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This enrages me. I have seen too many with autism that do not look

different. Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also

have autism. But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is

from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very

skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and

down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon

recovery in the children that I have seen. So, no to physical

differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes,

larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this

is due to developing nutritional issues. Low Vitamin D causes

larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the

autism population. They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies,

and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is

inferred that their eyes or noses are different.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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The pharmaceutical industry wants the public to believe this is all genetic. They have great influence over the media. It's all part of the plan to convince the sheeple to buy into "autism is genetic" to there fore tae the heat off themselves. Meanwhile studies on GI dysfunction and brain inflammation, environmental factors are ignored or buried.

The bottom line is autism numbers would not be increasing so dramatically nor would we see clusters of autism like the 1 in 28 Somali children in Minnesota if this was genetic. Genetics doesn't work that way and, if Darwin's theories of evolution are correct, an autism gene or genes does ot favor survival or the ability to compete then according to natural selection autism cases should be decreasing not exploding in numbers.

Only 10% of autism cases are solely genetic, so what about the other 90%??

Poisoning maybe?

This is part of their PR war. .

Subject: Re: Fwd: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severityTo: mb12valtrex Date: Friday, October 28, 2011, 11:20 AM

This enrages me. I have seen too many with autism that do not look different. Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have autism. But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen. So, no to physical differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes, larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to developing nutritional issues. Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population. They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different. Love and

prayers,Heidi N> Subject: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity> > http://sfari. org/news- and-opinion/ news/2011/ facial-features- provide-clue- to-autism- severity

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To play devil's advocate, my facial shape really changed once I started taking growth hormone (again) as an adult.I had to be on growth hormone as a child but it was a human product then, and had to stop production

when there was an issue with Crutzfeld-Jakob  (human version of mad-cow disease)Anyway, I had a very round appearing face because of my fat distribution, basically looked like a bowling ball. LOL!Once I started the hormones again, the fat re-distributed and possibly I had some other things grow/change (cartilage??)

so now that my face appears more adult and longer/oval.So I am just saying that perhaps there is also a facial shape that is more common due to other deficiency.My ASD kid has a large head, but my other child who has displayed ASD symptoms prior to the bio-med (and during)

has a normal/small head. My ASD kids is tall leaner (and bouncy!) girl - likely related to her autoimmune thyroiditis?But I do agree, it is kinda silly to say ASD kids have facial features that fall in some pattern.

We could probably say that about a bunch of other illness categories. Can you imagine if we said " schizophrenics look like this " and then started categorizing / diagnosing based on that? Ugh.Trying to find patterns where they don't need to be...

How about doing some blood tests and finding patterns there, research people?!!! :-)

 

This enrages me.  I have seen too many with autism that do not look

different.  Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also

have autism.  But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is

from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very

skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and

down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon

recovery in the children that I have seen.  So, no to physical

differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes,

larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this

is due to developing nutritional issues.  Low Vitamin D causes

larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the

autism population.  They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies,

and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is

inferred that their eyes or noses are different. 

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/news/2011/facial-features-provide-clue-to-autism-severity

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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I don't think it was meant to offend. The article didn't state WHY the measurements were different in ASD kids, so they're not denying that deficiencies and environmental assaults influence development of features. I'm not offended at all. All this study did was indicate that a larger study might validate initial findings. If it proves to be true, then good! It might be another clue and might help us to better understand. It's been my observation (atleast in the ASD children I've seen personally) that ASD kids tend to be on the more attractive end of "the scale".

Most often, we are able to ID an individual with Down's Syndrome without knowing they have a diagnosis. Why? Because they're facial features develop a particular way. I don't think this clinical observation is any different. Just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong...I dunno....

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:20 AMSubject: Re: Fwd: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity

This enrages me. I have seen too many with autism that do not look different. Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have autism. But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen. So, no to physical differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes, larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to developing nutritional issues. Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population. They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different. Love and

prayers,Heidi N> Subject: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity> > http://sfari. org/news- and-opinion/ news/2011/ facial-features- provide-clue- to-autism- severity

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Tammy:

Does your child look different? Just curious. In McCarthy's book where

she has pictures of all the kids, I don't see a difference. I can tell a Down

child immediately though. I am not offended by anyone's responses, and respect

all opinions. I am just angry because " they " keep looking down dead-end roads

when there is so much information available. Why aren't " they " coming to us

parents or docs that have been successful to get some clues. They just ignore

us like they don't want to hear what we have to say, even ridicule us, claiming

we are mistaken that our kids were really ill, and even claiming that autism is

a fad that people are jumping on the bandwagon to get their children diagnosed.

