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Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

begin the divorce proceedings.

I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

tendency that's been life-long.

In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

mother does this with me, and my brothers.

In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

(unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

But I know that's true for everyone here.

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Welcome to the Group. Yes, I agree: its a club I wish we didn't need to join.

It seems to be a pretty common thing, for the child of a personality-disordered

parent to marry someone who is very much like the pd parent.

I've read that the two main reasons this happens are that (a) whatever behaviors

a parent models for his or her child during the child's formative years are

interpreted by the child as " normal " even if the parental behaviors are horribly

abnormal... and (B) when we marry someone who (even subconsciously) reminds us

very much of our pd parent, we are trying to work out the issues we had with our

parent as children but make the outcome come out right this time. So, its like

a " do-over " in a way.

-Annie

>

> Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> begin the divorce proceedings.

> I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> tendency that's been life-long.

> In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> But I know that's true for everyone here.

>

>

>

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neverman, I hear you. You are where I was 3 years ago. Insight hit me like a

brick in the forehead. I was mad, scared, and sad, all at the same time.

I am glad to hear you are getting professional help. I am so thankful for those

professionals that helped me. What ever you need to do to take care of

yourself, you do it. You will make mistakes, but you will always do the best

you can with what you have to work with at that moment. Trust yourself. There

is no such thing as failure, just trial and error. You can learn new ways of

being; you can break old destructive patterns.

Please continue being a part of this group. We need you as much as you need us.

>

> Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> begin the divorce proceedings.

> I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> tendency that's been life-long.

> In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> But I know that's true for everyone here.

>

>

>

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anuria67854 writes, " when we marry someone who (even subconsciously) reminds us

very much of our pd parent, we are trying to work out the issues we had with our

parent as children but make the outcome come out right this time. So, its like

a " do-over " in a way. "

Response: I think it usually results in a " rerun " or a tragic " remix. " LOL

> >

> > Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> > non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> > sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> > Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> > for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> > enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> > begin the divorce proceedings.

> > I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> > and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> > enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> > of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> > necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> > enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> > direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> > patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> > tendency that's been life-long.

> > In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> > perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> > to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> > focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> > her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> > mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> > In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> > divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> > (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> > failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> > circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> > meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> > root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> > emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> > with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> > forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> > But I know that's true for everyone here.

> >

> >

> >

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> > > Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> > > non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> > > sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> > > Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> > > for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> > > enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> > > begin the divorce proceedings.

> > > I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> > > and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> > > enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> > > of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> > > necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> > > enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> > > direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> > > patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> > > tendency that's been life-long.

> > > In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> > > perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> > > to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> > > focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> > > her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> > > mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> > > In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> > > divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> > > (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> > > failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> > > circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> > > meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> > > root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> > > emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> > > with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> > > forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> > > But I know that's true for everyone here.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hahaha! Thanks for making me laugh. Or a " re-make " that's worse than the

original.

Thank you for the support. I was second guessing myself last night, which I've

done in the past. Thinking things like " maybe I'm wrong here, maybe she's not

all this. " I felt a mix of relief and sadness. It really helped to read the

support here reaffirming I'm not wrong.

I love when my PD mother shuts me out of her life. In the past it's been a few

days, but also up to a few weeks. I welcome it like a mini-vacation - from her.

She suffers from a combination of Avoidant Personality Disorder (AvDP/ADP)

combined with BDP which is a nice lovely cocktail. It's not uncommon BDP's

suffer from other disorders too, and other social disorders. AvPD is not that

common, and is a Class C Personality Disorder (vs. Class A Antisocial

Personality Disorder which is more common and manifests more obviously).

Thanks again for the support. When I was married to a BDP, I participated

directly very little, mainly due to time constraints, but took comfort in

reading others' posts.

> > >

> > > Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> > > non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> > > sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> > > Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> > > for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> > > enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> > > begin the divorce proceedings.

> > > I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> > > and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> > > enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> > > of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> > > necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> > > enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> > > direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> > > patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> > > tendency that's been life-long.

