Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

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I was wondering if you have tried any other biomedical approach yet or not? If

not then there are so many things that you need to do before starting the

chelation. I think we will need some detail about your son's history, any

treatments that you have already tried etc. You may need a dan doctor or some

other practitioner(depending on his need) for some basic workup and if your

child is not on supplements, you will need to start that also. What were the

factors that made you think about chelation? If you want, you can send me

details on my email and I will be glad to answer your questions to the best of

my knowledge. Good luck

is

>

> My son is 12 years old. It took my husband quite a while to be open to any

biomedical treatments for our son. I'm wondering if chelation would help his

regressive autism (from vaccines...!!...he had convulsions).

>

> There seems to be so many different chelation protocols and, from what I've

read, any time you do chelation you MUST have significant, ongoing testing to

make sure the child is chelating properly.

>

> I've heard that some doctors only check the urine, but I've heard that you can

also chelate through the BMs, skin, hair -- so how do you keep control of

over/under chelating?

>

> How do you overcome the thought of doing further damage with chelation?

>

> I'm really afraid of him being damaged even more!

>

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My son is 12 years old. It took my husband quite a while to be open to any biomedical treatments for our son. I'm wondering if chelation would help his regressive autism (from vaccines...!!...he had convulsions).It absolutely can. No guarantees but odds are *very* good.

There seems to be so many different chelation protocols and, from what I've read, any time you do chelation you MUST have significant, ongoing testing to make sure the child is chelating properly.Depends on how you chelate. Not really. DANs like to pull labs so if you let them, they will. You don't have to pull the labs all the time to see what you are pulling. And there are so many to pick from. Which one you do will also be dependent upon what kind of chelation you choose. You can do oral, suppository or IV. And within those, there's AC oral and suppository or DAN AC or and suppository. IV is all DAN and I have zero experience with it. AC chelation, you only need to do the hair test through GPL or Doctors Data. It's cheap and you only need to do it again if you really want to. I did the hair test once and never bothered with it again. The only thing I've tested is to make sure I was replacing enough minerals. I've never pulled to see how much was coming out. *shrugs* never really needed to. You just chelate till you don't need to anymore. Or in my case, are too tired

I've heard that some doctors only check the urine, but I've heard that you can also chelate through the BMs, skin, hair -- so how do you keep control of over/under chelating?Again, depends on how you chelate.

How do you overcome the thought of doing further damage with chelation?I chose the safest possible method I could find and that was AC chelation.

I'm really afraid of him being damaged even more!IV chelation is usually where you hear those stories and that usually stems from sulfur issues as many chelators are sulfur based. You'll just have to decide what you are comfortable doing, that's really the only answer. I wish it were easier but it's not. Many people find their strength to chelate through their metals testing. When they see the results, it's a big deal. Many of them decide to go with IV simply because it's considered "the big guns" of chelation. Personally, I prefer low and slow.I think that if you are that afraid, the first thing you need to do is research the different methods of chelation. The risk is different with each type.

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It's never to late to help your child to better health!

Having been around the block & back on this one I've got quite a bit to

say...once again sorry about the book....but even many docs don't agree on this

one so info is your friend

For years I spent many, many hours on the ChelatingKids2 group & still refer

back to it's high level of knowledgeable parents/posts as a resource (even now

though it's no longer active....unfortunately it is closed to new messages or

new members).

I would like to refer you back to message #112416 which has links to Stan's

Comprehensive Anti-Viral Approach, mercury toxic symptoms & some natural

chelators...this is Important info!!! You have got to address metals...even if

just adding some natural binders when doing anti-virals...because in detoxing

viruses you dump toxic metals! You Have To Bind Them Up & help the body get rid

of them. There are some very safe & effective ways to do this....Right Now My

Top Safe & Effective way is with the surfactants + binders. If you have problems

pulling up the posts ( & several others that Channa & I were interchanging with

this thread are also important) I will be glad to help you pull them up to read

the thread...you need to get this concept....they are Important to his overall

health which is even more important than recovering him!!

