Vitamin C Story

[Guest guest]

Why vitamin c should be in every medicine chest. Much (but not all) of this is anecdotal. But having awesome results with it here in my house, I don't underestimate vitamin c's tremendous power.

Go vitamin c!

http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/vitaminc.html

Tammy

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[Guest guest]

Tammy, I would love to use vitamin c but not sure if it causes problems or not.

First I tried Ester C and when my son seemed uncomfortable, our naturopath told

us to try tapioca based product as my son had corn intolerance. He believed that

the fact that the c was corn based it was causing stomach ache. Finally I

started tapioca based but I was dealing w acid reflux and seemed like it causing

more heartburn. I really want to give it one more try when things are a little

settled. What brand and dose do u use and can u share the benefits u

experienced. My friend also saw immediate gains when she put her kids on it.

is

I ltrex , Tammy wrote:

>

> Why vitamin c should be in every medicine chest. Much (but not all) of this is

anecdotal. But having awesome results with it here in my house, I don't

underestimate vitamin c's tremendous power.

>

> Go vitamin c!

>

> http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/vitaminc.html

>

> Tammy

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

[Guest guest]

I'm wrestling with Vit C right now, Tammy. As soon as Vit C enters

Maia's system, it oxidizes really really fast and does not recycle,

and this is why we have oxalate problems with it. Maia doesn't

recycle Vit C back into the state that's not oxidized and I need to

figure out why.

Not only is Vit C used to treat all those things listed in the

article, I just found something interesting about Vit C yesterday (we

must be on the same wavelength -- I was digging about Vit C yesterday,

too...)

I found these two sources that said that carnitine is involved in two

steps of carnitine biosynthesis:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/35

http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/6/1147S.abstract

Some other interesting things about Vit C:

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxidants/VitaminC.html

" Sodium-independent transport systems shuttle vitamin C across the

basolateral membrane of the intestinal cells. "

We're having some issues with increasing our B5, as well. That also

involves a sodium-based (transporter?). I'm trying to unravel this

because I think why she doesn't tolerate increased doses of B5 and why

she doesn't recycle Vit C might be related. Back to the gut again.

These are two big mito problems. B5 makes Coenzyme A and Vit C makes

carnitine. I can see a thousand ways we could be screwed from that

alone if we cannot retain these two things in her body.

[Guest guest]

Oh, and I forgot to add, too...ALA recycles Vit C. But that would

mean that we would need to be on ALA all the time, then?

The Vit C problem is so damn complicated...

[Guest guest]

You should friend carin smit on facebook only yesterday she had tonnes of research re vit c.she was our sons DAN for a while but she has real interest on toxicology etc,always into research,she is based in SALet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:59:48 -0400To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story Oh, and I forgot to add, too...ALA recycles Vit C. But that wouldmean that we would need to be on ALA all the time, then?The Vit C problem is so damn complicated...

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. (that was an awesome link, btw)Parasites will suck up vitamins. Viruses, too ( think of measles sucking up vitamin a)Even bacterias. (bad takes over good. Good is unable to manufacture B's).But it will be interesting to see what happens after a good parasite cleanse.(which I'm beginning to think is necessary for EVERYone). Because you have seen them with your own eyes and know for a fact they are there, It's a good placeto start. Have you ever tried clumping Maia's and Ethan's symptoms together (as if they were one person) to see if they all point in the same direction?I've tried with the boys.

They are so unbelievably opposite...and I never really dove too much into genetics - so I really haven't been able to make a specific connection.Please keep us posted.Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:57 AM Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story

I'm wrestling with Vit C right now, Tammy. As soon as Vit C enters

Maia's system, it oxidizes really really fast and does not recycle,

and this is why we have oxalate problems with it. Maia doesn't

recycle Vit C back into the state that's not oxidized and I need to

figure out why.

Not only is Vit C used to treat all those things listed in the

article, I just found something interesting about Vit C yesterday (we

must be on the same wavelength -- I was digging about Vit C yesterday,

too...)

