yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

[Guest guest]

nah- you don't have to eat crow. I've read a couple of places about yellow (I think) also being occasionally helpful, but unless a person is taking Immusist for a spinal inujry, then there's no reason for it to be in the product. Same way some people use BHT to help treat herpes, it doesn't mean you want it in something you will be giving your kid every day, multiple times a day - Especially when you consider how many kids are sensitive to it. If the FDA and the food industry were more honest and transparent about what they know about these dyes, then maybe we could have an easier time weighing the pros and cons. But in this case, the dosage would be way too frequent. I don't understand the point of the food color in a product that comes package

in a dark bottle - if the dropper is also dark, a person would hardly notice what color the liquid is. Most people ordering this product would not be considered "the average American consumer" and would not expect it to look like CandyLand, anyway.

-Tammy

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 11:31 PMSubject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

OMG !!! Preparing to eat crow LOLI just read this about blue dye:http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-28/health/spinal.injury.blue.dye_1_spinal-cord-atp-spine?_s=PM:HEALTH

Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post it up to the group).Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation (chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom, milk

thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them. She noticed some really good improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good reduction in his stimming.At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be around! I watched him &

his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:"Re: yipppeeeeee!!!had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have interest in having a friend. so thank you

my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met you last year!!"

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

I agree...well said!

Patty from PA

>

>  

> >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an

interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a

preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom,

milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on

the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in

April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the

heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them.

She noticed some really good

> improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over

her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my

BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son

liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on

some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional

binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good

reduction in his stimming.

> >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be

around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get

some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my

children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her

e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to

help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> >

> > " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met

you last year!! "

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

We have not had to take binders for it, and currently for the first time

in 5 years, we are not on binders and can still function, as in they

have not started to get symptoms back when I ran out of the binders. We

started with just one drop a day, waited for a few days then upped it

very slow. I am currently only on 9 drops in the evening, and have been

able to go without the very expensive binders that I usually have to

take in order to keep extreme fatigue away. We are in good shape

though as compared to many, since we have been treating for 5 years.

ly, I am very amazed!

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Could you please share the amount, type and brand name of binders that

this five year old is taking along with the Immusist? From all I have

read, it seems very important to have the correct binders on board.

Also, do you give the binders at the same time as the Immusist or hours

after? Thank you.

[Guest guest]

You want to know something really weird???I took my kids to Denny's two weeks ago (we were out shopping, my mom was with us, she was having a hunger/panic attack and we still had shopping to complete, lest we have to deal with some tantruming kid - one kid had a costume and one did not, but I digress...)

ANYway, I ordered " coconut " drinks for them, I don't know what I was thinking. I mean, I WAS thinking something on their diets, I was NOT thinkinghello we are at DENNYS. LOLThe waitress brings us BLUE drinks. sigh.

My rule follower ASD kid points this out... We get BLUE drinks?!!! lol I whipped out the enzymes, I'm like ok, take TWO enzymes. Hahah.Good little Gabi decided to only have a taste of her blue drink. Bless her heart.

Rule BREAKER boy next to me decided hey, perfect opportunity to go wild. So he sucked down that blue drink like it was going out of style.A little bit later we are doing his menu games, and he is reading the menu WELL, quick, surprisingly. He can read, but he sounds out words and he's slow. Not horribly slow, but he's a kindergartner so you know, it's sometimes " painful " to hear/see him read. (And I realize a lot of you reading this are not here in your journey, this is my ADHD/epilepsy kid, not my ASD kid... but he is challenged with processing and social skills and speech.)

So I joked, " oh wow, that blue drink is great for reading skills! We'll have to make sure you get blue drink before tests next year! " I was only joking but maybe there was something to it? :-O

Anyway... so we are definitely not perfect here... but I guess I just can't bring myself to buy a product for health reasons that adds colors for aesthetic value. We DO use red-coated sudafed and PEG-containing (dye free) motrin daily. :-(

I need to see about getting those things compounded. :-\

 

nah- you don't have to eat crow.  I've read a couple of places about yellow (I think) also being occasionally helpful, but unless a person is taking Immusist for a spinal inujry, then there's no reason for it to be in the product.  Same way some people use BHT to help treat herpes, it doesn't mean you want it in something you will be giving your kid every day, multiple times a day - Especially when you consider how many kids are sensitive to it.  If the FDA and the food industry were more honest and transparent about what they know about these dyes, then maybe we could have an easier time weighing the pros and cons.  But in this case, the dosage would be way too frequent.  I don't understand the point of the food color in a product that comes package

in a dark bottle - if the dropper is also dark, a person would hardly notice what color the liquid is.  Most people ordering this product would not be considered " the average American consumer " and would not expect it to look like CandyLand, anyway.

 

-Tammy-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

Ha ha ha- so interesting! Well, it is just a reminder of how intricate these

amazing bodies of ours are and how hard it is to definitively " know " anything.

Grrrr.

>

> OMG !!! Preparing to eat crow LOL

>

> I just read this about blue dye:

>

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-28/health/spinal.injury.blue.dye_1_spinal-cord-a\

tp-spine?_s=PM:HEALTH

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah... try googling BHT and Herpes. It's actually sold as a supplement and supposedly people with full-blown genital herpes are able to cure themselves forever with BHT (the synthetic preservative Feingolders work so hard to avoid!)

 

Ha ha ha- so interesting! Well, it is just a reminder of how intricate these amazing bodies of ours are and how hard it is to definitively " know " anything. Grrrr.

>

> OMG !!! Preparing to eat crow LOL

>

> I just read this about blue dye:

> http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-28/health/spinal.injury.blue.dye_1_spinal-cord-atp-spine?_s=PM:HEALTH

>

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

Just fyi....not all the kids in our WA group are on binders with it. The 4 yo

that I originally shared about has been on it about 8 months now....we added

binders because we believed his body could benefit from the extra mop-up support

as he was exhibiting some extra stimming...adding the binders helped reduce

this.