Being " seasoned " in this, the saver comment that I kept over the years is from

the Mothering Magazine article from 2001 (GREAT ARTICLE..keeper if you can get

ahold of one of these it's an important issue)...from the National Vaccine

Information Center's (NVIC) 2001 International Conference: Cave, MD:

" if I had to name one treatment that has had astounding results, it is pulling

metal through nutritional therapies. The age group that seems to benefit the

most is between 2 and 7. Between 7 and 12 there is speech and social recovery,

and after 12 there is an ability to reduce the rage usually seen. Metal is rage.

When you pull the metal, the rage goes. "

Again, from the recent thread, my son is now 13 & doing Great! He's done A Lot

with some really, really great docs (I count my blessings every day for these

docs...they trained directly with Dr Klinghardt...btw, he received the LIA 2010

Outstanding Doc Award...the same year I received the LIA Outstanding Mentor

Award....I followed a highly respected Heidi N who received the 2009 Outstanding

Mentor Award)....this info is not to brag, it's to let you know the experience

I've have under my belt. I recommend if you do nothing else right now, add the

safe & effective surfactants with good binders to mop up the die-off/metals dump

(This morning I posted up a good LIA parent mentor list). For your reference,

here's a link to the surfactants we've been successfully using for a year now:

http://immusist.com/

As whole Super Foods, both the surfactants & chlorella are safe enough to give

pregnant & breast-feeding moms.

All My Best,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > My son is 12 years old. It took my husband quite a while to be open to

any biomedical treatments for our son. I'm wondering if chelation would help

his regressive autism (from vaccines...!!...he had convulsions).

> > > >

> > > > There seems to be so many different chelation protocols and, from what

I've read, any time you do chelation you MUST have significant, ongoing testing

to make sure the child is chelating properly.

> > > >

> > > > I've heard that some doctors only check the urine, but I've heard that

you can also chelate through the BMs, skin, hair -- so how do you keep control

of over/under chelating?

> > > >

> > > > How do you overcome the thought of doing further damage with chelation?

> > > >

> > > > I'm really afraid of him being damaged even more!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a

year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular

schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover

them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an

improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and

cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do

anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than psych

meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs schooling

and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The

parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only

ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone

else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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Heidi! I did not know that. I hope you share that story with EVERYone. Sooooo many parents panic because they're terrified of "missing the window".

It's never too late.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25 AMSubject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than psych meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs schooling and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.Love and prayers,Heidi

N

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Here's my story. There are differences, and some have genetic or metabolic

issues which must be addressed, but most seem to just have immune dysfunction.

They simply are full of pathogens and toxins. They can never rid these fully,

but can decrease them enough to be indistinguishable. The problem is that there

are relapses when people go off of things to keep their immune systems healthy.

The trick to recovery is get the digestion working, support liver, take gentle

anti-inflammatories, blood-thinners, and/or vessel dilators, etc., to get the

blood flowing, and then rid the toxins and pathogens. Go very slow, since they

respond in a backfire manner when you try to kill the pathogens quickly. They

will recover way before you get all the toxins and pathogens out. All pathogen

types seem to need to be addressed (worms, protozoa, viruses, pleomorphic

bacteria, mycoplasma). Keep in mind that these are very difficult to rid;

expect to take years to rid and relapses. For my kids, anti-inflammatories like

turmeric, digestive aids and things to mop up daily toxins were key, and they

still require this.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> Heidi!  I did not know that.  I hope you share that story with EVERYone. 

Sooooo many parents panic because they're terrified of " missing the window " .

> It's never too late. 

>

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25 AM

> Subject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

>

>

>  

> I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a

> year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular

> schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover

> them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an

> improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and

> cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do

> anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than psych

> meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs schooling

> and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The

> parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only

> ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone

> else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

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I have often wondered what types of things to always keep up on with

our children that are chronic.My son is 11yrs old and have done many

many treatments(since infancy).I keep pushing on but have not found

cures and he is sensitive to all but a couple meds.He can't take any

naturals.Should we have a Ionic foot bath or sauna,or other

cleansers? Does anyone have an opinion or experience.I am thinking

that my son may need something like this for the rest of his

life?Also, I am looking at a DNA test that I begged for from my doc.

to do for my son,but he doesn't know how to read it.But I am

googling the genes that have a -- in front of them,and have found

some terrible things.If I am reading them right.He has --SOD1and2

with .These two genes have to do with his main detox system.I wonder

who would be able to read my sons test plus do more?And what to do

about it.Yasko does not interest me. Thanks,Tammy F.

