Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

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To pass info from off-list inquiries:

I've come to really respect this product & every day I'm more amazed by it.

This product breaks down the surface tension of the cells helping awaken &

assist the immune system to function better. It is very safe & very effective.

This e-mail is done based soley on my experience, asking a ton of ?'s from some

of my good resources and as I've gleaned.....NOT as a representative of the

company:

• Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day

• Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune

concerns): 16 drops 2x a day

• Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a

day.

• Most Children are at 1/2 doses

• What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are

experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a

day & watching/modifying as needed.

Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be

children @ 8 drops once or twice a day.

Remember, this product is a very good anti-viral, anti-bacterial,

anti-parasitic. It will help carry deeper the good stuff you're using (because

of this I dose the good stuff with it, especially liquid things like

vitamins....that would include natural vitamins like Alfalfa...considered the

" poor mans vitamins " & Chlorella which are both considered super foods, high in

vitamins, b's & good binders. Use the surfactants to push them further into the

body helping assimilate it into the system. It can also be used topically (put

in a good spray bottle, preferably glass, mix a few drops with water & spray

onto sores & skin conditions...personally I'd laser after applying to push in

further after applying). We have personally seen this work fantastic with

. As soon as I get a chance I will post up 's most recent Doctors

Data Hair Analysis which showed significant improvement in his mineral levels

..the only thing we really changed this year was adding the surfactants.

It is also my understanding that it breaks the blood brain barrier so use it to

further oxygenate brain cells (especially if you have water that is highly

oxygenated like Kangen water is). Being considered a whole food itself, it will

take what it needs out of the food taken with it (like liquid minerals) &

further assist it to assimilate into the cell. We have just experienced the

power of this with my husband's recent hip replacement surgery. He totally

amazed both the docs & nurses with his excellent blood work including his blood

oxygen level that was significantly less loss than normal for the procedure (we

were told by the doctor that it normally drops 15-20 pts my husband's only

dropped 3 pts & that this low drop was the main contributor to not needing a

blood transfusion during the surgery like they would normally do). His hospital

stay ended up being less than 48 hours when normal is 3-5 days. As it turns out,

one of the nurses in the hospital commented that she had never seen an oxygen

drop this low before ..further into the conversation ( & just having met )

she disclosed that she has also been seeing a DAN Dr for her ASD son (5

non-verbal).

Further discussion lead to us meeting up with the pediatrician I have been

mentoring (Last year I started helping her with her non-verbal son .she started

on the surfactants last spring .her son is doing fantastic & now talks up a

storm. With him we had to add in more binders for him that ended up being

alfalfa to assist binding the metals dumping this really helped with the slight

increase in his stimming from the body getting rid of the toxic metals. He did

even better on the surfactants taken together with the alfalfa). Being from a

medical background they both knew about surfactants, they both did additional

research & are now both using it (both moms & sons).

Additional thoughts on the oxygen thing w/surfactants .As I was pondering this

oxygen thing after his surgery, at the park w/the kids we were playing with

bubbles .hummm I thought, bubbles are a type of surfactant it turns from liquid

into an air floating bubble with very little surfactant. We were having fun

re-catching the bubbles with the stick we would then re-blow the bubble again

...the wheels were turning in my mind as I thought of how the body would use the

surfactants reducing the surface tension of the cells & how the body would be

using so little to do so much good).

As much as possible, try & keep drug/rx dosed at least an hour away from it as

you don't want to push it further into the body or further enhance the potency

of the rx.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU DO WITH THIS IS TAKE IT WITH A FULL GLASS OF

WATER....water is what's used to carry/disburse/activate it throughout the body.

Hope this info if further helpful,

Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > > consumer I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > product

> > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as

> > > it's

> > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the

> > > process

> > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?'s

> > > > > on-list .again to protect the product in this open group format.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new

> > > level

> > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > fall.

> > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system

> > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to

> > > hide

> > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It " turns

> > > on "

> > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has

> > > been

> > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can

> > > get

> > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs &

> > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > brain) ..for

> > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost

> > > the

> > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use .all with

> > > NO

> > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > food.

> > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of

> > > our WA

> > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not

> > > seen

> > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > not

> > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of

> > > our

> > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you

> > > take

> > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water.

> > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > personally

> > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > Pediatric

> > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > survival

> > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena .the dr. said the

> > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > cost.

> > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > drug,

> > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme .It's

> > > history

> > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases .didn't

> > > stop

> > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system .with my BioMedical

> > > mindset

> > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > with

> > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our

> > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is doing

> > > on

> > > > > this product (for those that see our docs .last month I brought

> > > them

> > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A

> > > small

> > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group

> > > including

> > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > recovering

> > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis

> > > with

> > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > tech in

> > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have

> > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60

> > > days

> > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the

> > > immune

> > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & 's viral,

> > > lyme,

> > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART

> > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,

> > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > intervention

> > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful

> > > > > detox .this was no different. The first couple of months along

> > > with

> > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > frustration .some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > some

> > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > 3

> > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > (to

> > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement even

> > > some

> > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > curriculum uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > movement

> > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

> > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

> > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which

> > > we

> > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > (especially

> > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > topically &

> > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she

> > > used

> > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals

> > > in

> > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing .we're talking cellular

> > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

> > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

> > > watered

> > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > back

> > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > flexible .I've

> > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW

> > > weather

> > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched

> > > this

> > > > > tree .this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > this

> > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose

> > > to

> > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning

> > > home

> > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil

> > > plant to

> > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on

> > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > value

> > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help

> > > me

> > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV.

> > > Any

> > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This

> > > product

> > > > > is not like any other product we have used .it is beneficial to

> > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system.

> > > It

> > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to

> > > tackle

> > > > > things .it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper

> > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not

> > > need

> > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting

> > > our

> > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > that

> > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well

> > > on

> > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was

> > > wrong

> > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that it was all

> > > the

> > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a

> > > few of

> > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important!

> > > If

> > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a

> > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to

> > > see

> > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> > > tested

> > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> > > > > support items) . & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > related

> > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > cleaning

> > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good

> > > binders

> > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > piggybacked

> > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

> > > > > items.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ps I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > review

> > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto ..any other docs that

> > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > about

> > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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antiviral, antibacterial, drops. kind of sounds like biocidin. any one else chime in? To pass info from off-list inquiries: I've come to really respect this product & every day I'm more amazed by it. This product breaks down the surface tension of the cells helping awaken & assist the immune system to function better. It is very safe & very effective. This e-mail is done based soley on my experience, asking a ton of ?'s from some of my good resources and as I've gleaned.....NOT as a representative of the company: • Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day • Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune concerns): 16 drops 2x a day • Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a day. • Most Children are at 1/2 doses • What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a day & watching/modifying as needed. Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be children @ 8 drops once or twice a day. Remember, this product is a very good anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic. It will help carry deeper the good stuff you're using (because of this I dose the good stuff with it, especially liquid things like vitamins....that would include natural vitamins like Alfalfa...considered the "poor mans vitamins" & Chlorella which are both considered super foods, high in vitamins, b's & good binders. Use the surfactants to push them further into the body helping assimilate it into the system. It can also be used topically (put in a good spray bottle, preferably glass, mix a few drops with water & spray onto sores & skin conditions...personally I'd laser after applying to push in further after applying). We have personally seen this work fantastic with . As soon as I get a chance I will post up 's most recent Doctors Data Hair Analysis which showed significant improvement in his mineral levels….the only thing we really changed this year was adding the surfactants. It is also my understanding that it breaks the blood brain barrier so use it to further oxygenate brain cells (especially if you have water that is highly oxygenated like Kangen water is). Being considered a whole food itself, it will take what it needs out of the food taken with it (like liquid minerals) & further assist it to assimilate into the cell. We have just experienced the power of this with my husband's recent hip replacement surgery. He totally amazed both the docs & nurses with his excellent blood work including his blood oxygen level that was significantly less loss than normal for the procedure (we were told by the doctor that it normally drops 15-20 pts…my husband's only dropped 3 pts & that this low drop was the main contributor to not needing a blood transfusion during the surgery like they would normally do). His hospital stay ended up being less than 48 hours when normal is 3-5 days. As it turns out, one of the nurses in the hospital commented that she had never seen an oxygen drop this low before…..further into the conversation ( & just having met ) she disclosed that she has also been seeing a DAN Dr for her ASD son (5 non-verbal). Further discussion lead to us meeting up with the pediatrician I have been mentoring (Last year I started helping her with her non-verbal son….she started on the surfactants last spring….her son is doing fantastic & now talks up a storm. With him we had to add in more binders…for him that ended up being alfalfa to assist binding the metals dumping…this really helped with the slight increase in his stimming from the body getting rid of the toxic metals. He did even better on the surfactants taken together with the alfalfa). Being from a medical background they both knew about surfactants, they both did additional research & are now both using it (both moms & sons). Additional thoughts on the oxygen thing w/surfactants….As I was pondering this oxygen thing after his surgery, at the park w/the kids we were playing with bubbles….hummm I thought, bubbles are a type of surfactant…it turns from liquid into an air floating bubble…with very little surfactant. We were having fun re-catching the bubbles with the stick…we would then re-blow the bubble again…..the wheels were turning in my mind as I thought of how the body would use the surfactants reducing the surface tension of the cells & how the body would be using so little to do so much good). As much as possible, try & keep drug/rx dosed at least an hour away from it as you don't want to push it further into the body or further enhance the potency of the rx. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU DO WITH THIS IS TAKE IT WITH A FULL GLASS OF WATER....water is what's used to carry/disburse/activate it throughout the body. Hope this info if further helpful, Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a > > > > > consumer…I just want to share what I have found. > > > > > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the > > > product > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as > > > it's > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the > > > process > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?'s > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new > > > level > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last > > > fall. > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to > > > hide > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It "turns > > > on" > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has > > > been > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can > > > get > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the > > > brain)…..for > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost > > > the > > > > > LDM-100. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it: > > > > > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with > > > NO > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole > > > food. > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of > > > our WA > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not > > > seen > > > > > any negative reactions. > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do > > > not > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of > > > our > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you > > > take > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water. > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We > > > personally > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C).. > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a > > > Pediatric > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the > > > survival > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high > > > cost. > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants: > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants: > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or > > > drug, > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on > > > > > surfactants in general. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's > > > history > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't > > > stop > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical > > > mindset > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues > > > with > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is doing > > > on > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought > > > them > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A > > > small > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group > > > including > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several > > > recovering > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis > > > with > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab > > > tech in > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60 > > > days > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the > > > immune > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & 's viral, > > > lyme, > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around, > > > > > physically, socially & educationally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with : > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical > > > intervention > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful > > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along > > > with > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be > > > some > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only > > > 3 > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids > > > (to > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even > > > some > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals > > > movement > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which > > > we > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders > > > (especially > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys > > > topically & > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she > > > used > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals > > > in > > > > > our protocol). > > > > > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was > > > watered > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his > > > back > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & > > > flexible….I've > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW > > > weather > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched > > > this > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of > > > this > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose > > > to > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning > > > home > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her "not-doing-so-well" basil > > > plant to > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on > > > > > animals including dogs & horses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I > > > value > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help > > > me > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV. > > > Any > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This > > > product > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system. > > > It > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to > > > tackle > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not > > > need > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting > > > our > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman > > > that > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well > > > on > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was > > > wrong > > > > > because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that it was all > > > the > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a > > > few of > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important! > > > If > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to > > > see > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART > > > tested > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox > > > related > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is > > > cleaning > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good > > > binders > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have > > > piggybacked > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target > > > > > items. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to > > > review > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited > > > about > > > > > this product!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

im sorry what is the name/brand of this product you are using?

