...some of the best $150 I've spent this year for an overall look at what's going on...he's our "Energy ER" )Blessings,Rita>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 alexis, i think you are right ...too much detox and not enuff places for things to leave! i think if i had my own personal sauna he could sweat some stuff out...i was givin five drops of immusist twice a day in the beginning and i think i may have stirred up some crap....he still has a lot of muciod plaque which i can tell by his poops while bein niceand formed still are not large enuff and i feel there is a lot of plaque left...hehadan xray done a couple years ago....and i know what muciod looks like when it comesout. so with that said....how can i stir up all this shit when he still has so much shit still left in his body? I love you alexis...you get my old noggin workin again:) the behavior is heart breaking....he literally acts like heis insane....he says all day long hit me hit me hit me.. then he is punchin me jumping on me....then when i get upset ie. put him in time out or tell him he is makin mommy sad when he hits me...he starts crying then starts saying he is bad and he wants someone to hit him... and this exhausting behavior is 24/7 then it will alternate with really drunk aggressive laughing pushing me climbing on me behavior... neibors are starting to talk...dont want their kids near him...can i blame them? the funny thing is he doesnt hit anyone smaller then him..it really hhurts me......i would give anything for him to find some peace.... channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:28 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I'm sorry you're having such a hard time right now. I feel like I know you from reading posts; I'll keep you in my prayers:) I think for now all you can do is stop AC and Immucist and let him settle down some, then maybe start from scratch, at least until you can continue down your next path. Hopefully a Zyto, but if not, I'm sure you'll do what you feel is in your means and for the best benefit of your son To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 9:05:25 AMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist thank you rita and shelly....it is so hard to try and figure this stuff out when you are stuck in the middle of it all...i usually feel like i have an idea of things and an intuition....but to be honest i just dont have a F. clue . i will get the zyto scan as soon as some cash comes in,at the end of month and hopefully scan will still be on sale... i tested immusist with the pendulum and got a strong no that it was not harming my son...i tested the immusist and dmsa together and got a less strong no....so im confused.according to the pendulum both of them should be good for my son although the dmsa lesser so then the immusist. it doesnt help that i have alot of financail stress right now and may lose our home....im sort of all over the place emotionally...so wonder how much that is effecting my son also?..... im stopping the immusist and chelation till i can get him more stable...and get some more answers...thank you for the feed back....it means a lot to get u guys advice.. channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:11 AMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist I know I don't write to this group very often, but I've been a member for about four years and always read the posts. I second what Rita says about a Zyto with MP. He's an excellent Zyto practitioner and a wonderful, caring human being. I have a high functioning adult Aspie daughter, who was suicidal when we started seeing him three years ago. When we started we did a Zyto every two weeks, but she now only needs one every quarter, and I'd say she's pretty much fully recovered. We started working with him when he first went off on his own and created LWT and it was the best move I ever made for my daughter. It takes the guess work out of treatment. Lord knows it's hard enough, but at least with doing a scan you don't feel like you're in it alone To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 1:07:12 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Channa,Throwing somethings out to you my friend:* Check for sulfer issues. My son did fine for a while on sulfer based (ie DMSA, ALA, DMPS....) chelators...then his body hit a wall... & yes there was some negative behaviours involved. Luckly I have a great doc that understand walls...found the sulfer problem...we went through some sulfer detox & he's doing better...though he's basically been able to chelate well naturally actually more effectively with the Immusist than he did on the heavy chelators.* Dr Amy's powerpoint jumps out at me: Slide #22 states "With Bacterial Overgrowth you tend to see AGGRESION!".....my thoughts are w/chelation you are dumping metals...the chelator itself & the metals dumping kicks up yeast/bad bacterias...hence you're jumping back into the bacterial overgrowth (ie aggresion). I'd personally concider stepping back on the Immusist just to calm things down a bit...but keep it on board to support the organs. I'd stop the AC chelation & make sure your daily dosing binders, liver & kidney support to help support the organs & mop up a bit.I personally would not start MMS when your in a state of stress...especially not knowing if there is any organ stress because it can have some organ stress.Lastly, Payne w/LWT Inter. is having a Zyto special right now...can't recommend it enough...some of the best $150 I've spent this year for an overall look at what's going on...he's our "Energy ER" )Blessings,Rita>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hi ChannaI pray and hope uo little improve.. I ve little advise as we started all this since July last year I know u ve mentioned uo homeopath speak wth them about a "drainage remedy" that is if u do think that uo son has too many toxins