Here's my story. There are differences, and some have

genetic or metabolic issues which must be addressed, but

most seem to just have immune dysfunction. They simply are

full of pathogens and toxins. They can never rid these

fully, but can decrease them enough to be

indistinguishable. The problem is that there are relapses

when people go off of things to keep their immune systems

healthy. The trick to recovery is get the digestion

working, support liver, take gentle anti-inflammatories,

blood-thinners, and/or vessel dilators, etc., to get the

blood flowing, and then rid the toxins and pathogens. Go

very slow, since they respond in a backfire manner when

you try to kill the pathogens quickly. They will recover

way before you get all the toxins and pathogens out. All

pathogen types seem to need to be addressed (worms,

protozoa, viruses, pleomorphic bacteria, mycoplasma). Keep

in mind that these are very difficult to rid; expect to

take years to rid and relapses. For my kids,

anti-inflammatories like turmeric, digestive aids and

things to mop up daily toxins were key, and they still

require this.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> Heidi! I did not know that. I hope you share that

story with EVERYone. Sooooo many parents panic because

they're terrified of "missing the window".

> It's never too late.Â

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Have you looked into testing his methylation cycle? This has been a good guide for us, for things we need to keep up with long-term. Here is a link. http://www.holisticheal.com/health-tests/nutrigenomic-testingRuthOn Oct 28, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Tammy F. wrote: I have often wondered what types of things to always keep up on with our children that are chronic.My son is 11yrs old and have done many many treatments(since infancy).I keep pushing on but have not found cures and he is sensitive to all but a couple meds.He can't take any naturals.Should we have a Ionic foot bath or sauna,or other cleansers? Does anyone have an opinion or experience.I am thinking that my son may need something like this for the rest of his life?Also, I am looking at a DNA test that I begged for from my doc. to do for my son,but he doesn't know how to read it.But I am googling the genes that have a -- in front of them,and have found some terrible things.If I am reading them right.He has --SOD1and2 with .These two genes have to do with his main detox system.I wonder who would be able to read my sons test plus do more?And what to do about it.Yasko does not interest me. Thanks,Tammy F. Here's my story. There are differences, and some have genetic or metabolic issues which must be addressed, but most seem to just have immune dysfunction. They simply are full of pathogens and toxins. They can never rid these fully, but can decrease them enough to be indistinguishable. The problem is that there are relapses when people go off of things to keep their immune systems healthy. The trick to recovery is get the digestion working, support liver, take gentle anti-inflammatories, blood-thinners, and/or vessel dilators, etc., to get the blood flowing, and then rid the toxins and pathogens. Go very slow, since they respond in a backfire manner when you try to kill the pathogens quickly. They will recover way before you get all the toxins and pathogens out. All pathogen types seem to need to be addressed (worms, protozoa, viruses, pleomorphic bacteria, mycoplasma). Keep in mind that these are very difficult to rid; expect to take years to rid and relapses. For my kids, anti-inflammatories like turmeric, digestive aids and things to mop up daily toxins were key, and they still require this. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > Heidi! I did not know that. I hope you share that story with EVERYone. Sooooo many parents panic because they're terrified of "missing the window". > It's never too late. > Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use .

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It's difficult to share meaningful thoughts unless you describe your son's

symptoms and what all you have tried. There are so many little things that you

have to get right. For example, getting worse before you get better actually

appears to be the norm. Only occasionally, does it appear that it's a sign that

it's not the right " thing " for them. So, you have to really study how each

thing works. For example, GF is likely not going to work if the person is not

also having a healthy diet, which would likely be organic. Eating non-organic

food is putting so many toxins in their bodies, that having one little change is

not going to be noticed. Also, digestive aids and anti-inflammatories

(turmeric, bromelain, etc.), and then you start seeing something. For us, we

have to treat from several angles at the same time.

Realize the anger is very difficult symptom, for each person will have a

different cause. For some it's allergies, some it's bacteria, some it's worms,

and some it's metabolic from a bad gene. Some have all of the above and need to

treat it all to rid the anger. Not saying that's your situation, but just

saying that each symptom can have different causes or multiple causes. So for

everything you tried, you must revisit and ask if it was done the best possible

way, which will vary per person. Also, there will be exceptions to the rule.

