Ambulance flips with patient inside

[Guest guest]

I'll have to take a look, but treated sleep apnea should not be a

disqualification for a CDL. Untreated sleep apnea, with the risk of abrupt

changes in

level of consciousness (like narcolepsy), might be, but only until appropriate

treatment is instituted.

ck

S. Krin DO FAAFP

sleep apnea, controlled with nasal CPAP.

In a message dated 12/28/2008 17:00:52 Central Standard Time,

THEDUDMAN@... writes:

Lastly, the Sleep Apnea question, although humorous, is a true issue for

EMS.? How many of our personnel have sleep apnea?? Is it treated?? Do they have

CPAP? Do they use it everyday (especially the night before shift starts) and

on-shift?? Should personnel who have sleep apnea be allowed to drive

ambulances?? My cousin lost his over-the-road truck driving job when he was

diagnosed

with sleep apnea because he could not obtain his CDL.? If we don't let sleep

apnea patients haul truck-loads of toilet tissue down the road

overnight...Lastly, the Sleep Apnea question, although humorous, is a true issue

for EMS.?

How many of ou

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Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

Now this is an example of the need for limited working hours and good pay

for EMS people. If this occurred in any other profession, the NTSB would be

on this like a duck on a June bug.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:44 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

man thats some bad stuff but happens more and more atleast no one got kiiled

To: texasems-l@...: jimmnn@...: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28

AMhttp://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK)

-- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell

asleep behind the wheel. It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday.

Investigators say thedriver was transporting a patient and his mother to the

hospital when hedozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the

vehicle over.The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with

minorinjuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company. [Non-text portions

of this message have been removed]

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,

I couldn't view the article on my Blackberry. How many hours had the driver been

on duty at the time of the accident.

Dave

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Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

Well, you got me there. I am making assumptions. He could have sleep

apnea.I don't know. Generally, I have found that most EMS agencies have an

unwritten policy that you remain awake while driving or during patient care.

However, Houston may be different.

BEB

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of spiband@...

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:56 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Ambulance flips with patient inside

,

I couldn't view the article on my Blackberry. How many hours had the driver

been on duty at the time of the accident.

Dave

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

You can try this link although it doesn't give much more than what was

written below.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local

<http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local & id=6575340>

& id=6575340

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Bledsoe, DO

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 14:05

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Well, you got me there. I am making assumptions. He could have sleep

apnea.I don't know. Generally, I have found that most EMS agencies have an

unwritten policy that you remain awake while driving or during patient care.

However, Houston may be different.

BEB

From: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com> ]

On

Behalf Of spiband@... <mailto:spiband%40yahoo.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:56 PM

To: texasems-l <mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: Ambulance flips with patient inside

,

I couldn't view the article on my Blackberry. How many hours had the driver

been on duty at the time of the accident.

Dave

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

Ummmmm OK.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

So,?here is the deal.

24/48's are the cheapest way to staff ambulances for 24/7 coverage.?

Unfortunately, evidence is beginning to show that it is also one of the most

dangerous.? We fight to get more pay for our profession...yet we may be forced

to find a way to provide 24/7 coverage in shorter shifts with the same amount of

money.? This usually means hiring more people....but we can't do that with the

same total amount of money unless we lower the amount of money being paid to

everyone else....which won't be a popular move.

2nd, 24/48's are the most popular shift...so try and tell your personnel that

they are going to start working more days a week...for the same money (if you

can make that happen) which will interfere with their other jobs/careers and see

how well they support it...since " I've never had any problems working 24's... " .?

These shifts are so popular there are a LARGE number of fire departments that

are moving to 48/96's.... http://www.48-96.com/

3rd, one question for all EMS leaders to ask is " how many hours was he working

before this happened " ....but don't forget, not just for this company.? How many

hours had he been on duty, non-stop before this accident and how many hours has

he been working out of the last 7 days??

Lastly, the Sleep Apnea question, although humorous, is a true issue for EMS.?

How many of our personnel have sleep apnea?? Is it treated?? Do they have CPAP?