My little boy is using same and it has helped him calm down.Also I know u ve a juicer so u might want to juice veggies and fruit of uo choice add two raw eggs(must be free range or organic) a dollop of sour cream (gaps she suggest u make uo own using raw cream)It a good way to detox and add amino acids...All the above are helping my son slow but from a physical point of view he is better(still fighting consitipation, sour cream meant to help)I hope u will work thru this and come out of it wth uo son better than everSending u and him a huge hug and loads of prayerSent from my iPod alexis, i think you are right ...too much detox and not enuff places for things to leave! i think if i had my own personal sauna he could sweat some stuff out...i was givin five drops of immusist twice a day in the beginning and i think i may have stirred up some crap....he still has a lot of muciod plaque which i can tell by his poops while bein niceand formed still are not large enuff and i feel there is a lot of plaque left...hehadan xray done a couple years ago....and i know what muciod looks like when it comesout. so with that said....how can i stir up all this shit when he still has so much shit still left in his body? I love you alexis...you get my old noggin workin again:) the behavior is heart breaking....he literally acts like heis insane....he says all day long hit me hit me hit me.. then he is punchin me jumping on me....then when i get upset ie. put him in time out or tell him he is makin mommy sad when he hits me...he starts crying then starts saying he is bad and he wants someone to hit him... and this exhausting behavior is 24/7 then it will alternate with really drunk aggressive laughing pushing me climbing on me behavior... neibors are starting to talk...dont want their kids near him...can i blame them? the funny thing is he doesnt hit anyone smaller then him..it really hhurts me......i would give anything for him to find some peace.... channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:28 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hi channa, did any if this rage and aggression come after adding or increasing zinc? It takes some time for zinc to start building up so it could even be weeks after...i am just wondering if it could be zinc causing aggression?...just a thought. It sounds like taking out the immusist and ac and trying again later could help...we've done this several times before and found that he could tolerate things later that he couldn't before.....i think if my kids start detoxing too much it just blocks up their detox pathways and we have to stop or back down...so frustrating but hang in there!!!! We're dealing with alot of behaviors too at the moment but language is pretty good but we need to have balance so I am trying to figure out what we can use for calming...i think we are dealing with seasonal illnesses and allergies that are bringing down his immune system and allowing yeast and bacteria to grow so ilm going to try transfer facter to see if this helps boost things...i have a feeling no matter how much herbals and anitbs or antifungals we use right now it won't calm his behavior until the fall unless we can boost his immune system....anyway just sharing if it may help...hang in there!!!-- Sent from my Palm Pre thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Our son had bad reaction to immunsist I posted few months back,but I had him up to 10 drops cut back to 3 and he is ok with that,thing was he had been on the 10 drops a while before it had effect on his behaviours,think it might hit layers of stuff at different times,its so hard to know,I just cut back ,now I am wondering if the hand biting and hitting might be linked to it,having said that it has really improved since pulling inisotol and lithum ornate,sorry I am not much help,dana always says she found if her kids didn't need a supplement anymore it started to cause problems,is your son on anything for a while that u had given to control these symptomsLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:28:23 -0000To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 today he had the best day in a long time....i only cut the immusist....and end of round....i think after thinkin about stuff...the immusist was loosening up pathogens ect....but with out any real good detox pathways.....he couldnt get rid of the stuff.. i think it also could have helped i gave binch charcoal last night as well.... i want to try and get his muciod plague encrusted in his bowels....down.....then he will be better able to detox the things that immusust brings loose....then i can try immusist again with better binders....i just think my son is so full of crap....literally and figurtivly... i know mms helps with pooping out biofilm aka muciod plaque.... so i may give this a trial run.....will let everyone know how it all turns out.... To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist Our son had bad reaction to immunsist I posted few months back,but I had him up to 10 drops cut back to 3 and he is ok with that,thing was he had been on the 10 drops a while before it had effect on his behaviours,think it might hit layers of stuff at different times,its so hard to know,I just cut back ,now I am wondering if the hand biting and hitting might be linked to it,having said that it has really improved since pulling inisotol and lithum ornate,sorry I am not much help,dana always says she found if her kids didn't need a supplement anymore it started to cause problems,is your son on anything for a while that u had given to control these symptoms Let your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:28:23 -0000 To: <mb12valtrex > ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Wonderful! To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist today he had the best day in a long time....i only cut the immusist....and end of