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I'm not a volunteer lawyer. *GRIN*

-Wes

In a message dated 10/9/2008 5:31:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

spenair@... writes:

Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has

ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is

it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift

I've done no wrong, right?

OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor

would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question,

is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your

scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have

policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company

discipline is there any legal issues?

Renny

>

>

> From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not

good...

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident

>

> By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM

>

> Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said

today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left

work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic

arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined.

>

> Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond

for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned

any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said.

>

> said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of

two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors

to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew.

>

> The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were

told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station

when they left, said. said the medics should have

remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they

will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only

minutes away.

>

> “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The

fact

that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.â€Â

>

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> October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

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> The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is

OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being

the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone

had died as a result of the delayed response then would the

discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought

the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do

they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t

get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or

should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station

as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I

can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends.

What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in

the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for

the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t

punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash,

planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a

joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for

their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new

City Manager thinks about this one?

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OK. Once again, let's sort this out.

1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at the end

of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned

patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a call,

has

no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned patients, the

situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and

procedures manual for the rule.

2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written

policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood traditions of

the

service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there

is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an

infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any Texas

statute or

regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on shift

when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a

different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond would have

arisen.

3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there must be

an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its agents

and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not

actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative.

4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with

Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been assigned to that

station it would have been covered.

5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have

seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the pertinent facts

accurately.

So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the employees i

nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the

public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately.

Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the newspaper

story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and

professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be the same

if I

did not know them.

Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress.

Gene Gandy, JD, LP

>

> If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment

> or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are

> considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients.

>

> Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

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> Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

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Having dealt with newspaper reporters on and off all my professional life, I

can say that what they write is frequently a " surprise. " I have seen quotes

of mine distorted in such a way that they only faintly resembled what I said.

I have even seen written press releases screwed up in the story. I have

seen the reporter grab onto some inconsequential issue and focus on that,

entirely ignoring the real issue.

Most reporters, even those with a beat, don't know much about what they are

covering. That wasn't true of the old style crime reporters who worked for

the big city newspapers years before most of you were born, but today, reporters

tend to be fresh out of college, inexperienced, and often clueless. So I'm

not surprised that the reporter didn't mention the supervisors names. There

may be any number of reasons for that. They might have based the story on a

press release, on a couple of phone calls and were up against the deadline and

were not able to find out the names before the story went to press, and so

forth. Or they may simply be clueless about how things work.

My take: Be careful about what conclusions you draw from what you read in

the papers or see/hear on TV.

GG

>

> Oh, and one more thing -- does anyone think it's kind of trashy to

> release the actual Medic's names involved, yet they refer to the

> commander(s) involved as " supervisors " not naming them and don't even

> mention whose at fault in scheduling for this even happening!! Maybe

> I'm just on a soap box -- but I think it's a little selectively name names.

>

> wegandy1938@wegandy wrote:

> >

> > OK. Once again, let's sort this out.

> >

> > 1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at

> > the end

> > of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned

> > patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a

> > call, has

> > no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned

> > patients, the

> > situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and

> > procedures manual for the rule.

> >

> > 2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written

> > policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood

> > traditions of the

> > service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there

> > is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an

> > infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any

> > Texas statute or

> > regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on

> > shift

> > when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a

> > different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond

> > would have

> > arisen.

> >

> > 3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there

> > must be

> > an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its

> > agents

> > and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not

> > actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative.

> >

> > 4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with

> > Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been

> > assigned to that

> > station it would have been covered.

> >

> > 5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have

> > seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the

> > pertinent facts

> > accurately.

> >

> > So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the

> > employees i

> > nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the

> > public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately.

> >

> > Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the

> > newspaper

> > story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and

> > professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be

> > the same if I

> > did not know them.

> >

> > Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress.

> >

> > Gene Gandy, JD, LP

> >

> > In a message dated 10/9/08 4:50:36 PM, lanie.st.claire@...

> > <mailto:lanie.mailto:lanmailto:laniemai> writes:

> >

> > >

> > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the

> > assignment

> > > or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are

> > > considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients.

