Sudden onset of aggression

November 1, 2011

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

I wonder if he's just experimenting with people's reactions? Like "if I do this, what will happen? How will this person act?' It might also be his way of communicating if his language is limited. If he's looking in the mirror alot, he might be recognizing how similar he is to other people and curious to know how he looks when he smiles like they do. Stuff like that. Send him to your MIL until it passes. ah haha.To: m12valtrex

<mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:20 PMSubject: Sudden onset of aggression

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

If this continues or you see other behaviors like him touching himself....you may want to have his testosterone and androgens checked....

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

If this continues or you see other behaviors like him touching himself....you may want to have his testosterone and androgens checked....

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

Clostridia too....it causes aggression in my house.To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 9:32 PMSubject: Re: Sudden onset of aggression

If this continues or you see other behaviors like him touching himself....you may want to have his testosterone and androgens checked....

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things?

Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to

be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far.

Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 1, 2011

Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg.

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things?

Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to

be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far.

Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 1, 2011

I knew he was on milk, I didn't know you re-introduced gluten??Me needs magnesium, IMO. Do you trust Natural Calm?

Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg.

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things?

Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to

be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far.

Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 1, 2011

Dr. Boch touches on it in his book. There's a very good possibility that Ethan's doing this an attempt to communicate. What you just reported about him not wanting to leave his father's side, made me think. In Boch's book, he discusses a recovered boy who later explained to Dr. Boch that during the days of his illness he sincerely was communicating when he would hit and during those days what he wanted most was the comfort of his mother. It's just a thought. Otherwise, it could be the typical suspects: clostridia/yeast/parasite. Three year olds touch themselves. 30 year olds touch themselves ; ) But if it continues, Kasey's right, it couldn't hurt to have those checked out. To: m12valtrex <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:20 PMSubject: Sudden onset of aggression

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

Have you thought about PANDAS?

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> >> Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought

> >> that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been

> >> telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3

> >> years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

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> > Toni

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> > ------

> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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November 1, 2011

I don't think I would use touching themselves as any kind of indicator for anything. Once boys discover their penis, they don't ever stop touching it. 3 yo boys touch it. 2 yo boys touch it. 4 yo boys touch it. 40 year old boys touch it. It is what it is.Touching themselves is completely normal behavior for both girls and boys.

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Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

If this continues or you see other behaviors like him touching himself....you may want to have his testosterone and androgens checked....

Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious behavior issues with him.

He's becoming the bully at his daycare. Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home. To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there are consequences to that type of behavior).

The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying to get with aggressive behavior. The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming smiles in front of the mirror.

I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

November 1, 2011

Yeah, just re-introduced gluten and he did have a meltdown initially, but it had started before I re-introduced the gluten. It was actually Maia who had " discovered " that he did better on gluten. I was doing something in the basement and she took down one of the bagels from the top of the fridge and gave him one. The next day, his verbalizations got better, he became a lot more vocal, and his stools were more firm than they had been in a year. He needs something in gluten -- maybe the B's?

I knew he was on milk, I didn't know you re-introduced gluten??Me needs magnesium, IMO. Do you trust Natural Calm?

Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg.

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things?

Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to

be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far.

Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 2, 2011

I wouldn't be messing with gluten right now. :-)I might re-introduce gluten once my kids aren't needing 15 pills to make it to school. :-)Maybe just find a multi vitamin for him, with a good amt of Bs, even a gummy one. Gosh they make gummy everything.

There's a pop-rock multivitamin too. :-)

Yeah, just re-introduced gluten and he did have a meltdown initially, but it had started before I re-introduced the gluten. It was actually Maia who had " discovered " that he did better on gluten. I was doing something in the basement and she took down one of the bagels from the top of the fridge and gave him one. The next day, his verbalizations got better, he became a lot more vocal, and his stools were more firm than they had been in a year. He needs something in gluten -- maybe the B's?

I knew he was on milk, I didn't know you re-introduced gluten??Me needs magnesium, IMO. Do you trust Natural Calm?

Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg.

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things?

Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to

be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far.

Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 2, 2011

That flu might have messed up his serotonin levels, probably via

increased inflammation- cytokines. I would try anti-inflammatories asap,

even something as straight forward as ibuprofen to start with. There is

otc med called Coricidin Cough and Cold that might be worth trying imo.

(don't get any other Coricidin ones, if you do stick to C & C)

In our house aggression is almost always allergy and/or adrenaline

related. I find antihistamines help a lot, also propranolol (calms

adrenaline). btw Coricidin C & C contains an antihistamine. Again both

histamine and adrenaline fluctuations could have been triggered off by

flu in your case.

Natasa

>

> Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he

doesn't

> have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation

problems

> when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some

serious

> behavior issues with him.

>

> He's becoming the bully at his daycare.

>

> Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after

whomever is

> trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with

the

> flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was

never

> actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids

twice

> his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

>

> But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found

out

> that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed

other

> kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was

> sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's

> learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at

home.

> To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay .

He

> did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger

than

> him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight

like I

> wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying

to

> discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that

there

> are consequences to that type of behavior).

>

> The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the

> strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's

trying

> to get with aggressive behavior.

>

> The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring

> himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was

being

> such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his

charming

> smiles in front of the mirror.

>

> I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing.

He's

> mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was

doing

> the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

>

November 2, 2011

PANDAS? separation anxiety and aggression are symptoms. Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg. My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things? Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate buthe cannot think straight he gets pushed too far. Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too? Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression... -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 2, 2011

I am curious what the active ingredient is in the Coricidin.I bought

some ChlorTrimeton its active ingredient is chlorpheniramine maleate

4mg..Is mine the same? Some one sent a study talking a bit about

using this as an antidepressant. Thanks, Tammy F.

That flu might have messed up his serotonin levels,

probably via

increased inflammation- cytokines. I would try

anti-inflammatories asap,

even something as straight forward as ibuprofen to start

with. There is

otc med called Coricidin Cough and Cold that might be

worth trying imo.

(don't get any other Coricidin ones, if you do stick to

C & C)

In our house aggression is almost always allergy and/or

adrenaline

related. I find antihistamines help a lot, also

propranolol (calms

adrenaline). btw Coricidin C & C contains an

antihistamine. Again both

histamine and adrenaline fluctuations could have been

triggered off by

flu in your case.

Natasa

>

> Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son.

He's 3 and he

doesn't

> have functional language, although he doesn't have

articulation

problems

> when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm

seeing some

serious

> behavior issues with him.

>

like I

>

November 2, 2011

yes, that + 30mg dxm, which is a glutamate blocker http://www.coricidinhbp.com/CoughAndCold/Default.htm

> > >> > > Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he> > doesn't> > > have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation> > problems> > > when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some> > serious> > > behavior issues with him.> > >> > like I> > >> >> >>

November 2, 2011

I had initially considered PANDAS but my gut keeps telling me adrenal fatigue and/or serotonin are at play here. Maia also had an issue with separation anxiety with low serotonin and when I started giving 5-HTP for serotonin production, her separation anxiety came to a halt.

I'm going to try the anti-inflammatory. Is the coricidin ok for kids? But I'm also seeing a few things with him that strike me as adrenal fatigue -- which I believe can happen when he's sick, too?

PANDAS? separation anxiety and aggression are symptoms.

Not yet, Toni. Ethan is SO hard to get supps into. Really really sensitive to any kind of tastes. Even the chocolate milk trick doesn't work on him. Oh, another symptom: his poops are firming up with eating gluten, but that may be associated with breads having B's, but the aggression was ramping up before he had gluten. And he's gotten really really clingy to his dad. His dad can't even go take a piss without Ethan clinging onto his leg.

My son is touching himself more with the b12 I've been giving. So, is it histamine, yeast growth, senses waking up? Is it oxalate dumping??

LOLAre you trying taurine, magnesium or magnesium taurate with him? Or any anti-anxiety things? Alek was first an eloper, then became and aggressor. Everything with Alek *to me* has been based on anxiety.

