Re: Re: Helping Adrenals/Fighting Hypoglycemia

[Guest guest]

Hi Jafa,

I can't answer your question as to whether or not they are familiar with

each others work, but for me it's not especially important that they

disagree on certain points. They agree on many. As far as Schwarzbein

not being well informed on certain issues, Sally isn't well informed on all

her issues either. I'm trying to glean information from both people and

their books really aren't at all about the same thing, so I wouldn't really

expect them to match up. To my recollection (correct me if I'm wrong)

Nourishing Traditions doesn't give any recommendations regarding reducing

carbs. In fact she has recipes for all sorts of high carb foods and includes

the use of raw honey, maple syrup and molasses. On the other hand as you

mentioned, Schwarzbein seems quite fine with tofu & canola oil. I'm not

going to eat tofu or canola even if Schwarzbein thinks it's okay, but I

really like her approach to lower carb eating. Cruising the net I am finding

that many low carb advocates are using what we NTers consider fake food.

Schwarzbein's view that we should eat real food is the same as Sally's. I

like that.

Carmen

<<<< I am new to this site and I trying to slowly change over my bad

habits to NT. habits. I am also reading The Schwarzbein Principle

and was wondering if anyone knows if the author is connected to NT.

Although she is in favor of good quality oils and fats, she doesn't

seem to be well informed on some other issues. Mainly, salt, use of

canola oil, and use of soy. Is she in disagreement with this site or

maybe she hasn't seen it? Does anyone know????

Jafa >>>>>

[Guest guest]

At 10:02 PM 5/15/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>more good fat for (let me go out on a branch here...) just

>about anybody who is at any physical disadvantage

I can second that opinion. Raw fats are much more efficient as nutrient

than carbohydrates. They burn smoothly and without the large " sugar "

spikes that some carbos can induce. The raw fats also " lipidize " the cells

and reduce the need for drinking water (water generally has the effect of

leaching minerals out of the body). Raw fats also bind with toxins to help

prevent the toxins from doing damage to body organs, joints, etc. Good

sources of raw fats (organic please) include raw egg, avocado, milk, cream,

suet, coconut. I absolutely love guacamole made with various, organic

ingredients - and my body loves me for occasionally indulging ;-) But on a

daily basis I keep up with the other sources of fats in small, but

sufficient amounts.

Regards,

-=mark=-

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your well thought out answers. What areas

were you considering with the statement that Sally

isn't well informed on certain issues either. Were

you thinking of the fact that she doesn't write about

high glycemic foods, causing a problem with the

metabolism?

Also I have read a few studies that indicated that

meat and fat causes more free radicals and higher

homocysteine levels than a diet lower in protein and

fats. Are you aware of this. Does anyone know of the

contrary to this?

Also Schwarzbein says that lean meat is better,

because when heated the fats are damaged and become

rancid. Again, any contrary evidence to this?

Thanks in advance

Jafa

--- Carmen <ctn@...> wrote:

> Hi Jafa,

> I can't answer your question as to whether or not

> they are familiar with

> each others work, but for me it's not especially

> important that they

> disagree on certain points. They agree on many. As

> far as Schwarzbein

> not being well informed on certain issues, Sally

> isn't well informed on all

> her issues either. I'm trying to glean information

> from both people and

> their books really aren't at all about the same

> thing, so I wouldn't really

> expect them to match up. To my recollection (correct

> me if I'm wrong)

> Nourishing Traditions doesn't give any

> recommendations regarding reducing

> carbs. In fact she has recipes for all sorts of high

> carb foods and includes

> the use of raw honey, maple syrup and molasses. On

> the other hand as you

> mentioned, Schwarzbein seems quite fine with tofu &

> canola oil. I'm not

> going to eat tofu or canola even if Schwarzbein

> thinks it's okay, but I

> really like her approach to lower carb eating.

> Cruising the net I am finding

> that many low carb advocates are using what we NTers

> consider fake food.

> Schwarzbein's view that we should eat real food is

> the same as Sally's. I

> like that.

> Carmen

>

> <<<< I am new to this site and I trying to slowly

> change over my bad

> habits to NT. habits. I am also reading The

> Schwarzbein Principle

> and was wondering if anyone knows if the author is

> connected to NT.

