Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some

of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs,

came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started

him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was

tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened

to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took

me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling

better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a

lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his

chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will

be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if

anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he

is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase

that will pass?

Thanks

is

[Guest guest]

well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming too...

um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

poor kid..

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AMSubject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

Hi everyone,I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo and

when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch these days and

probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?Thanksis

[Guest guest]

how did u check him for adrenals?

is

>

> well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly

 adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really

well!  ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

>     how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming

too...

> um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt

outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

> poor kid..

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM

> Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

>

>

>  

> Hi everyone,

> I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where, he

> pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his

heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to

calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was

smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our

patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain

> than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to

ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician

for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me,

I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in

a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?

> Thanks

> is

>

[Guest guest]

Dear is, I just wanted to share my experience....When I started the Ketoconazole and Valtrex,my daughter has this "panic attack" for 2 weeks. It passed away. She had her each hand oneach ear almost all throughout the day very anxious. Even a fly that landed to her foreheadmakes her so scared and had tantrum. And there is a certain "face" that I know shewill be crying soon without reasons. Now she's getting better and back to just puttingher hands if sound is too LOUD which is very acceptable to me. The teacher called meand was bothered and I said just give us a little time for her body to adjust (die-off).I think the Magnesium Calm drink helped her and/or maybe die-off is also fading. I'm happy for you seeing a lot of improvement and checking with a pedia for evaluationis really a good idea. I'm just wondering...are you doing any metal detox like chelation or this is notreally a concern right now or you have done in the past? Just a question, I'm justcurious but not suggesting anything. Actually, you are doing a well done job inall his improvements. Keep up the good work. God bless you, MhelTo: mb12valtrex From: channabrennon@...Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:39:04 -0700Subject: Re: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming too...

um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

poor kid..

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AMSubject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

Hi everyone,I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo and

when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch these days and

probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?Thanksis

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry to hear. You jsut described years of our lives- down to every

symptom. Mia would get so upset in her panic attacks that she would scream that

she was on fire and claw at her chest.

Sensitivty to pain can be lessened with B6.

LDN and parasite treatment for us helped the most with all of the other

symptoms. When we did our strongest parasite treatment, with the Humaworm, which

we posted a lot on, all of Mia's anxieties went away. She not only went to the

bathroom for the first time in her life without me in the room (and started

wiping for herself too), she actually went into public restrooms by herself! At

home she would go upstairs to get something from her room. Amazing. And she no

longer shouted that the wind was going to blow her away everytime we went

outside.

From our experience, I think magnesium, suporting the adrenals with herbs or

manual therapy (we did Cranio Sacral Therapy, focusing also on the kidneys, for

this, to great effect), try B6 if you are not already, doing a parasite cleanse-

at least just wormwood and ideally Breakstone (chanca piedra) if you don't feel

ready to try a multi-herb product, and supporting detox pathways in all ways.

Milk Thistle is a really good place to start for that (Gaia has a very good

one). Milk THistle also calms the excitotoxin response (microganglia, glutamate

receptors) in the brain so besides its liver detox effects, it is a good thing

for calming the central nervous system.

Also, we started using Hyland's Nerve Tonic for Mia's anxiety and it has been

foundational-very effective (especially in the last few weeks, as we are between

parasite treatments and the roundworms are back). She is about 45 pounds now and

we do 2 of the larger tablets (or 6 of the very small ones), up to 6, 8 times a

day on tough days. It really helps a lot. Admittedly we have pushed above the

recommended dose but I find that dosing every 1-2 hours is a very big help.

Good luck. Hang in there.

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> Hi everyone,

> I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened

to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took

me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling

better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a

lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his

chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will

be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if

anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he

is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase

that will pass?

> Thanks

> is

>

[Guest guest]

I go by symptoms...like for me aggression is: bacteria/parasites...

yeast :is acting drunk..laughing inappropriate.

