Guest guest Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I finally watched the animated fairy-tale " Tangled " last night, and my own amateur " diagnosis " of " the old woman/the mother " is: psychopath. She had NO qualms about committing the criminal acts of stealing a child and keeping the child a prisoner (even in chains, at the end) for the purpose of using the child for her own benefit. She enjoyed messing with the child's head: telling the child outright lies ( " I'm your mother, and its too dangerous outside for you to leave the safety of the tower " ) and disguising insults as " just joking! " She was able to fake love and concern in a surface way, but only just barely, in order to manipulate the child's feelings and behaviors. Pretending to be Rapunzel's " mother " was just an act meant to keep total control of her " possession " , the magical hair. She had no problems engineering elaborate manipulations in order to destroy her " child's " chances of finding love and a life of her own outside " mother's " control. All the " mother's " malicious acts were quite deliberate and calculated and self-serving. And she had no problem stabbing a fellow human being to death, when it seemed he would undo her plans and " steal " her possession. So... I vote " psychopath " . No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. Its all about control, about total selfishness, and about winning. Psychopath. Narcissistic pd + criminality = antisocial pd, and psychopathy is a subset of antisocial pd: something that looks like a human being but has no human feelings and is actually a predator of human beings. -Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I LOVE that movie! Rapunzel is now my favorite Disney princess because she's kind of kick ass, and because although she is initially taken in by her " mother's " (read: Nada's) lies, she has the courage to leave the " safety " of the place she's comfortable in and find her true self. Love your analysis of Mother Gothel, Annie! Seems spot-on to me. Sent from my iPhone > I finally watched the animated fairy-tale " Tangled " last night, and my own amateur " diagnosis " of " the old woman/the mother " is: psychopath. > > She had NO qualms about committing the criminal acts of stealing a child and keeping the child a prisoner (even in chains, at the end) for the purpose of using the child for her own benefit. > > She enjoyed messing with the child's head: telling the child outright lies ( " I'm your mother, and its too dangerous outside for you to leave the safety of the tower " ) and disguising insults as " just joking! " > > She was able to fake love and concern in a surface way, but only just barely, in order to manipulate the child's feelings and behaviors. Pretending to be Rapunzel's " mother " was just an act meant to keep total control of her " possession " , the magical hair. > > She had no problems engineering elaborate manipulations in order to destroy her " child's " chances of finding love and a life of her own outside " mother's " control. All the " mother's " malicious acts were quite deliberate and calculated and self-serving. > > And she had no problem stabbing a fellow human being to death, when it seemed he would undo her plans and " steal " her possession. > > So... I vote " psychopath " . No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. Its all about control, about total selfishness, and about winning. Psychopath. Narcissistic pd + criminality = antisocial pd, and psychopathy is a subset of antisocial pd: something that looks like a human being but has no human feelings and is actually a predator of human beings. > > -Annie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Its interesting how so many fairy tales are about girls growing up to get away from a horrid mother figure. So BPD, NPD and antisocial personality disorders must actually be an archetypal story. That's interesting. i like that. > ** > > > I LOVE that movie! Rapunzel is now my favorite Disney princess because > she's kind of kick ass, and because although she is initially taken in by > her " mother's " (read: Nada's) lies, she has the courage to leave the > " safety " of the place she's comfortable in and find her true self. > > Love your analysis of Mother Gothel, Annie! Seems spot-on to me. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:59 PM, " anuria67854 " > wrote: > > > I finally watched the animated fairy-tale " Tangled " last night, and my > own amateur " diagnosis " of " the old woman/the mother " is: psychopath. > > > > She had NO qualms about committing the criminal acts of stealing a child > and keeping the child a prisoner (even in chains, at the end) for the > purpose of using the child for her own benefit. > > > > She enjoyed messing with the child's head: telling the child outright > lies ( " I'm your mother, and its too dangerous outside for you to leave the > safety of the tower " ) and disguising insults as " just joking! " > > > > She was able to fake love and concern in a surface way, but only just > barely, in order to manipulate the child's feelings and behaviors. > Pretending to be Rapunzel's " mother " was just an act meant to keep total > control of her " possession " , the magical hair. > > > > She had no problems engineering elaborate manipulations in order to > destroy her " child's " chances of finding love and a life of her own outside > " mother's " control. All the " mother's " malicious acts were quite deliberate > and calculated and self-serving. > > > > And she had no problem stabbing a fellow human being to death, when it > seemed he would undo her plans and " steal " her possession. > > > > So... I vote " psychopath " . No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. Its all > about control, about total selfishness, and about winning. Psychopath. > Narcissistic pd + criminality = antisocial pd, and psychopathy is a subset > of antisocial pd: something that looks like a human being but has no human > feelings and is actually a predator of human beings. > > > > -Annie > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I've been watching this with my kid (over and over) and agree- totally personality disorder/ psychopath. I came on here and searched for it as a thread to see if anyone else had posted about it, and yup- here it is, thank you Annie! Always nice to get the verification that other people see it too. Not that other people don't see that the witch is a bad character, but to see the parralells with real people, real mothers, that's the real scary part. On another angle, it's hard to watch this with my daughter, because i'm terrified of reliving the bad relationship, with me as the mom this time, and that she'll somehow learn from the movie to see me like this bad mother. I know rationally that i'm not a psychopath and therefore should stp worrying about it, but it does hit some buttons. And there were some real zingers in the movie, when the mother/witch made fun of the daughter and pretended to be kidding, that felt familiar. Also when she said " oh so I'm the bad guy " to try and manipulate the daughter, that was also familiar. I have to wonder if the writers should be invited to join this group:-) Terri > > I finally watched the animated fairy-tale " Tangled " last night, and