I found these two sources that said that carnitine is involved in two

steps of carnitine biosynthesis:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/35

http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/6/1147S.abstract

Some other interesting things about Vit C:

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxidants/VitaminC.html

"Sodium-independent transport systems shuttle vitamin C across the

basolateral membrane of the intestinal cells. "

We're having some issues with increasing our B5, as well. That also

involves a sodium-based (transporter?). I'm trying to unravel this

because I think why she doesn't tolerate increased doses of B5 and why

she doesn't recycle Vit C might be related. Back to the gut again.

These are two big mito problems. B5 makes Coenzyme A and Vit C makes

carnitine. I can see a thousand ways we could be screwed from that

alone if we cannot retain these two things in her body.

[Guest guest]

Ethan tolerates a moderate dose of Vit C just fine, does great on it even.  We just finished an ALA only round last weekend with Maia and as soon as the round ended, the Vit C oxidized and she started dumping oxalate.  I'm sooooo frustrated with Vit C.  I almost want to buy my own Buick so I can run its face over with it.  I've tried everything I can think of but she keeps going back to not being able to recycle it!  I gotta fix this...

 

Absolutely. (that was an awesome link, btw)

Parasites will suck up vitamins.  Viruses, too ( think of measles sucking up vitamin a)Even bacterias. (bad takes over good. Good is unable to manufacture B's).

But it will be interesting to see what happens after a good parasite cleanse.(which I'm beginning to think is necessary for EVERYone).  Because you have seen them with your own eyes and know for a fact they are there, It's a good place

to start.  Have you ever tried clumping Maia's and Ethan's symptoms together (as if they were one person) to see if they all point in the same direction?I've tried with the boys.

 They are so unbelievably opposite...and I never really dove too much into genetics - so I really haven't been able to make a specific connection.Please keep us posted.

Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story

 

I'm wrestling with Vit C right now, Tammy. As soon as Vit C enters

Maia's system, it oxidizes really really fast and does not recycle,

and this is why we have oxalate problems with it. Maia doesn't

recycle Vit C back into the state that's not oxidized and I need to

figure out why.

Not only is Vit C used to treat all those things listed in the

article, I just found something interesting about Vit C yesterday (we

must be on the same wavelength -- I was digging about Vit C yesterday,

too...)

I found these two sources that said that carnitine is involved in two

steps of carnitine biosynthesis:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/35

http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/6/1147S.abstract

Some other interesting things about Vit C:

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxidants/VitaminC.html

" Sodium-independent transport systems shuttle vitamin C across the

basolateral membrane of the intestinal cells. "

We're having some issues with increasing our B5, as well. That also

involves a sodium-based (transporter?). I'm trying to unravel this

because I think why she doesn't tolerate increased doses of B5 and why

she doesn't recycle Vit C might be related. Back to the gut again.

These are two big mito problems. B5 makes Coenzyme A and Vit C makes

carnitine. I can see a thousand ways we could be screwed from that

alone if we cannot retain these two things in her body.

[Guest guest]

And the other thing that frustrates me is I don't even know if this is happening at the mito level or if there's a problem with the gut epithelium or what.  It annoys me so much that I don't have a clue.  But the epithelium scenario might be caused by intestinal parasites, so maybe I need to go on a worm rampage to help this problem...

[Guest guest]

I'd love to hear everything she knows abt Vit C...there were quite a few Carin Smits and my FB app is running suuuper slow today. I just sent you a friend request.  I'd love to friend her too.  

 

You should friend carin smit on facebook only yesterday she had tonnes of research re vit c.she was our sons DAN for a while but she has real interest on toxicology etc,always into research,she is based in SALet your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:59:48 -0400To: <mb12valtrex >

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Oh, and I forgot to add, too...ALA recycles Vit C. But that would

mean that we would need to be on ALA all the time, then?

The Vit C problem is so damn complicated...

[Guest guest]

Just confirmed that u should be able to get her in my friend list if any hassle mail me back just leaving on 4 hour road trip so may not pick up mail till laterLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:35:03 -0400To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story I'd love to hear everything she knows abt Vit C...there were quite a few Carin Smits and my FB app is running suuuper slow today. I just sent you a friend request.  I'd love to friend her too.   You should friend carin smit on facebook only yesterday she had tonnes of research re vit c.she was our sons DAN for a while but she has real interest on toxicology etc,always into research,she is based in SALet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:59:48 -0400To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story Oh, and I forgot to add, too...ALA recycles Vit C. But that wouldmean that we would need to be on ALA all the time, then?The Vit C problem is so damn complicated...