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:41 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

To pass info from off-list inquiries:I've come to really respect this product & every day I'm more amazed by it. This product breaks down the surface tension of the cells helping awaken & assist the immune system to function better. It is very safe & very effective. This e-mail is done based soley on my experience, asking a ton of ?'s from some of my good resources and as I've gleaned.....NOT as a representative of the company:• Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day• Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune concerns): 16 drops 2x a day• Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a day.• Most Children are at 1/2 doses• What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a day & watching/modifying as needed.Optimum

dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be children @ 8 drops once or twice a day.Remember, this product is a very good anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic. It will help carry deeper the good stuff you're using (because of this I dose the good stuff with it, especially liquid things like vitamins....that would include natural vitamins like Alfalfa...considered the "poor mans vitamins" & Chlorella which are both considered super foods, high in vitamins, b's & good binders. Use the surfactants to push them further into the body helping assimilate it into the system. It can also be used topically (put in a good spray bottle, preferably glass, mix a few drops with water & spray onto sores & skin conditions...personally I'd laser after applying to push in further after applying). We have personally seen this work fantastic with . As soon as I get a chance I will post up 's most recent Doctors

Data Hair Analysis which showed significant improvement in his mineral levels….the only thing we really changed this year was adding the surfactants.It is also my understanding that it breaks the blood brain barrier so use it to further oxygenate brain cells (especially if you have water that is highly oxygenated like Kangen water is). Being considered a whole food itself, it will take what it needs out of the food taken with it (like liquid minerals) & further assist it to assimilate into the cell. We have just experienced the power of this with my husband's recent hip replacement surgery. He totally amazed both the docs & nurses with his excellent blood work including his blood oxygen level that was significantly less loss than normal for the procedure (we were told by the doctor that it normally drops 15-20 pts…my husband's only dropped 3 pts & that this low drop was the main contributor to not needing a blood transfusion during

the surgery like they would normally do). His hospital stay ended up being less than 48 hours when normal is 3-5 days. As it turns out, one of the nurses in the hospital commented that she had never seen an oxygen drop this low before…..further into the conversation ( & just having met ) she disclosed that she has also been seeing a DAN Dr for her ASD son (5 non-verbal). Further discussion lead to us meeting up with the pediatrician I have been mentoring (Last year I started helping her with her non-verbal son….she started on the surfactants last spring….her son is doing fantastic & now talks up a storm. With him we had to add in more binders…for him that ended up being alfalfa to assist binding the metals dumping…this really helped with the slight increase in his stimming from the body getting rid of the toxic metals. He did even better on the surfactants taken together with the alfalfa). Being from a medical background they

both knew about surfactants, they both did additional research & are now both using it (both moms & sons).Additional thoughts on the oxygen thing w/surfactants….As I was pondering this oxygen thing after his surgery, at the park w/the kids we were playing with bubbles….hummm I thought, bubbles are a type of surfactant…it turns from liquid into an air floating bubble…with very little surfactant. We were having fun re-catching the bubbles with the stick…we would then re-blow the bubble again…..the wheels were turning in my mind as I thought of how the body would use the surfactants reducing the surface tension of the cells & how the body would be using so little to do so much good).As much as possible, try & keep drug/rx dosed at least an hour away from it as you don't want to push it further into the body or further enhance the potency of the rx. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU DO WITH THIS IS TAKE IT WITH

A FULL GLASS OF WATER....water is what's used to carry/disburse/activate it throughout the body.Hope this info if further helpful,Rita> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a>

> > > > consumer…I just want to share what I have found.> > > > > >> > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've> > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the> > > product> > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as> > > it's> > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the> > > process> > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?'s> > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new> > > level> > > > > of

healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last> > > fall.> > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system> > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to> > > hide> > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It "turns> > > on"> > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has> > > been> > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can> > > get> > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the> > > brain)…..for> > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to

additionally boost> > > the> > > > > LDM-100.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:> > > > > >> > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas> > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with> > > NO> > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole> > > food.> > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of> > > our WA> > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not> > > seen> > > > > any negative reactions.> > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for

either topical or> > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do> > > not> > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of> > > our> > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you> > > take> > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water.> > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We> > > personally> > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..> > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a> > > Pediatric> > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the> > > survival> > > > > rate of

premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the> > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high> > > cost.> > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:> > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant> > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:> > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant> > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or> > > drug,> > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on> > > > > surfactants in general.> > >

> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's> > > history> > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't> > > stop> > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical> > > mindset> > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues> > > with> > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our> > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is doing> > > on> > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought> > > them> > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A> > >

small> > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group> > > including> > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several> > > recovering> > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis> > > with> > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing> > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab> > > tech in> > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have> > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60> > > days> >

> > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the> > > immune> > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & 's viral,> > > lyme,> > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART> > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,> > > > > physically, socially & educationally.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :> > > > > >> > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes> > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical> > > intervention> > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

successful> > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along> > > with> > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra> > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be> > > some> > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle> > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only> > > 3> > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids> > > (to> > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even> > > some> > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning> > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math> > >

> > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals> > > movement> > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but> > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we> > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which> > > we> > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders> > > (especially> > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys> > > topically & > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she> > > used> > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals> > > in> > > > > our protocol).> > > > >

>> > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular> > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a> > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was> > > watered> > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was> > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his> > > back> > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & > > > flexible….I've> > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW> > > weather> > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched> > > this> > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you

the picture of> > > this> > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose> > > to> > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning> > > home> > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her "not-doing-so-well" basil> > > plant to> > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on> > > > > animals including dogs & horses.> > > > > >> > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I> > > value> > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help> > > me> > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV.> > > Any> > > >

> ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This> > > product> > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to> > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system.> > > It> > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to> > > tackle> > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper> > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not> > > need> > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting> > > our> > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > One other thing of note. In

researching this I spoke with a woman> > > that> > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well> > > on> > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was> > > wrong> > > > > because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that it was all> > > the> > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a> > > few of> > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important!> > > If> > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a> > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to> > > see> > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing

ART> > > tested> > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food> > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox> > > related> > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is> > > cleaning> > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good> > > binders> > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have> > > piggybacked> > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target> > > > > items.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to> > > review> > > > > this w/him & get him a

sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that> > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the> > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited> > > about> > > > > this product!!!> > > > > >> > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html> > > > > >> > > > > > Rita> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, it was in the original post & I forgot to repost the link.

The biggest complaint on the product is the color & flavor...they are all

natural....and while I am very careful w/diet, the benefitial properties of this

product have far outweighed this issue. We have not had any negative side

effects with our WA group using this product except the slight increase in

stimming which was reduced by adding extra binders.

Another comment from off-list e-mail support on this. Stay on your current

protocols...do not add anything else when adding something new...a basic biomed

principle....so you can watch for changes & make appropriate adjustments. Try &

keep it away from rx's as much as possible. Take it w/good stuff to help the

body assimalate into the body (like vitamins/good fats).

Here's the link to the product:

http://immusist.com/

Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a

> > > > > > consumer…I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've

> > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the

> > > > product

> > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as

> > > > it's

> > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the

> > > > process

> > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but not all?'s

> > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new

> > > > level

> > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last

> > > > fall.

> > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system

> > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to

> > > > hide

> > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It " turns

> > > > on "

> > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has

> > > > been

> > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can

> > > > get

> > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs &

> > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > > brain)…..for

> > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost

> > > > the

> > > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas

> > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with

> > > > NO

> > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole

> > > > food.

> > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of

> > > > our WA

> > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not

> > > > seen

> > > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or

> > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do

> > > > not

> > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of

> > > > our

> > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you

> > > > take

> > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water.

> > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > > personally

> > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..

> > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > > Pediatric

> > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the

> > > > survival

> > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the

> > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high

> > > > cost.

> > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:

> > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > drug,

> > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

> > > > history

> > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't

> > > > stop

> > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

> > > > mindset

> > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues

> > > > with

> > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our

> > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is doing

> > > > on

> > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought

> > > > them

> > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A

> > > > small

> > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group

> > > > including

> > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > > recovering

> > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis

> > > > with

> > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing

> > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab

> > > > tech in

> > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have

> > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60

> > > > days

> > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the

> > > > immune

> > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & 's viral,

> > > > lyme,

> > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART

> > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,

> > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes

> > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > intervention

> > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful

> > > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along

> > > > with

> > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > > some

> > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle

> > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only

> > > > 3

> > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids

> > > > (to

> > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even

> > > > some

> > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > > movement

> > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but

> > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we

> > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which

> > > > we

> > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > > (especially

> > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > topically &

> > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she

> > > > used

> > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals

> > > > in

> > > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular

> > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a

> > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was

> > > > watered

> > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was

> > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his

> > > > back

> > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > flexible….I've

> > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad NW

> > > > weather

> > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched

> > > > this

> > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > > this

> > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose

> > > > to

> > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning

> > > > home

> > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well " basil

> > > > plant to

> > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on

> > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the years, I

> > > > value

> > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help

> > > > me

> > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV.

> > > > Any

> > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This

> > > > product

> > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to

> > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system.

> > > > It

> > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to

> > > > tackle

> > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper

> > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we should not

> > > > need

> > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting

> > > > our

> > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman

> > > > that

> > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well

> > > > on

> > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was

> > > > wrong

> > > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that it was all

> > > > the

> > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a

> > > > few of

> > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important!

> > > > If

> > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a

> > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to

> > > > see

> > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART

> > > > tested

> > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food

> > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > > related

> > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > > cleaning

> > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure good

> > > > binders

> > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > > piggybacked

> > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target

> > > > > > items.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > > review

> > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that

> > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the

> > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited

> > > > about

> > > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Margie,

With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do not

mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone else

chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible surfactants...see

prior postings at the bottom of this thread).

Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing

whole food properties:

http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htm

The main ingredients being:

Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea

& angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed

extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry,

Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower),

Oregano oil (plant and flower).

My son has used most of these in his recovery so I am well aware of their

healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs,

diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both

natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters

in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3

years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at

one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his

degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on

just 4 months with the surfactants.

The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are

mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible

properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the

cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate things better

into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the

park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the

body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better

survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants

(in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians &

staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks

will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making

survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things

are well lubed they just work better.

If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on

their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the

body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the

same time as the surfactants...vary the start to better track each.

Thanks for letting me cut in....

Blessings,

Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but

> > as a

> > > > > > > consumer I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

> > what we've

> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

> > the

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > bottom) as

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in

> > the

> > > > > process

> > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but

> > not all?'s

> > > > > > > on-list .again to protect the product in this open group

> > format.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to

> > a new

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into

> > it last

> > > > > fall.

> > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

> > immune system

> > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

> > that try to

> > > > > hide

> > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It

> > " turns

> > > > > on "

> > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself.

> > It has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so

> > the body can

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like

> > herbs &

> > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > > > brain) ..for

> > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to

> > additionally boost

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

> > overseas

> > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

> > use .all with

> > > > > NO

> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as

> > a whole

> > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

> > group of

> > > > > our WA

> > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it

> > have not

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

> > topical or

> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

> > down & do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it

> > w/some of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The

> > way you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount

> > of water.

> > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the

> > vit C)..

> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > > > Pediatric

> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

> > the

> > > > > survival

> > > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena .the dr.

> > said the

> > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

> > high

> > > > > cost.

> > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on

> > surfactants:

> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > drug,

> > > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme .It's

> > > > > history

> > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases .didn't

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system .with my BioMedical

> > > > > mindset

> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

> > related issues

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

> > including our

> > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

> > he is doing

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs .last month I

> > brought

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested

> > on it). A

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level

> > group

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > > > recovering

> > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are

> > good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

> > cellular basis

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

> > had amazing

> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including

> > a lab

> > > > > tech in

> > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told

> > me to have

> > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > 30-60

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements

> > in the

> > > > > immune

> > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months &

> > 's viral,

> > > > > lyme,

> > > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced

> > (per ART

> > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

> > around,

> > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

> > that comes

> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > intervention

> > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > successful

> > > > > > > detox .this was no different. The first couple of months

> > along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > frustration .some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

> > in Middle

> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

> > combinations) & only

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about

> > 800 kids

> > > > > (to

> > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement

> > even

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > > > curriculum uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > > > movement

> > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming

> > for us but

> > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing

> > detox we

> > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser

> > supports which

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > > > (especially

> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > topically &

> > > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > minerals (she

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> > standard minerals

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing .we're talking

> > cellular

> > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20,

> > 2011) of a

> > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It

> > was

> > > > > watered

> > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month

> > that it was

> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > put on his

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > flexible .I've

> > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

> > bad NW

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally

> > watched

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > tree .this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out

> > it's suppose

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group

> > returning

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> > basil

> > > > > plant to

> > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used

> > successfully on

> > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

> > years, I

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

> > to help

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

> > or XMRV.

> > > > > Any

> > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > This

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used .it is

> > beneficial to

> > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > immune system.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> > system to

> > > > > tackle

> > > > > > > things .it's our immune systems that need to be reset to

> > proper

> > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we

> > should not

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on

> > resetting

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

> > with a woman

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

> > real well

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

> > what was

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > it was all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed

> > all but a

> > > > > few of

> > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is

> > important!

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling

> > well after a

> > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on

> > & check to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing

> > ART

> > > > > tested

> > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically

> > whole food

> > > > > > > support items) . & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > > > cleaning

> > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure

> > good

> > > > > binders

> > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > > > piggybacked

> > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them

> > & target

> > > > > > > items.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ps I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > > > review

> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto ..any other

> > docs that

> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/

> > either the

> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

> > excited

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes

It sounds like Biocidin to me too! We have had a positive results with Biocidin

recently in term of cognition/clarity, but not sure if its going to kill our

parasites yet, still about 3 weeks off finishing the Biofilm Protocol, then

test. Very very interested in this product. So interested that I am sending

the info to my doc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but

> > as a

> > > > > > > consumer I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

> > what we've

> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

> > the

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > bottom) as

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in

> > the

> > > > > process

> > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but

> > not all?'s

> > > > > > > on-list .again to protect the product in this open group

> > format.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to

> > a new

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into

> > it last

> > > > > fall.

> > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

> > immune system

> > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

> > that try to

> > > > > hide

> > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It

> > " turns

> > > > > on "

> > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself.

> > It has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so

> > the body can

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like

> > herbs &

> > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > > > brain) ..for

> > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to

> > additionally boost

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

> > overseas

> > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

> > use .all with

> > > > > NO

> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as

> > a whole

> > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

> > group of

> > > > > our WA

> > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it

> > have not

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

> > topical or

> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

> > down & do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it

> > w/some of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The

> > way you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount

> > of water.

> > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the

> > vit C)..

> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > > > Pediatric

> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

> > the

> > > > > survival

> > > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena .the dr.

> > said the

> > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

> > high

> > > > > cost.

> > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on

> > surfactants:

> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > drug,

> > > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme .It's

> > > > > history

> > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases .didn't

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system .with my BioMedical

> > > > > mindset

> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

> > related issues

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

> > including our

> > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

> > he is doing

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs .last month I

> > brought

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested

> > on it). A

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level

> > group

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > > > recovering

> > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are

> > good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

> > cellular basis

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

> > had amazing

> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including

> > a lab

> > > > > tech in

> > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told

> > me to have

> > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > 30-60

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements

> > in the

> > > > > immune

> > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months &

> > 's viral,

> > > > > lyme,

> > > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced

> > (per ART

> > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

> > around,

> > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

> > that comes

> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > intervention

> > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > successful

> > > > > > > detox .this was no different. The first couple of months

> > along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > frustration .some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

> > in Middle

> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

> > combinations) & only

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about

> > 800 kids

> > > > > (to

> > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement

> > even

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > > > curriculum uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > > > movement

> > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming

> > for us but

> > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing

> > detox we

> > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser

> > supports which

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > > > (especially

> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > topically &

> > > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > minerals (she

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> > standard minerals

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing .we're talking

> > cellular

> > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20,

> > 2011) of a

> > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It

> > was

> > > > > watered

> > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month

> > that it was

> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > put on his

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > flexible .I've

> > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

> > bad NW

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally

> > watched

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > tree .this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out

> > it's suppose

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group

> > returning

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> > basil

> > > > > plant to

> > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used

> > successfully on

> > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

> > years, I

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

> > to help

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

> > or XMRV.

> > > > > Any

> > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > This

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used .it is

> > beneficial to

> > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > immune system.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> > system to

> > > > > tackle

> > > > > > > things .it's our immune systems that need to be reset to

> > proper

> > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we

> > should not

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on

> > resetting

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

> > with a woman

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

> > real well

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

> > what was

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > it was all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed

> > all but a

> > > > > few of

> > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is

> > important!

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling

> > well after a

> > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on

> > & check to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing

> > ART

> > > > > tested

> > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically

> > whole food

> > > > > > > support items) . & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > > > cleaning

> > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure

> > good

> > > > > binders

> > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > > > piggybacked

> > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them

> > & target

> > > > > > > items.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ps I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > > > review

> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto ..any other

> > docs that

> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/

> > either the

> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

> > excited

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes

It sounds like Biocidin to me too! We have had a positive results with Biocidin

recently in term of cognition/clarity, but not sure if its going to kill our

parasites yet, still about 3 weeks off finishing the Biofilm Protocol, then

test. Very very interested in this product. So interested that I am sending

the info to my doc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but

> > as a

> > > > > > > consumer I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

> > what we've

> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

> > the

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > bottom) as

> > > > > it's

> > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in

> > the

> > > > > process

> > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but

> > not all?'s

> > > > > > > on-list .again to protect the product in this open group

> > format.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to

> > a new

> > > > > level

> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into

> > it last

> > > > > fall.

> > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

> > immune system

> > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

> > that try to

> > > > > hide

> > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It

> > " turns

> > > > > on "

> > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself.

> > It has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so

> > the body can

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like

> > herbs &

> > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > > > brain) ..for

> > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to

> > additionally boost

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

> > overseas

> > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

> > use .all with

> > > > > NO

> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as

> > a whole

> > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

> > group of

> > > > > our WA

> > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it

> > have not

> > > > > seen

> > > > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

> > topical or

> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

> > down & do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it

> > w/some of

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The

> > way you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount

> > of water.

> > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > > > personally

> > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the

> > vit C)..

> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > > > Pediatric

> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

> > the

> > > > > survival

> > > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena .the dr.

> > said the

> > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

> > high

> > > > > cost.

> > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on

> > surfactants:

> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > drug,

> > > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme .It's

> > > > > history

> > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases .didn't

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system .with my BioMedical

> > > > > mindset

> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

> > related issues

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

> > including our

> > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

> > he is doing

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs .last month I

> > brought

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested

> > on it). A

> > > > > small

> > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level

> > group

> > > > > including

> > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > > > recovering

> > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are

> > good.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

> > cellular basis

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

> > had amazing

> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including

> > a lab

> > > > > tech in

> > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told

> > me to have

> > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > 30-60

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements

> > in the

> > > > > immune

> > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months &

> > 's viral,

> > > > > lyme,

> > > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced

> > (per ART

> > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

> > around,

> > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

> > that comes

> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > intervention

> > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > successful

> > > > > > > detox .this was no different. The first couple of months

> > along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > frustration .some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

> > in Middle

> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

> > combinations) & only

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about

> > 800 kids

> > > > > (to

> > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement

> > even

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > > > curriculum uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > > > movement

> > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming

> > for us but

> > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing

> > detox we

> > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser

> > supports which

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > > > (especially

> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > topically &

> > > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > minerals (she

> > > > > used

> > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> > standard minerals

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing .we're talking

> > cellular

> > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20,

> > 2011) of a

> > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It

> > was

> > > > > watered

> > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month

> > that it was

> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > put on his

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > flexible .I've

> > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

> > bad NW

> > > > > weather

> > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally

> > watched

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > tree .this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out

> > it's suppose

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group

> > returning

> > > > > home

> > > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> > basil

> > > > > plant to

> > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used

> > successfully on

> > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

> > years, I

> > > > > value

> > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

> > to help

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

> > or XMRV.