The 5 yo that I had just got off the phone with is not currently on binders. His

mom was the attending RN with my husbands surgury 8 weeks ago...he's been on

Immusist for 6 weeks now with only seeing improvements so his mom does not feel

he needs any extra binders so we're watching, but not adding any at this point

in time. The binders are very case-by-case...I'd just watch & see what

happens....we just use our mom-o-meters.

Blessings,

Rita

>

> We have not had to take binders for it, and currently for the first time

> in 5 years, we are not on binders and can still function, as in they

> have not started to get symptoms back when I ran out of the binders. We

> started with just one drop a day, waited for a few days then upped it

> very slow. I am currently only on 9 drops in the evening, and have been

> able to go without the very expensive binders that I usually have to

> take in order to keep extreme fatigue away. We are in good shape

> though as compared to many, since we have been treating for 5 years.

> ly, I am very amazed!

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> Could you please share the amount, type and brand name of binders that

> this five year old is taking along with the Immusist? From all I have

> read, it seems very important to have the correct binders on board.

> Also, do you give the binders at the same time as the Immusist or hours

> after? Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

I will be glad to let you know when they reformulate. A year ago when I started

using the product it was bottled in plastic....they changed that to glass

because of customer requests. We have requested & I believe them when they said

they are working on it.

I have been on special diets for 7 years now, I know what garbage is FDA

approved and as much as possible avoid stuff like dyes, GMO's, nitrates, etc. &

I generally avoid them. I also know that the Dr that I have the highest respect

for (our herbalist that intoduced us to the LDM-100...we've seen him on/off for

5 years now when he's in the area...he's currently back in Asia...he has 6

doctorates, including a Masters in Herbs & a PhD in nutrition)...because of this

product he flew up from CA to meet the heads of the company. He knows my son

well, saw him & commented on how good he was doing on it...as a PhD in nutrition

he saw the benefitial properties & encouraged me to use it.

This product is helping children that are on special diets...and some that are

not. I'm helping 1 family that did not even know what BioMed was when they met

up with us...they chose to only do the Immusist...the child is doing

better...that's all the parent wanted to do.

The amazing part to me is this product seems to be meeting people where they

are...I'm not an expert, I'm a mom...all I can figure is that it's because it's

working on the cellular level to help the body function better....seems to me

better functioning blood is an overall benefit.

Blessings,

Rita

>

>  

> >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an

interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a

preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom,

milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on

the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in

April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the

heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them.

She noticed some really good

> improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over

her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my

BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son

liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on

some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional

binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good

reduction in his stimming.

> >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be

around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get

some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my

children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her

e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to

help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> >

> > " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met

you last year!! "

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

Ok.... I will agree not to say anything further negative on the product, esp. since they listened to customer requests to come up with a glass bottle.But you have to agree to not call it " natural. " ;-)

Similarly - there is this product.... we have NOT used it http://ontasknaturally.com/ingredient-info/but the person who invented it was a bio-med dad. His child was not affected by red dye and the chewables have red dye.

But he did listen to customer requests and they *just* developed the capsule / dye-free formulation.Currently they are working on a chewable dye-free option.It's so nice when the manufacturer listens to the parents.

BTW this guy wanted to make sure his product stayed made in the USA so I guess that is whatwas causing the food color issue (some part of the manufacturing process had the dye...maybe the only USA made flavoring also had dye or something!)

I WOULD use this product and recommend it to others simply based on the results we've had with thesame group of supplements in similar quantities... we just are all stocked up and settled on our vitamin shoppe stuff. LOL

 

I will be glad to let you know when they reformulate. A year ago when I started using the product it was bottled in plastic....they changed that to glass because of customer requests. We have requested & I believe them when they said they are working on it.

I have been on special diets for 7 years now, I know what garbage is FDA approved and as much as possible avoid stuff like dyes, GMO's, nitrates, etc. & I generally avoid them. I also know that the Dr that I have the highest respect for (our herbalist that intoduced us to the LDM-100...we've seen him on/off for 5 years now when he's in the area...he's currently back in Asia...he has 6 doctorates, including a Masters in Herbs & a PhD in nutrition)...because of this product he flew up from CA to meet the heads of the company. He knows my son well, saw him & commented on how good he was doing on it...as a PhD in nutrition he saw the benefitial properties & encouraged me to use it.

This product is helping children that are on special diets...and some that are not. I'm helping 1 family that did not even know what BioMed was when they met up with us...they chose to only do the Immusist...the child is doing better...that's all the parent wanted to do.

The amazing part to me is this product seems to be meeting people where they are...I'm not an expert, I'm a mom...all I can figure is that it's because it's working on the cellular level to help the body function better....seems to me better functioning blood is an overall benefit.

Blessings,

Rita-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rita,

I'm happy for your son!

I'm trying to understand how the surfactants work, though. There's nothing on

the website.

Thanks!

Patty in PA

> >

> > Â

> > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an

interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a

preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom,

milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on

the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in

April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the

heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them.

She noticed some really good

> > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over

her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my

BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son

liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on

some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional

binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good

reduction in his stimming.

> > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to

be around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get

some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my

children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her

e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to

help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> > >

> > > " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met

you last year!! "

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Toni

> >

> > ------

> > Mind like a steel trap...

> > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry it's taken me a while to reply, I'm personally dealing with a load

right now including my husbands surgery recovery...once again losing sleep as I

try & fit everything in...I'm tired right now, so forgive.

I'm always glad when manufactures listen too.