[Guest guest]

I am a believer in vitamin C and have huge info on it, including a thick book "Curing the Incurable" by Dr. Levy.But I am member of Trying_Low_Oxalates Yahoo Group and there I face tough opposition to vitamin C mainly who ownsthat List. is a strong critic of C. Ratan.-------------Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@...- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrition Soc. of India; Member ISOM- Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA);- www.RegainMentalHealth.com/ www.jaipurmart.com/trade/meditationandhealthTo: mb12valtrex From: cotter.mary1@...Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:39:46 +0000Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

Just confirmed that u should be able to get her in my friend list if any hassle mail me back just leaving on 4 hour road trip so may not pick up mail till laterLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:35:03 -0400To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex

Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

I'd love to hear everything she knows abt Vit C...there were quite a few Carin Smits and my FB app is running suuuper slow today. I just sent you a friend request. I'd love to friend her too.

You should friend carin smit on facebook only yesterday she had tonnes of research re vit c.she was our sons DAN for a while but she has real interest on toxicology etc,always into research,she is based in SALet your email find you with BlackBerry® from Vodafone

Sender: mb12valtrex

Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 04:59:48 -0400To: <mb12valtrex >

ReplyTo: mb12valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story

Oh, and I forgot to add, too...ALA recycles Vit C. But that would

mean that we would need to be on ALA all the time, then?

The Vit C problem is so damn complicated...

[Guest guest]

I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrong

with my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainly

not my daughter.

I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking that

Vit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc on

some people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C in

an orange or a glass of apple juice.

We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the Vit

C. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then you

see gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet her

Vit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn't

recycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people where

this is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitioner

says to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility that

certain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit that

there's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

[Guest guest]

Have you looked into MMS there is facebook group all using it but you can't take vit c with it,people having good results it an oxidant maybe might work for you.I am trying it with my son early days but OCD way down also yeast under controlLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:15:36 -0400To: <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrongwith my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainlynot my daughter.I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking thatVit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc onsome people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C inan orange or a glass of apple juice.We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the VitC. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then yousee gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet herVit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn'trecycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people wherethis is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitionersays to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility thatcertain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit thatthere's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

[Guest guest]

Lmaooooooooo. The Buick is gone : ( A Chevy Lumina has taken its place.....it's not quite the same.

Tammy

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Sent: Fri May 18 09:21:18 EDT 2012

To: " mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >

Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

Ethan tolerates a moderate dose of Vit C just fine, does great on it even.  We just finished an ALA only round last weekend with Maia and as soon as the round ended, the Vit C oxidized and she started dumping oxalate.  I'm sooooo frustrated with Vit C.  I almost want to buy my own Buick so I can run its face over with it.  I've tried everything I can think of but she keeps going back to not being able to recycle it!  I gotta fix this...

 

Absolutely. (that was an awesome link, btw)

Parasites will suck up vitamins.  Viruses, too ( think of measles sucking up vitamin a)Even bacterias. (bad takes over good. Good is unable to manufacture B's).

But it will be interesting to see what happens after a good parasite cleanse.(which I'm beginning to think is necessary for EVERYone).  Because you have seen them with your own eyes and know for a fact they are there, It's a good place

to start.  Have you ever tried clumping Maia's and Ethan's symptoms together (as if they were one person) to see if they all point in the same direction?I've tried with the boys.

 They are so unbelievably opposite...and I never really dove too much into genetics - so I really haven't been able to make a specific connection.Please keep us posted.

Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:57 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C Story

 

I'm wrestling with Vit C right now, Tammy. As soon as Vit C enters

Maia's system, it oxidizes really really fast and does not recycle,

and this is why we have oxalate problems with it. Maia doesn't

recycle Vit C back into the state that's not oxidized and I need to

figure out why.

Not only is Vit C used to treat all those things listed in the

article, I just found something interesting about Vit C yesterday (we

must be on the same wavelength -- I was digging about Vit C yesterday,

too...)