Some of our kids may have tumors or other things that the docs just don't take

the time to look for. So, there's a lot. To be honest, being sensitive is a

good thing. What's worse is to have a child who doesn't react to anything.

What I have learned from the parents here is that sensitivity can come from

worms, but also it can come from lack of ability to detox well from impaired

digestion, liver and from CCSVI (swelling of veins in the neck impeding the

toxins from leaving the brain). I think our kids have multiple problems which

is why they need treatments in so many areas to bring recovery. As time goes

by, it does get easier because the information becomes less overwhelming.

I recently took my daughter to a geneticist. She says she has a group of things

she routinely tests for in children with developmental diagnoses. She then said

that she would be unable to tell me what to do with the results, only the odds

of her children having any of the " bad " genes. She recommended I see a

developmental pediatrician. I told her about our autism recovery doc and she

actually had never heard of it. Anyhow, she was quite interested since she

suffers from MS. So, yes, the docs are not as bright as we would like for them

to be, but if you strategize it, you might can get the insurance to pay for some

of this and at least get each one to provide a little bit of input. We know

that the health practitioners actually recovering kids are the smartest, so take

all what you learn to them. I have not actually looked much into genetics yet;

I figured I would wait to see what symptoms would not go away with the immune

rebalancing treatments. I am just starting to learn genetics now because I now

feel that since autism relapse is very high if they go off of supplements, I

need to know everything about my kids to make sure I can steer them away from

potential hazards like nitrous as well as be aware of the supplements they may

need to take forever to support their immune systems the best. It appears that

our kids will always need to live a little healthier than the general population

to keep symptoms away. But, since nearly half the population gets cancer, I am

guessing the entire population needs to live healthier.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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Hi Heidi,

Thanks a lot for all the information. I would like to know what mop-ups did you use daily? Will be very helpful.

Many thanks,

Cindy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011, 23:41Subject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

Here's my story. There are differences, and some have genetic or metabolic issues which must be addressed, but most seem to just have immune dysfunction. They simply are full of pathogens and toxins. They can never rid these fully, but can decrease them enough to be indistinguishable. The problem is that there are relapses when people go off of things to keep their immune systems healthy. The trick to recovery is get the digestion working, support liver, take gentle anti-inflammatories, blood-thinners, and/or vessel dilators, etc., to get the blood flowing, and then rid the toxins and pathogens. Go very slow, since they respond in a backfire manner when you try to kill the pathogens quickly. They will recover way before you get all the toxins and pathogens out. All pathogen types seem to need to be addressed (worms, protozoa, viruses, pleomorphic bacteria, mycoplasma). Keep in mind that these are very difficult to rid; expect to take years to rid

and relapses. For my kids, anti-inflammatories like turmeric, digestive aids and things to mop up daily toxins were key, and they still require this. Love and prayers,Heidi N>> Heidi! I did not know that. I hope you share that story with EVERYone. Sooooo many parents panic because they're terrified of "missing the window".> It's never too late. > > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25 AM> Subject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my

son???> > > Â > I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a > year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular > schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover > them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an > improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and > cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do > anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than psych > meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs schooling > and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The > parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only > ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone > else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the

recovery journey.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N>

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Heidi,

I was just wondering what you recommend for blood thinners or vessel dialators. I haven't seen anyone really talk about this before.

Thanks Dianne

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:00:14 AMSubject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