Regarding using it, I've been supporting alternative products for many years...I

learned a long time ago, just like you know, not everything will work on

everyone, nor am I trying to convince anyone to use it...I'm merely trying to

help inform & support answering ?'s just in case some child out there may be

helped as my son ( & a whole group here in WA) has been helped. I am in no way

offended about someone not using it nor having a negative comment about it...I

took some pretty discouraging hits bringing up LDM-100 when putting it up to the

lists. With both LDM-100 & Immusist I used them both personally & also as a

pretty great, savvy WA group w/some very great docs before ever bringing them to

some of the larger groups...because I know how tough bringing a new product on

board is to educate & support such sensitive children. With that I knew & had

anticipated the negative reaction to the dyes that I knew would hit early on...I

had the same & had to work my way through it. In the long run, as I've stated,

it was the product, the products reputation with helping auto-immune issues, a

trust in our docs & seeing how it has helped our group here that helped me move

past the hit I knew I would get on this into spending the time to support &

continue to inform on it.

I've been talking with them for a year about making it " natural " for our kids,

this week I saw the prototype " Immusist Natural " that they are working on as

he's working toward getting it into production. In the meantime, just like you

dosed at Denny's, I dose w/HNI Tri-enza...we've had absolutely no problems.

In the meantime, there is no other surfactant product like it. The properties

that these surfactants are designed to work with the body are so effective that

they are saving lives in places like central Africa with very difficult viruses.

I've seen the doctors reports...charts of CD4 & CD8 #'s turned around as they've

used only this product.

Also, although surfactants do have a trace of vitamin properties, they are far

different from vitamins. Vitamins nurish the cells, surfactants reduce the

surface tension of the cells...2 completely different jobs. Of all the nutrient

products (diets, vitamins/minerals) and all the anti-virals, anti-fungals,

anti-bacterials, none of them has the main job that these surfactants role plays

with the cell....surfactants have a job of there own. It is a very expensive

surfactant that they administer to a premature baby that increases it's chance

of survival...not a vitamin et all. While the surfactant has the benefit of

anti-viral, anti-fungal & anti-bacterial properties that again is not it's main

job....the main job is to help reduce the surface tension of the cells which in

turn just helps the body work better...kinda like a clean-well oiled engine just

works better, immediately & over time.

Wishing you all the best on your recovery journey,

Blessings,

Rita

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I will be glad to let you know when they reformulate. A year ago when I

> > started using the product it was bottled in plastic....they changed that to

> > glass because of customer requests. We have requested & I believe them when

> > they said they are working on it.

> > I have been on special diets for 7 years now, I know what garbage is FDA

> > approved and as much as possible avoid stuff like dyes, GMO's, nitrates,

> > etc. & I generally avoid them. I also know that the Dr that I have the

> > highest respect for (our herbalist that intoduced us to the LDM-100...we've

> > seen him on/off for 5 years now when he's in the area...he's currently back

> > in Asia...he has 6 doctorates, including a Masters in Herbs & a PhD in

> > nutrition)...because of this product he flew up from CA to meet the heads

> > of the company. He knows my son well, saw him & commented on how good he

> > was doing on it...as a PhD in nutrition he saw the benefitial properties &

> > encouraged me to use it.

> > This product is helping children that are on special diets...and some that

> > are not. I'm helping 1 family that did not even know what BioMed was when

> > they met up with us...they chose to only do the Immusist...the child is

> > doing better...that's all the parent wanted to do.

> > The amazing part to me is this product seems to be meeting people where

> > they are...I'm not an expert, I'm a mom...all I can figure is that it's

> > because it's working on the cellular level to help the body function

> > better....seems to me better functioning blood is an overall benefit.

> > Blessings,

> > Rita

> >

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

[Guest guest]

So,Babesia lives in the Red Blood cells(Thats how I understand

it).Would this product be a help or hinderance in a child with this

sort of infection.Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks,Tammy F.

I'm sorry it's taken me a while to reply, I'm personally

dealing with a load right now including my husbands

surgery recovery...once again losing sleep as I try &

fit everything in...I'm tired right now, so forgive.

I'm always glad when manufactures listen too.

Regarding using it, I've been supporting alternative

products for many years...I learned a long time ago, just

like you know, not everything will work on everyone, nor

am I trying to convince anyone to use it...I'm merely

trying to help inform & support answering ?'s just in

case some child out there may be helped as my son ( & a

whole group here in WA) has been helped. I am in no way

offended about someone not using it nor having a negative

comment about it...I took some pretty discouraging hits

bringing up LDM-100 when putting it up to the lists. With

both LDM-100 & Immusist I used them both personally

& also as a pretty great, savvy WA group w/some very

great docs before ever bringing them to some of the larger

groups...because I know how tough bringing a new product

on board is to educate & support such sensitive

children. With that I knew & had anticipated the

negative reaction to the dyes that I knew would hit early

on...I had the same & had to work my way through it.

In the long run, as I've stated, it was the product, the

products reputation with helping auto-immune issues, a

trust in our docs & seeing how it has helped our group

here that helped me move past the hit I knew I would get

on this into spending the time to support & continue

to inform on it.

I've been talking with them for a year about making it

"natural" for our kids, this week I saw the prototype

"Immusist Natural" that they are working on as he's

working toward getting it into production. In the

meantime, just like you dosed at Denny's, I dose w/HNI

Tri-enza...we've had absolutely no problems.

In the meantime, there is no other surfactant product like

it. The properties that these surfactants are designed to

work with the body are so effective that they are saving

lives in places like central Africa with very difficult

viruses. I've seen the doctors reports...charts of CD4

& CD8 #'s turned around as they've used only this

product.

