Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Dear Group, First I would like to present myself. I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, most of all because in my family, noone knows. I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. During these years, I barely met any of them. Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know why. I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, the people kind with me. Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me even more. I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me and understand how much it is painfull inside. Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am my mother's only child .... She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house before selling it. I knew only two months later. I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about that. I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you know how to make family come back tell me. Natacha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 Natacha, This is so very sad! I can't tell you how to get your family to care again. I can't get mine to care either. All I can do is offer my sympathy and say that I understand the depth of your pain. Good luck. > ** > > > Dear Group, > > First I would like to present myself. > > I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my > elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By > reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize > how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from > Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well > my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. > Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. > > But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am > writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I > need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, > most of all because in my family, noone knows. > > I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, > until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. > During these years, I barely met any of them. > Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I > will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met > for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my > driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to > see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back > or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has > certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links > with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 > years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. > > Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against > her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And > most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut > with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I > comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know > why. > > I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact > me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and > start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, > the people kind with me. > Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have > been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, > but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, > because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me > even more. > > I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have > never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me > and understand how much it is painfull inside. > > Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last > year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your > life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack > of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I > think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced > my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. > She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity > during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am > my mother's only child .... > > She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she > sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my > childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house > before selling it. I knew only two months later. > > I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about > that. > > I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think > it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. > She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I > did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her > back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is > telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you > know how to make family come back tell me. > > Natacha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 How very sad. I have been the victim of my mother slandering me to other family members and friends too. You can attempt to contact them, ask to meet with them individually and explain how you feel, what you suspect your mother has lied about. You may change a mind or two. These mothers of ours with BPD do so much damage to us, to our extended family. Many of my family avoid me simply because they want little to do with my mother; since I am her daughter, they think I must be crazy too. It hurts. For some, they just don't want to get involved, they don't really care enough about me to stick their noses into something that may bite them if my mother finds out. My mother always controlled the messages between the family members, I have no idea what lies she told them over the years. And frankly, my mother is weird. People sense the weird and run away. > > Dear Group, > > First I would like to present myself. > > I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. > Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. > > But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, most of all because in my family, noone knows. > > I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. During these years, I barely met any of them. > Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. > > Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know why. > > I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, the people kind with me. > Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me even more. > > I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me and understand how much it is painfull inside. > > Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. > She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am my mother's only child .... > > She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house before selling it. I knew only two months later. > > I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about that. > > I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you know how to make family come back tell me. > > Natacha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hi Natacha, Welcome! I can very much relate to your story. I have a BPD Waif/Queen mother, 2 BPD sisters, and a NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) father. I don't want anything to do with the entire lot of them. They call what you are going through a " Distortion Campaign. "  It is what people with mental illnesses such as BPD and NPD do to gain approval, rally up troops, and fill the empty void inside them. The lies are not true, not even close to truth. The truth is that THEY don't even know what truth is, bc all they do is lie and believe their own lies. The void that BPDs have inside them is SO intense, that they take out their inner most pains on those closest to them, which unfortunately in our cases, their children. The distortion campaigns in my world have always been that I am the crazy one, that I am isolating, andI am sick. Isn't that what they call projection in the mental health world? I have several relationships that have been " collateral damage " due to distortion campaigns--- my grandmother, and my one healthy sister, and my nieces and nephews. They do not have accurate info, and nor do they want accurate info. They choose to just stay away probably out of fear of upsetting the apple cart with the BPD or NPD family member. BPs and NPs are HIGHLY manipulative, and VERY controlling. It's hard to disagree with a BPD or NPD. They will make your life miserable. So, most of my family just agrees with them, and therefore my relationships with others members of my FOO (Family or origin) have been damaged, most have chosen NC (no contact) with me. Funny, because 7 years ago, I went NC with the maternal half of the BPD's and now 8 months ago when my first child was born, I went NC with the paternal side of the NPD. I can only tell you that you can try sending letters to some of your FOO to reach out for support and try to build and repair relationships. I wouldn't even state anything about your BP Mom. You can try to have a relationship with these folks that have nothing to do with your mom. You can see if they respond by just you reaching out and saying you want a relationship with them. If any do respond, then maybe it's meant to be to grow and cultivate those relationships. For me and my situation, I chose to have a Family of Choice--- My son's Christening was last weekend, and there were 40 people invited, 40 people showed. So many people are surrounding me and my new found family, it's just WONDERFUL! They love me, my husband and my son like MAD! And guess what? No mental illness, no hurt, no more distortion campaigns, no cruelty, no yelling or stabbing in the back, no more confusion, sadness, or pain. That's the kind of family I want and deserve! SO DO YOU! Love, Mandy ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 1:46 AM Subject: Re: How to regain the family place if lies of your BDP parents agaist you has cut th  How very sad. I