..adrenals:.tearful /anxiety

not hard and fast rules but just some things i picked up with my son and heard thru other moms

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:02 PMSubject: Re: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

how did u check him for adrenals?is>> well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly  adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..>    how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming too...> um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.> poor kid..> > > ________________________________> > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM> Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal> > >  > Hi everyone,> I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is

cold but at the same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo and when I asked where, he> pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with

both his school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch these days and probably feels more pain> than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?> Thanks> is>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mhel,

Thanks for your detailed response. My son is on magnesium glycinate 100 mg twice

a day and it does calm him down but certain situations just trigger anxiety and

fear. Hopefully, this phase will pass. We did do some hair analysis for metals

last year. Dan didn't pay too much attention to that. Current dan is focusing on

treating viruses and yeast. We did do some homeotoxicology protocols for metal

detox. We will be getting some further workup in the next couple of months and

at that point we will treat for metals if needed. I am worried about parasites

also although we never got a positive stool analysis. Today was an anxiety free

day so I will observe in the next few days if it worsens or gradually reduces.

is

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> Dear is,

> I just wanted to share my experience....When I started the

Ketoconazole and Valtrex,

> my daughter has this " panic attack " for 2 weeks. It passed away. She had her

each hand on

> each ear almost all throughout the day very anxious. Even a fly that landed to

her forehead

> makes her so scared and had tantrum. And there is a certain " face " that I know

she

> will be crying soon without reasons. Now she's getting better and back to just

putting

> her hands if sound is too LOUD which is very acceptable to me. The teacher

called me

> and was bothered and I said just give us a little time for her body to adjust

(die-off).

> I think the Magnesium Calm drink helped her and/or maybe die-off is also

fading.

> I'm happy for you seeing a lot of improvement and checking with a pedia for

evaluation

> is really a good idea.

> I'm just wondering...are you doing any metal detox like chelation

or this is not

> really a concern right now or you have done in the past? Just a question, I'm

just

> curious but not suggesting anything. Actually, you are doing a well done job

in

> all his improvements. Keep up the good work.

>

God bless you,

>

Mhel

> To: mb12valtrex

> From: channabrennon@...

> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:39:04 -0700

> Subject: Re: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on

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> well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly

adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well!

...some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

> how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming

too...

> um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt

outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

> poor kid..

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> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM

> Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

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> Hi everyone,

> I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and

> when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened

to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took

me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling

better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a

lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and

> probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also

as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to

his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any

suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely

showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?

> Thanks

> is

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your response. My son is on Pyridoxal 5 phosphate

50 mg daily which is the active form of B6 and makes up about 33.8 mg of B6.

Should I add more B6?

About the herbal products, our last experience was not good which was with

Biocidin liquid as my son lost all his spontaneous speech on that and lost bowel

control as well. But I do feel on and off that my son has parasites as he grinds

his teeth a lot, eats paper(without iron deficiency) and his symptoms are worse

around the full moon days. I am going to read all the posts regarding humaworm

and also discuss with the dan as he does believe in naturals. Milk thistle

sounds like a good idea. What did you use to support adrenals? I will read about

Craniosacral therapy as well. Did you even try the antiparasite medications like

alinea or flagyl? My son's naturopath was actually recommending alinea a while

ago if I was suspecting worms and he thinks that children get a lot of speech

after treatment with alinia. What were the factors that made you chose the

herbs? Please don't think that I don't believe in naturals as my son did get

benefit from curcumin. I just want to know how different the experience is

between naturals and antiparasite meds.

is

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> > Hi everyone,

> > I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where, he pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened

to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took

me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling

better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a

lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain than usual. I am concerned about his

chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will

be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if

anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he

is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase

that will pass?

