Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still wouldn’t do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn’t you get more bang for your buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune systems then there isn’t an issue of toxins. The body does what it was supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn’t harmless. I love you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child.Best,Marcia Re: Infrared Saunas sound too good to be true. It's not that easy t Posted by: " cheryl biomed.mom " cheryl.biomed.mom@... cheryl_biomed_mom Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:57 am (PDT) I have to disagree (sorry Marcia, you know I love you!).Part of what makes the sauna effective is that we sweat out the toxins. That's why saunas are popular in general. Does it recover kids? No. Can it help the process? Yes. Will it for you? Dunno. The thing about saunas is that at least it's harmless. *But* I do agree with Marcia in that it's expensive. If you can't afford to buy a sauna, why one earth would you try? There are so many other things that would probably do more toward recovery than a sauna. There are plenty of things in biomed that will do far more for you and give you more bang for your buck.But hey, if you've got a spare $4k just laying around doing nothing to throw at a sauna with zero guilt or second thoughts, go for it. I'm not that fortunate.I think you should go where your get the most value for your money. It's easy to go broke recovering your kid on things that may or may not provide any benefit. The only way to prevent that kind of money hemorrhaging is know what you are paying for and prioritize treatments based on the typical results. I would love a sauna. But only because I've wanted a sauna since I was like 5. I love sitting in a sauna and sweating it out. I would totally have an entire spa in my house if I could afford one, complete with iodine bath and seaweed wrap. I'd settle for a sauna and hot tub but I won't be getting either any time soon. For now I go to the gym to sit in a sauna. Your child probably isn't allowed in a gym sauna, though. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~> > ,> > > > Don’t be sucked in by doing these things because you are desperate to help your son. We are sitting ducks for any new treatment that comes along. I also tried stupid stuff. For my son, I bought expensive prism glasses that he refused to put on. If it doesn’t sound right , it probably isn’t. This is a complex disease and I can’t believe sauna treatments will cure it. This is a medical problem that can’t be solved by simply throwing boatloads of money at it. But in your and my defense western medicine has failed us. So we look elsewhere for answers. I did find a solution for my son after years of searching. We treated his broken immune system medically and then caught him up on everything he missed while he was ill.> > > > If you want more info about how we healed our son’s immune system please email me privately and I will forward what I have sent other parents. But be warned, this is not a treatment for sissies and is not an instant cure. It took years for our children to get sick and it takes years to get better. After a almost a decade of treating my son’s immune system he is living a happy and productive life. He is living on his own, going for his master’s but even more important has an active social life that included a girlfriend for a short time. > > > > Please don’t give up and know they can get better. Although autism is a tough disease to beat, for most kids whose immune systems aren’t too compromised, it is treatable. For us, in addition to the medical, we did behavioral (ABA), and educational interventions. One would not have worked as well without the other. I just wish the medical community would get on board with a recognized protocol to treat our children. They need to realize our kids are ill and need treatment now. And I hope they stop telling us most kids end up in group homes like they told me about my son.> > Best,> > Marcia> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If you have the money, why would 1-2 hours a day in a sauna take away from ABA or anything else? Besides I would assume it is time spent together so there's no reason to just sit there right? Can't you read or do something other than SIT in the sauna? I mean, uh, meditate even?? Pray??? Read a social story??? P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still wouldn’t do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn’t you get more bang for your buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune systems then there isn’t an issue of toxins. The body does what it was supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn’t harmless. I love you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child. Best,Marcia Re: Infrared Saunas sound too good to be true. It's not that easy t Posted by: " cheryl biomed.mom " cheryl.biomed.mom@... cheryl_biomed_mom Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:57 am (PDT) I have to disagree (sorry Marcia, you know I love you!). Part of what makes the sauna effective is that we sweat out the toxins. That's why saunas are popular in general. Does it recover kids? No. Can it help the process? Yes. Will it for you? Dunno. The thing about saunas is that at least it's harmless. *But* I do agree with Marcia in that it's expensive. If you can't afford to buy a sauna, why one earth would you try? There are so many other things that would probably do more toward recovery than a sauna. There are plenty of things in biomed that will do far more for you and give you more bang for your buck. But hey, if you've got a spare $4k just laying around doing nothing to throw at a sauna with zero guilt or second thoughts, go for it. I'm not that fortunate.I think you should go where your get the most value for your money. It's easy to go broke recovering your kid on things that may or may not provide any benefit. The only way to prevent that kind of money hemorrhaging is know what you are paying for and prioritize treatments based on the typical results. I would love a sauna. But only because I've wanted a sauna since I was like 5. I love sitting in a sauna and sweating it out. I would totally have an entire spa in my house if I could afford one, complete with iodine bath and seaweed wrap. I'd settle for a sauna and hot tub but I won't be getting either any time soon. For now I go to the gym to sit in a sauna. Your child probably isn't allowed in a gym sauna, though. