Re: iron deficiency and autism

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is,I'm almost positive I remember reading/hearing Dr. Klinghardt discuss iron deficiencies.Give it a google. I want to say it was a youtube video, but can't be positive.Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: iron deficiency and autism

Hi everyone,

My friend has an 18 month old boy who is possibly on the spectrum but the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other workup is going on as well.

Thanks

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http://kirkmanlabs.com/ProductKirkman/122/1/Product%20Details/ I used this for my boys. Casandra To: mb12valtrex From: t.lynn28@...Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:15:23 -0700Subject: Re: iron deficiency and autism

is,I'm almost positive I remember reading/hearing Dr. Klinghardt discuss iron deficiencies.Give it a google. I want to say it was a youtube video, but can't be positive.Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: iron deficiency and autism

Hi everyone,

My friend has an 18 month old boy who is possibly on the spectrum but the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other workup is going on as well.

Thanks

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Thanks Casandra. Can you please share the dose? His son weighs 14 kg and

according to literature, dose should be 3-6 mg/kg. Kirkman one contains 18 mg/5

ml. So did you give it multiple times a day? Thanks for your help.

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doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to

figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early

intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we

are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can

cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some

supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement

lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has

already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have

already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other

workup is going on as well.

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Thx Tammy. I will google it. Will share if I learn something.

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> My friend has an 18 month old boy who is possibly on the spectrum but the

doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to

figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early

intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we

are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can

cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some

supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement

lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has

already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have

already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other

workup is going on as well.

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I know I 've come across a few things such as the possibility of low ferretin levels being due to candida, parasites, and/or copper toxicity. Mercury, as well. But I could swear I remember a presentation by Klinghardt where he expressed his concern about doctors supplemention iron for low ferretin - when it's due to a completely different reason (copper???). I can't find it and this stupid thing is acting up.

Tammy

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Our son takes 65 mg liquid elemental ferrous sulfate (Rx) daily with vitamin C & 5 mg ferritin. He is 11 y o - almost 70 lbs Parent should reduce oxalates in child's diet because they tend to box out sulphate in the electron transport chain and they bind so tightly to iron that it is not utilized properly. This is according to Owens, oxalate researcher. I am going to cc her in case I butchered the concept.Thanks, Sent from my iPhone

Hi everyone,

My friend has an 18 month old boy who is possibly on the spectrum but the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other workup is going on as well.

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I remember reading this as well. I'll look and see if I saved the article.

I know I 've come across a few things such as the possibility of low ferretin levels being due to candida, parasites, and/or copper toxicity. Mercury, as well. But I could swear I remember a presentation by Klinghardt where he expressed his concern about doctors supplemention iron for low ferretin - when it's due to a completely different reason (copper???). I can't find it and this stupid thing is acting up.

Tammy

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I see it often. You can use Kirkman Liquid Iron.

http://kirkmanlabs.com/ProductKirkman/122/1/IronLiquid-Bio-MaxSeries/

A. Gruttadauria, DC, DACANDefeat Autism Now! Clinician Diplomate of the American Chiropractic Academy of Neurology1085 Park Ave, Suite 1ENew York, NY 10128www.NYCFutureDocs.com

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My kids get 2 tsp. a day with vit c to help absorption. I just give what the Dr. Rx as per the blood work. We've been supplementing for years and they are still low. They are about 60lbs each. Casandra > To: mb12valtrex > Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 01:34:51 +0000> Subject: Re: iron deficiency and autism> > Thanks Casandra. Can you please share the dose? His son weighs 14 kg and according to literature, dose should be 3-6 mg/kg. Kirkman one contains 18 mg/5 ml. So did you give it multiple times a day? Thanks for your help.> > is> > > >> > > > http://kirkmanlabs.com/ProductKirkman/122/1/Product%20Details/ I used this for my boys. Casandra> > To: mb12valtrex > > > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:15:23 -0700> > Subject: Re: iron deficiency and autism> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is,> > I'm almost positive I remember reading/hearing Dr. Klinghardt discuss iron deficiencies.Give it a google. I want to say it was a youtube video, but can't be positive.> > Tammy> > > > To: mb12valtrex > > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:08 PM> > Subject: iron deficiency and autism> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone,> > > > > > > > My friend has an 18 month old boy who is possibly on the spectrum but the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other workup is going on as well. > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > is> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> >

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low vit K can effect this well as vit D

From: Tammy

Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 1:21 AM

To: mb12valtrex

Subject: Re: Re: iron deficiency and autism

I know I 've come across a few things such as the possibility of low ferretin levels being due to candida, parasites, and/or copper toxicity. Mercury, as well. But I could swear I remember a presentation by Klinghardt where he expressed his concern about doctors supplemention iron for low ferretin - when it's due to a completely different reason (copper???). I can't find it and this stupid thing is acting up.

