Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@...). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Are we talking about current day....or ancient history? And are talking Texas or other states as well? Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Any. I am trying to identify what practices make one department perform well and another not. BEB From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:38 PM To: texasems-l ; Paramedicine Subject: Re: Help Needed Are we talking about current day....or ancient history? And are talking Texas or other states as well? Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Look at harker heights and Plano, also kilee. Sent from my iPhone Any. I am trying to identify what practices make one department perform well and another not. BEB From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Shaw, Kenny Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:38 PM To: texasems-l ; Paramedicine Subject: Re: Help Needed Are we talking about current day....or ancient history? And are talking Texas or other states as well? Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Okay....well then be prepared for that " firestorm " of inconsequential comparisons from the old days...that have now been fixed. Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 On Thursday, October 9, 2008 22:13, " Shaw, Kenny " said: > > Okay....well then be prepared for that " firestorm " of inconsequential comparisons > from the old days...that have now been fixed. Those would not be inconsequential. Those would be exactly the answers that Dr. Bledsoe is looking for, which is answers that tell us what makes it good and what makes it bad. If one department has been both, that would be the best possible example. Although, it is important to remember that Dr. Bledsoe asked for examples that are " exemplary or first-class " , not just good. I have seen no fire department make that transition. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 " Although, it is important to remember that Dr. Bledsoe asked for examples that are " exemplary or first-class " , not just good. I have seen no fire department make that transition. " Mr. , I expect you were trying to FLAME the firestorm with that comment. Almaguer, Sr. Captain HFD - EMS Command _____ From: rob.davis@... Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:08 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Help Needed On Thursday, October 9, 2008 22:13, " Shaw, Kenny " <kenny.shaw@dallasci <mailto:kenny.shaw%40dallascityhall.com> tyhall.com> said: > > Okay....well then be prepared for that " firestorm " of inconsequential comparisons > from the old days...that have now been fixed. Those would not be inconsequential. Those would be exactly the answers that Dr. Bledsoe is looking for, which is answers that tell us what makes it good and what makes it bad. If one department has been both, that would be the best possible example. Although, it is important to remember that Dr. Bledsoe asked for examples that are " exemplary or first-class " , not just good. I have seen no fire department make that transition. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I would think a better question should be : Should fire services be in the EMS business or should EMS services provide fire service? Henry Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Why try to answer a question on a " global " scale that is (IMHO) a local issue? What works in National Park, NJ may well be a disaster in Flynn, TX. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: Help Needed I would think a better question should be : Should fire services be in the EMS business or should EMS services provide fire service? Henry Help Needed I am working on a lecture for next year and could use some help. What fire departments that operate EMS would you consider exemplary or first-class EMS operations? Which would you consider the worst? What is it about fire departments in either of these categories that causes you to include them? Please email me off list to avoid a fire storm on these lists (bbledsoe@... <mailto:bbledsoe%40earthlink.net> ). BEB E. Bledsoe, DO, FACEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 On Friday, October 10, 2008 08:17, lnmolino@... said: > Why try to answer a question on a " global " scale that is (IMHO) a local issue? That seems a bit short sighted. Let's face it; the tendency for so many to casually trivialise an entire profession as nothing more than a " local issue " is one of the most significant factors preventing the progress of that profession. It institutionalises the fragmentation that we hear people say daily is our biggest enemy. Why should we just accept that? And again, Dr. Bledsoe is not interested in what simply " works " . Like me, he prefers to focus upon what is " first class and exemplary " . Anything less only holds back the profession. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 But the fact is that there is no national EMS system in the US. At best you have 50+ systems when in reality you have hundreds more. I don't think allowing a local area to determine structure and operational parameters of the day in and day out operations when based on some set of accepted criteria will harm professionalism. Is the MD and RN any less a professional in a rural health care clinic than their counterpart in a big University based teaching hospital? LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: Help Needed On Friday, October 10, 2008 08:17, lnmolino@... said: > Why try to answer a question on a " global " scale that is (IMHO) a local issue? That seems a bit short sighted. Let's face it; the tendency for so many to casually trivialise an entire profession as nothing more than a " local issue " is one of the most significant factors preventing the progress of that profession. It institutionalises the fragmentation that we hear people say daily is our biggest enemy. Why should we just accept that? And again, Dr. Bledsoe is not interested in what simply " works " . Like me, he prefers to focus upon what is " first class and exemplary " . Anything less only holds back the profession. Rob ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 On Friday, October 10, 2008 23:09, lnmolino@... said: > But the fact is that there is no national EMS system in the US. At best you have > 50+ systems when in reality you have hundreds more. I don't think allowing a local > area to determine structure and operational parameters of the day in and day out > operations when based on some set of accepted criteria will harm professionalism. Ah, but the devil is in the details of those " accepted criteria " . The fire service consistently fights the elevation of those criteria, which does harm professionalism. If that were not the case, you would be absolutely correct. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Ah but there we bring in the ugly (at times) specter of politics. The term " the fire service " is I'm my view a broad based brush stroke as well. Where I came up the " fire service " did not buck the systems of standards development and criteria building but in fact was a part of those systems. The problem here is again that certain large vocal political entities within the emergency services community have this penchant for bucking the aforementioned systems and frankly they seem to thrive on the proverbial head butting that ensures. Thus is the nature of the game of politics and it is also the game of life in that place called the " real world " . We can bemoan it to death but that is the at times sad reality. LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan Louis N. Molino, Sr. FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Re: Help Needed On Friday, October 10, 2008 23:09, lnmolino@... said: > But the fact is that there is no national EMS system in the US. At best you have > 50+ systems when in reality you have hundreds more. I don't think allowing a local > area to determine structure and operational parameters of the day in and day out > operations when based on some set of accepted criteria will harm professionalism. Ah, but the devil is in the details of those " accepted criteria " . The fire service consistently fights the elevation of those criteria, which does harm professionalism. If that were not the case, you would be absolutely correct. Rob ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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