It's difficult to share meaningful thoughts unless you describe your son's symptoms and what all you have tried. There are so many little things that you have to get right. For example, getting worse before you get better actually appears to be the norm. Only occasionally, does it appear that it's a sign that it's not the right "thing" for them. So, you have to really study how each thing works. For example, GF is likely not going to work if the person is not also having a healthy diet, which would likely be organic. Eating non-organic food is putting so many toxins in their bodies, that having one little change is not going to be noticed. Also, digestive aids and anti-inflammatories (turmeric, bromelain, etc.), and then you start seeing something. For us, we have to treat from several angles at the same time. Realize the anger is very difficult symptom, for each person will have a different cause. For some it's allergies, some it's bacteria, some it's worms, and some it's metabolic from a bad gene. Some have all of the above and need to treat it all to rid the anger. Not saying that's your situation, but just saying that each symptom can have different causes or multiple causes. So for everything you tried, you must revisit and ask if it was done the best possible way, which will vary per person. Also, there will be exceptions to the rule. Some of our kids may have tumors or other things that the docs just don't take the time to look for. So, there's a lot. To be honest, being sensitive is a good thing. What's worse is to have a child who doesn't react to anything. What I have learned from the parents here is that sensitivity can come from worms, but also it can come from lack of ability to detox well from impaired digestion, liver and from CCSVI (swelling of veins in the neck impeding the toxins from leaving the brain). I think our kids have multiple problems which is why they need treatments in so many areas to bring recovery. As time goes by, it does get easier because the information becomes less overwhelming. I recently took my daughter to a geneticist. She says she has a group of things she routinely tests for in children with developmental diagnoses. She then said that she would be unable to tell me what to do with the results, only the odds of her children having any of the "bad" genes. She recommended I see a developmental pediatrician. I told her about our autism recovery doc and she actually had never heard of it. Anyhow, she was quite interested since she suffers from MS. So, yes, the docs are not as bright as we would like for them to be, but if you strategize it, you might can get the insurance to pay for some of this and at least get each one to provide a little bit of input. We know that the health practitioners actually recovering kids are the smartest, so take all what you learn to them. I have not actually looked much into genetics yet; I figured I would wait to see what symptoms would not go away with the immune rebalancing treatments. I am just starting to learn genetics now because I now feel that since autism relapse is very high if they go off of supplements, I need to know everything about my kids to make sure I can steer them away from potential hazards like nitrous as well as be aware of the supplements they may need to take forever to support their immune systems the best. It appears that our kids will always need to live a little healthier than the general population to keep symptoms away. But, since nearly half the population gets cancer, I am guessing the entire population needs to live healthier. Love and prayers,Heidi N> > >> > > Heidi! I did not know that. I hope you share that story with > > EVERYone. Sooooo many parents panic because they're terrified of > > "missing the window".> > > It's never too late.Â> > > Visit Your Group > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mb12valtrex;_ylc=X3oDMTJmdGI1dm8yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzMTk4NDE3MDc->> >> > MARKETPLACE> >> > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on > > - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. > > <http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15rt5g1rd/M=493064.14543979.14562481.13298430/D=grphealth/S=1705061616:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1319848907/L=050936ee-01b6-11e1-91ca-3f744038667f/B=tT9JF0oGYsg-/J=1319841707842221/K=pmq9rXytgTnhmitFAU2_dQ/A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj>> >> > Yahoo! Groups > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmtlMGRpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE2NDk5NTI4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MTYxNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTMxOTg0MTcwNw--> > >> > Switch to: Text-Only > > <mailto:mb12valtrex-traditional ?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional>, > > Daily Digest > > <mailto:mb12valtrex-digest ?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest> > > . Unsubscribe > > <mailto:mb12valtrex-unsubscribe ?subject=Unsubscribe> . > > Terms of Use <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>> > .> >> >>

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Heidi --

I'm quite intrigued by your story!!

You said, " He started losing symptoms in days. " This has me SO

ENCOURAGED!!

What labs or reports did you use to determine what type of chelation to

do? I would love to have my son mainstreamed!!

My son's chief challenges are ATTENTION and HYPERACTIVITY. He cannot

focus at all because he is always in motion. He cannot control himself!

We've tried all the traditional medications for this type of

behavior...symptom treating, which I know believe.

I'm so ready to tackle the root of the problem and correct it! No more

treating the symptoms!!! There has to be something we can do.

Our son is on TENEX and takes the Natural Calm (2-3 tsp + daily!!) and

it helps but NOT ENOUGH! We are starting the MB12 shots and, from what

I understand is normal, we are seeing a significant increase in his

hyperactivity. I'm told it may take a few weeks for this to subside and

then we'll see a swing to the other side -- greater attention and less

hyperactivity. I'm not encouraged right now...it's so tough to see my

son struggle!!!

I'd like more information, if you have the time!