I am sick of them not looking at the gobs of information already discovered.

Recovering a child from autism or even getting an older child to speak, etc. is

a such a darn right miracle that should be plastered all over the news.

Instead, only us parents and docs doing the recovering actually believe it. So

many are suffering because parents won't even try due to believing the false

information. Instead of docs being held on pedestals for recovering kids, they

are ridiculed and fear they will lose their licenses for recommending herbs,

vitamins, and chelation. It's just so wrong. Results are what speaks, and with

so many results out there, it's darn-right very unethical for those in charge of

disseminating information to ignore it and ridicule it. And yes, I do believe

that there are many studies going on that steer people down dead-end roads,

wasting time and money and worse, prolonging the recovery of so many.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> I don't think it was meant to offend.  The article didn't state WHY the

measurements were different in ASD kids, so they're not denying that

deficiencies and environmental assaults influence development of features.  I'm

not offended at all.  All this study did was indicate that a larger study

might validate initial findings. If it proves to be true,  then good!  It

might be another clue and might help us to better understand.  It's been my

observation (atleast in the ASD children I've seen personally) that ASD kids

tend to be on the more attractive end of " the scale " .

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> Most often, we are able to ID an individual with Down's Syndrome without

knowing they have a diagnosis.  Why?  Because they're facial features develop

a particular way.  I don't think this clinical observation is any different. 

Just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong...I dunno....

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> -Tammy

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> This enrages me.  I have seen too many with autism that do not look

different.  Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have

autism.  But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune

dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do

walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to

side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen.  So, no

to physical differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes,

larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to

developing nutritional issues.  Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know

that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population.  They also may have

psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset

that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different. 

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> Love and prayers,

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> Heidi N

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You know what is weird... my dad's family all has this *look* to them. I cannot really explain it. It is almost Down Syndrome-y. No one that I know of in the family has ever been dx'd with DS but even if you looked at my son's baby pics, you'd have to wonder. We must have a wide eye set or low nose profile or something. We do seem to outgrow it LOL b/c I've got a big ol' nose now. LOL

I totally agree about the dead end roads...If there was an OPEN study that just said basicallyfor a reduced price of 2k,if you have a diagnosis,we will do your complete genome....Don't you think the biomed mommas (and daddies) would be beating down the doors?

Instead they want to waste money on computer facial mapping and silly hypothesis.I have probably paid 10k each kid this year in supp and therapies, doc visits, and that's prob less than many here... I should have just contacted one of those genome places myself but it just kills me to spend 5000 each kid (or more) for them to take the blood and put it into a computer and hit " start " LOL

We have so many " off " people in my extended family, I almost guarantee new found gene-ties if they took ten of us and ran those tests!

 

Tammy:

Does your child look different? Just curious. In McCarthy's book where she has pictures of all the kids, I don't see a difference. I can tell a Down child immediately though. I am not offended by anyone's responses, and respect all opinions. I am just angry because " they " keep looking down dead-end roads when there is so much information available. Why aren't " they " coming to us parents or docs that have been successful to get some clues. They just ignore us like they don't want to hear what we have to say, even ridicule us, claiming we are mistaken that our kids were really ill, and even claiming that autism is a fad that people are jumping on the bandwagon to get their children diagnosed. I am sick of them not looking at the gobs of information already discovered. Recovering a child from autism or even getting an older child to speak, etc. is a such a darn right miracle that should be plastered all over the news. Instead, only us parents and docs doing the recovering actually believe it. So many are suffering because parents won't even try due to believing the false information. Instead of docs being held on pedestals for recovering kids, they are ridiculed and fear they will lose their licenses for recommending herbs, vitamins, and chelation. It's just so wrong. Results are what speaks, and with so many results out there, it's darn-right very unethical for those in charge of disseminating information to ignore it and ridicule it. And yes, I do believe that there are many studies going on that steer people down dead-end roads, wasting time and money and worse, prolonging the recovery of so many.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> I don't think it was meant to offend.  The article didn't state WHY the measurements were different in ASD kids, so they're not denying that deficiencies and environmental assaults influence development of features.  I'm not offended at all.  All this study did was indicate that a larger study might validate initial findings. If it proves to be true,  then good!  It might be another clue and might help us to better understand.  It's been my observation (atleast in the ASD children I've seen personally) that ASD kids tend to be on the more attractive end of " the scale " .

