Guest guest Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Hi KO's I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing lists. Films; " Leave Her to Heaven " Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name. A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations, and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking! " Shadow of Doubt " Producer, Alfred Hitchcock Another great old black and white film, by the master of psychological terror! This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh their intended victims. The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims through feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or ruin the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to, terminally wound, etc... Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending! Books; " Unchained Memories " 1994 Author Lenore Terr, M.D This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the framework of daily life. Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief in our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer from. I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and validating experience to be incalculably helpful. Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace! " Neverland " ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " ) Author Piers Dudgeon 2009 This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era. This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have a passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the original " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD behaviors. The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families. It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non - physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an experience so many KOs struggle to make sense of. " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " ( patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,) or uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the authors themselves. I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time, and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library! Warm regards, Sunspot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Good picks -- I'll have to see if the library has them (free!). Interesting about the book " Neverland " -- when I saw the title I thought of the movie with ny Depp as Barrie -- but it seems that the film is not based on the book. The PD therapist, Shari Schreiber, has her own list of BPDs in film. I haven't seen most of these films, but her descriptions seem disturbing enough that I'd be cautious about watching them and triggering painful memories/reactions. Not unless you have someone understanding with you to help you through them (and we should all have that, if we could). http://gettinbetter.com/award.html --Dana > ** > > > > Hi KO's > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing > lists. > > Films; > > " Leave Her to Heaven " > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name. > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations, > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking! > > " Shadow of Doubt " > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock > Another great old black and white film, by the master of > psychological terror! > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh > their intended victims. > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims through > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or ruin > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to, > terminally wound, etc... > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending! > > Books; > > " Unchained Memories " > 1994 > Author Lenore Terr, M.D > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the > framework of daily life. > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief in > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer from. > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and > validating experience to be incalculably helpful. > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace! > > " Neverland " > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " ) > Author Piers Dudgeon > 2009 > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era. > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have a > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the original > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD behaviors. > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families. > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non - > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an experience > so many KOs struggle to make sense of. > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " ( > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,) or > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the authors > themselves. > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time, > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library! > > Warm regards, Sunspot > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I read one called " Will I Ever Be Good Enough? " by Karyl McBride. It's actually for daughters with narcissistic mothers, but it was very helpful to me. Janet Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. Proverbs 3:5-8 To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:39 PM Subject: Re: BPD books and films... Good picks -- I'll have to see if the library has them (free!). Interesting about the book " Neverland " -- when I saw the title I thought of the movie with ny Depp as Barrie -- but it seems that the film is not based on the book. The PD therapist, Shari Schreiber, has her own list of BPDs in film. I haven't seen most of these films, but her descriptions seem disturbing enough that I'd be cautious about watching them and triggering painful memories/reactions. Not unless you have someone understanding with you to help you through them (and we should all have that, if we could). http://gettinbetter.com/award.html --Dana > ** > > > > Hi KO's > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing > lists. > > Films; > > " Leave Her to Heaven " > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name. > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations, > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking! > > " Shadow of Doubt " > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock > Another great old black and white film, by the master of > psychological terror! > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh > their intended victims. > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims through > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or ruin > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to, > terminally wound, etc... > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending! > > Books; > > " Unchained Memories " > 1994 > Author Lenore Terr, M.D > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the > framework of daily life. > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief in > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer from. > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and > validating experience to be incalculably helpful. > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace! > > " Neverland " > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " ) > Author Piers Dudgeon > 2009 > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era. > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have a > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the original > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD behaviors. > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families. > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non - > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an experience > so many KOs struggle to make sense of. > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " ( > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,) or > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the authors > themselves. > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time, > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library! > > Warm regards, Sunspot > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2012 Report Share Posted April 1, 2012 Reading Group / Cinamatherapy Night Great Suggestions, Dana and Janet ! Hi Janet I'm so glad you suggested " Will I . . . " There are so many overlapping characteristics between Bpd and NPD,. On your recommendation, I'm ordering McBrides' book today! Greetings Dana, I went directly to Schreibers' site, and was really intrigued by her list. You are right about needing compassionate support during, or at least after viewing, (or reading) I wonder if we, as a group, might do this for each other? We could have our own reading group, and discuss the book, or designate one night a month as " cinamatherapy " night, and explore these issues through film. Often I find that I experience films, books, TV shows, etc. very differently than non KOs' do. I have very little tolerance for " forgive and forget, " and generally espouse " forgive if you can, but remember, and if a pattern develops, run like hell ! " On a different note, I was intrigued with Scheibers mention of BPD " splicing, " - as the confounding capacity BPDs have for acting - out in ways that leave their victims deeply wounded and emotionally devastated, then, the BPD behaves as if nothing has happened. That brief mention of this phenomenon answered so many questions for me. Schreibers site is one I will definitely earmark! Would anyone else be interested in a reading group, or cinamatherapy night once a month? If so lets get a list of books and pics together! Warm Regards, Sunspot > ** > > > I read one called " Will I Ever Be Good Enough? " by Karyl McBride. It's > actually for daughters with narcissistic mothers, but it was very helpful > to me. > Janet > > Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own > understanding. > In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. > Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. > It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. > Proverbs 3:5-8 > > > To: WTOAdultChildren1 > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: BPD books and films... > > > Good picks -- I'll have to see if the library has them (free!). > Interesting about the book " Neverland " -- when I saw the title I thought of > the movie with ny Depp as Barrie -- but it seems that the film is not > based on the book. > > The PD therapist, Shari Schreiber, has her own list of BPDs in film. I > haven't seen most of these films, but her descriptions seem disturbing > enough that I'd be cautious about watching them and triggering painful > memories/reactions. Not unless you have someone understanding with you to > help you through them (and we should all have that, if we could). > > http://gettinbetter.com/award.html > > --Dana > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > Hi KO's > > > > I thought we might like to add these titles to our reading/viewing > > lists. > > > > Films; > > > > " Leave Her to Heaven " > > Sadly,I don't know the writer or producers name. > > A great old black and white film, depicting the machinations, > > and subsequent devastation wrought by a young " Queen " BPD/NPD, who > > spares no extreme in the service of her disordered thinking! > > > > " Shadow of Doubt " > > Producer, Alfred Hitchcock > > Another great old black and white film, by the master of > > psychological terror! > > This marvelous film explores the seductive reptile/prey > > " dance of collusion, " in which emotional predators enmesh > > their intended victims. > > The issue of " collusion against the self " is, in > > my opinion, the most devastating and difficult to explain or > > describe, of all interactions with BPD/NPDs. Somehow, they > > manage to craft intimate relationships with their intended victims > through > > feigned intimacy, favors, and gifts, that appear to > > to onlookers to be generous and wonderful, yet, are in fact carefully > > crafted to destroy the victims credibility, or otherwise devastate or > ruin > > the recipient. Truths (which are often actually lies) are told to, > > terminally wound, etc... > > Fabulous film with a most satisfying ending! > > > > Books; > > > > " Unchained Memories " > > 1994 > > Author Lenore Terr, M.D > > > > This is a powerful, compassionate, well written, and thought provoking > > book, exploring Post Traumatic Stress, how the mind processes trauma, and > > may, superficially, edit memory, so that we may function within the > > framework of daily life. > > Issues of false memory, traumatic and painful memory, and repression, and > > dissociation are also addressed, as well as the confusion and disbelief > in > > our own experience and credibility that so many of us, as KOs, suffer > from. > > I found the subject of " symptom clusters, " as a means of recognizing and > > validating experience to be incalculably helpful. > > Although this book is definitely triggering, I would highly recommend it > > to anyone wanting to clean out their headspace! > > > > " Neverland " > > ( " J.M. Barrie, The Du Mauriers, And The Dark Side Of Pan " ) > > Author Piers Dudgeon > > 2009 > > This book examines the issues of emotional captivation, seduction, and > > ruinous relationships, using the interactions between authors Barrie, the > > Du Mauriers, and other notables of the era. > > > > This is a deeply complex, and sometimes confusing book (it helps to have > a > > passing acquaintance with the works of its subjects,( such as the > original > > " Pan, " by Barrie, " Trilby, " by Du Maurier, and anything > > written by Daphne Du Maurier,) but well rewards the stubborn and intrepid > > reader with an unprecedented view into the unconscionably malicious > > disregard, and malevolent intent that underlies so many BPD/NPD > behaviors. > > > > The book further points up, (through discussing mesmerism, which was the > > favorite parlor game of the era,(late 1800 - early 1900s,) its misuse by > > Barrie, and the Du Mauriers) the disturbing generational effects from > > interactions between the BPD/PD individuals, their victims and families. > > It further observes, and attempts to expose the frustratingly elusive yet > > devastating issues of emotional seduction, emotional incest, and non - > > physical sexual abuse, a very difficult topic to address, and an > experience > > so many KOs struggle to make sense of. > > > > " Neverland " is not a quick read, but answers many questions for those of > > us who were inexplicably creeped-out by the adorable childrens books and > > plays written by Barrie, troubled by Du Mauriers haunting " Trilby " ( > > patterned after his own reprehensible manipulation of an artists model,) > or > > uneasily fascinated by Daphnes' dream-like prose. I am not referring the > > the candy-coated, hyper-sanitized Disneyesque versions, (although I find > > those disturbing in their own way,) but the original works, by the > authors > > themselves. > > > > I'd love to know other KOs' opinions of the above, as well as your own > > favorite films and books. I know we review this topic from time to time, > > and I always look forward to adding titles to my KO library! > > > > Warm regards, Sunspot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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