> > > > > Any

> > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > This

> > > > > product

> > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used .it is

> > beneficial to

> > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > immune system.

> > > > > It

> > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> > system to

> > > > > tackle

> > > > > > > things .it's our immune systems that need to be reset to

> > proper

> > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we

> > should not

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on

> > resetting

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

> > with a woman

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

> > real well

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

> > what was

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > it was all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed

> > all but a

> > > > > few of

> > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is

> > important!

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling

> > well after a

> > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on

> > & check to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing

> > ART

> > > > > tested

> > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically

> > whole food

> > > > > > > support items) . & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > > > related

> > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > > > cleaning

> > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure

> > good

> > > > > binders

> > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > > > piggybacked

> > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them

> > & target

> > > > > > > items.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ps I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > > > review

> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto ..any other

> > docs that

> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/

> > either the

> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

> > excited

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Whne I first heard the word surfactant (from you Rita), a google search came up with detergents, soaps and fire extinguishers. Freaked me right out and I could not imagine what you were giving your child.

It wasn't until I bought some fruit and vegetable wash and learned that it was a surfactant derived from coconuts (which might explain all the healing properties of the coconut) that I realized surfactants can be natural and edible.

For those of you wondering, yes. I spent the better part of 40 years living under a rock : )

Just a thought

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:37 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Margie,With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing whole food properties:http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htmThe main ingredients being:Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).My son has used most of

these in his recovery so I am well aware of their healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs, diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3 years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on just 4 months with the surfactants.The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate

things better into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants (in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians & staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things are well lubed they just work better.If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start

to better track each.Thanks for letting me cut in....Blessings,Rita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but > > as a> > > > > >

> consumer…I just want to share what I have found.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share > > what we've> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of > > the> > > > > product> > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ > > bottom) as> > > > > it's> > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in > > the> > > > > process> > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but > > not all?'s> > > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group > > format.> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to > > a new> > > > > level> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into > > it last> > > > > fall.> > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies > > immune system> > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those > > that try to> > > > > hide> > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It > > "turns> > > > > on"> > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. > > It has> > > > > been> > > > > >

> found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so > > the body can> > > > > get> > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like > > herbs & > > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the> > > > > brain)…..for> > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to > > additionally boost> > > > > the> > > > > > > LDM-100.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used > > overseas> > > > > > > including 9

years of well documented international > > use….all with> > > > > NO> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as > > a whole> > > > > food.> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small > > group of> > > > > our WA> > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it > > have not> > > > > seen> > > > > > > any negative reactions.> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either > > topical or> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right > > down & do> > > > > not> > > > > > > complain about the

soapy taste but I am concerned about it > > w/some of> > > > > our> > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The > > way you> > > > > take> > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount > > of water.> > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We> > > > > personally> > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the > > vit C)..> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a> > > > > Pediatric> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase > > the> > > > > survival> > > > > > > rate of

premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. > > said the> > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the > > high> > > > > cost.> > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on > > surfactants:> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:> > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or> > > > > drug,> > > > > >

> including the above just gives you some current info on> > > > > > > surfactants in general.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's> > > > > history> > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't> > > > > stop> > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical> > > > > mindset> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune > > related issues> > > > > with> > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs > > including our> > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high

OK's from ALL on how well > > he is doing> > > > > on> > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I > > brought> > > > > them> > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested > > on it). A> > > > > small> > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level > > group> > > > > including> > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several> > > > > recovering> > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are > > good.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are

seeing on a > > cellular basis> > > > > with> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have > > had amazing> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including > > a lab> > > > > tech in> > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told > > me to have> > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after > > 30-60> > > > > days> > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements > > in the> > > > > immune> > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & > > 's viral,> > > > > lyme,> > > > > > >

bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced > > (per ART> > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way > > around,> > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping > > that comes> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical> > > > > intervention> > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a > > successful> > > > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months > > along> > > > > with> > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra> > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be> > > > > some> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year > > in Middle> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker > > combinations) & only> > > > > 3> > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about > > 800 kids> > > > > (to> > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement… > > even> > > > > some> > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also

learning> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math> > > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals> > > > > movement> > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming > > for us but> > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing > > detox we> > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser > > supports which> > > > > we> > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders> > > > > (especially> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys> > > > > topically & > > > > > > > orally. We

also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra > > minerals (she> > > > > used> > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our > > standard minerals> > > > > in> > > > > > > our protocol).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking > > cellular> > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, > > 2011) of a> > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It > > was> > > > > watered> > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month > > that it was> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > put on his> > > > > back> > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & > > > > > flexible….I've> > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably > > bad NW> > > > > weather> > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally > > watched> > > > > this> > > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of> > > > > this> > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out > > it's suppose> > > > > to> > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group > > returning> > > > > home> > > >

> > > from seeing this tree she watered her "not-doing-so-well" > > basil> > > > > plant to> > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used > > successfully on> > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the > > years, I> > > > > value> > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly > > to help> > > > > me> > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections > > or XMRV.> > > > > Any> > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. > > This> > > > >

product> > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is > > beneficial to> > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an > > immune system.> > > > > It> > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune > > system to> > > > > tackle> > > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to > > proper> > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we > > should not> > > > > need> > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on > > resetting> > > > > our> > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke > > with a woman> > > > > that> > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing > > real well> > > > > on> > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out > > what was> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that > > it was all> > > > > the> > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed > > all but a> > > > > few of> > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is > > important!> > >

> > If> > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling > > well after a> > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on > > & check to> > > > > see> > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing > > ART> > > > > tested> > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically > > whole food> > > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox> > > > > related> > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is> > > > > cleaning> > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure > > good> >

> > > binders> > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have> > > > > piggybacked> > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them > > & target> > > > > > > items.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to> > > > > review> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other > > docs that> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/ > > either the> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really > > excited> > > > > about> > > >

> > > this product!!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

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thank you rita this sounds interesting:)

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:50 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Sorry, it was in the original post & I forgot to repost the link.The biggest complaint on the product is the color & flavor...they are all natural....and while I am very careful w/diet, the benefitial properties of this product have far outweighed this issue. We have not had any negative side effects with our WA group using this product except the slight increase in stimming which was reduced by adding extra binders.Another comment from off-list e-mail support on this. Stay on your current protocols...do not add anything else when adding something new...a basic biomed principle....so you can watch for changes & make appropriate adjustments. Try & keep it away from rx's as much as possible. Take it w/good stuff to help the body assimalate into the body (like vitamins/good fats).Here's the link to the product:http://immusist.com/Rita--- In mb12valtrex , Channa Brennon wrote:>> im sorry what is the name/brand of this product you are using?> channa> > > ________________________________> > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:41 AM> Subject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info> > > Â > To pass info from off-list inquiries:> > I've come to really respect this product & every day I'm more amazed by it. >

This product breaks down the surface tension of the cells helping awaken & assist the immune system to function better. It is very safe & very effective. > This e-mail is done based soley on my experience, asking a ton of ?'s from some of my good resources and as I've gleaned.....NOT as a representative of the company:> • Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day> • Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune concerns): 16 drops 2x a day> • Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a day.> • Most Children are at 1/2 doses> • What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a day & watching/modifying as needed.> Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be children @ 8

drops once or twice a day.> > Remember, this product is a very good anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-parasitic. It will help carry deeper the good stuff you're using (because of this I dose the good stuff with it, especially liquid things like vitamins....that would include natural vitamins like Alfalfa...considered the "poor mans vitamins" & Chlorella which are both considered super foods, high in vitamins, b's & good binders. Use the surfactants to push them further into the body helping assimilate it into the system. It can also be used topically (put in a good spray bottle, preferably glass, mix a few drops with water & spray onto sores & skin conditions...personally I'd laser after applying to push in further after applying). We have personally seen this work fantastic with . As soon as I get a chance I will post up 's most recent Doctors Data Hair Analysis which showed significant improvement in his

mineral levels….the only thing we really changed this year was> adding the surfactants.> It is also my understanding that it breaks the blood brain barrier so use it to further oxygenate brain cells (especially if you have water that is highly oxygenated like Kangen water is). Being considered a whole food itself, it will take what it needs out of the food taken with it (like liquid minerals) & further assist it to assimilate into the cell. We have just experienced the power of this with my husband's recent hip replacement surgery. He totally amazed both the docs & nurses with his excellent blood work including his blood oxygen level that was significantly less loss than normal for the procedure (we were told by the doctor that it normally drops 15-20 pts…my husband's only dropped 3 pts & that this low drop was the main contributor to not needing a blood transfusion during the surgery like they would normally do).

His hospital stay ended up being less than 48 hours when normal is 3-5 days. As it turns out, one of the nurses in the hospital> commented that she had never seen an oxygen drop this low before…..further into the conversation ( & just having met ) she disclosed that she has also been seeing a DAN Dr for her ASD son (5 non-verbal). > Further discussion lead to us meeting up with the pediatrician I have been mentoring (Last year I started helping her with her non-verbal son….she started on the surfactants last spring….her son is doing fantastic & now talks up a storm. With him we had to add in more binders…for him that ended up being alfalfa to assist binding the metals dumping…this really helped with the slight increase in his stimming from the body getting rid of the toxic metals. He did even better on the surfactants taken together with the alfalfa). Being from a medical background they both knew

about surfactants, they both did additional research & are now both using it (both moms & sons).> > Additional thoughts on the oxygen thing w/surfactants….As I was pondering this oxygen thing after his surgery, at the park w/the kids we were playing with bubbles….hummm I thought, bubbles are a type of surfactant…it turns from liquid into an air floating bubble…with very little surfactant. We were having fun re-catching the bubbles with the stick…we would then re-blow the bubble again…..the wheels were turning in my mind as I thought of how the body would use the surfactants reducing the surface tension of the cells & how the body would be using so little to do so much good).> > As much as possible, try & keep drug/rx dosed at least an hour away from it as you don't want to push it further into the body or further enhance the potency of the rx. > > THE MOST

IMPORTANT THING YOU DO WITH THIS IS TAKE IT WITH A FULL GLASS OF WATER....water is what's used to carry/disburse/activate it throughout the body.> Hope this info if further helpful,> Rita> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but as a> > > > > > consumer…I just want to share what I have found.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share what we've> > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of the> > > > product> > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ bottom) as> > > > it's> > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in the> > > > process> > > > > > of being organized. I will

be happy to answer some, but not all?'s> > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group format.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to a new> > > > level> > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into it last> > > > fall.> > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies immune system> > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those that try to> > > > hide> > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It "turns> > > > on"> > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. It has> > >