round....i think after thinkin about stuff...the immusist was loosening up pathogens ect....but with out any real good detox pathways.....he couldnt get rid of the stuff.. i think it also could have helped i gave binch charcoal last night as well.... i want to try and get his muciod plague encrusted in his bowels....down.....then he will be better able to detox the things that immusust brings loose....then i can try immusist again with better binders....i just think my son is so full of crap....literally and figurtivly... i know mms helps with pooping out biofilm aka muciod plaque.... so i may give this a trial run.....will let everyone know how it all turns out.... To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist Our son had bad reaction to immunsist I posted few months back,but I had him up to 10 drops cut back to 3 and he is ok with that,thing was he had been on the 10 drops a while before it had effect on his behaviours,think it might hit layers of stuff at different times,its so hard to know,I just cut back ,now I am wondering if the hand biting and hitting might be linked to it,having said that it has really improved since pulling inisotol and lithum ornate,sorry I am not much help,dana always says she found if her kids didn't need a supplement anymore it started to cause problems,is your son on anything for a while that u had given to control these symptoms Let your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone Sender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:28:23 -0000 To: <mb12valtrex > ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 I know what you mean about the doctors. Being married to one who does not understand any of the biomedical intervention has been a cross for me. I try to glean what I can from the doctors I have taken him to, but by no means do I always follow their advice. I am also very careful about which ones I take him too. In addition to that, I have to make sure they don't send me into bankruptcy. They seem to think that you have an endless supply of cash. Unfortunately the ones I trust usually only take cash. Credit cards to the max. I too have and continue to make use of the zyto. I find in someways it directs the path better than some blood / urine labs. In the end, it is a matter of praying for God to help us to make the right decisions for the health of these babies. Feeling that nudge and unction to do something and knowing in your heart that it is the right thing is very powerful. It's just that it rarely runs smooth. Hence, we scream in our cars, houses where ever we can to release the anger and stress that we have from the PTSD. Yes, I have it too. There seems to be no end to it, but someday it will end. In life or death, this madness will someday end. "Oh God, give us your joy. We need it so." For now I am grateful that I have people like you that I understand. Bettina To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:39 AM Subject: Re: ac chelation and immusist thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 oh, bettina....your awesome.. yes the madness will end one day....and all that will matter is that we fought the good fight..lived our life with integrity and kindness...always..with all people... and then im gonna be at the open bar in the afterlife....like in the movie beetlejuice! that is kind of what im lookin for...when i die...double shot of crown royal please. i mean for heavens sakes....i havnt had a drink in five years. too busy researching autism...feels like its only right i get one in the afterlife.. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:24 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist I know what you mean about the doctors. Being married to one who does not understand any of the biomedical intervention has been a cross for me. I try to glean what I can from the doctors I have taken him to, but by no means do I always follow their advice. I am also very careful about which ones I take him too. In addition to that, I have to make sure they don't send me into bankruptcy. They seem to think that you have an endless supply of cash. Unfortunately the ones I trust usually only take cash. Credit cards to the max. I too have and continue to make use of the zyto. I find in someways it directs the path better than some blood / urine labs. In the end, it is a matter of praying for God to help us to make the right decisions for the health of these babies. Feeling that nudge and unction to do something and knowing in your heart that it is the right thing is very powerful. It's just that it rarely runs smooth. Hence, we scream in our cars, houses where ever we can to release the anger and stress that we have from the PTSD. Yes, I have it too. There seems to be no end to it, but someday it will end. In life or death, this madness will someday end. "Oh God, give us your joy. We need it so." For now I am grateful that I have people like you that I understand. Bettina To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:39 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 thanks megan.....i dont think its the zinc...but will keep eye out for it....i think it is like you said....i started immusist at five drops twice a day....i should have started lower.....i think his detox pathways are clogged.... so will take a break for now...i feel like in a way i am goin thru all thesethings so i can have more " when my son had this problem" stories that i like to share with everyone:) heck thats one way of lookin on the brighter side of things....is your kid...nuts? oh let me tell you about when my kid was realllly really nuts....lol To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:12 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi channa, did any if this rage and aggression come after adding or increasing zinc? It takes some time for zinc to start building up so it could even be weeks after...i