> > Thanks

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Channa,

Awesome post on the other thread about how to cope! I wanted to ask you that if

I am suspecting parasites, should I treat parasites before I deal with the

adrenals? What exactly did you use for adrenals? Is it the adrenal fatigue you

are pointing at? Do you recommend any reading material? Currently I am dealing

with yeast overgrowth and virus. I am also thinking about clostridia as the dan

literature suggests that if the child becomes cranky and aggressive while

getting antifungals, it indicates clostridia growth alongwith yeast and that

needs to be addressed with vancomycin/flagyl. I don't want to work on a lot of

things at the same time. So I was thinking may be add something for clostridia

and then work on parasites and read about adrenals in the meantime. If my plan

doesn't seem right, please let me know.

Thanks a lot

is

> >

> > well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly ÂÂ

adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really

well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

> >    how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is

calming too...

> > um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt

outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

> > poor kid..

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > To: mb12valtrex

> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM

> > Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > Hi everyone,

> > I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where, he

> > pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his

heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to

calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was

smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our

patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain

> > than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to

ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician

for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me,

I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in

a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?

> > Thanks

> > is

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Some of the folks on the low oxalate list are finding that they need both B6 and P5P. Not sure why. The discussion is on-going on this topic. :-)

 

Thank you so much for your response. My son is on Pyridoxal 5 phosphate 50 mg daily which is the active form of B6 and makes up about 33.8 mg of B6. Should I add more B6?

About the herbal products, our last experience was not good which was with Biocidin liquid as my son lost all his spontaneous speech on that and lost bowel control as well. But I do feel on and off that my son has parasites as he grinds his teeth a lot, eats paper(without iron deficiency) and his symptoms are worse around the full moon days. I am going to read all the posts regarding humaworm and also discuss with the dan as he does believe in naturals. Milk thistle sounds like a good idea. What did you use to support adrenals? I will read about Craniosacral therapy as well. Did you even try the antiparasite medications like alinea or flagyl? My son's naturopath was actually recommending alinea a while ago if I was suspecting worms and he thinks that children get a lot of speech after treatment with alinia. What were the factors that made you chose the herbs? Please don't think that I don't believe in naturals as my son did get benefit from curcumin. I just want to know how different the experience is between naturals and antiparasite meds.

is-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

is,

.... if it were my kid i would treat adrenals right away as any treatments parasite/bacterial ect just puts more pressure on the adrenals...you could join the recoveryfromautism yahoo group they got lot info on adrenal in their adrenal files....i will look up when i get chance and get back to you on that one..

www.goldenthreadapothecary.com they sell adrenal tonic..love love that stuff when he really needed it i was giving three dropper fulls at a time morning and night

i was also using a seaweed potion at the time which also helped..

for my son he did not have adrenal fatigue..he didnt get to that point..his symptoms were tearful crying at really little things wanting to be held all the time..and anxiety

I am using for treating bacteria miracle mineral solution..i find it great at fighting bacteria and yeast..

the wbsite i got mine is subtleenergynow... if that doesnt work let me know the real name for MMS is sodium chlorite..their is a lot of contreversy about it but i like what it does for my son..

i also use a herbal chinese blend called the snake of the dragon tea pills..

i like what they do also for bacteria...it is a real battle fighting my sons bacteria the worst strains you can have you name it he has it!!

..i havent won the battle yet so you may take my advice with a grain of salt lol

I am also doing a parasite cleanse..while fighting bacteria/mold in his body..

i treat each symptom as they come up...I dont know if that is the correct way but..if i suspect prasites i treat parasites..if i suspect adrenals i will treat that...

how is the nyastatin doing? maybe give more time...but if yeast is systemic nyastatin wont touch it..

have you tried grapeseed extract? or pau d arco?

mercury will hold on to yeast... makes it harder to get rid of from what i been told

I am really against antibiotics...but that is just my personal feeling i would try everything else first..

oh yah so if it were me the plan would go like this.

treat adrenals right away with some gentle herbs poor kid gotta calm down

then i would work on bringing in a good natural bacteria fighter..MMS is not natural but it doesnt destroy gut flora like the scripts do I could be wrong but that is my feelings on it for now....(again just my personal belief)

a lot of naturals kill bacteria and yeast at the same time!...like oil of oregano..