> > >

> > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

> > > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

> > > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

> > >

> > >

> > > page / page

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From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not good...

-Wes Ogilvie

EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident

By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM

Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said today that they

have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left work when their shifts were

over — but before a replacement medic arrived — and that they will not be

disciplined.

Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond for 45 minutes

Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned any calls during that time,

EMS director Ernie said.

said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of two replacement

paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors to have to summon a second

medic for the two-person crew.

The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were told that the

replacement paramedic was on the way to the station when they left,

said. said the medics should have remained at the station until the

replacement arrived, but that they will not be punished because they thought the

second medic was only minutes away.

“It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact that nobody

got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.â€

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The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is OK for the

medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being the luck of the draw is

funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone had died as a result of the

delayed response then would the discipline be different? That makes no sense. If

the medics thought the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait?

How do they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t get

punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or should I say

mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station as the Chief says they

should have…then they should be fired. I can’t always just get up and leave

my job whenever my shift ends. What if an air traffic controller did this? What

about a doctor in the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher

for the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t punish

any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash, planes didn’t fall

from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a joke. It seems like PD and FD

have a lot more accountability for their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to

me. Wonder what the new City Manager thinks about this one?

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Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has

ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is

it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift

I've done no wrong, right?

OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor

would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question,

is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your

scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have

policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company

discipline is there any legal issues?

Renny

>

>

> From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not

good...

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident

>

> By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM

>

> Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said

today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left

work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic

arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined.

>

> Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond

for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned

any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said.

>

> said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of

two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors

to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew.

>

> The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were

told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station

when they left, said. said the medics should have

remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they

will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only

minutes away.

>

> “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact

that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.â€

>

> Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment

>

>

> Comments

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> Click here to report comment abuse.

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> By RickyD

>

> October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

>

> The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is

OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being

the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone

had died as a result of the delayed response then would the

discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought

the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do

they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t

get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or

should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station

as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I

can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends.

What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in

the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for

the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t

punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash,

planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a

joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for

their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new

City Manager thinks about this one?

>

>

>

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On Thursday, October 9, 2008 17:31, " spenair " said:

> Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has

> ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is

> it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift

> I've done no wrong, right?

Of course, if the medics are disciplined, then you would also have to discipline

the management who allowed the " scheduling error " in the first place. We can't

have that, so nobody gets disciplined. Had the " error " not had shared blame

with management, you can bet the field medics would be disciplined.

Rob

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I can’t say that I know of any law or regulations that may be violated but I

would think for sure that you and the service would be held liable in civil

court for leaving without a replacement.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of spenair

Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:31 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: A/TCEMS medics

Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has

ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is

it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift

I've done no wrong, right?

OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor

would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question,

is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your

scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have

policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company

discipline is there any legal issues?

Renny

>

>

> From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not

good...

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident

>

> By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM

>

> Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said

today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left

work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic

arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined.

>

> Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond

for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned

any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said.

>

> said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of

two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors

to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew.

>

> The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were

told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station

when they left, said. said the medics should have

remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they

will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only

minutes away.

>

> “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The

fact

that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.â€Â

>

> Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment

>

>

> Comments

>

> Click here to report comment abuse.

>

>

>

> By RickyD

>

> October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

>

> The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is

OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being

the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone

had died as a result of the delayed response then would the

discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought

the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do

they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t

get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or

should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station

as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I

can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends.

What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in

the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for

the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t

punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash,

planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a

joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for

their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new

City Manager thinks about this one?

>

>

>

>

>

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If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or

not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to

be abandoning their assignment and or patients.

Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

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That's what I was thinking. I highly doubt that they " abandoned their

post " . I'm willing to bet that someone heard the miscommunication that

the incoming medic would be there shortly and released the off-going

crew. Considering it was a scheduling error, there were obviously

commanders involved -- so it's not like they just decided to bolt!

rob.davis@... wrote:

>

> On Thursday, October 9, 2008 17:31, " spenair " <spenair@...

> <mailto:spenair%40yahoo.com>> said:

>

> > Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has

> > ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is

> > it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift

> > I've done no wrong, right?