Thanks,

JEN

>

> I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a

> year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular

> schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover

> them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an

> improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and

> cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do

> anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than

psych

> meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs

schooling

> and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The

> parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only

> ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone

> else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

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Dear Heidi,

Sorry to just post in this conversation. I have a 13 yr old that is so bright ! but very damaged from 3 yrs of seizures. We did the antiviral approach.... some success, but setbacks again. There is lots of mercury according to porphyns, othre test. I have been afraid of chelation because of chronic gut issues ( severe food reactions, constipation) and siezures. However, I am desperate for some gains... still afraid to chelate but wanting to try. Could you share just a little of what bought healing in just 1 yr for your son ? Thank you Rebekah

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:43 AMSubject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

Heidi --I'm quite intrigued by your story!!You said, "He started losing symptoms in days." This has me SOENCOURAGED!!What labs or reports did you use to determine what type of chelation todo? I would love to have my son mainstreamed!!My son's chief challenges are ATTENTION and HYPERACTIVITY. He cannotfocus at all because he is always in motion. He cannot control himself!We've tried all the traditional medications for this type ofbehavior...symptom treating, which I know believe.I'm so ready to tackle the root of the problem and correct it! No moretreating the symptoms!!! There has to be something we can do.Our son is on TENEX and takes the Natural Calm (2-3 tsp + daily!!) andit helps but NOT ENOUGH! We are starting the MB12 shots and, from whatI understand is normal, we are seeing a significant increase in hishyperactivity. I'm told it may take a few weeks

for this to subside andthen we'll see a swing to the other side -- greater attention and lesshyperactivity. I'm not encouraged right now...it's so tough to see myson struggle!!!I'd like more information, if you have the time!Thanks,JEN>> I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a> year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular> schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover> them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an> improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and> cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do>

anything for him and would not even do anything for him other thanpsych> meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needsschooling> and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The> parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only> ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone> else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.>> Love and prayers,>> Heidi N>

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You know, I never did chelation as much as I should, nor did I have to in order

to achieve recovery. I think that chelation is more for reducing dependence

upon things. I think the metals disrupt the body, like impair digestion, and

all kinds of things in the mitochondria area and such. But, you can supplement

to get the body to work close to correctly. Such as when you give digestive

aids, you are not fixing the digestion, you are only halting some of the damage

being done, and are allowing the body to work better. So, you will see less

symptoms, yet the cause of the problem has not yet been addressed.

Chelation is a difficult task. I have seen posts from those who have chelated,

report they achieved recovery and then relapsed after stopping chelation for a

while. The parents said they feel it's because they didn't treat the

pleomorphic pathogens. Now keep in mind there are two main categories of

pathogens. The pleomorphic pathogens cause immune dysfunction and the

stockpiling of opportunistic infections and toxins. The opportunistic

infections are the ones like Strep and yeast, that only overgrow when the immune

system is damaged. The pleomorphic pathogens are tricky, changing shape to

evade and overcome what is trying to kill them.

Detoxers works in two ways. They help the person handle the every day toxins

they come into contact with that are in our food, water, air. The toxins can

never be avoided, but exposure can be reduced. Our liver is our main component

for this, and everyone dies right away without a liver because our body has to

rid it's daily toxins daily. Anyhow, our children also have stored toxins which

research states impairs various functions in the body. So, when we chelate, we

often get immediate improvements, but symptoms return when stopped. Chelation

is very difficult, and I have not tried various ways enough to say which is the

best. Chelation often removes healthy metals and our kids test low in healthy

metals, so this is another problem. It could be that our kids can not absorb

enough healthy metals due to having toxic metals there. Anyway you look at it,

chelation takes a long time and must be done carefully.

So, no we have not chelated much, and therefore I can not recommend a good way

to do this. I guess I like time-release alpha lopoic acid and I hear that some

report that a product called Immusist is helping them rid toxins when other

methods have failed. It can cause die-off at first, but appears more gentler

than other options. Modifilan worked for us for daily toxins. I say to work

closely with your practitioner on choosing what works for your child. There is

so much to learn and it's difficult to learn enough, so you really must be

working with someone experienced.