i know your gonna be sick of hearing me tell you to look into andy cutler chelation so i wont mention that to you again...oops.

oh...how does your son do on culturelle? really good stuff for clostidia

you a good mom is..{hugs}

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:13 PMSubject: Re: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

Hi Channa,Awesome post on the other thread about how to cope! I wanted to ask you that if I am suspecting parasites, should I treat parasites before I deal with the adrenals? What exactly did you use for adrenals? Is it the adrenal fatigue you are pointing at? Do you recommend any reading material? Currently I am dealing with yeast overgrowth and virus. I am also thinking about clostridia as the dan literature suggests that if the child becomes cranky and aggressive while getting antifungals, it indicates clostridia growth alongwith yeast and that needs to be addressed with vancomycin/flagyl. I don't want to work on a lot of things at the same time. So I was thinking may be add something for clostridia and then work on parasites and read about adrenals in the meantime. If my plan doesn't seem right, please let me know.Thanks a lotis> >> > well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly  adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..> >    how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming too...> > um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.> > poor kid..> > > > > > ________________________________> > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>> > To: mb12valtrex > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM> > Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal> > > > > >  > > Hi everyone,> > I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He loves taking shower but

gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo and when I asked where, he> > pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what should I do. He is

overall doing better in school and at home with both his school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch these days and probably feels more pain> > than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?> > Thanks> > is> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Toni! We added Cerefolin about a week ago and now notice a lot of

hyperactivity and stimming. My son has folate receptor antibodies and needs to

be on it and as per dan the hyperactivity will gradually get better. Should I

wait to add B6 or I can add it now? Before my son was on 100 mg of magnesium

glycinate in a combination pill with P5P but now I give him 100 mg twice a day,

though he is not getting the 350 mg of magnesium oxide that he used to get. From

what I have been reading in your posts, I think that I will need to increase the

magnesium also if I add vitamin B6. What do you suggest?

Thanks

is

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Thank you so much for your response. My son is on Pyridoxal 5

> > phosphate 50 mg daily which is the active form of B6 and makes up about 33.8

> > mg of B6. Should I add more B6?

> > About the herbal products, our last experience was not good which was with

> > Biocidin liquid as my son lost all his spontaneous speech on that and lost

> > bowel control as well. But I do feel on and off that my son has parasites as

> > he grinds his teeth a lot, eats paper(without iron deficiency) and his

> > symptoms are worse around the full moon days. I am going to read all the

> > posts regarding humaworm and also discuss with the dan as he does believe in

> > naturals. Milk thistle sounds like a good idea. What did you use to support

> > adrenals? I will read about Craniosacral therapy as well. Did you even try

> > the antiparasite medications like alinea or flagyl? My son's naturopath was

> > actually recommending alinea a while ago if I was suspecting worms and he

> > thinks that children get a lot of speech after treatment with alinia. What

> > were the factors that made you chose the herbs? Please don't think that I

> > don't believe in naturals as my son did get benefit from curcumin. I just

> > want to know how different the experience is between naturals and

> > antiparasite meds.

> > is

> >

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Channa for the detailed response. I will have to write

everything down and read you post a few times to remember everything. I am gonna

start looking into adrenals right away. I did use oil of oregano and paudarco

last year with no improvement and a lot of regression. I used biocidin liquid

which took away his spontaneous speech. I will read on the other stuff you

mentioned. We are still waiting to run a test that his dan recommended which

gives details on metals. So if metals is an issue, I will look into Andy Cutler

protocol as well. He is currently on culturelle 1-2 caps a day and honestly I

forget to give him the second dose most of the days. So I will definitely do

culturelle at a higher dose more regularly. Thanks again and God bless you and

your child.

is

> > >

> > > well for me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly

 adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really

really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..

> > >    how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag

supplement..that is calming too...

> > > um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma

didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.

> > > poor kid..