my own amateur " diagnosis " of " the old woman/the mother " is: psychopath. > > She had NO qualms about committing the criminal acts of stealing a child and keeping the child a prisoner (even in chains, at the end) for the purpose of using the child for her own benefit. > > She enjoyed messing with the child's head: telling the child outright lies ( " I'm your mother, and its too dangerous outside for you to leave the safety of the tower " ) and disguising insults as " just joking! " > > She was able to fake love and concern in a surface way, but only just barely, in order to manipulate the child's feelings and behaviors. Pretending to be Rapunzel's " mother " was just an act meant to keep total control of her " possession " , the magical hair. > > She had no problems engineering elaborate manipulations in order to destroy her " child's " chances of finding love and a life of her own outside " mother's " control. All the " mother's " malicious acts were quite deliberate and calculated and self-serving. > > And she had no problem stabbing a fellow human being to death, when it seemed he would undo her plans and " steal " her possession. > > So... I vote " psychopath " . No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. Its all about control, about total selfishness, and about winning. Psychopath. Narcissistic pd + criminality = antisocial pd, and psychopathy is a subset of antisocial pd: something that looks like a human being but has no human feelings and is actually a predator of human beings. > > -Annie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I'm willing to bet that at least one of the writers of " Tangled " had a Cluster B pd mother, or close personal contact with a Cluster B or with a psychopathic individual to nail all those behaviors so accurately. And, I don't think you have anything to worry about in the mom department; the mere fact that you've watched this film with your little girl over and over means you care about her enough to spend this time with her doing things that she likes. That's something my nada could not make herself do: watch a film with me just because I liked it. She'd quickly become bored and say so loudly (denigrating my taste at the same time) and leave the theater to go smoke or shop or something and then pick me up after it was over. I've tried sharing dvds with her that I love, and it was pretty much a bust each time. She'd become so bored she'd lose track of the story and characters and then barrage me with questions like " What does that mean? " " Where are they now? " , and " Who's that? " continuously. So, I gave up even trying to share anything I liked with her. So, you get a gold star in my book for being willing to share an activity that your child loves, with her. -Annie > > > > I finally watched the animated fairy-tale " Tangled " last night, and my own amateur " diagnosis " of " the old woman/the mother " is: psychopath. > > > > She had NO qualms about committing the criminal acts of stealing a child and keeping the child a prisoner (even in chains, at the end) for the purpose of using the child for her own benefit. > > > > She enjoyed messing with the child's head: telling the child outright lies ( " I'm your mother, and its too dangerous outside for you to leave the safety of the tower " ) and disguising insults as " just joking! " > > > > She was able to fake love and concern in a surface way, but only just barely, in order to manipulate the child's feelings and behaviors. Pretending to be Rapunzel's " mother " was just an act meant to keep total control of her " possession " , the magical hair. > > > > She had no problems engineering elaborate manipulations in order to destroy her " child's " chances of finding love and a life of her own outside " mother's " control. All the " mother's " malicious acts were quite deliberate and calculated and self-serving. > > > > And she had no problem stabbing a fellow human being to death, when it seemed he would undo her plans and " steal " her possession. > > > > So... I vote " psychopath " . No conscience, no remorse, no empathy. Its all about control, about total selfishness, and about winning. Psychopath. Narcissistic pd + criminality = antisocial pd, and psychopathy is a subset of antisocial pd: something that looks like a human being but has no human feelings and is actually a predator of human beings. > > > > -Annie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I've seen this one and even saw part of it again just today and I agree, course it was just nothing compared to how intricate cluster B fable of " Coraline " LOVED this movie. WOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Yes, both of these films are quite " Cluster B " -ish. Coraline's " Other Mother " demands that Coraline's eyes be replaced with buttons (so she can't see the truth) the totally dishrag dad, and finally " Other Mother " actually morphing from looking mostly human into a spider-monster who kills and eats children... pretty heavy stuff. But, I suppose, not any " heavier " than Snow White's step-mother who actually orders SW's murder, or Maleficent in " Sleeping Beauty " who curses the infant princess Aurora to an early death. These " Medean " -type mother figures who destroy/devour children are certainly an enduring archetype. -Annie > > I've seen this one and even saw part of it again just today and I agree, course it was just nothing compared to how intricate cluster B fable of " Coraline " LOVED this movie. WOW. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I just wanted to add, that it sort of bugs me that in these movies the daughter of the evil cluster B are always just FINE. No issues whatsoever. How does Rapunzel leave that tower with bravery, and kindness, and social skills to boot? Where is her PTSD and Fleas and anxiety and depression? Ok there's a scene where she's stressed about not pissing her 'mother' off. But otherwise she's an emotional supergirl. sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Although I really appreciated that scene in which she's going back and forth with feeling like a terrible person because she left. > > I just wanted to add, that it sort of bugs me that in these movies the daughter of the evil cluster B are always just FINE. No issues whatsoever. How does Rapunzel leave that tower with bravery, and kindness, and social skills to boot? Where is her PTSD and Fleas and anxiety and depression? Ok there's a scene where she's stressed about not pissing her 'mother' off. But otherwise she's an emotional supergirl. > > sigh. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 yeah - that was a good scene, very true. And funny. And the way the guy summed it up was funny too. Still....she coulda had a few fleas.... > > > > I just wanted to add, that it sort of bugs me that in these movies the daughter of the evil cluster B are always just FINE. No issues whatsoever. How does Rapunzel leave that tower with bravery, and kindness, and social skills to boot? Where is her PTSD and Fleas and anxiety and depression? Ok there's a scene where she's stressed about not pissing her 'mother' off. But otherwise she's an emotional supergirl. > > > > sigh. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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