am just wondering if it could be zinc causing aggression?...just a thought. It sounds like taking out the immusist and ac and trying again later could help...we've done this several times before and found that he could tolerate things later that he couldn't before.....i think if my kids start detoxing too much it just blocks up their detox pathways and we have to stop or back down...so frustrating but hang in there!!!! We're dealing with alot of behaviors too at the moment but language is pretty good but we need to have balance so I am trying to figure out what we can use for calming...i think we are dealing with seasonal illnesses and allergies that are bringing down his immune system and allowing yeast and bacteria to grow so ilm going to try transfer facter to see if this helps boost things...i have a feeling no matter how much herbals and anitbs or antifungals we use right now it won't calm his behavior until the fall unless we can boost his immune system....anyway just sharing if it may help...hang in there!!! -- Sent from my Palm Pre thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 thank you brenda for all the great ideas.....it helps to get others eyes on the situation:)....and your sweet kind thoughts... To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa I pray and hope uo little improve.. I ve little advise as we started all this since July last year I know u ve mentioned uo homeopath speak wth them about a "drainage remedy" that is if u do think that uo son has too many toxins My little boy is using same and it has helped him calm down. Also I know u ve a juicer so u might want to juice veggies and fruit of uo choice add two raw eggs(must be free range or organic) a dollop of sour cream (gaps she suggest u make uo own using raw cream) It a good way to detox and add amino acids... All the above are helping my son slow but from a physical point of view he is better(still fighting consitipation, sour cream meant to help) I hope u will work thru this and come out of it wth uo son better than ever Sending u and him a huge hug and loads of prayer Sent from my iPod alexis, i think you are right ...too much detox and not enuff places for things to leave! i think if i had my own personal sauna he could sweat some stuff out...i was givin five drops of immusist twice a day in the beginning and i think i may have stirred up some crap....he still has a lot of muciod plaque which i can tell by his poops while bein niceand formed still are not large enuff and i feel there is a lot of plaque left...hehadan xray done a couple years ago....and i know what muciod looks like when it comesout. so with that said....how can i stir up all this shit when he still has so much shit still left in his body? I love you alexis...you get my old noggin workin again:) the behavior is heart breaking....he literally acts like heis insane....he says all day long hit me hit me hit me.. then he is punchin me jumping on me....then when i get upset ie. put him in time out or tell him he is makin mommy sad when he hits me...he starts crying then starts saying he is bad and he wants someone to hit him... and this exhausting behavior is 24/7 then it will alternate with really drunk aggressive laughing pushing me climbing on me behavior... neibors are starting to talk...dont want their kids near him...can i blame them? the funny thing is he doesnt hit anyone smaller then him..it really hhurts me......i would give anything for him to find some peace.... channa To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:28 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feel like our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Hilarious. Heaven should be a de..stressor. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:00 PM Subject: Re: ac chelation and immusist oh, bettina....your awesome.. yes the madness will end one day....and all that will matter is that we fought the good fight..lived our life with integrity and kindness...always..with all people... and then im gonna be at the open bar in the afterlife....like in the movie beetlejuice! that is kind of what im lookin for...when i die...double shot of crown royal please. i mean for heavens sakes....i havnt had a drink in five years. too busy researching autism...feels like its only right i get one in the afterlife.. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:24 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist I know what you mean about the doctors. Being married to one who does not understand any of the biomedical intervention has been a cross for me. I try to glean what I can from the doctors I have taken him to, but by no means do I always follow their advice. I am also very careful about which ones I take him too. In addition to that, I have to make sure they don't send me into bankruptcy. They seem to think that you have an endless supply of cash. Unfortunately the ones I trust usually only take cash. Credit cards to the max. I too have and continue to make use of the zyto. I find in someways it directs the path better than some blood / urine labs. In the end, it is a matter of praying for God to help us to make the right decisions for the health of these babies. Feeling that nudge and unction to do something and knowing in your heart that it is the right thing is very powerful. It's just that it rarely runs smooth. Hence, we scream in our cars, houses where ever we can to release the anger and stress that we have from the PTSD. Yes, I have it too. There seems to be no end to it, but someday it will end. In life or death, this madness will someday end. "Oh God, give us your joy. We need it so." For now I am grateful that I have people like you that I understand. Bettina To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:39 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist thanks bettina, i dont do regular docters....I dont really do any