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ > > ,> > > > Don’t be sucked in by doing these things because you are desperate to help your son. We are sitting ducks for any new treatment that comes along. I also tried stupid stuff. For my son, I bought expensive prism glasses that he refused to put on. If it doesn’t sound right , it probably isn’t. This is a complex disease and I can’t believe sauna treatments will cure it. This is a medical problem that can’t be solved by simply throwing boatloads of money at it. But in your and my defense western medicine has failed us. So we look elsewhere for answers. I did find a solution for my son after years of searching. We treated his broken immune system medically and then caught him up on everything he missed while he was ill. > > > > If you want more info about how we healed our son’s immune system please email me privately and I will forward what I have sent other parents. But be warned, this is not a treatment for sissies and is not an instant cure. It took years for our children to get sick and it takes years to get better. After a almost a decade of treating my son’s immune system he is living a happy and productive life. He is living on his own, going for his master’s but even more important has an active social life that included a girlfriend for a short time. > > > > Please don’t give up and know they can get better. Although autism is a tough disease to beat, for most kids whose immune systems aren’t too compromised, it is treatable. For us, in addition to the medical, we did behavioral (ABA), and educational interventions. One would not have worked as well without the other. I just wish the medical community would get on board with a recognized protocol to treat our children. They need to realize our kids are ill and need treatment now. And I hope they stop telling us most kids end up in group homes like they told me about my son. > > Best,> > Marcia> > -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 But what if the cause of the damaged immune system IS toxicity? I think it's great your son is recovered, I really do. But there are those kids out there who will never get better with SSRI's, antifungals and antivirals. It depends on the child and they will spend much more $$ with a lifetime of medication. (I'm not sayin' to get a sauna in your house, but oral chelation works for the poor as well!) I myself was on an SSRI for quite some time, when I address toxicity and use natural precursers to my serotonin depletion, I got better. Even better than when I was on lexapro. Antifungals and antivirals for a lifetime, can cause liver damage after 50 years of use, this is when the body will probably eventually break down and you'll see arthritis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatique, heart disease, cancer. I feel our world is very toxic and we all need to step back and take a look at what kind of world we are creating for our children and grandchildren. I've seen the metal test results for my son when chelating and believe me, it is not pretty. At such a tender young age, full of mercury, arsenic, lead and aluminum. Things need to change on this level for children and even adults to get better from chronic disease. For some, it's chronic lyme, tics from strep infection, a latent herpes infection. Yeast, bacteria and viruses...when will this type of thing end for us parents and out little ones? jenib > > > > > , > > > > > > > > Don't be sucked in by doing these things because you are desperate to help > your son. We are sitting ducks for any new treatment that comes along. I > also tried stupid stuff. For my son, I bought expensive prism glasses that > he refused to put on. If it doesn't sound right , it probably isn't. This is > a complex disease and I can't believe sauna treatments will cure it. This is > a medical problem that can't be solved by simply throwing boatloads of money > at it. But in your and my defense western medicine has failed us. So we look > elsewhere for answers. I did find a solution for my son after years of > searching. We treated his broken immune system medically and then caught him > up on everything he missed while he was ill. > > > > > > > > If you want more info about how we healed our son's immune system please > email me privately and I will forward what I have sent other parents. But be > warned, this is not a treatment for sissies and is not an instant cure. It > took years for our children to get sick and it takes years to get better. > After a almost a decade of treating my son's immune system he is living a > happy and productive life. He is living on his own, going for his master's > but even more important has an active social life that included a girlfriend > for a short time. > > > > > > > > Please don't give up and know they can get better. Although autism is a > tough disease to beat, for most kids whose immune systems aren't too > compromised, it is treatable. For us, in addition to the medical, we did > behavioral (ABA), and educational interventions. One would not have worked > as well without the other. I just wish the medical community would get on > board with a recognized protocol to treat our children. They need to realize > our kids are ill and need treatment now. And I hope they stop telling us > most kids end up in group homes like they told me about my son. > > > > Best, > > > > Marcia > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 agree agree agree. time well spent together...relaxation, relieving stress one of the MOST IMPORTANT things we can do for our kids. Sweating out toxins, that's why God created skin and sweat. No nasty side