Hey Doctors can you put a Cadavar Lab like this on in Texas?

November 14, 2008

This looks like a highly educational program at a price an EMS person

can afford other than its so far away. I sure wish some of our Docs

would set up an event similiar at a similiar price and multiple times

so as many as possible could improve their understanding of the

workings of the body. Thanks in advance for considering it. In fact

as everything in Texas is bigger and better I bet you can provide

even a better educational experience for even less money.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic Student

Finally off injured reserve

http://www.med.wright.edu/em/caplab/

EMS Cadaver Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Lab

The Department of Emergency Medicine will offer two EMS Cadaver

Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Labs at State University on

December 3 and 4, 2008. These one-day seminars are designed for

emergency medical services personnel who want to learn more about

human anatomy as well as basic and advanced procedures used in EMS.

Participants will receive hands-on experience, have the chance to

handle specimens and gain a detailed working knowledge of the human

body. This is achieved through intense training led by emergency

medicine faculty and residents.

The Labs will begin with registration and a Continental breakfast at

7:45 a.m. The cost is $20 per person. Space is limited and advance

registration is required.

Course Description

The Greater Dayton area is widely known for having a high emergency

patient caseload in its 21 regional hospitals. Advancing the skills

of area EMTs and Paramedics will yield concrete benefits for the

community. This seminar provides an extraordinary educational

opportunity for anyone involved in emergency medical services who

wishes to receive physician instruction on anatomy, physiology, and

basic and advanced procedures.

Attendees obtain experience with new and innovative products. They

receive information on some of the latest technologies in EMS care

and have a chance to evaluate the new equipment first-hand in the

lab. Advanced simulation models provide life-like experiences and

allow participants the opportunity to utilize their EMS skills while

getting real-time feedback and instruction. Participants gain an

understanding of human anatomy as it relates to the EMS provider in

addition to being more informed on the future of EMS care.

During the day-long program, participants rotate through multiple

teaching stations with small group, hands-on instruction. They also

have the opportunity to perform or observe many different procedures

including, but not limited to, the following:

Oral and Nasal Intubations and advanced airway techniques (Airtraq,

Gum bougie, Combitube, Easytube, King LTSD, Cobra PLA etc.)

Cricothyroidotomy — Surgical and Percutaneous (Pertrach, quicktrach,

Nutrach, etc.)

Needle Chest Decompression

Tube Thorocostomy

Pericardiocentesis

Central Venous Access

Intraosseous Access (EZ-IO, B.I.G. IO, etc.)

And many more...

Continuing Education Credits are provided by the National Center For

Medical Readiness to all participants who complete the course. Six

contact hours (three geriatric, one pediatric, one cardiac, and one

trauma) may be awarded.

November 14, 2008

Well, there are cadaver labs, and then there are cadaver labs. If you're

going to use a fresh cadaver and essentially do a detailed autopsy on it, I

don't see any way it could be done for $20 a student.

Fresh cadavers cost anywhere from $1,000 to $3,000 depending upon where you

get them.

Now, if they're using the embalmed and dissected cadavers from the human

anatomy lab, that would probably work. The anatomy labs have many, many

cadavers

embalmed and dissected to illustrate this or that part of the anatomy and

this or that condition (ex: lung cancer).

That might be feasible.

In the DFW area, contact Chiropractic College, or UTHHS-Dallas medical

school or UNT medical school in Ft Worth.

They all arrange cadaver labs.

GG

>

> This looks like a highly educational program at a price an EMS person

> can afford other than its so far away. I sure wish some of our Docs

> would set up an event similiar at a similiar price and multiple times

> so as many as possible could improve their understanding of the

> workings of the body. Thanks in advance for considering it. In fact

> as everything in Texas is bigger and better I bet you can provide

> even a better educational experience for even less money.

>

> Renny Spencer

> EMT-I

> Paramedic Student

> Finally off injured reserve

>

> http://www.med.http://www.http://www

>

> EMS Cadaver Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Lab

> The Department of Emergency Medicine will offer two EMS Cadaver

> Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Labs at State University on

> December 3 and 4, 2008. These one-day seminars are designed for

> emergency medical services personnel who want to learn more about

> human anatomy as well as basic and advanced procedures used in EMS.

> Participants will receive hands-on experience, have the chance to

> handle specimens and gain a detailed working knowledge of the human

> body. This is achieved through intense training led by emergency

> medicine faculty and residents.

>

> The Labs will begin with registration and a Continental breakfast at

> 7:45 a.m. The cost is $20 per person. Space is limited and advance

> registration is required.

>

> Course Description

> The Greater Dayton area is widely known for having a high emergency

> patient caseload in its 21 regional hospitals. Advancing the skills

> of area EMTs and Paramedics will yield concrete benefits for the

> community. This seminar provides an extraordinary educational

> opportunity for anyone involved in emergency medical services who

> wishes to receive physician instruction on anatomy, physiology, and

> basic and advanced procedures.