>

> Of course, if the medics are disciplined, then you would also have to

> discipline the management who allowed the " scheduling error " in the

> first place. We can't have that, so nobody gets disciplined. Had the

> " error " not had shared blame with management, you can bet the field

> medics would be disciplined.

>

> Rob

>

>

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Oh, and one more thing -- does anyone think it's kind of trashy to

release the actual Medic's names involved, yet they refer to the

commander(s) involved as " supervisors " not naming them and don't even

mention whose at fault in scheduling for this even happening!! Maybe

I'm just on a soap box -- but I think it's a little selectively name names.

wegandy1938@... wrote:

>

> OK. Once again, let's sort this out.

>

> 1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at

> the end

> of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned

> patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a

> call, has

> no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned

> patients, the

> situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and

> procedures manual for the rule.

>

> 2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written

> policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood

> traditions of the

> service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there

> is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an

> infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any

> Texas statute or

> regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on

> shift

> when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a

> different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond

> would have

> arisen.

>

> 3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there

> must be

> an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its

> agents

> and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not

> actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative.

>

> 4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with

> Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been

> assigned to that

> station it would have been covered.

>

> 5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have

> seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the

> pertinent facts

> accurately.

>

> So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the

> employees i

> nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the

> public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately.

>

> Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the

> newspaper

> story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and

> professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be

> the same if I

> did not know them.

>

> Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress.

>

> Gene Gandy, JD, LP

>

> In a message dated 10/9/08 4:50:36 PM, lanie.st.claire@...

> <mailto:lanie.st.claire%40childrens.com> writes:

>

> >

> > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the

> assignment

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But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two similar but

differing issues.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@....

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RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics

If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or

not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to

be abandoning their assignment and or patients.

Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

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Can you find anything better to talk about. There are worst things

going on in the Texas EMS than a crew that went home after shift

ended.

>

> But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two

similar but differing issues.

>

> LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics

>

>

> If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the

assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her

assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and

or patients.

>

> Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

> EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

> Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

>

>

> page /18407

> </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the

environment before printing this e-mail</span><br />

> <br />

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and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br />

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is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br />

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have received this information in error, <br />

> please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately

at or via e-mail at <br />

> privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its

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To: texasems-l

Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:52:08 PM

Subject: Re: A/TCEMS medics

Can you find anything better to talk about. There are worst things

going on in the Texas EMS than a crew that went home after shift

ended.

>

> But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two

similar but differing issues.

>

> LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI

> LNMolino@...

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics

>

>

> If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the

assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her

assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and

or patients.

>

> Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

> EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

> Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

>

>

> page / 18407

> </pre> <span style= " font- weight: bold; " >Please consider the

environment before printing this e-mail</span> <br />

> <br />

>

> <span style= " font- size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter

and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br />

> information that is confidential and privileged. This

information is intended only for the use of the <br />

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you are the intended recipient, further <br />

>

> disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If

you are not the intended recipient, any <br />

> disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information

is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br />

> violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you

have received this information in error, <br />

> please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately

at or via e-mail at <br />

> privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its

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> applicable privileges related to this

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So bring them up?

I'm half way around the world at the moment so I've no real clue as to the day

to day goings on in Texas EMS but still have a keen interest in same.

The problem with things like this is when a story like this appears in a paper

like the Statesman the average person who can't likely spell EMS is " educated "

on the topic. They may or may not see the good EMS does and such as this is

their only exposure to the topic unless they happen to need EMS for a real world

situation.

We'll talk about just about anything here from what I've seen.

LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan

Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics

>

>

> If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the

assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her

assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and

or patients.

>

> Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P

> EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord.

> Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED

>

>

> page /18407

> </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the

environment before printing this e-mail</span><br />

> <br />

>

> <span style= " font-size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter

and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br />

> information that is confidential and privileged. This

information is intended only for the use of the <br />

> individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If

you are the intended recipient, further <br />

>

> disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If

you are not the intended recipient, any <br />

> disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information

is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br />

> violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you

have received this information in error, <br />

> please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately

at or via e-mail at <br />

> privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its

affiliates hereby claim all <br />

> applicable privileges related to this

information.</span><br />

>

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