I focused on pathogens to see how much metals would come out, and I now feel

that lots come out, but I still am not comfortable that we have rid enough. Keep

in mind that in autism, it appears they are not only full of toxins, but all

pathogen types (bacteria, viral, worms, protozoa). Therefore, treating all

pathogen types plus detoxing seems to need be done. For me, going slow was key,

and I focused mostly on digestion and inflammation, and assiting the body with

daily toxins. Treating pathogens and toxins is best done when the body is

working good enough to dispel them. For example, since they already can't handle

daily toxins, killing pathogens or loosening metals adds to that burden. So,

keep things for inflammation and die-off, which includes proper digestion, at

the forefront of treatment decisions. Many have poor blood circulation as well.

Cod liver oil or the other essential fatty acids are shown in research to thin

the blood, reduce inflammation and reduce ADHD symptoms. But, it works over

time for the ADHD. It is not enough in itself for my family to rid inflammation

to thin the blood, so we use more.

Love and prayers,

Heidi

> >

> > I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a

> > year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular

> > schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover

> > them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an

> > improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and

> > cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do

> > anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than

> psych

> > meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs

> schooling

> > and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The

> > parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only

> > ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone

> > else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.

> >

> > Love and prayers,

> >

> > Heidi N

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi, that is great information

thanks

dianne

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:34:20 PMSubject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

You know, I never did chelation as much as I should, nor did I have to in order to achieve recovery. I think that chelation is more for reducing dependence upon things. I think the metals disrupt the body, like impair digestion, and all kinds of things in the mitochondria area and such. But, you can supplement to get the body to work close to correctly. Such as when you give digestive aids, you are not fixing the digestion, you are only halting some of the damage being done, and are allowing the body to work better. So, you will see less symptoms, yet the cause of the problem has not yet been addressed.Chelation is a difficult task. I have seen posts from those who have chelated, report they achieved recovery and then relapsed after stopping chelation for a while. The parents said they feel it's because they didn't treat the pleomorphic pathogens. Now keep in mind there are two main categories of pathogens. The pleomorphic pathogens cause immune dysfunction and the stockpiling of opportunistic infections and toxins. The opportunistic infections are the ones like Strep and yeast, that only overgrow when the immune system is damaged. The pleomorphic pathogens are tricky, changing shape to evade and overcome what is trying to kill them. Detoxers works in two ways. They help the person handle the every day toxins they come into contact with that are in our food, water, air. The toxins can never be avoided, but exposure can be reduced. Our liver is our main component for this, and everyone dies right away without a liver because our body has to rid it's daily toxins daily. Anyhow, our children also have stored toxins which research states impairs various functions in the body. So, when we chelate, we often get immediate improvements, but symptoms return when stopped. Chelation is very difficult, and I have not tried various ways enough to say which is the best. Chelation often removes healthy metals and our kids test low in healthy metals, so this is another problem. It could be that our kids can not absorb enough healthy metals due to having toxic metals there. Anyway you look at it, chelation takes a long time and must be done carefully. So, no we have not chelated much, and therefore I can not recommend a good way to do this. I guess I like time-release alpha lopoic acid and I hear that some report that a product called Immusist is helping them rid toxins when other methods have failed. It can cause die-off at first, but appears more gentler than other options. Modifilan worked for us for daily toxins. I say to work closely with your practitioner on choosing what works for your child. There is so much to learn and it's difficult to learn enough, so you really must be working with someone experienced.I focused on pathogens to see how much metals would come out, and I now feel that lots come out, but I still am not comfortable that we have rid enough. Keep in mind that in autism, it appears they are not only full of toxins, but all pathogen types (bacteria, viral, worms, protozoa). Therefore, treating all pathogen types plus detoxing seems to need be done. For me, going slow was key, and I focused mostly on digestion and inflammation, and assiting the body with daily toxins. Treating pathogens and toxins is best done when the body is working good enough to dispel them. For example, since they already can't handle daily toxins, killing pathogens or loosening metals adds to that burden. So, keep things for inflammation and die-off, which includes proper digestion, at the forefront of treatment decisions. Many have poor blood circulation as well. Cod liver oil or the other essential fatty acids are shown in research to thin the blood, reduce inflammation and reduce ADHD symptoms. But, it works over time for the ADHD. It is not enough in itself for my family to rid inflammation to thin the blood, so we use more. Love and prayers,Heidi > >> > I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a> > year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular> > schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover> > them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an> > improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and> > cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do> > anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than> psych> > meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs> schooling> > and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The> > parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids are the only> > ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone> > else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.> >> > Love and prayers,> >> > Heidi N> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I have seen tremendous gains in my son focusing on immflamtion, virues, fungus, bacteria...and nutrition. But keeping this gains is hard. His gut gets messed up so easy. We have had great victories, and setbacks.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 3:34 PMSubject: Re: Am I too late to do chelation for my son???