> been> > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so the body can> > > > get> > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like herbs & > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the> > > > brain)…..for> > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to additionally boost> > > > the> > > > > > LDM-100.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used overseas> > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international use….all with> > >

> NO> > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as a whole> > > > food.> > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small group of> > > > our WA> > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it have not> > > > seen> > > > > > any negative reactions.> > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either topical or> > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right down & do> > > > not> > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it w/some of> > > > our> > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The way you> > > > take> >

> > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount of water.> > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We> > > > personally> > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the vit C)..> > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a> > > > Pediatric> > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase the> > > > survival> > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. said the> > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the high> > > > cost.> > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on surfactants:> > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant> > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:> > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant> > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or> > > > drug,> > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on> > > > > > surfactants in general.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's> > > > history> > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related

diseases….didn't> > > > stop> > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical> > > > mindset> > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune related issues> > > > with> > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs including our> > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well he is doing> > > > on> > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I brought> > > > them> > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested on it). A> > > > small> > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level group> > > > including> > > > > > some

of its founders early in the year & we now have several> > > > recovering> > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are good.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a cellular basis> > > > with> > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have had amazing> > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including a lab> > > > tech in> > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told me to have> > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after 30-60> > > > days> > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements in the>

> > > immune> > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & 's viral,> > > > lyme,> > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced (per ART> > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way around,> > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping that comes> > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical> > > > intervention> > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a successful>

> > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of months along> > > > with> > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra> > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be> > > > some> > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year in Middle> > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker combinations) & only> > > > 3> > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about 800 kids> > > > (to> > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…even> > > > some> > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning> > > > > >

multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math> > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals> > > > movement> > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming for us but> > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing detox we> > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser supports which> > > > we> > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders> > > > (especially> > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys> > > > topically & > > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra minerals (she> > > > used> > > > > > Minerals of Life

Multi-minerals in addition to our standard minerals> > > > in> > > > > > our protocol).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking cellular> > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, 2011) of a> > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It was> > > > watered> > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month that it was> > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was put on his> > > > back> > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & > > > > flexible….I've> > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably bad

NW> > > > weather> > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally watched> > > > this> > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of> > > > this> > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out it's suppose> > > > to> > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group returning> > > > home> > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her "not-doing-so-well" basil> > > > plant to> > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used successfully on> > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported

over the years, I> > > > value> > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly to help> > > > me> > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections or XMRV.> > > > Any> > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. This> > > > product> > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is beneficial to> > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an immune system.> > > > It> > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune system to> > > > tackle> > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to proper> > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune

system we should not> > > > need> > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on resetting> > > > our> > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke with a woman> > > > that> > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing real well> > > > on> > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out what was> > > > wrong> > > > > > because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that it was all> > > > the> > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed all but a> >

> > few of> > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is important!> > > > If> > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling well after a> > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on & check to> > > > see> > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing ART> > > > tested> > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically whole food> > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox> > > > related> > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is> > > > cleaning> > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure

good> > > > binders> > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have> > > > piggybacked> > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them & target> > > > > > items.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to> > > > review> > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other docs that> > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/either the> > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really excited> > > > about> > > > > > this product!!!> > > > > > >> > > > >

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Hi Rita

thanks for sharing your info with us!

Sorry to ask, and for my ignorance, what are binders used if stimming occurs??.

We have a big stimming problem in my son.

Also just thought I'd add that in my profession we use surfactants routines for

the soil, to break surface tension, etc all the things you have noted in your

notes do work for plants. I do it in my garden in the summer as I have clay

soils, and the soil starts not to take in water ( hydrophobic). I add some

surfactant to the water(eg. wettasoil), plus organic fertilser, and it works a

treat. So I can really get what you are talking about!!!! and am very excited

by it.!!. I hope I haven't bored you with this. I am sure you already know all

this.

thanks

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Thank You So Much For Your Post!! Loved your input on soil/plant surfactant

confirmations...I'm opposite of board with it, it's exciting to me !! It

confirms back to me what I saw with the cut green Christmas tree that looked

great months later & one of our WA moms report of her sick basil plant turned

around (from message# #106474/my original post on this product the end of Apr).

Since then I've also received pictures of tests run as plants were sprouted,

some with this product side by side from the same seed packet without....the

bigger healthier plants were very clearly the ones that were watered w/3

drops/per gallon w/this product.

Now on to binders for you. The way we generally use binders is as a " mopping up "

agent. When killing things toxins can be stirred up/dumped. The binders assist

the body in capturing & removing them from the body.

One of the best explanations of this toxin dumping I've found is Stan's

" Comprehensive Anti-viral Approach " that can be found on TACA's website:

http://www.tacanow.org/family-resources/a-comprehensive-antiviral-approach/

There are many binders, in fact on the BorreliaMultipleInfectionsandAutism group

there have been whole threads as we worked as a group to put together info on

binders-what & why.

The binders that my son has been successfully on for a few years now have been

BioPures Chlorella (link w/info):

http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Detail.bok?no=1

Also, here's a good write up on Chlorella:

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htm

We also use Alfalfa which is also a binder, high in minerals & vitamins).

In regards to the stim, if I remember right I think it was this group that just

had a whole thread on stimming. What we've generally noticed in our WA group ( &

in my child) is that as you kill things, the metals dump alone will sometimes

cause extra stimming...if the stimming comes when you're killing things, putting

extra binders on board will generally help.

Not to write a book here, but I've found as I've chelated, I could pretty much

peg the metal he was dumping the most @ the time by his behaviors...if he is

mouthing more, drooling more, hand flapping or toe walking more, concider

looking at mercury movement.

For us, it's taken years to move out mercury, but his current DD Hair report has

him excreting out mercury at his highest ever (in the yellow @ .63). Several

years ago I did some research on toxic metals sources & symptoms then did a

paper on the findings. I used everything from the lab test write-ups (some of

the best were the Doctors Data...he was deranged in so many things I had a

pretty wide spectrum pool of info).

Here's from my notes on mercury:

" Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing,

vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms

include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability

and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors,

in-coordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.

July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side

affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances

such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual

response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping,

clumsiness, and chor movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains

like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas. "

My son is also excreting out Arsenic (in the yellow @ .081).

Here's Arsenic's symptom notes:

Headaches, drowsiness, confusion, weakness, or skin problems.

If you further want any of my sources & symptoms research notes just let me

know, I'll be glad to post them up.

To me the coolest part of all of this is even w/the high levels of mercury &

arsenic that he's moving out, after so many years he's finally out of his

mineral derangement pattern. The only thing I really added to my base

protocol/good diet this year has been the surfactants which I believe has been

the most instrumental part of this years additional healing.

Of note, as with any other BioMedical intervention, please do not change or add

a bunch of stuff when starting this product....I'll post further on this as I

get a chance.

Blessings,

Rita

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Hi Rita,

Many thanks for sharing such an interesting find. Please if you can provide information on surfactants and where to buy? dosing?

Many thanks,

Cindy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2011, 6:37Subject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Margie,With my long history in BioMeds & understanding these products I hope you do not mind me also chiming in on this.... & I am also looking forward to someone else chiming in as well (especially if they are versed in edible surfactants...see prior postings at the bottom of this thread).Biocidin is a fantastic product composed of really great herbs & many healing whole food properties:http://biobotanicalresearch.com/biocidin.htmThe main ingredients being:Bilberry extract (25% anthocyanosides), Noni, Milk Thistle, Echinacea (purpurea & angustifolia), Goldenseal, Shiitake, White Willow (bark), Garlic, Grapeseed extract (min 90% polyphenols), Black Walnut (hull and leaf), Raspberry, Fumitory, Gentian, Tea Tree oil, Galbanum oil, Lavender oil (plant and flower), Oregano oil (plant and flower).My son has used most of

these in his recovery so I am well aware of their healing properties. I have had the benefit to do most of my recovery with herbs, diet & natural supplements as several of our doctors are well versed in both natural & rx. One of our docs has 6 degrees & 2 PhD's (including a MD, a Masters in herb, a PhD in nutrition, a PhD in lasers). We saw him & he mentored us for 3 years including personally training as his nurse my good friend that is a RN (at one of our local hospitals + Nutritionist + Massage Therapist). With all his degrees & knowing my son well, he was amazed the progress my son had made on just 4 months with the surfactants.The surfactants are a completely different principle than herbs. Surfactants are mainly types of soap. The surfactants in this product are special edible properties that by design reduce the surface tension of the cell helping the cell to function better. By design it aids the body to assimilate

things better into the body & helps it oxygenate better...go back to the bubbles @ the park....surfactants help carry oxygen....oxygen is very healing to the body...disease does not thrive in oxygen. Premature babies have a better survival rate in the medical world now after receiving dosages of surfactants (in the rx world they are very expensive is the main draw back). Pediatricians & staff that work with newborns know & administer them....a fetus after 30 weeks will produce their own bodies surfactants...before that they do not, making survival difficult. Think of surfactants as the bodies lube job...when things are well lubed they just work better.If someone is taking Biocidin, I highly recommend they keep taking it staying on their current protocol..... & adding surfactants to push them further into the body for even greater healing. If they are not on it...don't start it at the same time as the surfactants...vary the start

to better track each.Thanks for letting me cut in....Blessings,Rita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but > > as a> > > > > >

> consumer…I just want to share what I have found.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share > > what we've> > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of > > the> > > > > product> > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @ > > bottom) as> > > > > it's> > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in > > the> > > > > process> > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but > > not all?'s> > > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group > > format.> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to > > a new> > > > > level> > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into > > it last> > > > > fall.> > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies > > immune system> > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those > > that try to> > > > > hide> > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It > > "turns> > > > > on"> > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself. > > It has> > > > > been> > > > > >

> found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so > > the body can> > > > > get> > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like > > herbs & > > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the> > > > > brain)…..for> > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to > > additionally boost> > > > > the> > > > > > > LDM-100.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used > > overseas> > > > > > > including 9

years of well documented international > > use….all with> > > > > NO> > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as > > a whole> > > > > food.> > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small > > group of> > > > > our WA> > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it > > have not> > > > > seen> > > > > > > any negative reactions.> > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either > > topical or> > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right > > down & do> > > > > not> > > > > > > complain about the

soapy taste but I am concerned about it > > w/some of> > > > > our> > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The > > way you> > > > > take> > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount > > of water.> > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We> > > > > personally> > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the > > vit C)..> > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a> > > > > Pediatric> > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase > > the> > > > > survival> > > > > > > rate of

premature babies in the medical arena….the dr. > > said the> > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the > > high> > > > > cost.> > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on > > surfactants:> > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant> > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:> > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant> > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or> > > > > drug,> > > > > >