Also, although surfactants do have a trace of vitamin

properties, they are far different from vitamins. Vitamins

nurish the cells, surfactants reduce the surface tension

of the cells...2 completely different jobs. Of all the

nutrient products (diets, vitamins/minerals) and all the

anti-virals, anti-fungals, anti-bacterials, none of them

has the main job that these surfactants role plays with

the cell....surfactants have a job of there own. It is a

very expensive surfactant that they administer to a

premature baby that increases it's chance of

survival...not a vitamin et all. While the surfactant has

the benefit of anti-viral, anti-fungal &

anti-bacterial properties that again is not it's main

job....the main job is to help reduce the surface tension

of the cells which in turn just helps the body work

better...kinda like a clean-well oiled engine just works

better, immediately & over time.

Wishing you all the best on your recovery journey,

Blessings,

Rita

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > I will be glad to let you know when they

reformulate. A year ago when I

> > started using the product it was bottled in

plastic....they changed that to

> > glass because of customer requests. We have

requested & I believe them when

> > they said they are working on it.

> > I have been on special diets for 7 years now, I

know what garbage is FDA

> > approved and as much as possible avoid stuff

like dyes, GMO's, nitrates,

> > etc. & I generally avoid them. I also know

that the Dr that I have the

> > highest respect for (our herbalist that

intoduced us to the LDM-100...we've

> > seen him on/off for 5 years now when he's in the

area...he's currently back

> > in Asia...he has 6 doctorates, including a

Masters in Herbs & a PhD in

> > nutrition)...because of this product he flew up

from CA to meet the heads

> > of the company. He knows my son well, saw him

& commented on how good he

> > was doing on it...as a PhD in nutrition he saw

the benefitial properties &

> > encouraged me to use it.

> > This product is helping children that are on

special diets...and some that

> > are not. I'm helping 1 family that did not even

know what BioMed was when

> > they met up with us...they chose to only do the

Immusist...the child is

> > doing better...that's all the parent wanted to

do.

> > The amazing part to me is this product seems to

be meeting people where

> > they are...I'm not an expert, I'm a mom...all I

can figure is that it's

> > because it's working on the cellular level to

help the body function

> > better....seems to me better functioning blood

is an overall benefit.

> > Blessings,

> > Rita

> >

> --

> Toni

>

> ------

> Mind like a steel trap...

> Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

>

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I don't have a horse in this race. Here's my opinion: do what works. It's really that simple. I don't care what the ingredients are if it works. Would I prefer it be better? Absolutely. Would I argue over the food coloring? Only if I *knew* my kid would spin out on it. My son doesn't so if I were inclined to try it, I would.It's not a lifelong commitment. There's nothing that says a person can't stop. But I would be willing to try it if I saw others getting results. That's why I'm trying humaworm and not alinia. That's why I'm trying a *gasp* MLM product called Reliv (and before I get any questions, I have to put my son on a nutritional shake since the ritalin makes him sooooo not hungry and since I have to buy one anyway, I'm starting with something I know other people are having big successes with. No matter what, he still need the nutrition so whether he gets any gains in either the autism [meaning I'd really like to not have to give him antivirals/antifungaals anymore] or the adhd department is really moot - but would be a welcome bonus.)Don't get me wrong, I understand where you all are coming from. I understand the dyes are big no-no for most of us and we generally avoid them like the plague if we can. But we can't always do so. I guarantee you that your children are getting things you really wish they weren't. This seems like such an insignificant thing to be so argumentative over (again, I DO get where you're coming from, I guess I'm just saying that I don't see why it can't be left at "oh there's dye in it. I can't/won't do it.") I don't do *a lot* of things that many people on this list do for various reasons. I don't feel the need to string everyone up for it or challenge them. I only get moderator-pissy when there's an attitude problem (which I don't see here so don't think I'm suggesting that, either). I'm only saying this because I don't want to start a big ta-doo when I say, I don't understand why it's turned into such a sticking point. It's not like the ingredients list is overwhelmingly bad. There are plenty of things in Kirkman's (and others) products that I can easily say that's no bueno.Are ingredients important? Yes. Especially if you have a sensitive child and you know their sensitivities. But once again, I find myself wanting to say DO WHAT WORKS. If what works for your kid is Lake Blue number 5 and you can't find anything else, why on earth wouldn't you do it? It's an extreme and unlikely example but you get my meaning. I feel like this product is suffering from its MLM association and that's why this response is happening (which is also kinda understandable). Maybe I'm wrong. There have been many MLM products that have promised x, y, & z and never delivered so I get that bit of stigma. I immediately shut down when I hear about MLM products, too. I just find this to be a bit of an awkward situation. We all share stories about what works for us. Hers happens to be Immusist. It's not overt MLM marketing directly to you through her sales account - the website she sends you to is the general website so I don't see any attempt to directly sell on this list. She hasn't tried to disguise it as something else, which happens often. It's the only thing I can figure, though, on why people's feathers are all a-ruffled.Keep your heads. Common sense is king in a world of chaos. Do what works for your kid. I'd be willing to try it based on the reports but $88 a bottle is a bit steep, especially when considering one bottle doesn't seem to last that long. It's a steep price for what amounts to an experiment and I don't have money to experiment with at the moment.

~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

[Guest guest]

I was one of the people who asked about the red dye because it would be an issue

for us. I wanted to make two comments:

1. We do not do dyes in our food, period. No exceptions for the boys. However,

before I realized my youngest son was SOOO sensitive to salicylates (red dye

being in this category), I certainly did make an exception and let him have

fluconazole tablets that are colored pink whenever he needed it as a

prescription. So I agree, sometimes the benfit outweighs the bad stuff

(especially when you can't afford an extra couple hundred $ to individually

compound every last prescription). If I keep hearing good reports and we get

the salicylate situation under control, maybe I would try this product. Right

now I have a big enough list of to-try-one-at-a-time supps that I am not in

hurry to add another item! Haha. Today's new addition - inositol...

2. I just had to laugh because I didn't even know this WAS a MLM product. I

never got past the ingredient list. Haha.