effects....no liver function tests...no contraindications with other meds/supps....no tinkering with dosages. If you don't like it, you don't go in again. Easy breezy. You can always resell, rent it out, or invite other sick kids over to give it a whirl. If I could buy one without blinking, I would. To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:34 AMSubject: Re: P.S. Just one more thing If you have the money, why would 1-2 hours a day in a sauna take away from ABA or anything else? Besides I would assume it is time spent together so there's no reason to just sit there right? Can't you read or do somethingother than SIT in the sauna? I mean, uh, meditate even?? Pray??? Read a social story??? P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still wouldn’t do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn’t you get more bang for your buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune systems then there isn’t an issue of toxins. The body does what it was supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn’t harmless. I love you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child. Best, Marcia Re: Infrared Saunas sound too good to be true. It's not that easy t Posted by: "cheryl biomed.mom" cheryl.biomed.mom@... cheryl_biomed_mom Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:57 am (PDT) I have to disagree (sorry Marcia, you know I love you!).Part of what makes the sauna effective is that we sweat out the toxins. That's why saunas are popular in general. Does it recover kids? No. Can it help the process? Yes. Will it for you? Dunno. The thing about saunas is that at least it's harmless. *But* I do agree with Marcia in that it's expensive. If you can't afford to buy a sauna, why one earth would you try? There are so many other things that would probably do more toward recovery than a sauna. There are plenty of things in biomed that will do far more for you and give you more bang for your buck.But hey, if you've got a spare $4k just laying around doing nothing to throw at a sauna with zero guilt or second thoughts, go for it. I'm not that fortunate.I think you should go where your get the most value for your money. It's easy to go broke recovering your kid on things that may or may not provide any benefit. The only way to prevent that kind of money hemorrhaging is know what you are paying for and prioritize treatments based on the typical results. I would love a sauna. But only because I've wanted a sauna since I was like 5. I love sitting in a sauna and sweating it out. I would totally have an entire spa in my house if I could afford one, complete with iodine bath and seaweed wrap. I'd settle for a sauna and hot tub but I won't be getting either any time soon. For now I go to the gym to sit in a sauna. Your child probably isn't allowed in a gym sauna, though. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~> > ,> > > > Don’t be sucked in by doing these things because you are desperate to help your son. We are sitting ducks for any new treatment that comes along. I also tried stupid stuff. For my son, I bought expensive prism glasses that he refused to put on. If it doesn’t sound right , it probably isn’t. This is a complex disease and I can’t believe sauna treatments will cure it. This is a medical problem that can’t be solved by simply throwing boatloads of money at it. But in your and my defense western medicine has failed us. So we look elsewhere for answers. I did find a solution for my son after years of searching. We treated his broken immune system medically and then caught him up on everything he missed while he was ill.> > > > If you want more info about how we healed our son’s immune system please email me privately and I will forward what I have sent other parents. But be warned, this is not a treatment for sissies and is not an instant cure. It took years for our children to get sick and it takes years to get better. After a almost a decade of treating my son’s immune system he is living a happy and productive life. He is living on his own, going for his master’s but even more important has an active social life that included a girlfriend for a short time. > > > > Please don’t give up and know they can get better. Although autism is a tough disease to beat, for most kids whose immune systems aren’t too compromised, it is treatable. For us, in addition to the medical, we did behavioral (ABA), and educational interventions. One would not have worked as well without the other. I just wish the medical community would get on board with a recognized protocol to treat our children. They need to realize our kids are ill and need treatment now. And I hope they stop telling us most kids end up in group homes like they told me about my son.> > Best,> > Marcia> > -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have just a short minute but want to add that we did all kinds of physical therapy and OT for our Mia, for months trying to get her sensory issues calmed down, with only slow gains- and then did a somewhat fringe and homely parasite treatment with added milk thistle for detox support. In a matter of days she lost most of her tactile sensitivity and had significantly improved motor planning skills (along with many other gains, including cognitive). This is a little off topic of what is being discussed with sauna vs ABA, but I came out of this experience and a few others personally with the conclusion that it doesn't matter how many hours (or dollars) I spend on physical or learning therapies, if my child's body isn't 'clean', I will get nowhere. I came out of 2 years of maddening daily effort to get our daughter to do a suite of things conducive to 'normal' life and then after parasite and other cleansing work she immediately just walked into the behaviors we had beat each other over the heads with for so long. Personally, in our experience, the bang for the buck comes in supporting the body's detox pathways. I can not express the exasperation, pain, sadness, loss, and just general shock I experienced when a few simple things that supported this turned our daughter around