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> Most often, we are able to ID an individual with Down's Syndrome without knowing they have a diagnosis.  Why?  Because they're facial features develop a particular way.  I don't think this clinical observation is any different.  Just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong...I dunno....

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> -Tammy

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> This enrages me.  I have seen too many with autism that do not look different.  Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have autism.  But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen.  So, no to physical differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes, larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to developing nutritional issues.  Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population.  They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different. 

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> Love and prayers,

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> Heidi N

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-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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You know, it really all depends on when they do these measurements now doesn't

it? I mean, do the BABIES before the brain swelling from vaccines have abnormal

faces? uh, probably not. Duh, stupid scientists. Also, check out a person before

a severe brain injury and after. Their faces begin to look different too and in

a short period of time. Wasted time and money. They'd LOVE to find some

predisposition to it all to get themselves out of the mess they've created.

Shame on them.

jenib

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There is no proof that genetic conditions believed to cause autism are not

common comorbidities from the same pathogen, rather than a causative. Remember,

genes are not static.

I have known of at least 1 child with fragile x to recover from ASD.

Caryn

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> This enrages me. I have seen too many with autism that do not look

different. Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have

autism. But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune

dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do

walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to

side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen. So, no

to physical differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes,

larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to

developing nutritional issues. Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know

that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population. They also may have

psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset

that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different.Â

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> Love and prayers,

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> Heidi N

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No. He doesn't look different. In fact, if his damn teeth weren't such a hot mess, he's a pretty good looking kid. There was something about him, though, as an infant, I would look and look at him and just couldn't put my finger on it. I'd ask the pedi all the time to "check his pallet" - he had no chin (which is typical for a baby) but there was something else....I just don't know. The summer before last, he went to a camp for ASD kids and I've gotta say, it was a stunning group of children. Call it coincidence, but as a whole, their looks were on the superior side. Go figure.

-Tammy

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Tammy:Does your child look different? Just curious. In McCarthy's book where she has pictures of all the kids, I don't see a difference. I can tell a Down child immediately though. I am not offended by anyone's responses, and respect all opinions. I am just angry because "they" keep looking down dead-end roads when there is so much information available. Why aren't "they" coming to us parents or docs that have been successful to get some clues. They just ignore us like they don't want to hear what we have to say, even ridicule us, claiming we are mistaken that our kids were really ill, and even claiming that autism is a fad that people are jumping on the bandwagon to get their children diagnosed. I am sick of them not looking at the gobs of information already discovered. Recovering a child from autism or even getting an older child to speak, etc. is a such a darn right miracle that should be plastered all over the news. Instead,

only us parents and docs doing the recovering actually believe it. So many are suffering because parents won't even try due to believing the false information. Instead of docs being held on pedestals for recovering kids, they are ridiculed and fear they will lose their licenses for recommending herbs, vitamins, and chelation. It's just so wrong. Results are what speaks, and with so many results out there, it's darn-right very unethical for those in charge of disseminating information to ignore it and ridicule it. And yes, I do believe that there are many studies going on that steer people down dead-end roads, wasting time and money and worse, prolonging the recovery of so many. Love and prayers,Heidi N>> I don't think it was

meant to offend. The article didn't state WHY the measurements were different in ASD kids, so they're not denying that deficiencies and environmental assaults influence development of features. I'm not offended at all.  All this study did was indicate that a larger study might validate initial findings. If it proves to be true,  then good! It might be another clue and might help us to better understand.  It's been my observation (atleast in the ASD children I've seen personally) that ASD kids tend to be on the more attractive end of "the scale".>  > Most often, we are able to ID an individual with Down's Syndrome without knowing they have a diagnosis. Why? Because they're facial features develop a particular way. I don't think this clinical observation is any different. Just my opinion and maybe I'm wrong...I