docters.....i will keep tryin for the natural treatment....i agree that their is some massive inflammation goin on in his brain thanks to the microbes....metals? bein loosened by immusist and chelation? i dont know. goin to take a step back try and get the zyto scan...then se where i am.... yes your son sounds like my son....only he is tiny five year old that i still have the strength to carry....and his punches dont hurt at this point.not too much.. i am terrified for his future.....and i know how tragic all this can end up....of course...in all this i have never felt more alone...i feel like an outsider in church and i feel like an outsider in my neiborhood....i screamed in my car at the top of my lungs for five miles yesterday...just screamed like in a horror movie...thank God thier was not traffic lights it was a side road... im so greatful that i have you guys.... channa To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hey Channa: Sorry to hear he is having these episodes. I have seen it first hand here with my sixteen year old. I can only say that the Lamictal has stabilized his aggression and bipolar rages that were really scary and getting out of hand. This was recommended by three doctors before I agreed to do it, since I have been very afraid of drug side effects. The Amen Clinic in Reston VA, Dr., J the inf dz. doc in DC and the local psychiatrist here in Atlanta that was recommended by the Amen clinic were the three who suggested it. His spect scan showed the ring of fire in the mid brain and lower brain with hypo perfusion to the frontal lobes. Basically meaning that the inflammation in the midbrain and lower brain was causing excess firing that should not be going on , and the frontal lobes for higher executive function were not having enough activity. So when anything causes increase in brain inflammation I guess this is when we see spikes in these rages and aggression. I have seen a great improvement in self regulation as a result of the Lamictal. Until we can get the microbe count down sufficiently it seems that this is what the brain will be doing . My son also has adrenal exhaustion from his body fighting the lyme. As for the OCD, my son has some of it, but not too bad. The GABA would be the only thing I would know of that might be calming to his brain, but dosage I would not know for your child. I also understand that if you give the GABA , l- tryptophan should be considered. I have just come to the conclusion that in MY CASE, the drug has been critical to getting him to cooperate with life in general. He was sooooo out of control. Any 16 year old that goes climbing up neighbors balconies and the stoop over the front door from his upstairs bedroom acting like and angry spiderman, and vandalizing has got serious bipolar symptoms. It almost seems like a seizure, because it last for a period of time and then he returns to normal (whatever the h that is) The psychiatrist said to think of it as an emotional seizure. Lamictal is an anticonvulsant as well as a mood stabilizer. I know that some doctor ( forgot his name right now) said bipolar was epilepsy internalized. It's definitely short circuiting in those areas of the brain where the inflammation is and interrupts cell signaling. This explains why the spect scan shows all the excess activity. Just something to consider when all else has been exhausted. Hope he improves quickly. Take care, Bettina I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.channa= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Let him rest a little bit. Its going to be gorgeous all week. Get him out in the sunshine -he'll start manufacturing some vitamin d while you guys regroup. Hang in there - you're doing an awesome job! Tammy Sent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Channa, How is he doing at school? Anything going on there? Tammy Sent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Could someone or would someone mind elaborating on what exactly a zyto is? my boy is 5 and we are just beginning this long and painstaking marathon called defeat autism.....and I am again lost as to where to begin. Love you all, as I read every day your struggles with tears since I identify so closely. Hugs to all.....and remember that the Arc was built by amateurs and the Titanic by professionals......never lose your faith my friends!!!!Alisabeth From: ezSent: 3/20/2012 8:12 AMTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist I know I don't write to this group very often, but I've been a member for about four years and always read the posts. I second what Rita says about a Zyto with MP. He's an excellent Zyto practitioner and a wonderful, caring human being. I have a high functioning adult Aspie daughter, who was suicidal when we started seeing him three years ago. When we started we did a Zyto every two weeks, but she now only needs one every quarter, and I'd say she's pretty much fully recovered. We started working with him when he first went off on his own and created LWT and it was the best move I ever made for my daughter. It takes the guess work out of treatment. Lord knows it's hard enough, but at least with doing a scan you don't feel like you're in it alone To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tue, March 20, 2012 1:07:12 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Channa,Throwing somethings out to you my friend:* Check for sulfer issues. My son did fine for a while on sulfer based (ie DMSA, ALA, DMPS....) chelators...then his body hit a wall... & yes there was some negative behaviours involved. Luckly I have a great doc that understand walls...found the sulfer problem...we went through some sulfer detox & he's doing better...though he's basically been able to chelate well naturally actually more effectively with the Immusist than he did on the heavy chelators.