so significantly. It was like every minute I had spent in anguish for years was a waste. (felt along with the guilt for putting her through it, and through the lost time, and for all of the countless times I finally lost my temper when she couldn't do things) I cried a lot. Time is of the essence, and I personally wasted at least 2 years of my child's (and family's) life because I thought herbal treatments were somewhat fringe. So unless someone just doesn't 'believe' that a sauna 'does anything', there is no logic to saying that it is harmful. But I don't think that 'belief' should stand between this therapy and the longstanding evidence that saunas significantly support detoxing. Of course saying that a sauna alone will 'cure' Autism is dubious, but this should not take away its value as a supportive therapy like epsom salt baths or bentonite clay or chlorella or milk thistle or breakstone or drinking lots of fluids or taking fiber to keep the bowels moving. There are many mainstream physical therapy programs for all sorts of illnesses that make use of sauna or other wet/dry heat therapy and there is very fundamental, basic, noncontroversial science behind it. And I am sorry, truly sorry and I do not mean this personally but the previous post really struck me. I will have to get a bit prickly in the end here and ask that use of something like a sauna not be excepted from or set apart from 'proper medical treatment'. I thought this forum was for people willing to not draw these kinds of lines, lines which greatly hurt our children. Do I need to list the hoardes of doctors who do not consider MB12/Valtrex as 'proper medical treatment?' to make this point? Please, for the sake of science, can we not devalue something on the sole basis that we do not have experience with it or because someone dubiously claimed it a cure-all when in fact it is simply one of many effective supportive treatments? > > > P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still > wouldn't do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn't you get more bang for your > buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune > systems then there isn't an issue of toxins. The body does what it was > supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn't harmless. I love > you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful > since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things > that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence > with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child. > > > Best, > > > Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 "like" To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: P.S. Just one more thing I have just a short minute but want to add that we did all kinds of physical therapy and OT for our Mia, for months trying to get her sensory issues calmed down, with only slow gains- and then did a somewhat fringe and homely parasite treatment with added milk thistle for detox support. In a matter of days she lost most of her tactile sensitivity and had significantly improved motor planning skills (along with many other gains, including cognitive). This is a little off topic of what is being discussed with sauna vs ABA, but I came out of this experience and a few others personally with the conclusion that it doesn't matter how many hours (or dollars) I spend on physical or learning therapies, if my child's body isn't 'clean', I will get nowhere. I came out of 2 years of maddening daily effort to get our daughter to do a suite of things conducive to 'normal' life and then after parasite and other cleansing work she immediately just walked into the behaviors we had beat each other over the heads with for so long. Personally, in our experience, the bang for the buck comes in supporting the body's detox pathways. I can not express the exasperation, pain, sadness, loss, and just general shock I experienced when a few simple things that supported this turned our daughter around so significantly. It was like every minute I had spent in anguish for years was a waste. (felt along with the guilt for putting her through it, and through the lost time, and for all of the countless times I finally lost my temper when she couldn't do things) I cried a lot. Time is of the essence, and I personally wasted at least 2 years of my child's (and family's) life because I thought herbal treatments were somewhat fringe.So unless someone just doesn't 'believe' that a sauna 'does anything', there is no logic to saying that it is harmful. But I don't think that 'belief' should stand between this therapy and the longstanding evidence that saunas significantly support detoxing. Of course saying that a sauna alone will 'cure' Autism is dubious, but this should not take away its value as a supportive therapy like epsom salt baths or bentonite clay or chlorella or milk thistle or breakstone or drinking lots of fluids or taking fiber to keep the bowels moving. There are many mainstream physical therapy programs for all sorts of illnesses that make use of sauna or other wet/dry heat therapy and there is very fundamental, basic, noncontroversial science behind it.And I am sorry, truly sorry and I do not mean this personally but the previous post really struck me. I will have to get a bit prickly in the end here and ask that use of something like a sauna not be excepted from or set apart from 'proper medical treatment'. I thought this forum was for people willing to not draw these kinds of lines, lines which greatly hurt our children. Do I need to list the hoardes of doctors who do not consider MB12/Valtrex as 'proper medical treatment?' to make this point? Please, for the sake of science, can we not devalue something on the sole basis that we do not have experience with it or because someone dubiously claimed it a cure-all when in fact it is simply one of many effective supportive treatments?