> > > In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> > > perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> > > to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> > > focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> > > her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> > > mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> > > In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> > > divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> > > (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> > > failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> > > circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> > > meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> > > root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> > > emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> > > with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> > > forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> > > But I know that's true for everyone here.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You are right, its not uncommon at all for someone with borderline pd to have a

" co-morbid " disorder, meaning another disorder or disorders at the same time.

The other disorders can be from any Axis, as well.

Here are the three Axis II personality disorder " Clusters " from the DSM-IV:

*Cluster A (odd or eccentric disorders)

Paranoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.0):

characterized by irrational suspicions and mistrust of others.

Schizoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.20):

lack of interest in social relationships, seeing no point in sharing time with

others, anhedonia, introspection.

Schizotypal personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.22):

characterized by odd behavior or thinking.

*Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders)

Antisocial personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.7):

a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others.

Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83):

extreme " black and white " thinking, instability in relationships, self-image,

identity and behavior often leading to self-harm and impulsivity.

Histrionic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.50):

pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriately seductive

behavior and shallow or exaggerated emotions.

Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81):

a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.

*Cluster C (anxious or fearful disorders)

Avoidant personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.82):

social inhibition, feelings of inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative

evaluation and avoidance of social interaction.

Dependent personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.6):

pervasive psychological dependence on other people.

Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (not the same as obsessive-compulsive

disorder) (DSM-IV code 301.4):

characterized by rigid conformity to rules, moral codes and excessive

orderliness.

-Annie

> > > >

> > > > Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42 year-old

> > > > non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even eventually

> > > > sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started Dialectal

> > > > Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too hard

> > > > for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That was

> > > > enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually finally

> > > > begin the divorce proceedings.

> > > > I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this far

> > > > and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> > > > enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits many

> > > > of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has become

> > > > necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> > > > enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her behaviors

> > > > direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her codependent

> > > > patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an isolation

> > > > tendency that's been life-long.

> > > > In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> > > > perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that they get

> > > > to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and then

> > > > focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this with

> > > > her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> > > > mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> > > > In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> > > > divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> > > > (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt I)

> > > > failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> > > > circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP, and

> > > > meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know the

> > > > root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> > > > emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every relationship

> > > > with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for this

> > > > forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to join.

> > > > But I know that's true for everyone here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Welcome neverman it is great to meet you! I too had a BPD mother as part one

and then personality disordered husband/mother in law as BPD the sequel. I

divorced my husband and my mother both at age 28. I have never heard from

either of them again. I'm 36 now. Life gets more beautiful as I progress in

my therapy and become myself more and more deeply.

Welcome, glad to have you join the club that you never wanted to be in :)

girscout

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:04 AM, anuria67854 wrote:

> **

>

>

> You are right, its not uncommon at all for someone with borderline pd to

> have a " co-morbid " disorder, meaning another disorder or disorders at the

> same time. The other disorders can be from any Axis, as well.

>

> Here are the three Axis II personality disorder " Clusters " from the DSM-IV:

>

> *Cluster A (odd or eccentric disorders)

>

> Paranoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.0):

> characterized by irrational suspicions and mistrust of others.

>

> Schizoid personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.20):

> lack of interest in social relationships, seeing no point in sharing time

> with others, anhedonia, introspection.

>

> Schizotypal personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.22):

> characterized by odd behavior or thinking.

>

> *Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders)

>

> Antisocial personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.7):

> a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others.

>

> Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83):

> extreme " black and white " thinking, instability in relationships,

> self-image, identity and behavior often leading to self-harm and

> impulsivity.

>

> Histrionic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.50):

> pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriately seductive

> behavior and shallow or exaggerated emotions.

>

> Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81):

> a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of

> empathy.

>

> *Cluster C (anxious or fearful disorders)

>

> Avoidant personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.82):

> social inhibition, feelings of inadequacy, extreme sensitivity to negative

> evaluation and avoidance of social interaction.

>

> Dependent personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.6):

> pervasive psychological dependence on other people.