Cathy

(cheryl's post edited down to trim the post)

>

> I don't have a horse in this race. Here's my opinion: do what works. It's

really that simple. I don't care what the ingredients are if it works. Would I

prefer it be better? Absolutely. Would I argue over the food coloring? Only if I

*knew* my kid would spin out on it. My son doesn't so if I were inclined to try

it, I would.

>

..

..

..

> I feel like this product is suffering from its MLM association and that's why

this response is happening (which is also kinda understandable

[Guest guest]

Immusist is not an MLM....I don't know where that came from...far from it...to

keep the costs down they have not even built in any $'s for the docs to mark it

up for profit so most are not even carrying it their offices....they're just

referring to their web-site...he told me they've done what they can removing all

middle-man costs just to get the price as low as possible, surfactants in

general are just expensive to manufacturer. The doc in our group told us that

newborn rx surfactants are thousands...

The only MLM product I mentioned through the interchanges was in answering

someones ? on binders I did end up posting about 1 product that our group uses

as a binder that is an MLM, the Shaklee Alfalfa....as a group we order this

together, I make no money off of it & all discount distributer prices are passed

to the group to benefit all. The product itself is the reason we use it as it's

the only Alfalfa product that we can find that has a nice spearmint flavor that

many of our kids like. The group gets the distributer cost + we split the

shipping, I personally make no money off of it. The 700 bottle capsule ends up

running each person around $28...no complaints from the group, they are just

greatful for the lower cost product that works.

I've supported products for years on this list without gain....Cheryl, you know

I did not even accept credit for the LDM-100 explanation that I approved on the

blog...I've continued to maintain that if it helps a child then it was worth the

effort...I'm passing forward with a greatful heart all the things I've learned

on the group.

In this season of recognising Thankfulness, Thank You Cheryl For All You Do,

your efforts in so much are always so appreciated.

Blessings,

Rita

>

> I don't have a horse in this race. Here's my opinion: do what works. It's

really that simple. I don't care what the ingredients are if it works. Would I

prefer it be better? Absolutely. Would I argue over the food coloring? Only if I

*knew* my kid would spin out on it. My son doesn't so if I were inclined to try

it, I would.

>

> It's not a lifelong commitment. There's nothing that says a person can't stop.

But I would be willing to try it if I saw others getting results.

>

> That's why I'm trying humaworm and not alinia. That's why I'm trying a *gasp*

MLM product called Reliv (and before I get any questions, I have to put my son

on a nutritional shake since the ritalin makes him sooooo not hungry and since I

have to buy one anyway, I'm starting with something I know other people are

having big successes with. No matter what, he still need the nutrition so

whether he gets any gains in either the autism [meaning I'd really like to not

have to give him antivirals/antifungaals anymore] or the adhd department is

really moot - but would be a welcome bonus.)

>

> Don't get me wrong, I understand where you all are coming from. I understand

the dyes are big no-no for most of us and we generally avoid them like the

plague if we can. But we can't always do so. I guarantee you that your children

are getting things you really wish they weren't. This seems like such an

insignificant thing to be so argumentative over (again, I DO get where you're

coming from, I guess I'm just saying that I don't see why it can't be left at

" oh there's dye in it. I can't/won't do it. " ) I don't do *a lot* of things that

many people on this list do for various reasons. I don't feel the need to string

everyone up for it or challenge them. I only get moderator-pissy when there's an

attitude problem (which I don't see here so don't think I'm suggesting that,

either). I'm only saying this because I don't want to start a big ta-doo when I

say, I don't understand why it's turned into such a sticking point. It's not

like the ingredients list is overwhelmingly bad. There are plenty of things in

Kirkman's (and others) products that I can easily say that's no bueno.

>

>

> Are ingredients important? Yes. Especially if you have a sensitive child and

you know their sensitivities. But once again, I find myself wanting to say DO

WHAT WORKS. If what works for your kid is Lake Blue number 5 and you can't find

anything else, why on earth wouldn't you do it? It's an extreme and unlikely

example but you get my meaning.

>

> I feel like this product is suffering from its MLM association and that's why

this response is happening (which is also kinda understandable). Maybe I'm

wrong. There have been many MLM products that have promised x, y, & z and never

delivered so I get that bit of stigma. I immediately shut down when I hear about

MLM products, too. I just find this to be a bit of an awkward situation. We all

share stories about what works for us. Hers happens to be Immusist. It's not

overt MLM marketing directly to you through her sales account - the website she

sends you to is the general website so I don't see any attempt to directly sell

on this list. She hasn't tried to disguise it as something else, which happens

often. It's the only thing I can figure, though, on why people's feathers are

all a-ruffled.

>

> Keep your heads. Common sense is king in a world of chaos. Do what works for

your kid. I'd be willing to try it based on the reports but $88 a bottle is a

bit steep, especially when considering one bottle doesn't seem to last that

long. It's a steep price for what amounts to an experiment and I don't have

money to experiment with at the moment.

>

>

> ~ Antiviral Therapy 101

>

> ~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~

> ~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Surfactants main job is to reduce the surface tension of the cells....in

reducing the surface tension these surfactants also have properties that carry

oxygen & hydration that directly benefit the cells.

At the group meeting w/the heads of Immusist, some top docs including our

herbalist (with 6 doctorates including 2 PhD's), some of our groups BioMed moms

were allowed to attend. At this meeting we were shown a great chemistry lesson

of what reduced surface tension looks like (this is a great science lesson for

some of your 2nd+ grade kids).

Cut off a medium sized cardboard box lid (the wax kind works the best).

