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Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter

(he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any

longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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This is the letter I have written:To Whom It May Concern:I, Kathleen Rothschild, wish to attest to teh fact that I have financially assisted Mr. M.P. in the past. It was small amounts, here and there. Sometimes for groceries, other times to help with car issues and gas. If I implied that it was of great sums, I apologize, and feel that that was misconstrued. I am a parent of 5 children and barely have the means myself to help sustain in any way. Currently, I am on disability and can no longer help him out any longer. Please feel free to contact me should you need any further information regarding this matter.Sincerely,Hopefully, this will cover all my bases. I do believe HE had an attorney that is trying to address this, as well as the fact that his life left him for a woman. She left him high and dry. She makes

6 figures as an oncology nurse, and he has been Mr. Mom for as many years as they have been married. He is disabled, and has been waiting years to be granted it. Looks like that will be happening soon. I hope so, as we have assisted him financially a lot.Thanks for your feedback, n. It means the world to me. I'd like your 'take' on my letter.Love to you,KateSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter

(he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any

longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Kate, maybe the fact that he may not be completely legally divorcedfrom his high-dollar earning former wife may be the explanation.Good letter, and I am glad that he has an attorney.This reminds me of the old canard: "No good deed goes unpunished!" is fortunate to have you as his neighbor!Love to you, Kate, and to your generous spirit,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 1:23:57 PMSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some comments

This is the letter I have written:To Whom It May Concern:I, Kathleen Rothschild, wish to attest to teh fact that I have financially assisted Mr. M.P. in the past. It was small amounts, here and there. Sometimes for groceries, other times to help with car issues and gas. If I implied that it was of great sums, I apologize, and feel that that was misconstrued. I am a parent of 5 children and barely have the means myself to help sustain in any way. Currently, I am on disability and can no longer help him out any longer. Please feel free to contact me should you need any further information regarding this matter.Sincerely,Hopefully, this will cover all my bases.

I do believe HE had an attorney that is trying to address this, as well as the fact that his life left him for a woman. She left him high and dry. She makes

6 figures as an oncology nurse, and he has been Mr. Mom for as many years as they have been married. He is disabled, and has been waiting years to be granted it. Looks like that will be happening soon. I hope so, as we have assisted him financially a lot.Thanks for your feedback, n. It means the world to me. I'd like your 'take' on my letter.Love to you,KateSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter

(he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any

longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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There are some things I'd like to see you change, my

"Suggestions/corrections" will be in a different color

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-- big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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oh gosh, n, you're making me blush out here on the east coast! He IS legally divorced, and I believe his lawyer has his hands full trying to juggle supplemental, disability and spousal support, as well as child support (he has 2 sons, the ages of my 2 youngest; they are good friends). Anyway, I like to be a good neighbor, but I do have my limits.love to you my friend,and all my good 'neighbors' here, KateSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter

(he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any

longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Thank you for the input, my dear Editor-in-Chief!

Subject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,n

To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the

letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Hey, what are friends for?

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-- big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him..but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place...should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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That sounds good, Kate. hugs SharonThis email is a natural hand made product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 2:23:57 PMSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some comments

This is the letter I have written:To Whom It May Concern:I, Kathleen Rothschild, wish to attest to teh fact that I have financially assisted Mr. M.P. in the past. It was small amounts, here and there. Sometimes for groceries, other times to help with car issues and gas. If I implied that it was of great sums, I apologize, and feel that that was misconstrued. I am a parent of 5 children and barely have the means myself to help sustain in any way. Currently, I am on disability and can no longer help him out any longer. Please feel free to contact me should you need any further information regarding this matter.Sincerely,Hopefully, this will cover all my bases. I do believe HE had an attorney that is trying to address this, as well as the fact that his life left him for a woman. She left him high and dry. She

makes

6 figures as an oncology nurse, and he has been Mr. Mom for as many years as they have been married. He is disabled, and has been waiting years to be granted it. Looks like that will be happening soon. I hope so, as we have assisted him financially a lot.Thanks for your feedback, n. It means the world to me. I'd like your 'take' on my letter.Love to you,KateSubject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,nTo: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter

(he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any

longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Kate, after sending the letter Akiba helped with, relax. You've been a wonderful friend to Mr. M.P. and I'm sure he'll be grateful to you for writing and trying to help him with his situation.

But your health and your own family's needs have to come first ... hugs, Cait

Thank you for the input, my dear Editor-in-Chief!

Subject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,n

To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Thanks for your words, Cait. Thanks for the gentle reminder about my health and family. There were times when things were real tight here, and Mike would come and ask us to buy a cake ($25) for one of his son's birthdays...come to think of it, we bought he 2 cakes, 1 for each son, at different times. Yup, family has to come first. My health, well, that always seems to go on the back burner, you know?love you,Kate

Subject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,n

To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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$25 for a cake? Boy an I out of the lppo...of course I don't buy cakes, I buy cake mix and bake it myself, and that sure doesn't cost any $25!!!

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http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php

-- big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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25.00 must have been wal-mart , herb's daughter did this for yrs..why i do not know ..this yr she made the bday cake. and was like omg, what was i thinking, buying them ..hay i told her,

Subject: Re: big mistake..../ some commentsTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:12 PM

Kate, does your family have an attorney who would represent himand your family and in writing (with copies to all parties involved),re-explain this situation to the local or state department--what they need to know is that that your neighbor has had no other income, and has survivedonly due to the generosity of his neighbor (your family) before he even appliedfor assistance, and that he has nothing in the way of incoming income orgroceries at this time.I get it that you were just trying to convince them of his financial need.They will use any excuse to save public funds, alas!Love, with highest hopes for you and your neighbor,n

To: MSersLife Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 6:45:36 AMSubject: big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the

letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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You're welcome Kate. I think it's something many of us need to remember now and again :) ... hugs, Cait

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What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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Definitely out of the Cdn loop anyway. $25 is cheap for a bought cake. Of course you could be like (cringing here) waiting for a cake to be at the 'best before' date, get them to ice it, and then tell everyone how cheaply he got it for! ... hugs, Cait

big mistake....

What to do...? I have a neighbor who has been in the process of getting supplemental income while waiting for his disability to come through. I thought I was doing him a favor (that he asked me to do) by stating to the folks at supplemental that I had been helping him out to the tune of $400/mo. That wasn't completely true. We helped him get his car out of storage for $300; paid for groceries at times; helped with gas, etc. Now he has received his supplemental to the tune of barely over $400/mo. He should be eligible for $800/mo. I think I screwed him, without meaning to do so. I thought the more I said I helped him, the more it looked like he needed help. Now he is having me write a letter (he doesn't know that I told them that I was helping with $400/mo.--) stating that I have helped him from time to time, and now am unable to assist him any longer. I wrote the letter for him, and said that I helped from time to time and that I have 5 kids and am on disability myself, and no longer have the means to help him...but I feel like I'm the one who made the big mistake in the first place....should I tell him, or just leave it? I'm feeling guilty, nervous, confused and just all-around bad. ;O(hugs to all,Kate

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