>

> Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (not the same as

> obsessive-compulsive disorder) (DSM-IV code 301.4):

> characterized by rigid conformity to rules, moral codes and excessive

> orderliness.

>

>

> -Annie

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello. I am new to this group, but not new to BDP. I'm a 42

> year-old

> > > > > non, and was married seven years to a BPD woman. She even

> eventually

> > > > > sought help on her own, actually got diagnosed and started

> Dialectal

> > > > > Behavior Therapy. Unfortunately as is all to common, it was too

> hard

> > > > > for her, and after about a month or so of sessions, she quit. That

> was

> > > > > enough for me, and was a significant cause for me to eventually

> finally

> > > > > begin the divorce proceedings.

> > > > > I've joined this group today as I now have reached a point of " this

> far

> > > > > and no further " , a demarcation point or threshold where enough is

> > > > > enough, and am beginning to deal with the fact my mother exhibits

> many

> > > > > of the diagnostic criteria of BDP, and has all my life. It has

> become

> > > > > necessary for me to start implementing my boundaries with her, and

> > > > > enforce them and no longer pacify, allow, or even enable her

> behaviors

> > > > > direct or indirect. I've called her on this, addressing her

> codependent

> > > > > patterns and behaviours, and other social issues including an

> isolation

> > > > > tendency that's been life-long.

> > > > > In learning more about my ex-wife's BDP, I learned that these women

> > > > > perceive that they feel they've been burned so much by men that

> they get

> > > > > to a point where they shut down from relationships with them, and

> then

> > > > > focus ALL their attention on their children. My ex-wife did this

> with

> > > > > her daughter, and I witnessed it. I know see and experience how my

> > > > > mother does this with me, and my brothers.

> > > > > In my own psychiatric therapy I sought immediately following filing

> > > > > divorce five years ago, I realized that I married a woman with BPD

> > > > > (unknowingly) trying to make amends from where I (mistakenly felt

> I)

> > > > > failed my mother emotionally as a small child. Now it's come full

> > > > > circle and I'm now seeing objectively how my mother is full-on BDP,

> and

> > > > > meets five or more of the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria. I even know

> the

> > > > > root source of her pathology, no emotional connection from her

> > > > > emotionally distant alcoholic father that has tainted every

> relationship

> > > > > with every male in her life ever since. While I am grateful for

> this

> > > > > forum as a support resource, I wish it was a club I didn't have to

> join.

> > > > > But I know that's true for everyone here.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Welcome to the Group, namaste!

I am not a psychologist, just a fellow adult child of a bpd/npd/aspd/ocpd mother

(referred to as " nada " ; short for " not a mom " ), so my post is just my own

personal opinion and nothing more... but my understanding is that even surgeons

do not perform surgery on their own loved ones. Their emotional involvement and

lack of objectivity would make them ineffective for the task, and possibly even

worse at it.

I'm guessing that this might be even more of an issue with psychiatrists and

psychologists; I'm willing to be that professional psych docs never take their

own family members as patients. That would be like... enmeshment squared.

You, as both the child of a bpd mother and a student of psychology are probably

going to find it more difficult than the rest of us here to resist that nagging,

guilty feeling that you are somehow responsible for your mother's feelings and

her well-being, that you are somehow obligated to rescue her and " fix " her.

But you didn't make her the way she is, and you can't rescue her from herself.

Your mother is an adult and is responsible for her own feelings and her own

well-being. At any given moment in time, she could arrange to see a

psychologist through adult services who can treat her on a sliding scale of

fees, or she could seek group therapy. This is all under her own control as an

adult.

All you can do is decide how you, yourself, are going to respond to her bpd

behaviors.

If you want to, you can be her cheerleader, you can give her suggestions or

validation or encouragement, and you can do this from a safe emotional distance

without scooping her up and bottle-feeding her, in a manner of speaking. You

can pity her and encourage her own efforts, but you can't stabilize her, or make

her better. She is the only one who has even a chance of effecting change in

herself, and she has to want to pretty badly.