Tammy

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Thank you! Because I'm beginning to feel like I've lost my mind!

-Tammy

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Thanks Cassandra! My friend is extremely anxious these days as this is all very

new for him and he is not even sure if his son is on the spectrum or not. I am

on the phone with him almost for 2 hours every day explaining everything but as

we all know that it takes time to grasp the whole biomed concept. He ordered the

kirkman iron already and will be starting soon.

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doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my friend to

figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the early

intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues that we

are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron deficiency can

cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking at some

supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism supplement

lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if anyone has

already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please share. We have

already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for the kid and other

workup is going on as well.

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Tammy,

My google search led me to this:

http://drlwilson.com/Articles/IRON.htm

My friend is very anxious and still thinks like a mainstream physician. He

started prescription ferrous sulfate two days ago and after reading the above

article, I told him to hold off on it and replace zinc first as his son's

zinc/copper ratio is low. He already ordered kirkman iron and insists that he

should at least give the RDA of iron with zinc. I agree with the fact that this

could mean copper excess leading to iron deficiency and low ferritin. I have

always had my son on zinc since the beginning and his ratio is good. Even though

my son looks pale, his iron stores are good and Hb and MCV are good too. My

son's whole system is so messed up but probably because we fixed the zinc/copper

ratio, iron never became an issue. So please, don't lose your mind as what you

brought up on the subject was very helpful and made me brainstorm even more but

I learned something so useful.

Thanks

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levels being due to candida, parasites, and/or copper toxicity. Mercury, as

well. But I could swear I remember a presentation by Klinghardt where he

expressed his concern about doctors supplemention iron for low ferretin - when

it's due to a completely different reason (copper???). I can't find it and this

stupid thing is acting up.

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is,

Iron is very disrupted by oxalate. The first reason this is so is due to

oxalate chelating iron. Also it interferes with utilization of iron because it

inserts itself in transferrin and binds iron so well that the iron cannnot be

released later.

Why don't you see if he would be willing to have his son's general chemistry

measured (along with oxalate markers) on the Great Plains OAT?

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the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my

friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the

early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues

that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron

deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking

at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism

supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if

anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please

share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for

the kid and other workup is going on as well.

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Yes, we r running an OAT also. Will review his diet again but he is not

consuming high oxalate diet.

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the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my

friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the

early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues

that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron

deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking

at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism

supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if

anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please

share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for

the kid and other workup is going on as well.

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Our son self selects away from high oxalate foods but showed high oxalates on his first OAT. His ferritin is low but serum iron, TIBC are normal. We supplemented with B6 and now the oxalates are normal ( per second OAT) We test again for ferritin-iron in a few months so I'll be interested to see. Sent from my iPhone

Yes, we r running an OAT also. Will review his diet again but he is not consuming high oxalate diet.

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How do you suppplement B6 ? I had my son on P5P with magnesium and then I

learned about phenol sensitivity and that P5P makes it worse by competing with

phenols for the enzyme which is already low in these kids. So I stopped P5P. Now

he gets some pyridoxine with p5p in his multivitamin. Also, was your child on

low phenol along with low oxalate? I don't know what fruits to feed him as

apple, orange, grapes are out because of phenols, banana needs to be limited

because of amines and pears are high oxalate. My son is extremely sensitive to

phenols, not so sure about oxalates but he is already not getting much oxalates.

And also, what marker was elevated in his OAT to indicate oxalate issue? I will

appreciate your help.

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but the doctors are not sure what to call it yet as it is mild. I am trying my

friend to figure out what we can do for the child while we are waiting for the

early intervention and formal diagnosis. Baseline workup has shown some issues

that we are trying to fix. One issue is low MCV and low iron stores. Iron

deficiency can cause cognitive impairment and attention deficit. We were looking

at some supplement for iron but I couldn't find a specific one in the autism

supplement lines. We are thinking of getting ferrous sulfate compounded but if

anyone has already dealt with iron deficiency and have other ideas, please

share. We have already removed cow's milk and we are working on GFCF diet for

the kid and other workup is going on as well.