>> > P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still> wouldn't do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn't you get more bang for your> buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune> systems then there isn't an issue of toxins. The body does what it was> supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn't harmless. I love> you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful> since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things> that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence> with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child.> > > Best,> > > Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Oi, Marcia! You're supposed to be writing! (Me too, especially since it is NaNoWriMo and all....)But that's operating under the assumption that people think using a sauna would be the only thing they need to do. I don't believe that there is anyone on this list that does. I don't believe there is anyone on this list that would do sauna and *forego* any other treatments or therapies. If I could afford a sauna, I would totally buy one. You can't say that if you treat the immune system there won't be an issue of toxins. Toxins are part of the problem. Toxins are part of the whole immune process. If you could just treat the immune system and have ridding toxins not be a problem, then my Gryffin and your wouldn't still be on antivirals (not to mention that the immune system is much mre than just a virus killer - it does so much more than that and I *have* to support the other things in order to maintain recovery - antivirals are huge for Gryffin but there's so much more to his recovery than just valtrex because it affects every other process in the body - like hormone production, for instance. It's not going to fix every problem for everyone. It helped a great deal in my house, but it hasn't *fixed* anything. I just tried to remove antivirals this summer and it was disastrous). Treating the immune system is an ongoing thing that rarely ever actually gets fixed. What we do is much more supportive of the immune system than it is curative. Those of us that make it to recovery rarely find that they get beyond having maintained recovery as opposed to full-on, no need for anything anymore recovery. And we get there by treating in conjunction. Those that choose to do it in steps are the ones that struggle the most because at some point, you have to do it all in conjunction. You have to end up at a point where you are treating viruses, bacteria, yeast, parasites, etc and doing behavioral therapy all at the same time. Because it's all supportive therapies. So adding a sauna isn't going to hurt or take away from any other therapy. Someone that can afford to do it probably isn't choosing to not do anything else for the sake of getting a sauna.Behavioral therapy never would have worked in my house without the biomed. But biomed would have definitely still worked in my house without behavioral therapy. He hasn't had any behavioral therapy in about a year now and he's still learning, still growing and still doing amazing things. And that's because I maintain his biomed. And I add to it when I can and I think it's worth trying to add.I tend to believe that getting a sauna can be a very good thing. But it's one of those items that fall under luxury therapies. I can't afford a sauna. I can't afford HBOT. So I don't. It's about money management, choosing where to spend money that will provide the most value and knowing what a person can and can't afford and how to work around that. If a person can afford a sauna, more power to them. I wish they'd buy a house next door to me! It's a treatment and therapy that has been, and continues to be, used by doctors for hundreds of years. The benefits of a sauna are very well established. It's not going to cure autism and I don't believe anyone thinks it will, nor will likely stop doing all other biomed in order to sweat like a pig. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~ P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still wouldn’t do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn’t you get more bang for your buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune systems then there isn’t an issue of toxins. The body does what it was supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn’t harmless. I love you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child.Best,Marcia Re: Infrared Saunas sound too good to be true. It's not that easy t Posted by: "cheryl biomed.mom" cheryl.biomed.mom@... cheryl_biomed_mom Tue Nov 1, 2011 9:57 am (PDT) I have to disagree (sorry Marcia, you know I love you!).Part of what makes the sauna effective is that we sweat out the toxins. That's why saunas are popular in general. Does it recover kids? No. Can it help the process? Yes. Will it for you? Dunno. The thing about saunas is that at least it's harmless. *But* I do agree with Marcia in that it's expensive. If you can't afford to buy a sauna, why one earth would you try? There are so many other things that would probably do more toward recovery than a sauna. There are plenty of things in biomed that will do far more for you and give you more bang for your buck.But hey, if you've got a spare $4k just laying around doing nothing to throw at a sauna with zero guilt or second thoughts, go for it. I'm not that fortunate.I think you should go where your get the most value for your money. It's easy to go broke recovering your kid on things that may or may not provide any benefit. The only way to prevent that kind of money hemorrhaging is know what you are paying for and prioritize treatments based on the typical results. I would love a sauna. But only because I've wanted a sauna since I was like 5. I love sitting in a sauna and sweating it out. I would totally have an entire spa in my house if I could afford one, complete with iodine bath and seaweed wrap. I'd settle for a sauna and hot tub but I won't be getting either any time soon. For now I go to the gym to sit in a sauna. Your child probably isn't allowed in a gym sauna, though. ~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~> > ,> > > > Don’t be sucked in by doing these things because you are desperate to help your son. We are sitting ducks for any new treatment that comes along. I also tried stupid stuff. For my son, I bought expensive prism glasses that he refused to put on. If it doesn’t sound right , it probably isn’t. This is a complex disease and I can’t believe sauna treatments will cure it. This is a medical problem that can’t be solved by simply throwing boatloads of money at it. But in your and my defense western medicine has failed us. So we look elsewhere for answers. I did find a solution for my son after years of searching. We treated his broken immune system medically and then caught him up on everything he missed while he was ill.