Partially fill a shot glass with water. Pour 2 separated pools of water (not

touching) at a place about 1/4 & 3/4 on the flat lid (you'll have 2 pools of

water laying on the surface in a pool on top of the cardboard lid). Water will

naturally stay pooled just sitting on the surface for quite some

time...generally a few hours if it's the waxed type. After it's sat there for a

short while, demonstrating that water naturally stays pooled, drop 1 drop of

Immusist in just 1 of the pools of water (certain other surfactants work as

well...don't know exactly which one because in learning this I've only seen it

w/Immusist). What will immediately happen is the pool of water very rapidly

disburses + it also breaks through soaking into the cardboard...most of the time

I've seen this the 1st pool disbursing generally runs into the 2nd pool of water

& immediately breaks down/disburses it as well.

That's what's happening in your body. The surfactant gets carried by the glass

of water that you drink with it breaking down the surface tension of the cells.

At the same time stuff that you take with it (for us that's his minerals, CLO &

herbs) gets disbursed with it helping the body to better absorb what it had a

difficult time absorbing before.

Of note, in another group last week we had a child pass a whole bunch of

pin-worms on the 3rd day of the dose (18 mo old was on 2 drops 2x a day). As a

hypothesis we believe the cells became slippery (that's what soap/surfactants

do...makes things slippery) so the worms had a hard time latching & the body

just unloaded them into her diaper. Again, I can not at this point prove it, but

just as the herbalist told us the LDM-100 makes the cell slippery so the claws

on the virus falls off the cells, seems to me the high rate of success w/the

surfactants as an anti-viral also has something to do with the reduced surface

tension/slippery cells.

One thing I do know, auto-immune blood panels turning around to more healthy

levels, especially CD4 & CD8 levels are common w/this product .that is why I'm

excited enough to post about it.

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > Â

> > > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> > > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from

an interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a

preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom,

milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on

the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in

April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the

heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them.

She noticed some really good

> > > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going

over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some

of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her

son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was

already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the

additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she

saw a good reduction in his stimming.

> > > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure

to be around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom

get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with

both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading

her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made

to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> > > >

> > > > " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> > > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> > > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i

met you last year!! "

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Toni

> > >

> > > ------

> > > Mind like a steel trap...

> > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Our docs have reported back to us success with this. Please report back further

if you do decide to use it.

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I will be glad to let you know when they reformulate. A year ago

> > when I

> > > > started using the product it was bottled in plastic....they

> > changed that to

> > > > glass because of customer requests. We have requested & I believe

> > them when

> > > > they said they are working on it.

> > > > I have been on special diets for 7 years now, I know what garbage

> > is FDA

> > > > approved and as much as possible avoid stuff like dyes, GMO's,

> > nitrates,

> > > > etc. & I generally avoid them. I also know that the Dr that I have the

> > > > highest respect for (our herbalist that intoduced us to the

> > LDM-100...we've

> > > > seen him on/off for 5 years now when he's in the area...he's

> > currently back

> > > > in Asia...he has 6 doctorates, including a Masters in Herbs & a PhD in

> > > > nutrition)...because of this product he flew up from CA to meet

> > the heads

> > > > of the company. He knows my son well, saw him & commented on how

> > good he

> > > > was doing on it...as a PhD in nutrition he saw the benefitial

> > properties &

> > > > encouraged me to use it.

> > > > This product is helping children that are on special diets...and

> > some that

> > > > are not. I'm helping 1 family that did not even know what BioMed

> > was when

> > > > they met up with us...they chose to only do the Immusist...the

> > child is

> > > > doing better...that's all the parent wanted to do.

> > > > The amazing part to me is this product seems to be meeting people

> > where

> > > > they are...I'm not an expert, I'm a mom...all I can figure is that

> > it's

> > > > because it's working on the cellular level to help the body function

> > > > better....seems to me better functioning blood is an overall benefit.

> > > > Blessings,

> > > > Rita

> > > >

> > > --

> > > Toni

> > >

> > > ------

> > > Mind like a steel trap...

> > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

But what's IN it? I'm not asking in a negative/accusatory way....I know you're not trying to pull a fast one on anyone. You've been on this board for quite some time and have contributed great things. So I totally believe you when you report these awesome things. But we STILL don't know what's in this stuff? -Tammy To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 2:18 AMSubject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

Patty,

Surfactants main job is to reduce the surface tension of the cells....in reducing the surface tension these surfactants also have properties that carry oxygen & hydration that directly benefit the cells.

At the group meeting w/the heads of Immusist, some top docs including our herbalist (with 6 doctorates including 2 PhD's), some of our groups BioMed moms were allowed to attend. At this meeting we were shown a great chemistry lesson of what reduced surface tension looks like (this is a great science lesson for some of your 2nd+ grade kids).

Cut off a medium sized cardboard box lid (the wax kind works the best). Partially fill a shot glass with water. Pour 2 separated pools of water (not touching) at a place about 1/4 & 3/4 on the flat lid (you'll have 2 pools of water laying on the surface in a pool on top of the cardboard lid). Water will naturally stay pooled just sitting on the surface for quite some time...generally a few hours if it's the waxed type. After it's sat there for a short while, demonstrating that water naturally stays pooled, drop 1 drop of Immusist in just 1 of the pools of water (certain other surfactants work as well...don't know exactly which one because in learning this I've only seen it w/Immusist). What will immediately happen is the pool of water very rapidly disburses + it also breaks through soaking into the cardboard...most of the time I've seen this the 1st pool disbursing generally runs into the 2nd pool of water & immediately breaks down/disburses it

as well.

That's what's happening in your body. The surfactant gets carried by the glass of water that you drink with it breaking down the surface tension of the cells. At the same time stuff that you take with it (for us that's his minerals, CLO & herbs) gets disbursed with it helping the body to better absorb what it had a difficult time absorbing before.