>

> Attendees obtain experience with new and innovative products. They

> receive information on some of the latest technologies in EMS care

> and have a chance to evaluate the new equipment first-hand in the

> lab. Advanced simulation models provide life-like experiences and

> allow participants the opportunity to utilize their EMS skills while

> getting real-time feedback and instruction. Participants gain an

> understanding of human anatomy as it relates to the EMS provider in

> addition to being more informed on the future of EMS care.

>

> During the day-long program, participants rotate through multiple

> teaching stations with small group, hands-on instruction. They also

> have the opportunity to perform or observe many different procedures

> including, but not limited to, the following:

>

> Oral and Nasal Intubations and advanced airway techniques (Airtraq,

> Gum bougie, Combitube, Easytube, King LTSD, Cobra PLA etc.)

> Cricothyroidotomy â€” Surgical and Percutaneous (Pertrach, quicktrach,

> Nutrach, etc.)

> Needle Chest Decompression

> Tube Thorocostomy

> Pericardiocentesis

> Central Venous Access

> Intraosseous Access (EZ-IO, B.I.G. IO, etc.)

> And many more...

> Continuing Education Credits are provided by the National Center For

> Medical Readiness to all participants who complete the course. Six

> contact hours (three geriatric, one pediatric, one cardiac, and one

> trauma) may be awarded.

>

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November 14, 2008

Renny,

TCOM and MedStar Medical Control Board is conducting a Cadavar Lab during the

Texas EMS Conference next weekend, from reading the course outline, I don't

think that it's going to cover as much and it costs way more than what the one

you pointed out does.

I know that TCOM (Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine) will do these type of

classes, but they have to be for a large group due to the cost. Unless you are

in Med School there and it's part of your Gross Anatomy Class. But, I do have

to agree, it would be nice to have this type of training made available & taught

by emergency physicians.

Wayne

Subject: Hey Doctors can you put a Cadavar Lab like this on in

Texas?

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:44 AM

This looks like a highly educational program at a price an EMS person

can afford other than its so far away. I sure wish some of our Docs

would set up an event similiar at a similiar price and multiple times

so as many as possible could improve their understanding of the

workings of the body. Thanks in advance for considering it. In fact

as everything in Texas is bigger and better I bet you can provide

even a better educational experience for even less money.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic Student

Finally off injured reserve

http://www.med. wright.edu/ em/caplab/

EMS Cadaver Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Lab

The Department of Emergency Medicine will offer two EMS Cadaver

Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Labs at State University on

December 3 and 4, 2008. These one-day seminars are designed for

emergency medical services personnel who want to learn more about

human anatomy as well as basic and advanced procedures used in EMS.

Participants will receive hands-on experience, have the chance to

handle specimens and gain a detailed working knowledge of the human

body. This is achieved through intense training led by emergency

medicine faculty and residents.

The Labs will begin with registration and a Continental breakfast at

7:45 a.m. The cost is $20 per person. Space is limited and advance

registration is required.

Course Description

The Greater Dayton area is widely known for having a high emergency

patient caseload in its 21 regional hospitals. Advancing the skills

of area EMTs and Paramedics will yield concrete benefits for the

community. This seminar provides an extraordinary educational

opportunity for anyone involved in emergency medical services who

wishes to receive physician instruction on anatomy, physiology, and

basic and advanced procedures.

Attendees obtain experience with new and innovative products. They

receive information on some of the latest technologies in EMS care

and have a chance to evaluate the new equipment first-hand in the

lab. Advanced simulation models provide life-like experiences and

allow participants the opportunity to utilize their EMS skills while

getting real-time feedback and instruction. Participants gain an

understanding of human anatomy as it relates to the EMS provider in

addition to being more informed on the future of EMS care.

During the day-long program, participants rotate through multiple

teaching stations with small group, hands-on instruction. They also

have the opportunity to perform or observe many different procedures

including, but not limited to, the following:

Oral and Nasal Intubations and advanced airway techniques (Airtraq,

Gum bougie, Combitube, Easytube, King LTSD, Cobra PLA etc.)

Cricothyroidotomy — Surgical and Percutaneous (Pertrach, quicktrach,

Nutrach, etc.)

Needle Chest Decompression

Tube Thorocostomy

Pericardiocentesis

Central Venous Access

Intraosseous Access (EZ-IO, B.I.G. IO, etc.)

And many more...

Continuing Education Credits are provided by the National Center For

Medical Readiness to all participants who complete the course. Six

contact hours (three geriatric, one pediatric, one cardiac, and one

trauma) may be awarded.

November 15, 2008

Cadaver labs are very expensive. The State Anatomical Board has to be paid.