Do they use it everyday (especially the night before shift starts) and

on-shift?? Should personnel who have sleep apnea be allowed to drive

ambulances?? My cousin lost his over-the-road truck driving job when he was

diagnosed with sleep apnea because he could not obtain his CDL.? If we don't let

sleep apnea patients haul truck-loads of toilet tissue down the road

overnight....should we allow our medics to haul patients and their loved-ones

with the same condition??

Of course, this has other tentacles...since the most frequent type of sleep

apnea is obstructive and is caused by either obesity or structure problems...and

the recommended basic solutions are stopping alcohol consumption, losing weight

and stopping smoking.? This provides yet one more reason that EMS as a

profession should start following the lead of our FF brethren in physical

fitness and wellness programs.?

Unfortunately, this is not an easy issue...but then again, in EMS...what is???

Dudley

Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehicle

because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say the

driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.

The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

[Guest guest]

Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of the

ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened to

the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was that

person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the

article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was

non-injured.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@...: jimmnn@...: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28

AMhttp://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK)

-- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell

asleep behind the wheel. It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday.

Investigators say thedriver was transporting a patient and his mother to the

hospital when hedozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the

vehicle over.The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with

minorinjuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company. [Non-text portions

of this message have been removed]

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[Guest guest]

I have sleep apnea. I was diagnosed over twelve years ago. I used to be

quite a dangerous fellow behind the wheel.

The operative phrase is " used to be. "

CPAP has proven quite effective for me, as it has for millions of

others. For those that can't stand CPAP, there's always soft palate

ablation. There are ways to effectively treat obstructive sleep apnea.

If sleep apneic patients are a problem, then they're most likely the

*undiagnosed* or *noncompliant* patients.

Long work hours, poor pay requiring second jobs, high UHU, etc., are the

problem.

On the subject of 48/96 hour shifts, that may not be a problem for

firefighters...*IF* they don't also run EMS or EMS first response. Any

agency running such shifts for EMS calls is crazy.

THEDUDMAN@... wrote:

>

> So,?here is the deal.

>

> 24/48's are the cheapest way to staff ambulances for 24/7 coverage.?

> Unfortunately, evidence is beginning to show that it is also one of

> the most dangerous.? We fight to get more pay for our profession..

> .yet we may be forced to find a way to provide 24/7 coverage in

> shorter shifts with the same amount of money.? This usually means

> hiring more people....but we can't do that with the same total amount

> of money unless we lower the amount of money being paid to everyone

> else....which won't be a popular move.

>

> 2nd, 24/48's are the most popular shift...so try and tell your

> personnel that they are going to start working more days a week...for

> the same money (if you can make that happen) which will interfere with

> their other jobs/careers and see how well they support it...since

> " I've never had any problems working 24's... " .? These shifts are so

> popular there are a LARGE number of fire departments that are moving

> to 48/96's.... http://www.48- 96.com/ <http://www.48-96.com/>

>

> 3rd, one question for all EMS leaders to ask is " how many hours was he

> working before this happened " ... .but don't forget, not just for this

> company.? How many hours had he been on duty, non-stop before this

> accident and how many hours has he been working out of the last 7 days??

>

> Lastly, the Sleep Apnea question, although humorous, is a true issue

> for EMS.? How many of our personnel have sleep apnea?? Is it treated??

> Do they have CPAP? Do they use it everyday (especially the night

> before shift starts) and on-shift?? Should personnel who have sleep

> apnea be allowed to drive ambulances?? My cousin lost his

> over-the-road truck driving job when he was diagnosed with sleep apnea

> because he could not obtain his CDL.? If we don't let sleep apnea

> patients haul truck-loads of toilet tissue down the road overnight...

> .should we allow our medics to haul patients and their loved-ones with

> the same condition??

>

> Of course, this has other tentacles... since the most frequent type of

> sleep apnea is obstructive and is caused by either obesity or

> structure problems...and the recommended basic solutions are stopping

> alcohol consumption, losing weight and stopping smoking.? This

> provides yet one more reason that EMS as a profession should start

> following the lead of our FF brethren in physical fitness and wellness

> programs.?