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is,Our son doesn't react to phenols but still is nuts ( angry) on. P5P. I was dosing 200 mg of straight B 6 daily - worked up after our first OAT was reviewed by Owens. This he seems to tolerate well. I use the solaray brand or the solgar brand.Sent from my iPhone

How do you suppplement B6 ? I had my son on P5P with magnesium and then I learned about phenol sensitivity and that P5P makes it worse by competing with phenols for the enzyme which is already low in these kids. So I stopped P5P. Now he gets some pyridoxine with p5p in his multivitamin. Also, was your child on low phenol along with low oxalate? I don't know what fruits to feed him as apple, orange, grapes are out because of phenols, banana needs to be limited because of amines and pears are high oxalate. My son is extremely sensitive to phenols, not so sure about oxalates but he is already not getting much oxalates. And also, what marker was elevated in his OAT to indicate oxalate issue? I will appreciate your help.

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Sorry, did not finish- send your OAT to - the oxalate researcher who recently replied to you. She will convert results based upon creatinine ratio and put you results in comparison to other kids with autism. Talking to her was one of the best things I've done. ( Toni & Alberta chime in if you're around) She does this for many, many tolks. She doesn't accept payment but will accept donations to her research if you are so inclined. Email is Lwo@...Sent from my iPhone

How do you suppplement B6 ? I had my son on P5P with magnesium and then I learned about phenol sensitivity and that P5P makes it worse by competing with phenols for the enzyme which is already low in these kids. So I stopped P5P. Now he gets some pyridoxine with p5p in his multivitamin. Also, was your child on low phenol along with low oxalate? I don't know what fruits to feed him as apple, orange, grapes are out because of phenols, banana needs to be limited because of amines and pears are high oxalate. My son is extremely sensitive to phenols, not so sure about oxalates but he is already not getting much oxalates. And also, what marker was elevated in his OAT to indicate oxalate issue? I will appreciate your help.

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> > > > > > http://kirkmanlabs.com/ProductKirkman/122/1/Product%20Details/ I used this for my boys. Casandra

> > > > > > To: mb12valtrex

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is, I've also been trying for the last few months to achieve a balance between low salicylate and low oxalate diet without success. Originally our doc suggested that my son goes on low salicylate diet because he didn't do well on GAPS, so he thought this was be due to sensitivities to phenols/salicylates. Many of my son's symptoms got better but he continued to battle PANS?, recurring bacterial infections, so other symptoms like movement issues, OCD, anxiety etc kept on persisting. I didn't think much about oxalates because at the time I thought that he wasn't eating to many high oxalate foods. I had his OAT done through Metametrix so I had no idea about the oxalate markers until couple of months ago I got one done with Great Plains. Under oxalate metabolites he had high glyceric acid and high oxalic acid (his was 21 and 499, I'm assuming this is pretty high considering the reference range). My son's doc, although biomed is very old fashioned, questioned validity of the test. Finally, last week he ordered 24 hour oxalates test through regular local lab and it came back high in oxalates as well. On further though, I'm not sure if this is just due to the diet. My son has been on continues round of antibiotics lately and I wonder if that is contributing to the oxalate issue. The other thing is, he was on transdermal LDN for a while but started to get rashes from that, so I called the compounding pharmacy and they told me that one of the "vehicle" ingredients in the cream is polyethylene glycol. GPL explain on the test that ethylene glycol poisoning can cause elevated oxalates (I know polyethylene is not the same as ethylene but maybe?). Anyway, I'm not sure how to balance this two diets myself, but I think that in my son's case dealing with oxalates first means compromising on some salicylate foods. With fruit for example, mango? Low oxalate, medium salicylate? I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, especially since so often your posts describe the same issues my son is going through at the time.JoannaSent from my iPhone

is,Our son doesn't react to phenols but still is nuts ( angry) on. P5P. I was dosing 200 mg of straight B 6 daily - worked up after our first OAT was reviewed by Owens. This he seems to tolerate well. I use the solaray brand or the solgar brand.Sent from my iPhone

How do you suppplement B6 ? I had my son on P5P with magnesium and then I learned about phenol sensitivity and that P5P makes it worse by competing with phenols for the enzyme which is already low in these kids. So I stopped P5P. Now he gets some pyridoxine with p5p in his multivitamin. Also, was your child on low phenol along with low oxalate? I don't know what fruits to feed him as apple, orange, grapes are out because of phenols, banana needs to be limited because of amines and pears are high oxalate. My son is extremely sensitive to phenols, not so sure about oxalates but he is already not getting much oxalates. And also, what marker was elevated in his OAT to indicate oxalate issue? I will appreciate your help.

Thanks

is

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> > > > > > http://kirkmanlabs.com/ProductKirkman/122/1/Product%20Details/ I used this for my boys. Casandra

> > > > > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > > > From: t.lynn28@

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> > > > > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

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