dunno....>  >  > -Tammy> > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 11:20 AM> Subject: Re: Fwd: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity> > >  > This enrages me. I have seen too many with autism that do not look different. Now, there are some who do have a genetic issue who also have autism. But for the autism epidemic we are seeing which is from immune dysfunction, the differences are that they are very skinny at times, and they do walk differently -- bouncing (up and down) instead of hip-swaying (side to side), which corrects upon recovery in the children that I have seen. So, no to physical

differences, except I can buy that they may have odd head shapes, larger than normal and some have more narrow foreheads, but all this is due to developing nutritional issues. Low Vitamin D causes larger heads, and we know that low Vitamin D is pervasive in the autism population. They also may have psoriasis, bloated bellies, and other health-related issues, but I am very upset that it is inferred that their eyes or noses are different. > > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > > Subject: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity> > > > http://sfari. org/news- and-opinion/ news/2011/ facial-features- provide-clue- to-autism- severity>

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I have to say, the article makes no sense to me.  Autism is more or less a bucket diagnosis of everything that involves developmental delay that modern medicine doesn't know how to diagnose and/or treat in children.  For a long time, Angelman's was called autism and is sometimes diagnosed as autism because of how it initially presents until they found a common genetic component to it and gave it its own label separate from autism.  Autism is a huge ball of tangled yarn -- of a bunch of variable diagnosis, and I don't think they can define it until they start untangling the different disorders that cause developmental delay of this nature.  Autism is NOT a single disorder, which is why it's such a huge, broad spectrum.

I looked at my children's faces and they don't fit the descriptions of this article, except for the fact that maybe they both have a little hypotonia in the face (and it's a little less oval shaped because I'm now investigating hypothyroid), probably due to them being non-verbal and not using their facial/oral muscles enough to build a substantial amount of tone. 

Why don't they study something that's actually going to help someone?  This " face of autism " thing is totally stupid.  They can't even medically define what autism is from a diagnostic standpoint and these twits go and try to stick a physical phenotype to it???  It operates under the (wrong) assumption that autism is a single disorder. 

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Well, they COULD just simplify it and call it "poisoning"...which pretty much sums it up.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 9:08 AMSubject: Re: Re: Fwd: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity

I have to say, the article makes no sense to me. Autism is more or less a bucket diagnosis of everything that involves developmental delay that modern medicine doesn't know how to diagnose and/or treat in children. For a long time, Angelman's was called autism and is sometimes diagnosed as autism because of how it initially presents until they found a common genetic component to it and gave it its own label separate from autism. Autism is a huge ball of tangled yarn -- of a bunch of variable diagnosis, and I don't think they can define it until they start untangling the different disorders that cause developmental delay of this nature. Autism is NOT a single disorder, which is why it's such a huge, broad spectrum.

I looked at my children's faces and they don't fit the descriptions of this article, except for the fact that maybe they both have a little hypotonia in the face (and it's a little less oval shaped because I'm now investigating hypothyroid), probably due to them being non-verbal and not using their facial/oral muscles enough to build a substantial amount of tone.

Why don't they study something that's actually going to help someone? This "face of autism" thing is totally stupid. They can't even medically define what autism is from a diagnostic standpoint and these twits go and try to stick a physical phenotype to it??? It operates under the (wrong) assumption that autism is a single disorder.

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Calcium and Vitamin D deficiency are a cause of crooked teeth.

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> No. He doesn't look different. In fact, if his damn teeth weren't such a hot

mess, he's a pretty good looking kid...

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Crooked isn't the word. He's got a gap the size of Texas between his front teeth. You'd think that would leave plenty of room for the adult eye teeth to come down....they've come in, but they've stayed way up high. awesome. I can't even stand the thought of doing braces with him...but there really isn't much choice in the matter. yay.-TammyTo: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:33 PMSubject: Re: Fwd: Emailing: Facial features provide clue to autism severity

Calcium and Vitamin D deficiency are a cause of crooked teeth.

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> No. He doesn't look different. In fact, if his damn teeth weren't such a hot mess, he's a pretty good looking kid...