>

> Unfortunately, this is not an easy issue...but then again, in

> EMS...what is???

>

> Dudley

>

> Ambulance flips with patient inside

>

> Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AM

>

> http://a.abclocal. go.com/static/ art/global/ icon_ktrk_ byline.gif

> <http://a.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_ktrk_byline.gif>

>

> HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance crashed the

> vehicle

> because he fell asleep behind the wheel.

>

> It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators

> say the

> driver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when he

> dozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle

> over.

>

> The driver and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minor

> injuries. The ambulance belonged to a private company.

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to info from people at this service, the paramedic in the back of the

ambulance has a broken back and possibly a broken neck. He is in Hermann

hospital.

Cheryle

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

To: texasems-l

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PM

Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of the

ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened to

the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was that

person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the

article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was

non-injured.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/ art/global/

icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance

crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the wheel. It happened on the

610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say thedriver was transporting

a patient and his mother to the hospital when hedozed off and ran off the

roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.The driver and the patient's

mother went to the hospital with minorinjuries. The ambulance belonged to a

private company.

[Guest guest]

A minor detail missed by the media!

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typo's

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> According to info from people at this service, the paramedic in the

> back of the ambulance has a broken back and possibly a broken neck.

> He is in Hermann hospital.

>

>

> Cheryle

>

>

>

>

> Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the

> " driver of the ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother....

> Sooooo, what happened to the other attendant who should have been in

> back with the patient? Was that person not injured or just not

> there????? Maybe I am just not reading the article correctly or they

> left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was non-injured.

>

> Jane Dinsmore

>

> To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun,

> 28 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with

> patient inside

>

> Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/

> art/global/ icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the

> driver of an ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep

> behind the wheel. It happened on the 610 South Loop at

> yesterday. Investigators say thedriver was transporting a patient

> and his mother to the hospital when hedozed off and ran off the

> roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.The driver and the

> patient's mother went to the hospital with minorinjuries. The

> ambulance belonged to a private company. [Non-text portions of this

> message have been removed]

>

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[Guest guest]

That is awful. I wonder why he wasn't even mentioned in the article. How very

sad. I hope that all recover from this horrible situation.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@...: cbell408@...: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

15:16:13 -0800Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

According to info from people at this service, the paramedic in the back of the

ambulance has a broken back and possibly a broken neck. He is in Hermann

hospital.CheryleFrom: Jane Dinsmore

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with

patient insideTo: texasems-l@...: Sunday, December 28, 2008,

4:49 PMOk, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of

the ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened

to the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was that

person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the

article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was

non-injured.Jane DinsmoreTo: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT)

netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips

with patient insideSunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal

..go.com/static/ art/global/ icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say

the driver of an ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the

wheel. It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators say

thedriver was transporting a patient and his mother to the hospital when hedozed

off and ran off the roadway, lost control and rolled the vehicle over.The driver

and the patient's mother went to the hospital with minorinjuries. The ambulance

belonged to a private company. [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed] ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _Life on

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I hope all a quick recovery.

Renny Spencer

EMT-I

Paramedic student for just a little while longer

From: Jane Dinsmore

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with

patient insideTo: texasems-l@...: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49

PMOk, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions

the " driver of the ambulance " the patient, and the patient's

mother.... Sooooo, what happened to the other attendant who should

have been in back with the patient? Was that person not injured or

just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the article correctly

or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was non-

injured.Jane DinsmoreTo: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom:

jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:44:08 -0700Subject:

Ambulance flips with patient insideSunday, December 28,

2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/ art/global/

icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an

ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the wheel.

It happened on the 610 South Loop at yesterday. Investigators

say thedriver was transporting a patient and his mother to the

hospital when hedozed off and ran off the roadway, lost control and

rolled the vehicle over.The driver and the patient's mother went to

the hospital with minorinjuries. The ambulance belonged to a private

company.

[Guest guest]

What service was it?