Believe me, from experience, I can tell you that human dissection can take

weeks. Some medical schools (most) have cadavers that were carefully

dissected by the anatomy professors (called pro-sections). These may be

available, but they tend to be dissected more to teach anatomy than medical

procedures. Cadavers don't have the red arteries, blue veins and yellow

nerves like the books. They really look more like two-day old Thanksgiving

turkey.

BEB

Hey Doctors can you put a Cadavar Lab like this on in

Texas?

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:44 AM

This looks like a highly educational program at a price an EMS person

can afford other than its so far away. I sure wish some of our Docs

would set up an event similiar at a similiar price and multiple times

so as many as possible could improve their understanding of the

workings of the body. Thanks in advance for considering it. In fact

as everything in Texas is bigger and better I bet you can provide

even a better educational experience for even less money.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic Student

Finally off injured reserve

http://www.med. wright.edu/ em/caplab/

EMS Cadaver Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Lab

The Department of Emergency Medicine will offer two EMS Cadaver

Anatomy Procedure (C.A.P.) Labs at State University on

December 3 and 4, 2008. These one-day seminars are designed for

emergency medical services personnel who want to learn more about

human anatomy as well as basic and advanced procedures used in EMS.

Participants will receive hands-on experience, have the chance to

handle specimens and gain a detailed working knowledge of the human

body. This is achieved through intense training led by emergency

medicine faculty and residents.

The Labs will begin with registration and a Continental breakfast at

7:45 a.m. The cost is $20 per person. Space is limited and advance

registration is required.

Course Description

The Greater Dayton area is widely known for having a high emergency

patient caseload in its 21 regional hospitals. Advancing the skills

of area EMTs and Paramedics will yield concrete benefits for the

community. This seminar provides an extraordinary educational

opportunity for anyone involved in emergency medical services who

wishes to receive physician instruction on anatomy, physiology, and

basic and advanced procedures.

Attendees obtain experience with new and innovative products. They

receive information on some of the latest technologies in EMS care

and have a chance to evaluate the new equipment first-hand in the

lab. Advanced simulation models provide life-like experiences and

allow participants the opportunity to utilize their EMS skills while

getting real-time feedback and instruction. Participants gain an

understanding of human anatomy as it relates to the EMS provider in

addition to being more informed on the future of EMS care.

During the day-long program, participants rotate through multiple

teaching stations with small group, hands-on instruction. They also

have the opportunity to perform or observe many different procedures

including, but not limited to, the following:

Oral and Nasal Intubations and advanced airway techniques (Airtraq,

Gum bougie, Combitube, Easytube, King LTSD, Cobra PLA etc.)

Cricothyroidotomy — Surgical and Percutaneous (Pertrach, quicktrach,

Nutrach, etc.)

Needle Chest Decompression

Tube Thorocostomy

Pericardiocentesis

Central Venous Access

Intraosseous Access (EZ-IO, B.I.G. IO, etc.)

And many more...

Continuing Education Credits are provided by the National Center For

Medical Readiness to all participants who complete the course. Six

contact hours (three geriatric, one pediatric, one cardiac, and one

trauma) may be awarded.

November 15, 2008

Yes, but.......

Having prowled through most of the tanks at both and TCOM, they have

some wonderful pro-sections. For example, if you want to look inside and see

one with all the thoracic organs out so that you can see the spinal column and

all the nerves clearly, that's great. They've also got lungs, hearts,

livers, fetuses, tumors, and all the other stuff that went into the turkey for

you

to play with. It's great to be able to see a real human larynx with all the

structures intact in several different sizes and so forth.

But you're right, it costs $$$$.

GG

>

> Cadaver labs are very expensive. The State Anatomical Board has to be paid.

> Believe me, from experience, I can tell you that human dissection can take

> weeks. Some medical schools (most) have cadavers that were carefully

> dissected by the anatomy professors (called pro-sections) dissected by t

> available, but they tend to be dissected more to teach anatomy than medical

> procedures. Cadavers don't have the red arteries, blue veins and yellow

> nerves like the books. They really look more like two-day old Thanksgiving

> turkey.

>

> BEB

>

> Hey Doctors can you put a Cadavar Lab like this on in

> Texas?

> To: texasems-l@yahoogrotexasem

> Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 8:44 AM

>

> This looks like a highly educational program at a price an EMS person

> can afford other than its so far away. I sure wish some of our Docs

> would set up an event similiar at a similiar price and multiple times

> so as many as possible could improve their understanding of the

> workings of the body. Thanks in advance for considering it. In fact

> as everything in Texas is bigger and better I bet you can provide

> even a better educational experience for even less money.

>

> Renny Spencer

> EMT-I

> Paramedic Student

> Finally off injured reserve

>

> http://www.med. wright.edu/ em/caplab/