You know, I never did chelation as much as I should, nor did I have to in order to achieve recovery. I think that chelation is more for reducing dependence upon things. I think the metals disrupt the body, like impair digestion, and all kinds of things in the mitochondria area and such. But, you can supplement to get the body to work close to correctly. Such as when you give digestive aids, you are not fixing the digestion, you are only halting some of the damage being done, and are allowing the body to work better. So, you will see less symptoms, yet the cause of the problem has not yet been addressed.Chelation is a difficult task. I have seen posts from those who have chelated, report they achieved recovery and then relapsed after stopping chelation for a while. The parents said they feel it's because they didn't treat the pleomorphic pathogens. Now keep in mind there are two main categories of pathogens. The pleomorphic pathogens cause

immune dysfunction and the stockpiling of opportunistic infections and toxins. The opportunistic infections are the ones like Strep and yeast, that only overgrow when the immune system is damaged. The pleomorphic pathogens are tricky, changing shape to evade and overcome what is trying to kill them. Detoxers works in two ways. They help the person handle the every day toxins they come into contact with that are in our food, water, air. The toxins can never be avoided, but exposure can be reduced. Our liver is our main component for this, and everyone dies right away without a liver because our body has to rid it's daily toxins daily. Anyhow, our children also have stored toxins which research states impairs various functions in the body. So, when we chelate, we often get immediate improvements, but symptoms return when stopped. Chelation is very difficult, and I have not tried various ways enough to say which is the best. Chelation often removes

healthy metals and our kids test low in healthy metals, so this is another problem. It could be that our kids can not absorb enough healthy metals due to having toxic metals there. Anyway you look at it, chelation takes a long time and must be done carefully. So, no we have not chelated much, and therefore I can not recommend a good way to do this. I guess I like time-release alpha lopoic acid and I hear that some report that a product called Immusist is helping them rid toxins when other methods have failed. It can cause die-off at first, but appears more gentler than other options. Modifilan worked for us for daily toxins. I say to work closely with your practitioner on choosing what works for your child. There is so much to learn and it's difficult to learn enough, so you really must be working with someone experienced.I focused on pathogens to see how much metals would come out, and I now feel that lots come out, but I still am not

comfortable that we have rid enough. Keep in mind that in autism, it appears they are not only full of toxins, but all pathogen types (bacteria, viral, worms, protozoa). Therefore, treating all pathogen types plus detoxing seems to need be done. For me, going slow was key, and I focused mostly on digestion and inflammation, and assiting the body with daily toxins. Treating pathogens and toxins is best done when the body is working good enough to dispel them. For example, since they already can't handle daily toxins, killing pathogens or loosening metals adds to that burden. So, keep things for inflammation and die-off, which includes proper digestion, at the forefront of treatment decisions. Many have poor blood circulation as well. Cod liver oil or the other essential fatty acids are shown in research to thin the blood, reduce inflammation and reduce ADHD symptoms. But, it works over time for the ADHD. It is not enough in itself for my family to rid

inflammation to thin the blood, so we use more. Love and prayers,Heidi > >> > I did not start recovery efforts on one of mine until he was 14. In a> > year's time, he went from all special needs schooling to all regular> > schooling. I remember reading all the reports that you have to recover> > them when they are young. I thought I could at least get an> > improvement. He started losing symptoms in days. I cried and cried and> > cried because his mainstream specialists told me that no one could do> > anything for him and would not even do anything for him other than> psych> > meds which only enabled him to be able to attend special needs> schooling> > and kept him out of in-patient settings. I felt so lied to. The> > parents on the health forums and the docs recovering kids

are the only> > ones with results and they are the only ones who really know. Everyone> > else are just pessimistic naysayers who hinder the recovery journey.> >> > Love and prayers,> >> > Heidi N> >>