Brett

Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/

art/global/ icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an

ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the whe

[The entire original message is not included]=

[Guest guest]

Was he suspended because he was overworked or is there more to it? I think

there is more to it and we are acting as if he/she had been working 3

straight 24's. They may have been, but I think we need more info.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

It was ETMC. The paramedic has a C3 & L5 fx, & head bleed. He is a very good

paramedic and takes his job seriously. As of this afternoon the driver has been

suspended.

Cheryle

From: Jane Dinsmore <texas.paramedic@ hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PM

Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of the

ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened to

the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was that

person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the

article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was

non-injured.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/ art/global/

icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance

crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the whe

[The entire original message is not included]=

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU. It is nice to get an update on the status of the crew.

________________________________

To: texasems-l

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:33:35 PM

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

It was ETMC. The paramedic has a C3 & L5 fx, & head bleed. He is a very good

paramedic and takes his job seriously. As of this afternoon the driver has been

suspended.

Cheryle

From: Jane Dinsmore <texas.paramedic@ hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PM

Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of the

ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened to

the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was that

person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading the

article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger " was

non-injured.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/ art/global/

icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of an ambulance

crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the whe

[The entire original message is not included]=

[Guest guest]

Oh my. Please let his family know that his EMS family is praying for his

recovery. As always, we hate to hear this sort of thing. For those of you who

work for ETMC, we also will keep you in our thoughts and prayers. It is

difficult to go through things like this, especially when it is close to you.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@...: cbell408@...: Mon, 29 Dec 2008

15:33:35 -0800Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

It was ETMC. The paramedic has a C3 & L5 fx, & head bleed. He is a very good

paramedic and takes his job seriously. As of this afternoon the driver has been

suspended.CheryleFrom: Jane Dinsmore <texas.paramedic@ hotmail.com>Subject:

RE: Ambulance flips with patient insideTo: texasems-l@yahoogro

ups.comDate: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PMOk, so did I MISS something

here???? The article mentions the " driver of the ambulance " the patient, and the

patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened to the other attendant who should

have been in back with the patient? Was that person not injured or just not

there????? Maybe I am just not reading the article correctly or they left out

mentioning that the other " passenger " was non-injured.Jane DinsmoreTo:

texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec 2008

11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient insideSunday,

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It's possible he was suspended pending an investigation into the accident.

This is commonplace in some services.

Joe

> Was he suspended because he was overworked or is there more to it? I

> think

> there is more to it and we are acting as if he/she had been working 3

> straight 24's. They may have been, but I think we need more info.

>

> Andy

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I am hoping so

Cheryle

> Was he suspended because he was overworked or is there more to it? I

> think

> there is more to it and we are acting as if he/she had been working 3

> straight 24's. They may have been, but I think we need more info.

>

> Andy

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Cheryl,

Please e-mail me offline. I would like to talk to you.

B. mood

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Cheryle Bell

Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:34 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

It was ETMC. The paramedic has a C3 & L5 fx, & head bleed. He is a very good

paramedic and takes his job seriously. As of this afternoon the driver has

been suspended.

Cheryle

From: Jane Dinsmore <texas.paramedic@ hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: Ambulance flips with patient inside

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 4:49 PM

Ok, so did I MISS something here???? The article mentions the " driver of the

ambulance " the patient, and the patient's mother.... Sooooo, what happened

to the other attendant who should have been in back with the patient? Was

that person not injured or just not there????? Maybe I am just not reading

the article correctly or they left out mentioning that the other " passenger "

was non-injured.

Jane Dinsmore

To: texasems-l@yahoogro ups.comFrom: jimmnn (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sun, 28 Dec

2008 11:44:08 -0700Subject: Ambulance flips with patient inside

Sunday, December 28, 2008 | 7:28 AMhttp://a.abclocal .go.com/static/

art/global/ icon_ktrk_ byline.gif HOUSTON (KTRK) -- Police say the driver of

an ambulance crashed the vehiclebecause he fell asleep behind the whe

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