Of note, in another group last week we had a child pass a whole bunch of pin-worms on the 3rd day of the dose (18 mo old was on 2 drops 2x a day). As a hypothesis we believe the cells became slippery (that's what soap/surfactants do...makes things slippery) so the worms had a hard time latching & the body just unloaded them into her diaper. Again, I can not at this point prove it, but just as the herbalist told us the LDM-100 makes the cell slippery so the claws on the virus falls off the cells, seems to me the high rate of success w/the surfactants as an anti-viral also has something to do with the reduced surface tension/slippery cells.

One thing I do know, auto-immune blood panels turning around to more healthy levels, especially CD4 & CD8 levels are common w/this product….that is why I'm excited enough to post about it.

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > Â

> > > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post it up to the group).

> > > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation (chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorâ„¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom, milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started

them. She noticed some really good

> > > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good reduction in his stimming.

> > > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> > > >

> > > >"Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> > > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have interest in having a friend.

> > > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met you last year!!"

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Toni

> > >

> > > ------

> > > Mind like a steel trap...

> > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> > >

> >

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Ah, my bad, Rita. I must have gotten the alfalfa confused with the Immusist. I'm mostly in and out of the list this month since it's NaNoWriMo.But my point still stands, Do What Works. If Immusist works, don't stop because of something that clearly isn't causing a problem. Unfortunately in many therapies, we have proprietary formulas and we don't always know what's in that formula. I can't tell you how many things we've done over the years where the first ingredient listed on an ingredients list is "proprietary blend of herbs (or whatever)". Sometimes the only choice we have is to try it and see. The inactive ingredients are all listed. You have to make a choice based on that. I think it's great that you've got something that works. I hope you keep us updated on how it's going.

~ Antiviral Therapy 101~ gryffinstail.wordpress.com/ ~~ @Gryffins_Tail ~

Immusist is not an MLM....I don't know where that came from...far from it...to keep the costs down they have not even built in any $'s for the docs to mark it up for profit so most are not even carrying it their offices....they're just referring to their web-site...he told me they've done what they can removing all middle-man costs just to get the price as low as possible, surfactants in general are just expensive to manufacturer. The doc in our group told us that newborn rx surfactants are thousands...

The only MLM product I mentioned through the interchanges was in answering someones ? on binders I did end up posting about 1 product that our group uses as a binder that is an MLM, the Shaklee Alfalfa....as a group we order this together, I make no money off of it & all discount distributer prices are passed to the group to benefit all. The product itself is the reason we use it as it's the only Alfalfa product that we can find that has a nice spearmint flavor that many of our kids like. The group gets the distributer cost + we split the shipping, I personally make no money off of it. The 700 bottle capsule ends up running each person around $28...no complaints from the group, they are just greatful for the lower cost product that works.

I've supported products for years on this list without gain....Cheryl, you know I did not even accept credit for the LDM-100 explanation that I approved on the blog...I've continued to maintain that if it helps a child then it was worth the effort...I'm passing forward with a greatful heart all the things I've learned on the group.

In this season of recognising Thankfulness, Thank You Cheryl For All You Do, your efforts in so much are always so appreciated.

Blessings,

Rita

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has any one found using immusist has caused a yeast or viral flare

 

thanks in advance

 

 

As a whole food it is very safe for any age including babies, pregnant & nursing moms. In the rx realm surfactants are administered to premature babies to increase their survival rate.The surfactant that I have researched & my family has been using for 1 year, here's a link to it:

http://immusist.com/Having been on strict special diets for 7 years now...my daughter (9) has been 7 years recovered from asthma & my son is almost recovered(he's 13...we started biomedical recovery when he was 6yo)....most can not tell.

You use it for as long as you feel you need to, it's a whole food with no adverse side effects.Blessings,Rita

>> Immusist.   Rita could probably tell you more about her personal experience.>  > -Tammy> > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM> Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

> > >  

> > Hi, > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long does one have to use it for?

> > Thank you very much, > > Deb> > > To: mb12valtrex > From: allrpossible@... > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500> Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)> >  

> I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than

> I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from

> it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> each other.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?> > Cathy>

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yes...this is your key for for the extra binders come in... & if needed extra

probiotics & extra anti-fungals (Pau D'Arco is a fav) finding the right balance

in your detox supports has taken care of it. Figure you're hitting the detox

dump cycle....for my son he's dumping both arsenic & mercury @ record levels not

even his chelation hit (as documented by DD hair reports)...which always kicks

up yeast. I believe the dumping of the parasites (multiple reports including

live worms) + the viral die-off is releasing the metals which kicks up

yeast...the vicious cycle fully releasing.

Multiple adults that I know ended up feeling like teenagers again as our detox

kicked in...again, extra binders & bringing on extra probiotics/anti-fungals

have been what resolves it.

Blessings!

Rita

> > >

> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> > experience.

> > > Â

> > > -Tammy

> > >

> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> >

> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > surfactants)

> > >

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and

> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long does

> > one have to use it for?

> > >

> > > Thank you very much,

> > >

> > > Deb

> > >

> > >

> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > From: allrpossible@

> >

> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > surfactants)

> > >

> > > Â

> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started

> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than

> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told

> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from

> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things

> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> > > each other.

> > >

> > > Love and prayers,

> > >

> > > Heidi N

> > >

> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this

> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> > >

> > > Cathy

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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HIi

 

Hi Rita,

 

wow my little man is having the die off from hell,

 

yes...this is your key for for the extra binders come in... & if needed extra probiotics & extra anti-fungals (Pau D'Arco is a fav) finding the right balance in your detox supports has taken care of it. Figure you're hitting the detox dump cycle....for my son he's dumping both arsenic & mercury @ record levels not even his chelation hit (as documented by DD hair reports)...which always kicks up yeast. I believe the dumping of the parasites (multiple reports including live worms) + the viral die-off is releasing the metals which kicks up yeast...the vicious cycle fully releasing.