> Although she is in favor of good quality oils and

> fats, she doesn't

> seem to be well informed on some other issues.

> Mainly, salt, use of

> canola oil, and use of soy. Is she in

> disagreement with this site or

> maybe she hasn't seen it? Does anyone know????

> Jafa >>>>>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 03:34 AM 5/16/02 +0000, Dennis wrote:

I wonder how the fats

>will initially provide the energy needed  to fuel the " lean mean

>fighting machine " .  Perhaps that's why I had low energy etc last week.

>Last week I ate an avocado daily and  oysters every other day. This

>week is not much different energy wise but I'm not feeling fuzzy brain

>and for three days I've not eaten much of anything due to flu like

>symptoms. I need to look at the biochemistry of fat metabolism.  Dennis

Hi Dennis,

Trying to figure out myself wheather the downs recently are me fighting off

all

the colds around here, its mold allergy from all the recent rain or its pollen

counts much higher than usual this year. I used to feel worse this time of

year

so the grain and sugar reduction helped. Coconut helps my sinuses and head the

most. Bodies have biorhythms too.

Wanita

[Guest guest]

At 09:29 PM 5/15/2002 -0700, you wrote:

>Thanks for your well thought out answers. What areas

>were you considering with the statement that Sally

>isn't well informed on certain issues either. Were

>you thinking of the fact that she doesn't write about

>high glycemic foods, causing a problem with the

>metabolism?

I haven't seen Sally take a stand on proportion of fats, grains and other

carbs and protein in the diet except to say that 30% of calories from fat

should be the minimum and not the maximum as proposed by the diet

dictocrats. If you look at NT second edition page 64 she states that: " the

proportion of animal foods, grains, dairy products, fruits and fats you

choose will depend on your ethnic heritage your constitution, your

age, your occupation, the climate in which you live, and your specific

food sensitivities and allergies. " She does not give medical advise for

specific conditions, but there are some recommendations for specific

conditions on the Weston A Price web site that are written by Tom Cowan

MD. Tom Cowan is on the board of directors of the Weston A. Price Foundation.

>Also I have read a few studies that indicated that

>meat and fat causes more free radicals and higher

>homocysteine levels than a diet lower in protein and

>fats. Are you aware of this. Does anyone know of the

>contrary to this?

" Recent studies have also shown that vegetarians have higher homocysteine

levels in their blood. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/myths_truths/myths_truths_vegetarianism.html

" Folic acid, vitamin B6, vitamin B12 and choline are nutrients that lower

serum homocysteine levels.53 These nutrients are found mostly in animal foods. "

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/skinny.html

>Also Schwarzbein says that lean meat is better,

>because when heated the fats are damaged and become

>rancid. Again, any contrary evidence to this?

>

>Thanks in advance

Dr. Schwarzbein does not support a low fat diet approach. See pages 290 and

291 for comparison. However she does show a lot of concern about damaged

fats. That is recommendation on lean meats. But in other sections she

cautions that fatty meats should be cooked at low temperatures to avoid

damaging the fat. Her fat recommendations on page 254 are similar to NT.

See also " The Myth of Saturated Fat " on page 253. Although Dr. Schwarzbein

does not tell you to soak grains she does have you avoid most man made

carbohydrates like pasta, bagels, cookies and crackers. For protein

recommendations on page 245 she says " whenever possible buy hormone free,

antibiotic free, range-fed meat and poultry. " These meats are naturally

leaner than commercial meat and poultry. Grain feeding and hormones are

used to rapidly fatten up meat. Antibiotics are necessary when annals are

fed grains and soybeans in crowded feed lots. Again these recommendations

are very similar to NT.

[Guest guest]

I'm curious as to why you think I would doubt the validity of your

information??

Carmen

<<<< If you think I'm

wrong you can just e-mail her and ask her yourself. Her e-mail is the

e-mail of the WAPF >>>>

>To my recollection (correct me if I'm wrong)

> Nourishing Traditions doesn't give any recommendations regarding

reducing

> carbs. In fact she has recipes for all sorts of high carb foods and

includes

> the use of raw honey, maple syrup and molasses.