> including the above just gives you some current info on> > > > > > > surfactants in general.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's> > > > > history> > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't> > > > > stop> > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical> > > > > mindset> > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune > > related issues> > > > > with> > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs > > including our> > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high

OK's from ALL on how well > > he is doing> > > > > on> > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I > > brought> > > > > them> > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested > > on it). A> > > > > small> > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level > > group> > > > > including> > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several> > > > > recovering> > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are > > good.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are

seeing on a > > cellular basis> > > > > with> > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have > > had amazing> > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including > > a lab> > > > > tech in> > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told > > me to have> > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after > > 30-60> > > > > days> > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements > > in the> > > > > immune> > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months & > > 's viral,> > > > > lyme,> > > > > > >

bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced > > (per ART> > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way > > around,> > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping > > that comes> > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical> > > > > intervention> > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a > > successful> > > > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of

months > > along> > > > > with> > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra> > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be> > > > > some> > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year > > in Middle> > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker > > combinations) & only> > > > > 3> > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about > > 800 kids> > > > > (to> > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement… > > even> > > > > some> > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also

learning> > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math> > > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals> > > > > movement> > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming > > for us but> > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing > > detox we> > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser > > supports which> > > > > we> > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders> > > > > (especially> > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys> > > > > topically & > > > > > > > orally. We

also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra > > minerals (she> > > > > used> > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our > > standard minerals> > > > > in> > > > > > > our protocol).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking > > cellular> > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20, > > 2011) of a> > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It > > was> > > > > watered> > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month > > that it was> > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > put on his> > > > > back> > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft & > > > > > flexible….I've> > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably > > bad NW> > > > > weather> > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally > > watched> > > > > this> > > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of> > > > > this> > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out > > it's suppose> > > > > to> > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group > > returning> > > > > home> > > >

> > > from seeing this tree she watered her "not-doing-so-well" > > basil> > > > > plant to> > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used > > successfully on> > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the > > years, I> > > > > value> > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly > > to help> > > > > me> > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections > > or XMRV.> > > > > Any> > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list. > > This> > > > >

product> > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is > > beneficial to> > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an > > immune system.> > > > > It> > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune > > system to> > > > > tackle> > > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to > > proper> > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we > > should not> > > > > need> > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on > > resetting> > > > > our> > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke > > with a woman> > > > > that> > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing > > real well> > > > > on> > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out > > what was> > > > > wrong> > > > > > > because all the labs were "normal" they figured out that > > it was all> > > > > the> > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed > > all but a> > > > > few of> > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is > > important!> > >

> > If> > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling > > well after a> > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on > > & check to> > > > > see> > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing > > ART> > > > > tested> > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically > > whole food> > > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox> > > > > related> > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is> > > > > cleaning> > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure > > good> >

> > > binders> > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have> > > > > piggybacked> > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them > > & target> > > > > > > items.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to> > > > > review> > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other > > docs that> > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/ > > either the> > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really > > excited> > > > > about> > > >

> > > this product!!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

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Rita wow great post!

can i ask you what have you been using to chelate the metals?

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 2:12 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

,Thank You So Much For Your Post!! Loved your input on soil/plant surfactant confirmations...I'm opposite of board with it, it's exciting to me !! It confirms back to me what I saw with the cut green Christmas tree that looked great months later & one of our WA moms report of her sick basil plant turned around (from message# #106474/my original post on this product the end of Apr). Since then I've also received pictures of tests run as plants were sprouted, some with this product side by side from the same seed packet without....the bigger healthier plants were very clearly the ones that were watered w/3 drops/per gallon w/this product.Now on to binders for you. The way we generally use binders is as a "mopping up" agent. When killing things toxins can be stirred up/dumped. The binders assist the body in capturing & removing them from the body.One of the best explanations of this toxin dumping I've found is Stan's

"Comprehensive Anti-viral Approach" that can be found on TACA's website:http://www.tacanow.org/family-resources/a-comprehensive-antiviral-approach/There are many binders, in fact on the BorreliaMultipleInfectionsandAutism group there have been whole threads as we worked as a group to put together info on binders-what & why.The binders that my son has been successfully on for a few years now have been BioPures Chlorella (link w/info):http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Detail.bok?no=1Also, here's a good write up on Chlorella:http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htmWe also use Alfalfa which is also a binder, high in minerals & vitamins).In regards to the stim, if I remember right I think it was this group that just had a whole thread on stimming. What we've generally noticed in our WA group ( & in my child) is that as you kill things, the metals dump

alone will sometimes cause extra stimming...if the stimming comes when you're killing things, putting extra binders on board will generally help.Not to write a book here, but I've found as I've chelated, I could pretty much peg the metal he was dumping the most @ the time by his behaviors...if he is mouthing more, drooling more, hand flapping or toe walking more, concider looking at mercury movement.For us, it's taken years to move out mercury, but his current DD Hair report has him excreting out mercury at his highest ever (in the yellow @ .63). Several years ago I did some research on toxic metals sources & symptoms then did a paper on the findings. I used everything from the lab test write-ups (some of the best were the Doctors Data...he was deranged in so many things I had a pretty wide spectrum pool of info). Here's from my notes on mercury:"Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing,

vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors, in-coordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal dysfunction or failure.July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning side affects "include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch, and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand flapping, clumsiness, and chor movements; and cognitive impairments in specific domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract ideas." My son is also excreting out Arsenic (in the yellow @ .081).Here's Arsenic's symptom notes:Headaches, drowsiness, confusion, weakness, or skin

problems.If you further want any of my sources & symptoms research notes just let me know, I'll be glad to post them up.To me the coolest part of all of this is even w/the high levels of mercury & arsenic that he's moving out, after so many years he's finally out of his mineral derangement pattern. The only thing I really added to my base protocol/good diet this year has been the surfactants which I believe has been the most instrumental part of this years additional healing.Of note, as with any other BioMedical intervention, please do not change or add a bunch of stuff when starting this product....I'll post further on this as I get a chance.Blessings,Rita> > > > > >> >>

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Channa,

In our 7 years of BioMeds w/our son we have successfully done both rx & natural

chelators, natural has been the majority in this time, but we've also at times

hit it hard w/full board Dr oversight as my son had such a big metal stress....I

feel so very greatful our doc knows so much about a wide array of

metals/viral/bacterial/fungal/parasites from both a natural & medical

standpoint).

The more agressive chelators included DMPS (injections w/nebulized

glutathione...these were done during the summer, not during the school year

because #1-stress of other kids/teachers, #2 I wanted him to be in a more

relaxed state as behaviourally he tended to be less tolerant, #3 I could really

keep on eye on important things like high water intake that is important during

detox), DMSA & ALA used both w/the DMSA & by itself. I was also very pleased

with Laser detox....we did a 15 week series which included metals, viral &

toxins like plastic (we actually had a significant hand rash after the plastic

detox).

What we've been on the last few years has been more the gentle naturals,

mainly Chlorella (mainly BioPure...periodically she substituted others),

cilantro (BioPure)....Alfalfa for binders as well. We've also successfully used

Pectasol & garlic. Adding the Kangen water about 2 years ago saw an improvement

in his mineral levels (we fully believe from the micro-clustered water) & in his

toxic metal excretion. This year with the addition of the surfactants we saw the

largest improvement yet of both balanced mineral absorption & increased natural

levels of metal excretion (including his overall understanding, behaviour &

general health).

I guess you could say I've been around the block & back in recovering him....a

whole gamut of stuff...metal, viral, bacterial, fungal, parasites....All I can

say (w/many in our WA group to vouch for it)....I couldn't be more proud of

him/he's doing Great!!

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Channa,

I thought I'd add one of the things I just told a new mom I'm mentoring here in

WA (actually the RN from my husbands surgery...she helped after my DH recent hip

replacement/one of the medical staff that commented on his great blood work &

great oxygen levels...after which he told her about our surfactants use)....

Her ASD son had started basic biomed recovery through a local DAN & was mainly

doing diet & anti-fungals...we are keeping her on her basic protocols....just

adding the surfactants. I told her after my many years invested in educating

myself (years of late night hours on multiple biomed yahoo groups, books,

meetings incl local TACA & several conferences)...I'm starting her w/where I'd

start...knowing what I know now...

I'm adding just this surfactant product to her existing protocol... & monitoring

to possibly add binders as needed.

While I'm so glad my son is doing better from all we've done, if I did it again

I'd start w/the surfactants. I did not know about surfactants till last year & I

fully believe it's a safer, better way for any auto-immune related issue to move

toward better health.

My DH & I were just talking about this.....At a glance my DH is 55 & in good

overall health...he eats well, works out & generally tries to take care of

himself. Being pretty healthy he did not " notice " any changes on the

surfactants, but took them anyway after having done the research of how good

they are for the body....the surgery blood work just confirmed to him that our

whole family needs to stay on a maintenance dose to try & keep our health up.

Blessings,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cindy,

From info posted in message #112143 (I'm coping to expedite...I gotta go get the

kids from school...)

• Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day

• Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune

concerns): 16 drops 2x a day

• Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a

day.

• Most Children are at 1/2 doses

• What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are

experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a

day & watching/modifying as needed.

Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be

children @ 8 drops once or twice a day.

The only surfactant product I recommend (I have research & we're using) is this

link:

http://immusist.com/

Gotta go...Blessings!

Rita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not speaking as a representative of the company but

> > > as a

> > > > > > > > consumer…I just want to share what I have found.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With the posting of the XMRV study, I thought I'd share

> > > what we've

> > > > > > > > been doing for the last 5 months. I am leaving the name of

> > > the

> > > > > > product

> > > > > > > > out of this e-mail to protect the product (see link @

> > > bottom) as

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > starting into a new era of double-blind studies that is in

> > > the

> > > > > > process

> > > > > > > > of being organized. I will be happy to answer some, but

> > > not all?'s

> > > > > > > > on-list….again to protect the product in this open group

> > > format.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We had hit a plateau & this product has catapulted us to

> > > a new

> > > > > > level

> > > > > > > > of healing. I was introduced to it & started looking into

> > > it last

> > > > > > fall.

> > > > > > > > From my research I have found that it helps the bodies

> > > immune system

> > > > > > > > identify viruses, bacteria & parasites (including those

> > > that try to

> > > > > > hide

> > > > > > > > from the immune system & attach themselves to our DNA). It

> > > " turns

> > > > > > on "

> > > > > > > > the immune system which enables our bodies to heal itself.