have been the victim of my mother slandering me to other family members and friends too. You can attempt to contact them, ask to meet with them individually and explain how you feel, what you suspect your mother has lied about. You may change a mind or two. These mothers of ours with BPD do so much damage to us, to our extended family. Many of my family avoid me simply because they want little to do with my mother; since I am her daughter, they think I must be crazy too. It hurts. For some, they just don't want to get involved, they don't really care enough about me to stick their noses into something that may bite them if my mother finds out. My mother always controlled the messages between the family members, I have no idea what lies she told them over the years. And frankly, my mother is weird. People sense the weird and run away. > > Dear Group, > > First I would like to present myself. > > I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. > Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. > > But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, most of all because in my family, noone knows. > > I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. During these years, I barely met any of them. > Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. > > Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know why. > > I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, the people kind with me. > Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me even more. > > I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me and understand how much it is painfull inside. > > Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. > She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am my mother's only child .... > > She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house before selling it. I knew only two months later. > > I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about that. > > I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you know how to make family come back tell me. > > Natacha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Thank you for sharing your story, Mandy. I find that very inspiring. Your own spouse and children, and the " Family of Choice " that you have created for yourself made up of the friends you have developed over the years, is a wonderful thing. You are right, we have an option to achieve personal growth and make friends outside of our personality-disordered biological families. We do not have to passively remain mired hip deep in a toxic swamp of their abusive behaviors, merely existing and just passively sucking up the abuse, hoping for a scrap or two of sweetness or gentle treatment now and then. We can drag ourselves out of the swamp and onto dry land, and go make some mentally healthy friends. Thumb's up of admiration and encouragement from me! -Annie > > > > Dear Group, > > > > First I would like to present myself. > > > > I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. > > Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. > > > > But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, most of all because in my family, noone knows. > > > > I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. During these years, I barely met any of them. > > Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. > > > > Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know why. > > > > I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, the people kind with me. > > Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me even more. > > > > I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me and understand how much it is painfull inside. > > > > Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. > > She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am my mother's only child .... > > > > She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house before selling it. I knew only two months later. > > > > I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about that. > > > > I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you know how to make family come back tell me. > > > > Natacha > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2012 Report Share Posted March 2, 2012 Hello Annie,  Thanks so much for the feedback, encouragement, and validation. I am finally letting go of the guilt, manipulation, fear and obligation. It's taken me several years and I am finally feeling FREE!!!  It's a good feeling. I love this chat online support group-- only other KO's understand, I am LOVED, I am LOVABLE, and I am LOVING!  Have a fun weekend to all the KO's out there== do something nice for yourselves! Mandy ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Re: How to regain the family place if lies of your BDP parents agaist you has cut th  Thank you for sharing your story, Mandy. I find that very inspiring. Your own spouse and children, and the " Family of Choice " that you have created for yourself made up of the friends you have developed over the years, is a wonderful thing. You are right, we have an option to achieve personal growth and make friends outside of our personality-disordered biological families. We do not have to passively remain mired hip deep in a toxic swamp of their abusive behaviors, merely existing and just passively sucking up the abuse, hoping for a scrap or two of sweetness or gentle treatment now and then. We can drag ourselves out of the swamp and onto dry land, and go make some mentally healthy friends. Thumb's up of admiration and encouragement from me! -Annie > > > > Dear Group, > > > > First I would like to present myself. > > > > I am 40, single mother of three children. The difficulties I had with my elder son made me doing researches and I found that he should have BPD. By reading the characteristics of the troubles, I was so shocked to realize how much well it described my mother. Then I bought the book from Ann Lawson : " Understanding the Borderline Mother " and I recognized so well my mother as the witch type, and sometimes when I was a child, the queen. > > Then during one year I stopped thinking about this. > > > > But this year as difficulties with my older son increase, and as I am writing a book about my childhood memories, I feel more and more that I need some help to cure about what I have been through all my childhood, most of all because in my family, noone knows. > > > > I was very popular and loved by all my aunties and uncles and cousins, until I moved to Paris to make my university studies during nine years. During these years, I barely met any of them. > > Few years ago, I moved back to my childhood area and I was so happy that I will have more opportunities to see all these families members I hadn't met for years. But they don't live in the same town than me and I don't have my driving licence. So I thought as they have all theirs, they would come to see me or phone. I have contacted them many times but they never call back or come to my home. I have finished by realizing that my mother has certainly said things about me that has made all my family cut all links with me. I have no idea what she has told them, but now I live here for 8 years and if I had no family arround, it would be exactely the same. > > > > Today I thought about this and I felt inside me a lot of anger against her, and also against them. They knew me. Why are they believing her ? And most of all, what could she have said so horrible that they all have cut with me ? Most of my cousins are also my " friends " on a chat line, but if I comment on their profile, they won't answer to me. And I just don't know why. > > > > I think of moving far away, then I could imagine that they don't contact me or come to see me because of the distance. I think I should leave and start a new life somewhere else, and decide that my family are my friends, the people kind with me. > > Once I thought to contact some of my cousins and told them what I have been through all my life with my mother and all what she has done to me, but I never did it, because after thinking of it, I just feel discouraged, because I just think that they won't believe me and then they will hurt me even more. > > > > I have never spoken yet with another adult whose mother had BPD. I have never told about what my mother did to me to someone who will believe me and understand how much it is painfull inside. > > > > Before the age of one year old, I suffered of rickets. I discovered last year by reading the very good book from Louise Hay : " You can heal your life " , that the emotional cause of rickets is " emotional malnutrition, lack of love and security " . I know I have suffered since my very early age. I think it started inside her. Because I was two weeks late and they forced my birth with an injection, I think I didn't want to be born. > > She never gave cuddles and kisses. She hided to me my father's identity during 13 years. My father was her worst enemy and I was her daughter. I am my mother's only child .... > > > > She has done to me so many awfull things, one of the worst was when she sold my Grand-Mother house without telling me and she burned all my childhood and teenager belongings in the garden o my Grand-Mother's house before selling it. I knew only two months later. > > > > I am actually alone in my pain. I have not any kind of support here about that. > > > > I want my family from here to come back to me and be nice with me. I think it is too unfair. I have cut all links with my mother since last June only. She smiled and told me that I will be back in less than 14 months, like I did one time before. I want this time to stay strong and never allow her back in my life. I think all my family from here hate me from what she is telling about me I ignore. I love all of them so much .... Please if you know how to make family come back tell me. > > > > Natacha > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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