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM

> > > Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on

antifungal

> > >

> > >

> > > ÂÂÂ

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact,

some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his

needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also

started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it

was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My

concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He

needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone

and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He

loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the

same time does not have the patience for the water to get warm. He starts crying

if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days

back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo

and when I asked where,

> he

> > > pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his

heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to

calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was

smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our

patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending

doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also

become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to

give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what

should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his

school work and behavior but poor guy has been getting these anxiety and fear

attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that

shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch

these days and probably feels more pain

> > > than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to

ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician

for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me,

I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in

a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?

> > > Thanks

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

well i guess it could be that when you kill the yeast the bacteria gets out of control..dont know the ingredients of biocidin..but does it have any chelating ingrdients? if it pulled out metals that could be one possiblitly?

Oh! too fight bacteria with culturelle you need to do between three and six a day!

one or two wont touch it..unless your son is sensitive to the higher dose?

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:45 PMSubject: Re: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal

Thank you so much Channa for the detailed response. I will have to write everything down and read you post a few times to remember everything. I am gonna start looking into adrenals right away. I did use oil of oregano and paudarco last year with no improvement and a lot of regression. I used biocidin liquid which took away his spontaneous speech. I will read on the other stuff you mentioned. We are still waiting to run a test that his dan recommended which gives details on metals. So if metals is an issue, I will look into Andy Cutler protocol as well. He is currently on culturelle 1-2 caps a day and honestly I forget to give him the second dose most of the days. So I will definitely do culturelle at a higher dose more regularly. Thanks again and God bless you and your child.is> > >> > > well for

me crying all the time..sensitive to everything was definitly  adrenals...i used a adrenal tonic made with herbs..it worked really really well! ..some people used adrenal extract called ACE ..> > >    how does he do on epsom salt baths? or mag supplement..that is calming too...> > > um...I stopped giving my son the shots as I felt the emotional trauma didnt outweight the benefits in my personal mind.> > > poor kid..> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 12:04 AM>

> > Subject: Anxiety, fear and increased sensitivity on antifungal> > > > > > > > >  > > > Hi everyone,> > > I have recently started my son on curcumin which improved his eye contact, some of his spontaneous speech, which is usually limited to expressing his needs, came back. All the therapists noticed improvement as well. We then also started him on nystatin for yeast overgrowth and had maybe some die off but it was tolerable(probably because there is actually no die off with nystatin). My concern is that he gets anxious on and off and starts crying for no reason. He needs lots of hugs and kisses to feel better. Also, he cannot be in a room alone and I need to be in the bathroom with him otherwise he will hold his BM. He loves taking shower but gets very anxious if initial water is cold but at the same time does not have the patience for the

water to get warm. He starts crying if his little sister tries to talk nonstop to him or asks him to play. Two days back, he cried a lot in shower and when I asked what happened, he said Booboo and when I asked where,> he> > > pointed to his chest(both right and left). I listened to his heart and his heart rate was more than 140. He was miserable and it took me few minutes to calm him down. Once we were out of shower, he started feeling better and was smiling and relaxed. This seemed liked a panic attack to me as a lot of our patients would present in similar fashion with a feeling of impending doom(classic for MI but sometimes seen in panic attacks also). It has also become very difficult to give him Mb12 shots as he resists and fights. Tried to give him in sleep but wakes up before the needle is in. Now I am not sure what should I do. He is overall doing better in school and at home with both his school work and behavior but poor

guy has been getting these anxiety and fear attacks. He is very sensitive to wind and even air from fans. My feeling is that shots are causing him more pain these days as he is hypersensitive to any touch these days and probably feels more pain> > > than usual. I am concerned about his chest pain also as I don't want to ignore it just because he is a child. I will be taking him to his pediatrician for atleast an evaluation. In the meantime if anyone has any suggestions for me, I will really appreciate it. I feel that he is definitely showing improvement in a lot of areas but is this just a phase that will pass?> > > Thanks> > > is> > >> >>