> > > It has

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > found to encapsulate invaders like parasites & worms so

> > > the body can

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > rid of them. It also is used to carry other products (like

> > > herbs &

> > > > > > > > supplements) into difficult areas of the body (like the

> > > > > > brain)…..for

> > > > > > > > example, we use it together with the LDM-100 to

> > > additionally boost

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > LDM-100.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Some things I've learned about it:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It has been around for 18 years & very successfully used

> > > overseas

> > > > > > > > including 9 years of well documented international

> > > use….all with

> > > > > > NO

> > > > > > > > known negative side effects to date. It is categorized as

> > > a whole

> > > > > > food.

> > > > > > > > > The dyes used are whole food vegetable dyes. The small

> > > group of

> > > > > > our WA

> > > > > > > > BioMed is very careful w/dyes & thus far the ones using it

> > > have not

> > > > > > seen

> > > > > > > > any negative reactions.

> > > > > > > > > The surfactants are all edible & approved for either

> > > topical or

> > > > > > > > ingestible use. My family including drinks it right

> > > down & do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > complain about the soapy taste but I am concerned about it

> > > w/some of

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > kids (masking the taste with juice is a good option). The

> > > way you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > > it: Put drops in a little shot type glass w/a small amount

> > > of water.

> > > > > > > > Swallow, then follow immediately w/a full glass of water. We

> > > > > > personally

> > > > > > > > use a glass of Emergency as I want to further boost the

> > > vit C)..

> > > > > > > > > Info on surfactants: In our WA group there is an OB RN & a

> > > > > > Pediatric

> > > > > > > > Dr. Both have told me of surfactants use to help increase

> > > the

> > > > > > survival

> > > > > > > > rate of premature babies in the medical arena….the dr.

> > > said the

> > > > > > > > biggest drawback is they use them carefully because of the

> > > high

> > > > > > cost.

> > > > > > > > For your info here is some links to general info on

> > > surfactants:

> > > > > > > > > Wiki info on surfactants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfactant

> > > > > > > > > Medical info on (rx) surfactants:

> > > > > > > > http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/surfactant

> > > > > > > > > Again, the product that we are using IS NOT a rx or

> > > > > > drug,

> > > > > > > > including the above just gives you some current info on

> > > > > > > > surfactants in general.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It does not have a history of use with ASD or Lyme….It's

> > > > > > history

> > > > > > > > is with HIV/Aids & other autoimmune related diseases….didn't

> > > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > me! It's targeted to the immune system….with my BioMedical

> > > > > > mindset

> > > > > > > > that's what's important to me! It assists autoimmune

> > > related issues

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > low side effects. We have since seen all of our docs

> > > including our

> > > > > > > > Herbalist & have received high OK's from ALL on how well

> > > he is doing

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > this product (for those that see our docs….last month I

> > > brought

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > samples for ART testing, so you can ask to be ART tested

> > > on it). A

> > > > > > small

> > > > > > > > group of us (ASD/Lyme savvy moms) met with a high level

> > > group

> > > > > > including

> > > > > > > > some of its founders early in the year & we now have several

> > > > > > recovering

> > > > > > > > ASD ( & families) using it. Reports across the board are

> > > good.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now on to some amazing things we are seeing on a

> > > cellular basis

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > this. I have personally seen/spoken to people that have

> > > had amazing

> > > > > > > > results from a wide variety of autoimmune issues including

> > > a lab

> > > > > > tech in

> > > > > > > > Northern WA that has been using it for some time. He told

> > > me to have

> > > > > > > > baseline immune system labs run, then rerun the labs after

> > > 30-60

> > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > of product use where they have found dramatic improvements

> > > in the

> > > > > > immune

> > > > > > > > panel labs. To date we've been using it 5 months &

> > > 's viral,

> > > > > > lyme,

> > > > > > > > bacterial & overall body stress is substantially reduced

> > > (per ART

> > > > > > > > testing). He is doing really, really well all the way

> > > around,

> > > > > > > > physically, socially & educationally.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we have personally found using it with :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thus far our biggest battle has been the metals dumping

> > > that comes

> > > > > > > > with killing organisms. Over the many years of BioMedical

> > > > > > intervention

> > > > > > > > we are all too familiar with the side effects of a

> > > successful

> > > > > > > > detox….this was no different. The first couple of months

> > > along

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > the good gains we saw some increase in OCD & some extra

> > > > > > > > frustration….some of this extra frustration we believe to be

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > extra stress from school right now as this is his 1st year

> > > in Middle

> > > > > > > > School (gen ed) including 3 lockers ( & 3 locker

> > > combinations) & only

> > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > minutes between a multi-level school building with about

> > > 800 kids

> > > > > > (to

> > > > > > > > say traffic between classes is tough is an understatement…

> > > even

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > of the regular kids have issues). He's also learning

> > > > > > > > multiplying/dividing fractions/decimals in 6th grade math

> > > > > > > > curriculum…uggggg! (stressing me too!!!). The toxic metals

> > > > > > movement

> > > > > > > > has come with the usual kidney stress (not overwhelming

> > > for us but

> > > > > > > > definitely needs to be managed). Because of the continuing

> > > detox we

> > > > > > > > ended up adding extra Ionic Footbaths & extra laser

> > > supports which

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > found additionally helpful. We have had to up our binders

> > > > > > (especially

> > > > > > > > Chlorella) & she added Cilantro both rubbed over the kidneys

> > > > > > topically &

> > > > > > > > orally. We also needed to up our Alfalfa & add extra

> > > minerals (she

> > > > > > used

> > > > > > > > Minerals of Life Multi-minerals in addition to our

> > > standard minerals

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > our protocol).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Talking about cells, this is amazing….we're talking

> > > cellular

> > > > > > > > support here. I have a digital picture (taken April 20,

> > > 2011) of a

> > > > > > > > Christmas tree that was cut & put up the middle of Dec. It

> > > was

> > > > > > watered

> > > > > > > > with 3 drops put into 1 gallon of water for the 1 month

> > > that it was

> > > > > > > > displayed inside. The water was then dumped out & it was

> > > put on his

> > > > > > back

> > > > > > > > deck where it has remained. The needles are soft &

> > > > > > flexible….I've

> > > > > > > > seen live trees in the neighborhood with our unseasonably

> > > bad NW

> > > > > > weather

> > > > > > > > this year looking worse than this one. I have personally

> > > watched

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > tree….this is no joke. I am happy to send you the picture of

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > beautiful green Christmas tree that hasn't figured out

> > > it's suppose

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be brown & dead by now. Upon one of the moms in our group

> > > returning

> > > > > > home

> > > > > > > > from seeing this tree she watered her " not-doing-so-well "

> > > basil

> > > > > > plant to

> > > > > > > > have it perk right up ) This is also being used

> > > successfully on

> > > > > > > > animals including dogs & horses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Just like the other products I have supported over the

> > > years, I

> > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > your feedback! If you do decide to use the product, mainly

> > > to help

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > learn further for supporting the ASD, lyme/co-infections

> > > or XMRV.

> > > > > > Any

> > > > > > > > ?'s, please feel free to contact me either on or off list.

> > > This

> > > > > > product

> > > > > > > > is not like any other product we have used….it is

> > > beneficial to

> > > > > > > > anyone or anything (including animals & plants) w/an

> > > immune system.

> > > > > > It

> > > > > > > > is based on the philosophy that God gave us an immune

> > > system to

> > > > > > tackle

> > > > > > > > things….it's our immune systems that need to be reset to

> > > proper

> > > > > > > > functioning. With a properly working immune system we

> > > should not

> > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > any man-made assistance. This product works directly on

> > > resetting

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > God given immune system to fight it's intended fight.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One other thing of note. In researching this I spoke

> > > with a woman

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > was on 15 different meds. After a couple of weeks of doing

> > > real well

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > it she got ill. After no one in the ER could figure out

> > > what was

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > because all the labs were " normal " they figured out that

> > > it was all

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > meds that her body no longer needed! The doctor removed

> > > all but a

> > > > > > few of

> > > > > > > > the drugs she was on & now she doing very well. This is

> > > important!

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > you are on a bunch of stuff & find yourself not feeling

> > > well after a

> > > > > > > > short time on this product, look at everything you are on

> > > & check to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > if your body no longer needs it. We stayed on our existing

> > > ART

> > > > > > tested

> > > > > > > > protocol when using it (we are on all naturals/basically

> > > whole food

> > > > > > > > support items)…. & as always monitor the body for the detox

> > > > > > related

> > > > > > > > changes as it cycles through the layers the immune system is

> > > > > > cleaning

> > > > > > > > out. Also, when ART testing it, you may need to make sure

> > > good

> > > > > > binders

> > > > > > > > are on board for the protocol to test its highest. We have

> > > > > > piggybacked

> > > > > > > > other naturals onto it for a short time to help boost them

> > > & target

> > > > > > > > items.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ps…I have not had time, but I would like to talk to MP to

> > > > > > review

> > > > > > > > this w/him & get him a sample for his Zyto…..any other

> > > docs that

> > > > > > > > needs info or samples I can personally connect them w/

> > > either the

> > > > > > > > founders or lab guy to further educate them. I am really

> > > excited

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > this product!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://immusist.com/index.html

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Rita! really impressive great info thanks for sharing!

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:34 PMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Channa,I thought I'd add one of the things I just told a new mom I'm mentoring here in WA (actually the RN from my husbands surgery...she helped after my DH recent hip replacement/one of the medical staff that commented on his great blood work & great oxygen levels...after which he told her about our surfactants use)....Her ASD son had started basic biomed recovery through a local DAN & was mainly doing diet & anti-fungals...we are keeping her on her basic protocols....just adding the surfactants. I told her after my many years invested in educating myself (years of late night hours on multiple biomed yahoo groups, books, meetings incl local TACA & several conferences)...I'm starting her w/where I'd start...knowing what I know now...I'm adding just this surfactant product to her existing protocol... & monitoring to possibly add binders as needed.While I'm so glad my son is doing better from all we've done, if I

did it again I'd start w/the surfactants. I did not know about surfactants till last year & I fully believe it's a safer, better way for any auto-immune related issue to move toward better health.My DH & I were just talking about this.....At a glance my DH is 55 & in good overall health...he eats well, works out & generally tries to take care of himself. Being pretty healthy he did not "notice" any changes on the surfactants, but took them anyway after having done the research of how good they are for the body....the surgery blood work just confirmed to him that our whole family needs to stay on a maintenance dose to try & keep our health up.Blessings,Rita> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita

Thanks so much for your advice!

cheers

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 2:12 AM

> Subject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing

info

>

>

> Â

> ,

> Thank You So Much For Your Post!! Loved your input on soil/plant surfactant

confirmations...I'm opposite of board with it, it's exciting to me !! It

confirms back to me what I saw with the cut green Christmas tree that looked

great months later & one of our WA moms report of her sick basil plant turned

around (from message# #106474/my original post on this product the end of Apr).