Even when he's pissed off at me and manages to verbalize it, it comes out like he's worried he's never going to be able to do XYZ thing ever or worried I don't love him or some shit.Uh, anyway... what have you tried? My son cognitively KNEW way early that these behaviors were not appropriate but

he cannot think straight he gets pushed too far. Are you doing B6 and magnesium with him too?

Hmmm....that's interesting...he has been touching himself but I thought that was because 3 y.o. boys tend to do that (b/c my friends have been telling me that their boys did or had done that when they were at about 2-3 years)...I wonder if this is related to the aggression...

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 2, 2011

I don't understand about glutimate blockers.Is that a good thing to

have happen in this process? Thank You,Tammy F.

yes, that + 30mg dxm, which is a glutamate blocker http://www.coricidinhbp.com/CoughAndCold/Default.htm

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> > > Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with

my son. He's 3 and he

> > doesn't

> > > have functional language, although he

doesn't have articulation

> > problems

> > > when he does use his single words. But

lately, I'm seeing some

> > serious

> > > behavior issues with him.

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> > like I

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November 2, 2011

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he

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> > > > > have functional language, although he doesn't have

articulation

> > > > problems

> > > > > when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some

> > > > serious

> > > > > behavior issues with him.

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> > > > like I

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November 2, 2011

Alberta,My son had this issue and 5-htp is helping significantly. You have it on hand, see if you can get it in him before going down the rabbit hole here.

I had initially considered PANDAS but my gut keeps telling me adrenal fatigue and/or serotonin are at play here. Maia also had an issue with separation anxiety with low serotonin and when I started giving 5-HTP for serotonin production, her separation anxiety came to a halt.

I'm going to try the anti-inflammatory. Is the coricidin ok for kids? But I'm also seeing a few things with him that strike me as adrenal fatigue -- which I believe can happen when he's sick, too?

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

November 2, 2011

Everyone has had wonderful advice and I am sorry if I repeat anything that was

previously offered. In our experience, liver toxicity brings anger and

aggression. In Chinese medicine, the liver is the seat of anger. So we support

any aggression with milk thistle. The liver processes all toxins in the body,

whether from the effects of viruses, parasites, allergens, or ingested food. So

it is always a good idea to support the liver. This also means drinking a lot of

fluids. Electrolyte powders added to water can really help. In our family, when

someone gets dehydrated or has a liver issue going on, we can smell a very musky

smell in their underarms. In an adult you also will see 'liver spots' darken up.

Also, whenever we try any milk (including goat/sheep), or gluten, we get

aggression. I believe this is from the addictive cycle of the undigested

peptides getting to the brain but may also have something to do with the

histamine response to these since we have personally have developed an immune

response. Or it might be from some process we have yet to understand in our

household!

Natural food chelators (cilantro, kale, greens) also bring aggression in our

family unless we also support the chelating with binders like chlorella,

microsillica, and sometimes bentonite clay (baths or as a supplement).

Salicylate/phenol foods and products also bring aggression for us. I believe it

is because salicylates aggravate parasites which then release compounds which

affect the brain or put added strain on the liver.

Again, hope I have not repeated anything!

When all else fails we also have significant success 'managing' aggressiong

using Hyland's Nerve Tonic once an hour.

Good luck!

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> >

> > I had initially considered PANDAS but my gut keeps telling me adrenal

> > fatigue and/or serotonin are at play here. Maia also had an issue with

> > separation anxiety with low serotonin and when I started giving 5-HTP for

> > serotonin production, her separation anxiety came to a halt.

> >

> > I'm going to try the anti-inflammatory. Is the coricidin ok for kids?

> >

> > But I'm also seeing a few things with him that strike me as adrenal

> > fatigue -- which I believe can happen when he's sick, too?

> >

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

November 2, 2011

OK...I came across a workable theory last night. I think this onset is the same as something similar I saw last year (when he started biting Maia in the dead of winter last year) -- I think low Vit D is at play here, too.