Multiple adults that I know ended up feeling like teenagers again as our detox kicked in...again, extra binders & bringing on extra probiotics/anti-fungals have been what resolves it.Blessings!Rita > > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> > experience.> > > Â> > > -Tammy> > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>> >

> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > surfactants)> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and

> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long does> > one have to use it for?> > >> > > Thank you very much,> > >> > > Deb

> > >> > >> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > From: allrpossible@> >

> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on> > surfactants)> > >> > > Â> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know> > > each other.> > >

> > > Love and prayers,> > >> > > Heidi N> > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?> > >> > > Cathy> > >> >> > > >> > >

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Hi Rita,Could you let us know what binders you suggest? I am still new to this so I think the binders we are using are Trufiber (my doc calls them prebiotics) and EcoNugenics Pectasol-c. We are using one scoop of each / day (am and pm with huge doses of probiotics -- VSL and 3Lac). Unfortunately, my son's gut deteriorates pretty quickly when he chelates with just the supplements so i am very worried about what will happen when start the DMSA. I am also worried that the antifungals/antibacterials will stop working too. My son's gut and behavior were great last year when we started the diets but ever since starting supplements he has deteriorated (although his speech and cognition have improved). So i think we have moved metals out of the brain to the

gut. Any more advice from you or others on what to do would be great! I am getting pretty frustrated with the DANs and planning to try AC -- just hope Oliver's gut can handle it.Also, I just ordered some Pau d'Arco (this is one we've havent tried except in the yeast aid by kirkman). It says to be careful if you are taking extra K which both of my kids are on bc of their high calcium/dysregulation. Any thoughts on this?Many thanks, To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

HIi

Hi Rita,

wow my little man is having the die off from hell,

yes...this is your key for for the extra binders come in... & if needed extra probiotics & extra anti-fungals (Pau D'Arco is a fav) finding the right balance in your detox supports has taken care of it. Figure you're hitting the detox dump cycle....for my son he's dumping both arsenic & mercury @ record levels not even his chelation hit (as documented by DD hair reports)...which always kicks up yeast. I believe the dumping of the parasites (multiple reports including live worms) + the viral die-off is releasing the metals which kicks up yeast...the vicious cycle fully releasing.

Multiple adults that I know ended up feeling like teenagers again as our detox kicked in...again, extra binders & bringing on extra probiotics/anti-fungals have been what resolves it.Blessings!Rita > > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> > experience.> > > Â> > > -Tammy> > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>> >

> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > surfactants)> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and

> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long does> > one have to use it for?> > >> > > Thank you very much,> > >> > > Deb

> > >> > >> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > From: allrpossible@> >

> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on> > surfactants)> > >> > > Â> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know> > > each other.> > >

> > > Love and prayers,> > >> > > Heidi N> > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> > > ever make an "allergen-free" formula that was free of the dyes?> > >> > > Cathy> > >> >> > > >> > >

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Hi sorry clicked on send button before I had finished message. In relation to alfalfa you mentioned they don't ship to ireland the only brand I can find to get here is now brand would that be ok do you thinkThanksLet your email find you with BlackBerry® from VodafoneSender: mb12valtrex Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:47:04 -0800 (PST)To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >ReplyTo: mb12valtrex Subject: Re: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants) Hi Rita,Could you let us know what binders you suggest? I am still new to this so I think the binders we are using are Trufiber (my doc calls them prebiotics) and EcoNugenics Pectasol-c. We are using one scoop of each / day (am and pm with huge doses of probiotics -- VSL and 3Lac). Unfortunately, my son's gut deteriorates pretty quickly when he chelates with just the supplements so i am very worried about what will happen when start the DMSA. I am also worried that the antifungals/antibacterials will stop working too. My son's gut and behavior were great last year when we started the diets but ever since starting supplements he has deteriorated (although his speech and cognition have improved). So i think we have moved metals out of the brain to thegut. Any more advice from you or others on what to do would be great! I am getting pretty frustrated with the DANs and planning to try AC -- just hope Oliver's gut can handle it.Also, I just ordered some Pau d'Arco (this is one we've havent tried except in the yeast aid by kirkman). It says to be careful if you are taking extra K which both of my kids are on bc of their high calcium/dysregulation. Any thoughts on this?Many thanks, To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants) HIi Hi Rita, wow my little man is having the die off from hell, yes...this is your key for for the extra binders come in... & if needed extra probiotics & extra anti-fungals (Pau D'Arco is a fav) finding the right balance in your detox supports has taken care of it. Figure you're hitting the detox dump cycle....for my son he's dumping both arsenic & mercury @ record levels not even his chelation hit (as documented by DD hair reports)...which always kicks up yeast. I believe the dumping of the parasites (multiple reports including live worms) + the viral die-off is releasing the metals which kicks up yeast...the vicious cycle fully releasing.Multiple adults that I know ended up feeling like teenagers again as our detox kicked in...again, extra binders & bringing on extra probiotics/anti-fungals have been what resolves it.Blessings!Rita > > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal> > experience.> > > Â> > > -Tammy> > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>> >> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on> > surfactants)> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Hi,> > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long does> > one have to use it for?> > >> > > Thank you very much,> > >> > > Deb> > >> > >> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > From: allrpossible@> >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on> > surfactants)> > >> > > Â> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know> > > each other.> > >> > > Love and prayers,> > >> > > Heidi N> > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would> > > ever make an "allergen-free" formula that was free of the dyes?> > >> > > Cathy> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Cotter> 4 Pollerton Manor> Carlow> 059 9134964> 087 2637921>-- Cotter4 Pollerton ManorCarlow059 9134964087 2637921

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Yes. That happened to us during the last 5 days, but yesterday I did not give

him his daily dose of 1 drop and he was able to sleep. I was about to post about

it, because I want to keep giving him the surfactants, but I do not how to

reduce the dose now, o if I have to add binders.

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