If you feel that she is showing signs of becoming severely depressed, such as

not caring for herself properly, or if she begins showing signs of dementia

(hallucinations, memory loss, personality changes) or if she becomes irrational

(more than the usual amount of irrationality that comes with bpd) and becomes a

danger to herself or others, you can look into the possibility of getting her an

involuntary commitment. If she does something extreme like making a serious

suicide attempt, that will automatically get her into observation and get her a

psych evaluation.

I'm guessing that you might have been " parentalized " ( " parentified " ?) early on

in your life: you and your father were sort of like the " parents " to your bpd

mother, the perpetual needy waif-like child... a completely inappropriate

role-reversal for you, the actual child.

Bpds don't seem to adapt to changes easily, and the stress of things like

divorce or a child moving away from home will trigger their core issue, fear of

abandonment, all to hell and back. My nada would trigger into bpd transient

breaks with reality (persistent delusions and paranoia, and fits of hysteria)

just due to taking overseas vacation trips. It was too stressful for her,

apparently.

If you haven't already, I suggest reading " Understanding The Borderline Mother "

and other books listed at the home page of this Group's website, bpdcentral.com.

Be prepared: UTBM is a difficult read because of its gut-punching emotional

impact. It speaks to many of us as though we are reading our own biography, or

our mother's biography.

In any case, welcome to the Group. You've found a bunch of us who " get it. "

-Annie

> Hello everyone,

>

> Well the title of this email fits me perfectly. New to the group but not new

at all to dealing with a mother who has undiagnosed BPD however, very new to

learning about the issue and how to handle it myself without wanting to

completely disconnect myself from my Mother. I'm 19 and wish I would have known

all of this before everything about my family and my relationship with my mother

had completely fallen apart.

>

> My parents have been seperated now for 3 years, 3 years ago I was about to

graduate high school, found myself in a emotionally numb depression I had never

quit experienced before, and hated everything about my parents relationship as I

always had before. So, I moved away to go to college, I always saw school as my

only way out of my families problems and Im certainly happy for that. However,

everytime I return home from school, or everytime I text my Mom, I am faced with

everything about my past I've been trying to run from.

>

> My parents are now beginning the final stages of the divorce but my Mom is

really not ready at all. I have a very strong relationship with my Dad and

always have, although he has been an enabler to the problems we have faced as a

family he was still the only consistant and more functional parent I needed as a

child to depend on. I knew he needed to leave my Mom to save himself but still

the guilt of wanting your Mothers worst nightmare to come true is certainly hard

to bare these days. My mom is not only emotionally dependent on my Dad but also

financially. I am now having to watch her loose everything and every good ounce

of herself left. She has no job, about to loose the place that she lives in and

is pretty much threatening suicide or disappearing every time I talk to her. She

says the only thing keeping her alive is her three dogs and three horses.

>

> Being that I'm majoring in Psychology, I have learned a lot about this

diagnosis and completely accept all the shit that's happened to me because of my

Mom having BPD. All I want to do is figure out how to help my Mom, at least get

her stable and financially indepdent but it's hard with her emotional fragile

state and with the economony. Sometimes I see hope and possibilities, but mostly

there is just pain and hoplessness and fear and confusion. It kills me. I can't

get her therapy because she has no money and no insurance. I can hardly see her

and I'm about to go back to school in a few months.

>

> Well now that I got my story out, I hope I can find some more support in this

group. Just a little understanding and hope as I watch this bomb continue to

fire and burst.

>

> -Namaste to all

>

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Namaste, welcome to the list. Yep, it sounds like you are one of us. I

learned a lot about BPD and the other personality disorders in college as well.

I learn a lot about myself to.

Yep, mom gets a lot of attention around here. I think it is strange how dad

hides in the corner, out of sight, most of the time. He is a big part of the

picture. Dad let it all happen and didn't do anything about it. They become

work-o-holics or just pretend like nothing is wrong. I know that they are just

playing their part, brainwashed from birth by their BP mothers, but it is still

fucked up.

I don't know why dad pops up all of a sudden. I guess it was just that time.