Just learned that Vit D is needed to make tyrosine hydroxylase, which is then used to make dopamine. He was outside a lot and he's been craving to go outside constantly -- except its pretty cold now and when he desperately wants to go outside, I let him out the back into the yard with his coat on and he's not happy. He goes to the front door, where he wants to go out the front. He still has his coat on, we go outside and he's not happy. In the summer, he can go out with his shorts on and feel better. Now the surface area that's being exposed to sunlight is really low because he has to have a coat and thick pants on.

Perhaps he's needing sunlight and associates that with feeling " balanced " because the sunlight gives him Vit D in the summer and makes him feel better. He knows that being outside in the summer made him feel better.

He's been having major meltdowns about wanting to go out for a walk and when we do, he's not happy. I'll bet dimes to donuts he's seeking Vit D. He won't take his EFAs either. If he just would, life would be easier, but it's never easy with this kid. I'm going to start him on a little Vit D tomorrow, too.

November 2, 2011

Hi Alberta,

It is possible that he needs more vitamin D but it could also be related to

carnitine. My son's muscle strength improved after carnitine but he was getting

a lot of tantrums and was getting a little aggressive. I checked his

testosterone levels which were elevated. He was on 60 mg of zinc and zinc

elevates testosterone and carnitine potentiates the actions of testosterone. Is

your son taking any zinc? If not, consider stopping carnitine and observe. Also

if his symptoms mainly worsen when it is cloudy, it could be mold also.

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> Man, I'm dealing with this bad thing with my son. He's 3 and he doesn't

> have functional language, although he doesn't have articulation problems

> when he does use his single words. But lately, I'm seeing some serious

> behavior issues with him.

>

> He's becoming the bully at his daycare.

>

> Now, he's never been one to be picked on because he'll go after whomever is

> trying to pick on him. But in the last few weeks, he's been sick with the

> flu and he's developed this habit of picking on other kids. He was never

> actively aggressive, although he would fight tooth and nail with kids twice

> his size for what's his or if he thinks he's been wronged.

>

> But yesterday, when my husband picked him up from daycare, we found out

> that he'd been picking fights ALL DAY with other kids. He pushed other

> kids. During nap time, he went up to this other little girl (who was

> sleeping) and clawed her one in the face!!! I don't know where he's

> learning this. I don't use ANY physical aggression as discipline at home.

> To discourage behaviors, I withhold preferred items or ignore or pay . He

> did have a short period of aggression against his sister (who's bigger than

> him but she's so docile and smart and really doesn't put up a fight like I

> wish she would -- sometimes he does pick on her and I've been trying to

> discourage it but really, I wish she'd clock him one so he knows that there

> are consequences to that type of behavior).

>

> The tantrums have been ramping up and we've been implementing the

> strategies to ignore the behavior and to not give him whatever he's trying

> to get with aggressive behavior.

>

> The other thing that's new that's been happening is that he's admiring

> himself in the mirror all the time. You'd never know that he was being

> such a bully outside the home. He stands there and practices his charming

> smiles in front of the mirror.

>

> I'm finding a lot of things about his behavior kind of disturbing. He's

> mainly just getting carnitine supplementation right now and it was doing

> the trick for a while but I'm wondering if I should be doing more.

>

November 3, 2011

That's interesting about the carnitine, I hadn't heard that about carnitine and he'd been on it for several months and did well on it. Does carnitine deplete anything that I should be replenishing. He's not on any zinc. His supps are at a minimum because it's really hard getting supps in him. He's really sensitive to tastes and has a hair-trigger gag/barfy reflex. I can only give him one or maybe two supps at a time.

Hi Alberta,

It is possible that he needs more vitamin D but it could also be related to carnitine. My son's muscle strength improved after carnitine but he was getting a lot of tantrums and was getting a little aggressive. I checked his testosterone levels which were elevated. He was on 60 mg of zinc and zinc elevates testosterone and carnitine potentiates the actions of testosterone. Is your son taking any zinc? If not, consider stopping carnitine and observe. Also if his symptoms mainly worsen when it is cloudy, it could be mold also.