Since then I've also received pictures of tests run as plants were sprouted,

some with this product side by side from the same seed packet without....the

bigger healthier plants were very clearly the ones that were watered w/3

drops/per gallon w/this product.

>

> Now on to binders for you. The way we generally use binders is as a " mopping

up " agent. When killing things toxins can be stirred up/dumped. The binders

assist the body in capturing & removing them from the body.

> One of the best explanations of this toxin dumping I've found is Stan's

" Comprehensive Anti-viral Approach " that can be found on TACA's website:

> http://www.tacanow.org/family-resources/a-comprehensive-antiviral-approach/

>

> There are many binders, in fact on the BorreliaMultipleInfectionsandAutism

group there have been whole threads as we worked as a group to put together info

on binders-what & why.

>

> The binders that my son has been successfully on for a few years now have been

BioPures Chlorella (link w/info):

> http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Detail.bok?no=1

> Also, here's a good write up on Chlorella:

> http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htm

>

> We also use Alfalfa which is also a binder, high in minerals & vitamins).

>

> In regards to the stim, if I remember right I think it was this group that

just had a whole thread on stimming. What we've generally noticed in our WA

group ( & in my child) is that as you kill things, the metals dump alone will

sometimes cause extra stimming...if the stimming comes when you're killing

things, putting extra binders on board will generally help.

>

> Not to write a book here, but I've found as I've chelated, I could pretty much

peg the metal he was dumping the most @ the time by his behaviors...if he is

mouthing more, drooling more, hand flapping or toe walking more, concider

looking at mercury movement.

> For us, it's taken years to move out mercury, but his current DD Hair report

has him excreting out mercury at his highest ever (in the yellow @ .63). Several

years ago I did some research on toxic metals sources & symptoms then did a

paper on the findings. I used everything from the lab test write-ups (some of

the best were the Doctors Data...he was deranged in so many things I had a

pretty wide spectrum pool of info).

>

> Here's from my notes on mercury:

> " Early signs of mercury exposure include decreased sense of touch, hearing,

vision and taste, fatigue, increased salivation. Moderate exposure symptoms

include numbness in mouth and extremities, headaches, hypertension, irritability

and excitability, immune suppression. Advanced exposure includes tremors,

in-coordination, anemia, psychoses, manic behaviors, autoimmune disorders, renal

dysfunction or failure.

> July, 2000 Testimony before US House of Representatives: Mercury poisoning

side affects " include the defining characteristics of autism - sensory

disturbances such as numbness in the extremities and mouth, aversion to touch,

and unusual response to noise; movement disorders like toe-walking, hand

flapping, clumsiness, and chor movements; and cognitive impairments in specific

domains like short-term verbal and auditory memory and in understanding abstract

ideas. "

>

> My son is also excreting out Arsenic (in the yellow @ .081).

> Here's Arsenic's symptom notes:

> Headaches, drowsiness, confusion, weakness, or skin problems.

>

> If you further want any of my sources & symptoms research notes just let me

know, I'll be glad to post them up.

>

> To me the coolest part of all of this is even w/the high levels of mercury &

arsenic that he's moving out, after so many years he's finally out of his

mineral derangement pattern. The only thing I really added to my base

protocol/good diet this year has been the surfactants which I believe has been

the most instrumental part of this years additional healing.

>

> Of note, as with any other BioMedical intervention, please do not change or

add a bunch of stuff when starting this product....I'll post further on this as

I get a chance.

> Blessings,

> Rita

>

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, this is so exciting. It really goes to the heart of some things that have

been on the periphery of my understanding, but keep coming up. So I missed some

of the earlier discussion, what surfactant product are you using, at what dosage

for everyone? We also had great interest in the Kangen water a while back, but

then I have had so many new concepts coming in lately, it went to the back

burner.

How much chlorella, cilantro, and alfalfa are you using (for what weight)? We

have been using these three also recently, but I did not have much to go on when

deciding dosage. So I've started with what is recommended on the bottles,

adjusted for the weight of each of us. I have noticed that for us (for all of us

in the family), Alfalfa created pus-filled detox boils, so I am wondering if we

used too much or needed to add in something else. . .

THANKS for all of this great, specific info!!!

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

what " surfacants " are you talking about please?

Cathy

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

wanted to add about the chlorella if your kid has not good reaction it may be that you need more...i use to give my son three or four chlorella caps at a time..big mistake..it kicked up mercury but wasnt enuff to completely bind it..so i started doing a handful of the stuff and voila..no more bad reaction

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Wow, this is so exciting. It really goes to the heart of some things that have been on the periphery of my understanding, but keep coming up. So I missed some of the earlier discussion, what surfactant product are you using, at what dosage for everyone? We also had great interest in the Kangen water a while back, but then I have had so many new concepts coming in lately, it went to the back burner. How much chlorella, cilantro, and alfalfa are you using (for what weight)? We have been using these three also recently, but I did not have much to go on when deciding dosage. So I've started with what is recommended on the bottles, adjusted for the weight of each of us. I have noticed that for us (for all of us in the family), Alfalfa created pus-filled detox boils, so I am wondering if we used too much or needed to add in something else. . .THANKS for all of this great, specific info!!!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Channa for chiming in Great input!!!

,

I don't feel qualified to advise on other children, but I can tell you what our

dr has my son on 13yo/90lbs.

BioPure Chlorella tablets, last month @ the last dr appt she bumped us from 6

tablets to 8 tablets as he needed to increase his binders w/the large mercury

bump from his labs.

Alfalfa complex/spearmint tablets (can be chewed)(Medicago sativa/leaf 3g): 4

tablets 2x day (am + pm)

hummmm....in regards to the boils/pimples too...sometimes that can be detox

related...it sounds like it was trying to push something out...

metals movements w/sometimes kick up yeast...yeast can cause pimples...just some

thoughts....

Make sure their good brands, esp on the Chlorella & Cilantro...Alfalfa for that

matter too (we use the Shaklee brand...my husband was raised on it so we just do

it for ourselves. Over the years I have helped others by ordering it for them &

passing them our price just to help them out).

When I recently started the RN from my husbands surgery's son (5yo ASD

non-verbal that had done some basic DAN stuff like diet, basic vits &

anti-fungals) she did:

2 drops 1x day for 3 days; then bumped up to

2 drops 2x day am+pm; after 1 week she bumped up to

3 drops 2x day am+pm; she intends to bump up again in about a week to 4 drops

2x day am+pm.

He's been on it about 2 weeks. She called today so excited. His teacher has

asked her if she is doing something different because he's been doing so well

She commented that his attension span has greatly improved, he's more aware,

more eye contact (all her words!!).

He periodically has been more stimmy...sometimes it's coming w/more

awareness/excitement as he's engaging more...so she's not totally sure if it's

metals/toxin movement or him just excited about experiencing something new. A

couple of weeks into it, we're starting to look at adding a few binders for him

just to make sure if the stimming is from toxin movement we keep it under

control while assisting the body in moving them out.

I had her start with just the surfactants & nothing more new...so we could tell

exactly what the surfactants alone were doing (I recommend this to

everyone....stay on your current protocols so you can see what's changed...from

there watch for/make any adjustments).

The mom also commented that she is also using them...is on the recommended 16

drops a day....she commented that she sure likes the extra energy it's giving

her (we've had multiple people come back w/this comment).

Dosage (from post #112143)

• Generally pretty healthy adult: 16 drops a day

• Slight immune challenged (colds/flu 2-3+ times a year or other slight immune

concerns): 16 drops 2x a day

• Significant immune challenged (All auto-immune related issues): 16 drops 3x a

day.

• Most Children are at 1/2 doses

• What I'm experiencing with ASD....because of the toxic nature we are

experiencing a case-by-case basis but basically most are starting @ 3 drops 2x a

day & watching/modifying as needed.

Optimum dosage that you'll work toward is as stated above, that would be

children @ 8 drops once or twice a day.

While I'm not a total expert on all edible surfactants, I undertand there is

like 5,000 of them, the only surfactant product I recommend (I have research &

we're using) is this link:

http://immusist.com/

Blessings,

Rita

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Cathy,

While I'm not a total expert on all edible surfactants, I undertand there is

like 5,000 of them, the only surfactant product I recommend (I have researched

it & my whole family has used for almost a year now)...here is the link (see

message #112612 that I just posted for additional dosing instructions):

http://immusist.com/

Blessings,

Rita

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How much do you use Channa?Sent from my iPhone

wanted to add about the chlorella if your kid has not good reaction it may be that you need more...i use to give my son three or four chlorella caps at a time..big mistake..it kicked up mercury but wasnt enuff to completely bind it..so i started doing a handful of the stuff and voila..no more bad reaction

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Wow, this is so exciting. It really goes to the heart of some things that have been on the periphery of my understanding, but keep coming up. So I missed some of the earlier discussion, what surfactant product are you using, at what dosage for everyone? We also had great interest in the Kangen water a while back, but then I have had so many new concepts coming in lately, it went to the back burner. How much chlorella, cilantro, and alfalfa are you using (for what weight)? We have been using these three also recently, but I did not have much to go on when deciding dosage. So I've started with what is recommended on the bottles, adjusted for the weight of each of us. I have noticed that for us (for all of us in the family), Alfalfa created pus-filled detox boils, so I am wondering if we used too much or needed to add in something else. . .THANKS for all of this great, specific info!!!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>

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I dont count..just cup my hand and put a small handful...the stuff is food...but from my experience and hearing others...if you give to little their is not enuff binders to grab on to the mercury that is stirred up ..so in this case i would think it more dangerous to use to little not too much.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:01 AMSubject: Re: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

How much do you use Channa?Sent from my iPhone

wanted to add about the chlorella if your kid has not good reaction it may be that you need more...i use to give my son three or four chlorella caps at a time..big mistake..it kicked up mercury but wasnt enuff to completely bind it..so i started doing a handful of the stuff and voila..no more bad reaction

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:36 AMSubject: Re: Info on the new product we've been using -dosing info

Wow, this is so exciting. It really goes to the heart of some things that have been on the periphery of my understanding, but keep coming up. So I missed some of the earlier discussion, what surfactant product are you using, at what dosage for everyone? We also had great interest in the Kangen water a while back, but then I have had so many new concepts coming in lately, it went to the back burner. How much chlorella, cilantro, and alfalfa are you using (for what weight)? We have been using these three also recently, but I did not have much to go on when deciding dosage. So I've started with what is recommended on the bottles, adjusted for the weight of each of us. I have noticed that for us (for all of us in the family), Alfalfa created pus-filled detox boils, so I am wondering if we used too much or needed to add in something else. . .THANKS for all of this great, specific info!!!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>