I found these two sources that said that carnitine is involved in two

steps of carnitine biosynthesis:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/35

http://www.ajcn.org/content/54/6/1147S.abstract

Some other interesting things about Vit C:

http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxidants/VitaminC.html

" Sodium-independent transport systems shuttle vitamin C across the

basolateral membrane of the intestinal cells. "

We're having some issues with increasing our B5, as well. That also

involves a sodium-based (transporter?). I'm trying to unravel this

because I think why she doesn't tolerate increased doses of B5 and why

she doesn't recycle Vit C might be related. Back to the gut again.

These are two big mito problems. B5 makes Coenzyme A and Vit C makes

carnitine. I can see a thousand ways we could be screwed from that

alone if we cannot retain these two things in her body.

[Guest guest]

Got go agree with you on this one. If we've learned only ond thing here it's what's good for the goose is not good for the gander. I notice that alot with people and "the diet"......"if your kiddo doesnt respond, you must be doing it wrong...." Sends me crazy, but we're all doing the best we can.

Tammy

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Sent: Fri May 18 14:15:36 EDT 2012

To: mb12valtrex

Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrong

with my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainly

not my daughter.

I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking that

Vit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc on

some people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C in

an orange or a glass of apple juice.

We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the Vit

C. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then you

see gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet her

Vit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn't

recycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people where

this is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitioner

says to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility that

certain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit that

there's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

[Guest guest]

,

I was wondering the same myself: if one has trouble with antioxidants, then it might be worth researching oxidants.

Tammy

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[Guest guest]

is we saw gains very shortly after starting on Vit C. We use childlife liquid vit chttp://www.vitacost.com/childlife-liquid-vitamin-cWe give 1 tsp a day. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:37

AM Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

Tammy, I would love to use vitamin c but not sure if it causes problems or not. First I tried Ester C and when my son seemed uncomfortable, our naturopath told us to try tapioca based product as my son had corn intolerance. He believed that the fact that the c was corn based it was causing stomach ache. Finally I started tapioca based but I was dealing w acid reflux and seemed like it causing more heartburn. I really want to give it one more try when things are a little settled. What brand and dose do u use and can u share the benefits u experienced. My friend also saw immediate gains when she put her kids on it.

is

I ltrex , Tammy wrote:

>

> Why vitamin c should be in every medicine chest. Much (but not all) of this is anecdotal. But having awesome results with it here in my house, I don't underestimate vitamin c's tremendous power.

>

> Go vitamin c!

>

> http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/vitaminc.html

>

> Tammy

>

> Sent from my Kindle Fire

>

[Guest guest]

Have you considered liposomal Vit C. It is much more effective but also much more expensive.We use the one made by Livon. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, May

18, 2012 2:15 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrong

with my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainly

not my daughter.

I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking that

Vit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc on

some people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C in

an orange or a glass of apple juice.

We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the Vit

C. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then you

see gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet her

Vit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn't

recycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people where

this is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitioner

says to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility that

certain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit that

there's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

[Guest guest]

How did everyone become so knowledgeable about all the topics you all talk

about? Where do you find all this information ? I read all the posts everyday

and I am trying to learn but I get so confused sometimes. I have so many

questions... For example : Alberta talks about how vitamin c can oxidize and gut

function diminishes, oxalate dump etc... How can you tell in your kids that this

is happening ? I want to understand and know these things so bad. Everyday I

look at my boys and wonder... My mind never stops but i feel like i really know

nothing!

Can anyone help me understand this vitamin c oxidize thing and guide me as to

where I can learn as much as possible about all these issues that may be

affecting our kids ?

Thanks!

>

> Have you considered liposomal Vit C. It is much more effective but also much

more expensive.We use the one made by Livon.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:15 PM

> Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

>

>

>

>  

>

> I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrong

> with my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainly

> not my daughter.

>

> I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking that

> Vit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc on

> some people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C in

> an orange or a glass of apple juice.

>

> We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the Vit

> C. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then you

> see gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet her

> Vit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn't

> recycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people where

> this is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitioner

> says to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility that

> certain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit that

> there's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for asking this question....this list has been amazingly supportive and helpful. How does everyone know so much- and how can you pick such nuances such as the one mentioned below. I have a masters degree in information systems management but NOTHING prepared me for this...I read all the time, I'm up nights on the net, in the library, on amazon, researching supplements, reactions, I spend tons of time with my child--but I always feel I'm missing out and I don't know enough...his reactions are confounding to me...Please share where you got so much info? which books? Which websites? Which doctors? Thanks SO much.

. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

How did everyone become so knowledgeable about all the topics you all talk about? Where do you find all this information ? I read all the posts everyday and I am trying to learn but I get so confused sometimes. I have so many questions... For example : Alberta talks about how vitamin c can oxidize and gut function diminishes, oxalate dump etc... How can you tell in your kids that this is happening ? I want to understand and know these things so bad. Everyday I look at my boys and wonder... My mind never stops but i feel like i really know nothing!

Can anyone help me understand this vitamin c oxidize thing and guide me as to where I can learn as much as possible about all these issues that may be affecting our kids ?

Thanks!

>

> Have you considered liposomal Vit C. It is much more effective but also much more expensive.We use the one made by Livon.

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 2:15 PM

> Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

>

>

>

> Â

>

> I love because she's awesome and she really gets what's wrong

> with my daughter. Not everyone can do high doses of Vit C. Certainly

> not my daughter.

>

> I don't understand why many biomed practitioners keep thinking that

> Vit C is good for *everybody*. It isn't and it really wrecks havoc on

> some people. My daughter isn't even tolerating the amount of Vit C in

> an orange or a glass of apple juice.

>

> We do some Vit C while on ALA rounds and that helps to recycle the Vit

> C. But the minute we stop the ALA, the Vit C oxidizes and then you

> see gut functions diminish...and then the oxalate dump starts, yet her

> Vit C levels are low. That means that it oxidizes but then it doesn't

> recycle to its unoxidized state. There is a subset of people where

> this is true...not everyone. I really hate it when a practitioner

> says to just supp Vit C without thinking about the possibility that

> certain people aren't using it properly. To not even admit that

> there's a problem means that they don't have to work to fix it.

>

[Guest guest]

I am not necessarily the one you are specifically talking to, but I just want to

reassure you that the knowledge comes with time and perserverance. Most of us

have been at it for years. I have been at it for about five years now. I have

learned from the Feingold group in the early days, this group, TACA, Pecanbread

(when we did SCD), the Low Oxalate Group, our DAN doc (Dr. Berger), Dr.

Amy Yasko (and her forum), the articles at Age of Autism, a couple books, and a

lot of reading on the web. Not too far back I had over 500 medical related

websites bookmarked as favorites...I had to narrow it down. And then of course,

my own journey of learning my own children.

When you stay on these lists long enough, you watch different cycles come in and

out. Right now there has been a lot of talk about MMS. At other points there

have been learning periods about Traditional Chinese Medicine or parasites, or

whatever. You start to gain a very broad-based knowledge and then as things

work for YOUR child, you really come to know certain topics. So while I have

not done MMS or AC chelation, I have done the high vitamin A protocol and

suppository chelation. My child does not have an issue with oxalates, but my

child did do the Specific Carbohydrate diet and has major salicylate issues, so

I know more about those diets than I do the Low Oxalate Diet.

Don't worry, you'll get there! Just keep learning and try not to let yourself

burn out in the process. Slow and steady does it. Ask specific questions on

the lists and keep a big, well organized " favorites " list of articles and

websites.

Cathy

>

> Thanks so much for asking this question....this list has been amazingly

supportive and helpful.  How does everyone know so much- and how can you pick

such nuances such as the one mentioned below.  I have a masters degree in

information systems management but NOTHING prepared me for this...I read all the

time, I'm up nights on the net, in the library, on amazon, researching

supplements, reactions, I spend tons of time with my child--but I always feel

I'm missing out and I don't know enough...his reactions are confounding to me...

>

>

> Please share where you got so much info? which books? Which websites? Which

doctors?

>

>

> Thanks SO much.

>

>

> .

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: mb12valtrex

> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:31 AM

> Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

>

>

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> How did everyone become so knowledgeable about all the topics you all talk

about? Where do you find all this information ? I read all the posts everyday

and I am trying to learn but I get so confused sometimes. I have so many

questions... For example : Alberta talks about how vitamin c can oxidize and gut

function diminishes, oxalate dump etc... How can you tell in your kids that this

is happening ? I want to understand and know these things so bad. Everyday I

look at my boys and wonder... My mind never stops but i feel like i really know

nothing!