> > > > If you want more info about how we healed our son’s immune system please email me privately and I will forward what I have sent other parents. But be warned, this is not a treatment for sissies and is not an instant cure. It took years for our children to get sick and it takes years to get better. After a almost a decade of treating my son’s immune system he is living a happy and productive life. He is living on his own, going for his master’s but even more important has an active social life that included a girlfriend for a short time. > > > > Please don’t give up and know they can get better. Although autism is a tough disease to beat, for most kids whose immune systems aren’t too compromised, it is treatable. For us, in addition to the medical, we did behavioral (ABA), and educational interventions. One would not have worked as well without the other. I just wish the medical community would get on board with a recognized protocol to treat our children. They need to realize our kids are ill and need treatment now. And I hope they stop telling us most kids end up in group homes like they told me about my son.> > Best,> > Marcia> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 well said i could not ve put it better myself, u go girl Tendai From: T Lynn Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 5:39 PM To: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: P.S. Just one more thing "like" To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:37 PMSubject: Re: P.S. Just one more thing I have just a short minute but want to add that we did all kinds of physical therapy and OT for our Mia, for months trying to get her sensory issues calmed down, with only slow gains- and then did a somewhat fringe and homely parasite treatment with added milk thistle for detox support. In a matter of days she lost most of her tactile sensitivity and had significantly improved motor planning skills (along with many other gains, including cognitive). This is a little off topic of what is being discussed with sauna vs ABA, but I came out of this experience and a few others personally with the conclusion that it doesn't matter how many hours (or dollars) I spend on physical or learning therapies, if my child's body isn't 'clean', I will get nowhere. I came out of 2 years of maddening daily effort to get our daughter to do a suite of things conducive to 'normal' life and then after parasite and other cleansing work she immediately just walked into the behaviors we had beat each other over the heads with for so long. Personally, in our experience, the bang for the buck comes in supporting the body's detox pathways. I can not express the exasperation, pain, sadness, loss, and just general shock I experienced when a few simple things that supported this turned our daughter around so significantly. It was like every minute I had spent in anguish for years was a waste. (felt along with the guilt for putting her through it, and through the lost time, and for all of the countless times I finally lost my temper when she couldn't do things) I cried a lot. Time is of the essence, and I personally wasted at least 2 years of my child's (and family's) life because I thought herbal treatments were somewhat fringe.So unless someone just doesn't 'believe' that a sauna 'does anything', there is no logic to saying that it is harmful. But I don't think that 'belief' should stand between this therapy and the longstanding evidence that saunas significantly support detoxing. Of course saying that a sauna alone will 'cure' Autism is dubious, but this should not take away its value as a supportive therapy like epsom salt baths or bentonite clay or chlorella or milk thistle or breakstone or drinking lots of fluids or taking fiber to keep the bowels moving. There are many mainstream physical therapy programs for all sorts of illnesses that make use of sauna or other wet/dry heat therapy and there is very fundamental, basic, noncontroversial science behind it.And I am sorry, truly sorry and I do not mean this personally but the previous post really struck me. I will have to get a bit prickly in the end here and ask that use of something like a sauna not be excepted from or set apart from 'proper medical treatment'. I thought this forum was for people willing to not draw these kinds of lines, lines which greatly hurt our children. Do I need to list the hoardes of doctors who do not consider MB12/Valtrex as 'proper medical treatment?' to make this point? Please, for the sake of science, can we not devalue something on the sole basis that we do not have experience with it or because someone dubiously claimed it a cure-all when in fact it is simply one of many effective supportive treatments?>> > P.S. In my opinion, if I had that much money to spend on a Sauna I still> wouldn't do it even if it is helpful. Wouldn't you get more bang for your> buck with ABA and proper medical treatment? If you treat their immune> systems then there isn't an issue of toxins. The body does what it was> supposed to do. And Cheryl I have to disagree, this isn't harmless. I love> you too and what you do for so many others. But it is extremely harmful> since it wastes valuable time and prevents parents from trying those things> that actually will help their children improve more. Time is of the essence> with our kids. It is much easier to recover a younger child.> > > Best,> > > Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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