Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm not a volunteer lawyer. *GRIN* -Wes In a message dated 10/9/2008 5:31:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, spenair@... writes: Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift I've done no wrong, right? OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question, is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company discipline is there any legal issues? Renny > > > From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not good... > -Wes Ogilvie > > EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident > > By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM > > Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined. > > Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said. > > said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew. > > The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station when they left, said. said the medics should have remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only minutes away. > > “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.†> > Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment > > > Comments > > Click here to report comment abuse. > > > > By RickyD > > October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this > > The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone had died as a result of the delayed response then would the discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends. What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash, planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new City Manager thinks about this one? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 OK. Once again, let's sort this out. 1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at the end of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a call, has no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned patients, the situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and procedures manual for the rule. 2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood traditions of the service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any Texas statute or regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on shift when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond would have arisen. 3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there must be an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its agents and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative. 4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been assigned to that station it would have been covered. 5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the pertinent facts accurately. So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the employees i nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately. Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the newspaper story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be the same if I did not know them. Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress. Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment > or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are > considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > page / page > </pre> <span style= " font-span style= " fo>Please consider the environment > before printing this e-mail</span><br /> > <br /> > > <span style= " font-span style=>This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any > files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > information that is confidential and privileged. This information is > intended only for the use of the <br /> > individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the > intended recipient, further <br /> > > disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the > intended recipient, any <br /> > disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly > prohibited and possibly a <br /> > violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this > information in error, <br /> > please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at > or via e-mail at <br /> > privacy@.... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates > hereby claim all <br /> > applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> > > <br /> > </html> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Having dealt with newspaper reporters on and off all my professional life, I can say that what they write is frequently a " surprise. " I have seen quotes of mine distorted in such a way that they only faintly resembled what I said. I have even seen written press releases screwed up in the story. I have seen the reporter grab onto some inconsequential issue and focus on that, entirely ignoring the real issue. Most reporters, even those with a beat, don't know much about what they are covering. That wasn't true of the old style crime reporters who worked for the big city newspapers years before most of you were born, but today, reporters tend to be fresh out of college, inexperienced, and often clueless. So I'm not surprised that the reporter didn't mention the supervisors names. There may be any number of reasons for that. They might have based the story on a press release, on a couple of phone calls and were up against the deadline and were not able to find out the names before the story went to press, and so forth. Or they may simply be clueless about how things work. My take: Be careful about what conclusions you draw from what you read in the papers or see/hear on TV. GG > > Oh, and one more thing -- does anyone think it's kind of trashy to > release the actual Medic's names involved, yet they refer to the > commander(s) involved as " supervisors " not naming them and don't even > mention whose at fault in scheduling for this even happening!! Maybe > I'm just on a soap box -- but I think it's a little selectively name names. > > wegandy1938@wegandy wrote: > > > > OK. Once again, let's sort this out. > > > > 1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at > > the end > > of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned > > patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a > > call, has > > no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned > > patients, the > > situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and > > procedures manual for the rule. > > > > 2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written > > policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood > > traditions of the > > service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there > > is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an > > infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any > > Texas statute or > > regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on > > shift > > when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a > > different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond > > would have > > arisen. > > > > 3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there > > must be > > an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its > > agents > > and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not > > actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative. > > > > 4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with > > Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been > > assigned to that > > station it would have been covered. > > > > 5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have > > seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the > > pertinent facts > > accurately. > > > > So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the > > employees i > > nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the > > public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately. > > > > Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the > > newspaper > > story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and > > professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be > > the same if I > > did not know them. > > > > Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress. > > > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > > > In a message dated 10/9/08 4:50:36 PM, lanie.st.claire@... > > <mailto:lanie.mailto:lanmailto:laniemai> writes: > > > > > > > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the > > assignment > > > or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are > > > considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > > > > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > > > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > > > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > > > > > > > page / page > > > </pre> <span style= " font-span style= " fo>Please consider the environment > > > before printing this e-mail</span><br /> > > > <br /> > > > > > > <span style= " font-span style=>This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any > > > files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > > > information that is confidential and privileged. 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Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not good... -Wes Ogilvie EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left work when their shifts were over — but before a replacement medic arrived — and that they will not be disciplined. Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said. said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew. The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station when they left, said. said the medics should have remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only minutes away. “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.†Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment Comments Click here to report comment abuse. By RickyD October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone had died as a result of the delayed response then would the discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends. What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash, planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new City Manager thinks about this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift I've done no wrong, right? OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question, is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company discipline is there any legal issues? Renny > > > From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not good... > -Wes Ogilvie > > EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident > > By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM > > Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined. > > Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said. > > said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew. > > The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station when they left, said. said the medics should have remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only minutes away. > > “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.†> > Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment > > > Comments > > Click here to report comment abuse. > > > > By RickyD > > October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this > > The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone had died as a result of the delayed response then would the discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends. What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash, planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new City Manager thinks about this one? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 On Thursday, October 9, 2008 17:31, " spenair " said: > Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has > ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is > it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift > I've done no wrong, right? Of course, if the medics are disciplined, then you would also have to discipline the management who allowed the " scheduling error " in the first place. We can't have that, so nobody gets disciplined. Had the " error " not had shared blame with management, you can bet the field medics would be disciplined. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I can’t say that I know of any law or regulations that may be violated but I would think for sure that you and the service would be held liable in civil court for leaving without a replacement. From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of spenair Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:31 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: A/TCEMS medics Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift I've done no wrong, right? OK before my boss kills me, I have never left w/o a replacement, nor would I. But for the legal eagles Wes, Gene, and others a question, is there a law or regulation violation for leaving at the end of your scheduled shift if relief has not shown? I understand services have policys that you remain till relieved, but other than company discipline is there any legal issues? Renny > > > From today's local newspaper's online local news blog... Not good... > -Wes Ogilvie > > EMS reviews actions of medics in Monday incident > > By Tony Plohetski | Thursday, October 9, 2008, 02:37 PM > > Austin- County Emergency Medical Services officials said today that they have reviewed the actions of two paramedics who left work when their shifts were over †" but before a replacement medic arrived †" and that they will not be disciplined. > > Their actions left an ambulance in South Austin unable to respond for 45 minutes Monday evening, but the ambulance wasn’t assigned any calls during that time, EMS director Ernie said. > > said that because of a scheduling mistake, only one of two replacement paramedics arrived for duty, which caused supervisors to have to summon a second medic for the two-person crew. > > The paramedics on duty at the time, Kuper and Gail Cook, were told that the replacement paramedic was on the way to the station when they left, said. said the medics should have remained at the station until the replacement arrived, but that they will not be punished because they thought the second medic was only minutes away. > > “It was almost a near-miss for us,†said. “The fact that nobody got a delayed response is the luck of the draw.†> > Permalink | Comments (3) | Post your comment > > > Comments > > Click here to report comment abuse. > > > > By RickyD > > October 9, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this > > The20EMS article is amazing. The EMS Chief apparently thinks it is OK for the medics to abandon their post? The comment about it being the luck of the draw is funny. SO, if a call had come in, and someone had died as a result of the delayed response then would the discipline be different? That makes no sense. If the medics thought the relief guy would be there in a few minutes, why not wait? How do they know when the next 911 call is going to come in. They don’t get punished because of the luck of the draw. Great management, or should I say mismanagement. If they should have stayed at the station as the Chief says they should have…then they should be fired. I can’t always just get up and leave my job whenever my shift ends. What if an air traffic controller did this? What about a doctor in the ER? What about the 911 operator? What about the dispatcher for the railroad? I guess if this Ernie guy was in charge, he wouldn’t punish any of those folks either as long as trains didn’t crash, planes didn’t fall from the sky, and patients didn’t die. What a joke. It seems like PD and FD have a lot more accountability for their actions. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. Wonder what the new City Manager thinks about this one? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED page /18407 </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span><br /> <br /> <span style= " font-size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> information that is confidential and privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the <br /> individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further <br /> disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, any <br /> disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br /> violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this information in error, <br /> please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at or via e-mail at <br /> privacy@.... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates hereby claim all <br /> applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> <br /> </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 That's what I was thinking. I highly doubt that they " abandoned their post " . I'm willing to bet that someone heard the miscommunication that the incoming medic would be there shortly and released the off-going crew. Considering it was a scheduling error, there were obviously commanders involved -- so it's not like they just decided to bolt! rob.davis@... wrote: > > On Thursday, October 9, 2008 17:31, " spenair " <spenair@... > <mailto:spenair%40yahoo.com>> said: > > > Playing devils advocate here. If my shift is over my duty to act has > > ended right? It is not my responsibility to replace the no show is > > it? As long as I do not leave before the scheduled end of my shift > > I've done no wrong, right? > > Of course, if the medics are disciplined, then you would also have to > discipline the management who allowed the " scheduling error " in the > first place. We can't have that, so nobody gets disciplined. Had the > " error " not had shared blame with management, you can bet the field > medics would be disciplined. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Oh, and one more thing -- does anyone think it's kind of trashy to release the actual Medic's names involved, yet they refer to the commander(s) involved as " supervisors " not naming them and don't even mention whose at fault in scheduling for this even happening!! Maybe I'm just on a soap box -- but I think it's a little selectively name names. wegandy1938@... wrote: > > OK. Once again, let's sort this out. > > 1. The situation of an RN with assigned patients and a paramedic at > the end > of his shift are two entirely different things. The nurse has assigned > patients to whom she has a declared duty. The medic, unless assigned a > call, has > no existing patients. In the case of a nurse without assigned > patients, the > situation depends upon policy, not law. One looks to the policy and > procedures manual for the rule. > > 2. The duty of a medic to stay on shift depends on: (1) the written > policies of the service, (2) the cultural practices and understood > traditions of the > service, and (3) the actual situation on the ground at the time. If there > is no policy, then it would be difficult to impose discipline for an > infraction that does not exist. There is no common law rule nor any > Texas statute or > regulation that I know of that states that one has a duty to remain on > shift > when your shift is over. If there was an assigned call, that would be a > different thing entirely because in such a case a duty to respond > would have > arisen. > > 3. For a claim to exist against the service or its employees, there > must be > an injury that is directly caused by the actions of the service or its > agents > and employees. No harm resulted to anyone, and theoretical harm is not > actionable legally, so all the talk about liability is purely speculative. > > 4. I suppose that ATCEMS has more than one truck, plus a backup plan with > Acadian, the private service in town, and that had a call been > assigned to that > station it would have been covered. > > 5. Every situation depends upon ALL the facts and circumstances. I have > seldom, if ever, read a newspaper report that reported all the > pertinent facts > accurately. > > So this is an entirely internal matter between management and the > employees i > nvolved. There appears not to have been any risk to any patient or to the > public at large. The matter seems to have been dealt with appropriately. > > Full disclosure: I know two of the three individuals named in the > newspaper > story, they are friends of mine, and I have the highest personal and > professional regard for each of them. However, my comments would be > the same if I > did not know them. > > Now, back to the Political Circus already in progress. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP > > In a message dated 10/9/08 4:50:36 PM, lanie.st.claire@... > <mailto:lanie.st.claire%40childrens.com> writes: > > > > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the > assignment > > or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are > > considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > > > > page / page > > </pre> <span style= " font-span style= " fo>Please consider the environment > > before printing this e-mail</span><br /> > > <br /> > > > > <span style= " font-span style=>This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any > > files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > > information that is confidential and privileged. This information is > > intended only for the use of the <br /> > > individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the > > intended recipient, further <br /> > > > > disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are > not the > > intended recipient, any <br /> > > disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly > > prohibited and possibly a <br /> > > violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have > received this > > information in error, <br /> > > please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at > > > or via e-mail at <br /> > > privacy@... <mailto:privacy%40childrens.pri>. Children's > Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates > > hereby claim all <br /> > > applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> > > > > <br /> > > </html> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two similar but differing issues. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@.... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED page /18407 </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span><br /> <br /> <span style= " font-size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> information that is confidential and privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the <br /> individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further <br /> disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, any <br /> disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br /> violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this information in error, <br /> please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at or via e-mail at <br /> privacy@.... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates hereby claim all <br /> applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> <br /> </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Can you find anything better to talk about. There are worst things going on in the Texas EMS than a crew that went home after shift ended. > > But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two similar but differing issues. > > LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics > > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > page /18407 > </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span><br /> > <br /> > > <span style= " font-size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > information that is confidential and privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the <br /> > individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further <br /> > > disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, any <br /> > disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br /> > violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this information in error, <br /> > please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at or via e-mail at <br /> > privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates hereby claim all <br /> > applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> > > <br /> > </html> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Word. ________________________________ To: texasems-l Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:52:08 PM Subject: Re: A/TCEMS medics Can you find anything better to talk about. There are worst things going on in the Texas EMS than a crew that went home after shift ended. > > But I'm EMS we have no Patient until we have a Patient so two similar but differing issues. > > LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/ EMSI > LNMolino@... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T > > RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics > > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > page / 18407 > </pre> <span style= " font- weight: bold; " >Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span> <br /> > <br /> > > <span style= " font- size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > information that is confidential and privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the <br /> > individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further <br /> > > disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, any <br /> > disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br /> > violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this information in error, <br /> > please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at or via e-mail at <br /> > privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates hereby claim all <br /> > applicable privileges related to this information. </span><br /> > > <br /> > </html> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 So bring them up? I'm half way around the world at the moment so I've no real clue as to the day to day goings on in Texas EMS but still have a keen interest in same. The problem with things like this is when a story like this appears in a paper like the Statesman the average person who can't likely spell EMS is " educated " on the topic. They may or may not see the good EMS does and such as this is their only exposure to the topic unless they happen to need EMS for a real world situation. We'll talk about just about anything here from what I've seen. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T RE: Re: A/TCEMS medics > > > If an RN leaves her assignment ,whether there are patients in the assignment or not , without another nurse there to take her assignment, they are considered to be abandoning their assignment and or patients. > > Lanie St.Claire R.N NREMT- P > EMS Liaison/ ED Disaster Coord. > Childrens Medical Center of Dallas, ED > > > page /18407 > </pre> <span style= " font-weight: bold; " >Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail</span><br /> > <br /> > > <span style= " font-size: 8pt; " >This e-mail, facsimile, or letter and any files or attachments transmitted with it contains<br /> > information that is confidential and privileged. This information is intended only for the use of the <br /> > individual(s) and entity(ies) to whom it is addressed. If you are the intended recipient, further <br /> > > disclosures are prohibited without proper authorization. If you are not the intended recipient, any <br /> > disclosure, copying, printing, or use of this information is strictly prohibited and possibly a <br /> > violation of federal or state law and regulations. If you have received this information in error, <br /> > please notify Children's Medical Center Dallas immediately at or via e-mail at <br /> > privacy@... Children's Medical Center Dallas and its affiliates hereby claim all <br /> > applicable privileges related to this information.</span><br /> > > <br /> > </html> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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