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I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on scene of an MVC and

begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is flown from the scene

by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for services you provided?

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You can bill for those type of scenes from what I understand. If you put them

in the back of your unit and transport them to the LZ site. This means if the

unit drives 5 feet then you can bill for that and they indicate that movement on

their run record. If anybody has any different please do not hesitate to tell

me differently.

Thanks,

Binkley

Director of Operations/Special Operations

Allyn Medical Services

Houston, TX

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Scene Flights

I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on scene of an MVC and

begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is flown from the scene

by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for services you provided?

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OK, first of all let me say I am not a billing expert.

My understanding is that if a peron is airlifted from a scene, the EMS

agency can not bill for a transport. The agency can bill for a aid

call but not an actual transport even if you transported to a remote LZ.

I am not sure of this but it is my understanding. If I am not correct

I apologize.

Mike Shown

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> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on scene of an MVC

and

> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is flown from the

scene

> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for services you provided?

>

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Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

others have said even if it's a short transport. I

don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

with any services their shortest documented transport

is 1 mile.

--- Lowan wrote:

> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

> scene of an MVC and

> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

> flown from the scene

> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

> services you provided?

>

>

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Yes I agree to that, just giving a phrase.

Binkley

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Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

others have said even if it's a short transport. I

don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

with any services their shortest documented transport

is 1 mile.

--- Lowan wrote:

> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

> scene of an MVC and

> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

> flown from the scene

> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

> services you provided?

>

>

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To answer the original question...you can bill for your services no matter

what.? If you are going to bill for a " transport " then you should have

transported...i.e. the big black round things should have turned...

Getting it paid is another matter.? VERY few insurances will pay for anything

but a transport (a huge problem with our industry today) but you can surely bill

the patient for your services provided prior to the aircraft taking them.

Although we have only used an aircraft 6 times this calendar year....we have

billed all patients for the services we provided.

Dudley

Re: Scene Flights

Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

others have said even if it's a short transport. I

don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

with any services their shortest documented transport

is 1 mile.

--- Lowan wrote:

> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

> scene of an MVC and

> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

> flown from the scene

> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

> services you provided?

>

>

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Dudley,

Did you get paid for the 6 jobs?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

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> To answer the original question...you can bill for your services no

> matter what.? If you are going to bill for a " transport " then you

> should have transported...i.e. the big black round things should

> have turned...

>

> Getting it paid is another matter.? VERY few insurances will pay for

> anything but a transport (a huge problem with our industry today)

> but you can surely bill the patient for your services provided prior

> to the aircraft taking them.

>

> Although we have only used an aircraft 6 times this calendar

> year....we have billed all patients for the services we provided.

>

> Dudley

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> Re: Scene Flights

>

> Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

> doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

> others have said even if it's a short transport. I

> don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

> with any services their shortest documented transport

> is 1 mile.

> --- Lowan wrote:

>

>> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

>> scene of an MVC and

>> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

>> flown from the scene

>> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

>> services you provided?

>>

>>

>

>

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Not from insurance....but we have recovered some from the patients....I would

have to check to see how much....but I figure it isn't a whole bunch.

Dud

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>

> Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

> doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

> others have said even if it's a short transport. I

> don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

> with any services their shortest documented transport

> is 1 mile.

> --- Lowan wrote:

>

>> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

>> scene of an MVC and

>> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

>> flown from the scene

>> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

>> services you provided?

>>

>>

>

>

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That's what I figured. Thanks.

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Not from insurance....but we have recovered some from the patients....I

would have to check to see how much....but I figure it isn't a whole bunch.

Dud

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> Unless things have changed in the 12 years I've been

> doing this, you can bill if you transport. Like the

> others have said even if it's a short transport. I

> don't think I would actually document 5 ft though. As

> with any services their shortest documented transport

> is 1 mile.

> --- Lowan wrote:

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>> I'm looking for some information. If you arrive on

>> scene of an MVC and

>> begin treatment on a patient. And that patient is

>> flown from the scene

>> by air-ambulance. Can you bill the patient for

>> services you provided?

>>

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