> Can anyone help me understand this vitamin c oxidize thing and guide me as to

where I can learn as much as possible about all these issues that may be

affecting our kids ?

> Thanks!

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Thank you for your suggestion SB. The brand you recommended contains grapefruit

seed extract and my son has bad phenol sensitivity. Once I fix his sensitivity

which is becoming a dream, I may give it a try.

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> > Why vitamin c should be in every medicine chest. Much (but not all) of this

is anecdotal. But having awesome results with it here in my house, I don't

underestimate vitamin c's tremendous power.

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> > Go vitamin c!

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> > http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/vitaminc.html

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> > Tammy

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> > Sent from my Kindle Fire

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II love lypo spheric vita c by livo lab. Is the only thing I use for fever in my

house, also is very gentle on the stomach. ( just price)

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> > > Why vitamin c should be in every medicine chest. Much (but not all) of

this is anecdotal. But having awesome results with it here in my house, I don't

underestimate vitamin c's tremendous power.

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> > > Go vitamin c!

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> > > http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/vitaminc.html

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> > > Tammy

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> > > Sent from my Kindle Fire

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[Guest guest]

You - tube "how to make liposomal vitamin c". Super easy and cheap cheap cheap! Most of the time it is made with lecithin, so those that are soy sensitive probably wouldnt want it. I believe there are alternatives to the soy, though.

Tammy

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Great post, Cathy.I would also like to add that Alberta sets the bar pretty high.This is NOT the norm and most days she leaves me scratching my head in absolute awe. I have learned so much. This is a great group - with hearts as big as their brains.Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C Story

I am not necessarily the one you are specifically talking to, but I just want to reassure you that the knowledge comes with time and perserverance. Most of us have been at it for years. I have been at it for about five years now. I have learned from the Feingold group in the early days, this group, TACA, Pecanbread (when we did SCD), the Low Oxalate Group, our DAN doc (Dr. Berger), Dr. Amy Yasko (and her forum), the articles at Age of Autism, a couple books, and a lot of reading on the web. Not too far back I had over 500 medical related websites bookmarked as favorites...I had to narrow it down. And then of course, my own journey of learning my own children.

When you stay on these lists long enough, you watch different cycles come in and out. Right now there has been a lot of talk about MMS. At other points there have been learning periods about Traditional Chinese Medicine or parasites, or whatever. You start to gain a very broad-based knowledge and then as things work for YOUR child, you really come to know certain topics. So while I have not done MMS or AC chelation, I have done the high vitamin A protocol and suppository chelation. My child does not have an issue with oxalates, but my child did do the Specific Carbohydrate diet and has major salicylate issues, so I know more about those diets than I do the Low Oxalate Diet.

Don't worry, you'll get there! Just keep learning and try not to let yourself burn out in the process. Slow and steady does it. Ask specific questions on the lists and keep a big, well organized "favorites" list of articles and websites.

Cathy

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> Thanks so much for asking this question....this list has been amazingly supportive and helpful. How does everyone know so much- and how can you pick such nuances such as the one mentioned below. I have a masters degree in information systems management but NOTHING prepared me for this...I read all the time, I'm up nights on the net, in the library, on amazon, researching supplements, reactions, I spend tons of time with my child--but I always feel I'm missing out and I don't know enough...his reactions are confounding to me...

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> Please share where you got so much info? which books? Which websites? Which doctors?

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> How did everyone become so knowledgeable about all the topics you all talk about? Where do you find all this information ? I read all the posts everyday and I am trying to learn but I get so confused sometimes. I have so many questions... For example : Alberta talks about how vitamin c can oxidize and gut function diminishes, oxalate dump etc... How can you tell in your kids that this is happening ? I want to understand and know these things so bad. Everyday I look at my boys and wonder... My mind never stops but i feel like i really know nothing!

> Can anyone help me understand this vitamin c oxidize thing and guide me as to where I can learn as much as possible about all these issues that may be affecting our kids ?

> Thanks!

>