> Hello everyone,

>

> Well the title of this email fits me perfectly. New to the group but not new

at all to dealing with a mother who has undiagnosed BPD however, very new to

learning about the issue and how to handle it myself without wanting to

completely disconnect myself from my Mother. I'm 19 and wish I would have known

all of this before everything about my family and my relationship with my mother

had completely fallen apart.

>

> My parents have been seperated now for 3 years, 3 years ago I was about to

graduate high school, found myself in a emotionally numb depression I had never

quit experienced before, and hated everything about my parents relationship as I

always had before. So, I moved away to go to college, I always saw school as my

only way out of my families problems and Im certainly happy for that. However,

everytime I return home from school, or everytime I text my Mom, I am faced with

everything about my past I've been trying to run from.

>

> My parents are now beginning the final stages of the divorce but my Mom is

really not ready at all. I have a very strong relationship with my Dad and

always have, although he has been an enabler to the problems we have faced as a

family he was still the only consistant and more functional parent I needed as a

child to depend on. I knew he needed to leave my Mom to save himself but still

the guilt of wanting your Mothers worst nightmare to come true is certainly hard

to bare these days. My mom is not only emotionally dependent on my Dad but also

financially. I am now having to watch her loose everything and every good ounce

of herself left. She has no job, about to loose the place that she lives in and

is pretty much threatening suicide or disappearing every time I talk to her. She

says the only thing keeping her alive is her three dogs and three horses.

>

> Being that I'm majoring in Psychology, I have learned a lot about this

diagnosis and completely accept all the shit that's happened to me because of my

Mom having BPD. All I want to do is figure out how to help my Mom, at least get

her stable and financially indepdent but it's hard with her emotional fragile

state and with the economony. Sometimes I see hope and possibilities, but mostly

there is just pain and hoplessness and fear and confusion. It kills me. I can't

get her therapy because she has no money and no insurance. I can hardly see her

and I'm about to go back to school in a few months.

>

> Well now that I got my story out, I hope I can find some more support in this

group. Just a little understanding and hope as I watch this bomb continue to

fire and burst.

>

> -Namaste to all

>

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I certainly hear what the two of you are saying. I just need to remind myself of

that ocean journey when shes sending me suicidal text messages every night.

-namaste

________________________________

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New to the group, facing mother's

undiagnosed BDP head on at last.

Welcome namaste, I'm 100 percent with Annie. You can't do it for them.

Look at it this way - sometimes its not until we crash into the rock bottom

of the ocean that we look around and realize " Oh shit I'd better start

swimming to get myself outta here! "

I know there is a more beautiful proverb style way of saying it - but that's

the gist! If you let your mom crash that's the only way she will ever learn

to fly.

> **

>

>

> Namaste, welcome to the list. Yep, it sounds like you are one of us. I

> learned a lot about BPD and the other personality disorders in college as

> well. I learn a lot about myself to.

>

> Yep, mom gets a lot of attention around here. I think it is strange how dad

> hides in the corner, out of sight, most of the time. He is a big part of the

> picture. Dad let it all happen and didn't do anything about it. They become

> work-o-holics or just pretend like nothing is wrong. I know that they are

> just playing their part, brainwashed from birth by their BP mothers, but it

> is still fucked up.

>

> I don't know why dad pops up all of a sudden. I guess it was just that

> time.

>

>

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > Well the title of this email fits me perfectly. New to the group but not

> new at all to dealing with a mother who has undiagnosed BPD however, very

> new to learning about the issue and how to handle it myself without wanting

> to completely disconnect myself from my Mother. I'm 19 and wish I would have

> known all of this before everything about my family and my relationship with

> my mother had completely fallen apart.

> >

> > My parents have been seperated now for 3 years, 3 years ago I was about

> to graduate high school, found myself in a emotionally numb depression I had

> never quit experienced before, and hated everything about my parents

> relationship as I always had before. So, I moved away to go to college, I

> always saw school as my only way out of my families problems and Im

> certainly happy for that. However, everytime I return home from school, or

> everytime I text my Mom, I am faced with everything about my past I've been

> trying to run from.