* Dr Amy's powerpoint jumps out at me: Slide #22 states "With Bacterial Overgrowth you tend to see AGGRESION!".....my thoughts are w/chelation you are dumping metals...the chelator itself & the metals dumping kicks up yeast/bad bacterias...hence you're jumping back into the bacterial overgrowth (ie aggresion). I'd personally concider stepping back on the Immusist just to calm things down a bit...but keep it on board to support the organs. I'd stop the AC chelation & make sure your daily dosing binders, liver & kidney support to help support the organs & mop up a bit.I personally would not start MMS when your in a state of stress...especially not knowing if there is any organ stress because it can have some organ stress.Lastly, Payne w/LWT Inter. is having a Zyto special right now...can't recommend it enough...some of the best $150 I've spent this year for an overall look at what's going on...he's our "Energy ER" )Blessings,Rita>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....I dont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 well he is only at school two hours a day and seems to somewhat keep it together a little better their..his teacher doesnt like to complain...she is old school..not like younger teachers who want your kid to be jacked up on drugs to make thier life easier.. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 11:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist Channa, How is he doing at school? Anything going on there? TammySent from my Kindle Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Hi brenda,Can I ask what drainage remedies you use,my homeopath is classical and doesn't seem to know much about themThanksLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:14:29 +0000To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi ChannaI pray and hope uo little improve.. I ve little advise as we started all this since July last year I know u ve mentioned uo homeopath speak wth them about a "drainage remedy" that is if u do think that uo son has too many toxins My little boy is using same and it has helped him calm down.Also I know u ve a juicer so u might want to juice veggies and fruit of uo choice add two raw eggs(must be free range or organic) a dollop of sour cream (gaps she suggest u make uo own using raw cream)It a good way to detox and add amino acids...All the above are helping my son slow but from a physical point of view he is better(still fighting consitipation, sour cream meant to help)I hope u will work thru this and come out of it wth uo son better than everSending u and him a huge hug and loads of prayerSent from my iPod alexis, i think you are right ...too much detox and not enuff places for things to leave! i think if i had my own personal sauna he could sweat some stuff out...i was givin five drops of immusist twice a day in the beginning and i think i may have stirred up some crap....he still has a lot of muciod plaque which i can tell by his poops while bein niceand formed still are not large enuff and i feel there is a lot of plaque left...hehadan xray done a couple years ago....and i know what muciod looks like when it comesout.so with that said....how can i stir up all this shit when he still has so much shit still left in his body?I love you alexis...you get my old noggin workin again:)the behavior is heart breaking....he literally acts like heis insane....he says all day long hit me hit me hit me..then he is punchin me jumping on me....then when i get upset ie. put him in time out or tell him he is makin mommy sad when he hits me...he starts crying then starts saying he is bad and he wants someone to hit him...and this exhausting behavior is 24/7then it will alternate with really drunk aggressive laughing pushing me climbing on me behavior...neibors are starting to talk...dont want their kids near him...can i blame them?the funny thing is he doesnt hit anyone smaller then him..itreally hhurts me......i would give anything for him to find some peace....channaTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:28 AMSubject: Re: ac chelation and immusist Hi Channa,I am so sorry that you are going through this. Just few months ago your son was doing so much better. What do you mean by bipolar ocd behavior? Is he having mood swings with ocd? I don't have much knowledge of immusist but when I looked up the ingredients, it seems like it has dye in it. Could that be bothering your kid? Or may be you were using the dye free one so just ignore this idea. Could this be clostridia or some other bacterial overgrowth or pandas like illness? Mood swings to me indicate pandas/pans or some other issue with the neurotransmitters. May be Alberta could help with the neurotransmitters. Not sure if you have done an OAT recently which could help in determining the cause. I was thinking may be you should only stop Immusist at this time and continue AC chelation as you have had good results with it. It is a good idea to observe how he does only on AC chelation for sometime before starting MMS. Sometimes I feellike our kids fragile bodies need a break. They cannot sustain a detox mode all the time. Good luck buddy. is>> > I been tryin to get my sons aggressive bipolar ocd behavior under control...i been doin ac chelation which had great results until about few months ago...same time i started immusist...i dont know if it is a new layer that the immusist uncovered or if ac chelation and immusist together was a bad combination.> I am planning to stop immusist and chelation all together and try and focus on the mms.> > sometimes i get so eager like all the rest of us that im on the right track and i want so much to share that and help others.. maybe immusist and chelation is not a good idea....Idont know..but i want to share what i go thru good or bad with other..so others can learn from my experiences.> channa> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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