Forensic Questions

[Guest guest]

Crime Scene Awareness is a part of the EMS curriculum, and to what extent it

is taught varies widely from program to program.

In my program I have a crime-scene investigator come in and lecture. She is

a certified medical examiner's assistant and does crime scene work.

Students are generally taught not to disturb the crime scene any more than is

absolutely necessary to do the job, that if things must be moved, to report

that to the investigators, to bag hands with paper bags, not to use plastic,

what to do with a shell casing that falls out of clothing, general principles of

evidence preservation, chain of custody, and so forth.

I know of no program that teaches students to draw blood from deceased

patients, but if medics are going to be required by law to do it, then it should

be

added.

Also, the medical/legal lecture should be revised to cover legal requirements

for medics to draw blood, et cetera.

Gene G.

>

> 1. What quantity and quality of Forensic training do EMS Personnel

> typically receive?

>

> 2. Is this mostly On the Job Training?

>

> 3. What forensic training do you feel is most lacking for EMS?

>

> Thank you for your responses.

>

> Dan , MFS, D-ABMDI

> Forensic Investigator

> Co. Medical Examiner

> Houston, TX

>

>

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[Guest guest]

1. What quantity and quality of Forensic training do EMS Personnel

typically receive?

2. Is this mostly On the Job Training?

3. What forensic training do you feel is most lacking for EMS?

Thank you for your responses.

Dan , MFS, D-ABMDI

Forensic Investigator

Co. Medical Examiner

Houston, TX

[Guest guest]

Mr. ;

  I would have to say that any and all forensic training would be of a benefit in

EMS classes.

  As an instructor I know that there is little time with a multitude of

information to assure that the individual student is as prepared for the " real

world of EMS " as is possible.

  On the job training is usually the only way that any information as to what is

expected at a crime scene is relayed.

  Communication between professions is about the best way I can think of to

assure that EMS gets their job done without complicating the crime scene

investigation.

  Again; any training in forensics would be of a benefit, in my opinion.

Danny L.

Owner/NREMT-P

PETSAR INC.

(Panhandle Emergency Training Services And Response)

Office

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Subject: Forensic Questions

To: texasems-l

Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 1:44 PM

1. What quantity and quality of Forensic training do EMS Personnel

typically receive?

2. Is this mostly On the Job Training?

3. What forensic training do you feel is most lacking for EMS?

Thank you for your responses.

Dan , MFS, D-ABMDI

Forensic Investigator

Co. Medical Examiner

Houston, TX

[Guest guest]

For the past couple of years, I have been developing this type of class for CE

credit on the educators track, just for the reasons supplied by the first post.

If anyone is interested in participating, contact me off list at

christopher.streett@... or streettdoc@... and I will be happy to

let you know what it details and how we can progress further. It is a definite

need, and our hopes are to make it a course approximately 16 hours long

(initially) that will eventually be submitted for approval for EMS CE. Time is

in the essence, though, as I wish to take " samples " of this course and present

not only at Texas EMS conference but SC Conference if time is available. There

are still a lot of variables that need to be hammered out, but looks to be a

very educational yet fun seminar. I am still looking for someone from some sort

of medical examiners position, as well as law enforcement with crime scene

background. We have the EMS educators side covered, but could always use more

input. Part of the course shows how ems educators can use forensic type

equipment in their classrooms in order to save money on manikins and each

participant can have their own " body " part to work on, and the other parts show

the in's and outs of how to preserve the real scenes, what to look

for.....etc.... without delaying the patient care. A lot of hands on. Way too

much to talk about here.

Any legitimate help will be given credit.

This is so Ironic as this topic was originated from the area I am presently in.

(Houston area)

Hang in there, we are working on it. I cant give much details on this list, but

let me know if you are interested....soon.

Streett, EMTP, EMSC