> >

> > My parents are now beginning the final stages of the divorce but my Mom

> is really not ready at all. I have a very strong relationship with my Dad

> and always have, although he has been an enabler to the problems we have

> faced as a family he was still the only consistant and more functional

> parent I needed as a child to depend on. I knew he needed to leave my Mom to

> save himself but still the guilt of wanting your Mothers worst nightmare to

> come true is certainly hard to bare these days. My mom is not only

> emotionally dependent on my Dad but also financially. I am now having to

> watch her loose everything and every good ounce of herself left. She has no

> job, about to loose the place that she lives in and is pretty much

> threatening suicide or disappearing every time I talk to her. She says the

> only thing keeping her alive is her three dogs and three horses.

> >

> > Being that I'm majoring in Psychology, I have learned a lot about this

> diagnosis and completely accept all the shit that's happened to me because

> of my Mom having BPD. All I want to do is figure out how to help my Mom, at

> least get her stable and financially indepdent but it's hard with her

> emotional fragile state and with the economony. Sometimes I see hope and

> possibilities, but mostly there is just pain and hoplessness and fear and

> confusion. It kills me. I can't get her therapy because she has no money and

> no insurance. I can hardly see her and I'm about to go back to school in a

> few months.

> >

> > Well now that I got my story out, I hope I can find some more support in

> this group. Just a little understanding and hope as I watch this bomb

> continue to fire and burst.

> >

> > -Namaste to all

> >

>

>

>

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Hi Cammisha,

Those with bpd do tend to use suicide threats as a form of manipulation, but on

the other hand borderline pd has the highest completed suicide rate of the

personality disorders.

Me personally, I recommend that any suicide threat be taken seriously, and I

recommend calling 911 to send an ambulance over whenever your mother makes a

suicide threat, and to be consistent with that response.

If its a real and serious suicide threat, you are not trained or equipped to

handle that and your mother needs professionals there who are trained to handle

it.

If your mother is using suicide threats as a form of manipulation, then, if she

is taken in for observation she will probably get the diagnosis and treatment

she needs. And if an ambulance shows up each time she threatens, that could be

a deterrent to her if she finds it annoying and embarrassing. On the other

hand, she might enjoy the drama and attention.

So, in either case, that is my advice. Suicide threat=call to 911.

But each of us has to figure out what will and will not be workable or doable or

tolerable in our own case. I hope you can figure out something that will work

for you RE a bpd mother who makes frequent suicide threats, that would make me a

nervous wreck. (Well, even more than I usually am.)

-Annie

>

> I certainly hear what the two of you are saying. I just need to remind myself

of that ocean journey when shes sending me suicidal text messages every night.

>

> -namaste

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I agree, send the ambulance!!!

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:40 PM, anuria67854 wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Cammisha,

>

> Those with bpd do tend to use suicide threats as a form of manipulation,

> but on the other hand borderline pd has the highest completed suicide rate

> of the personality disorders.

>

> Me personally, I recommend that any suicide threat be taken seriously, and

> I recommend calling 911 to send an ambulance over whenever your mother makes

> a suicide threat, and to be consistent with that response.

>

> If its a real and serious suicide threat, you are not trained or equipped

> to handle that and your mother needs professionals there who are trained to

> handle it.

>

> If your mother is using suicide threats as a form of manipulation, then, if

> she is taken in for observation she will probably get the diagnosis and

> treatment she needs. And if an ambulance shows up each time she threatens,

> that could be a deterrent to her if she finds it annoying and embarrassing.

> On the other hand, she might enjoy the drama and attention.

>

> So, in either case, that is my advice. Suicide threat=call to 911.

>

> But each of us has to figure out what will and will not be workable or

> doable or tolerable in our own case. I hope you can figure out something

> that will work for you RE a bpd mother who makes frequent suicide threats,

> that would make me a nervous wreck. (Well, even more than I usually am.)

>

> -Annie

>

>

>

> >

> > I certainly hear what the two of you are saying. I just need to remind

> myself of that ocean journey when shes sending me suicidal text messages

> every night.

> >

> > -namaste

>

>

>

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