yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

November 22, 2011

Hi Rita,

I ordered Immusist last week , i am expecting it any time this week. Please can you suggest the right dosing for a 4 1/2 yr old? How many drops? how many times to start with? how much maximum for a 4 1/2 yr old? whether to take empty stomach or with food? away from other supplements if so what's the time difference?

I am keeping a lot of hope with this product. Last week i started LDM-100 i can see my daughter's stimming is reduced, so i think along with surfactant it will work more better as you explained.

Any advice will be helpful.

Many thanks,

Sindhu

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011, 7:18Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

Patty,Surfactants main job is to reduce the surface tension of the cells....in reducing the surface tension these surfactants also have properties that carry oxygen & hydration that directly benefit the cells.At the group meeting w/the heads of Immusist, some top docs including our herbalist (with 6 doctorates including 2 PhD's), some of our groups BioMed moms were allowed to attend. At this meeting we were shown a great chemistry lesson of what reduced surface tension looks like (this is a great science lesson for some of your 2nd+ grade kids). Cut off a medium sized cardboard box lid (the wax kind works the best). Partially fill a shot glass with water. Pour 2 separated pools of water (not touching) at a place about 1/4 & 3/4 on the flat lid (you'll have 2 pools of water laying on the surface in a pool on top of the cardboard lid). Water will naturally stay pooled just sitting on the surface for quite some time...generally

a few hours if it's the waxed type. After it's sat there for a short while, demonstrating that water naturally stays pooled, drop 1 drop of Immusist in just 1 of the pools of water (certain other surfactants work as well...don't know exactly which one because in learning this I've only seen it w/Immusist). What will immediately happen is the pool of water very rapidly disburses + it also breaks through soaking into the cardboard...most of the time I've seen this the 1st pool disbursing generally runs into the 2nd pool of water & immediately breaks down/disburses it as well.That's what's happening in your body. The surfactant gets carried by the glass of water that you drink with it breaking down the surface tension of the cells. At the same time stuff that you take with it (for us that's his minerals, CLO & herbs) gets disbursed with it helping the body to better absorb what it had a difficult time absorbing before. Of note, in

another group last week we had a child pass a whole bunch of pin-worms on the 3rd day of the dose (18 mo old was on 2 drops 2x a day). As a hypothesis we believe the cells became slippery (that's what soap/surfactants do...makes things slippery) so the worms had a hard time latching & the body just unloaded them into her diaper. Again, I can not at this point prove it, but just as the herbalist told us the LDM-100 makes the cell slippery so the claws on the virus falls off the cells, seems to me the high rate of success w/the surfactants as an anti-viral also has something to do with the reduced surface tension/slippery cells. One thing I do know, auto-immune blood panels turning around to more healthy levels, especially CD4 & CD8 levels are common w/this productâ€¦.that is why I'm excited enough to post about it.Blessings,Rita> > > > > > Ã‚ > > > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this

report. I received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post it up to the group).> > > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation (chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorÃ¢â€žÂ¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom, milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage

and organ support). She started on the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them. She noticed some really good> > > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good reduction in his stimming.> > > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be around! I watched him & his

brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:> > > >> > > >"Re: yipppeeeeee!!!> > > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting

to have interest in having a friend. > > > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met you last year!!"> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > Toni> > > > > > ------> > > Mind like a steel trap...> > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > >> >>

November 22, 2011

,

As I said off-list, I'm going to combine your off-list ?'s w/your on-list ones

to further educate, thanks for allowing me to do this.

I have used several NOW brand products but have not personally used their

alfalfa so can't say for total sure, but I do not see a problem since that is

the one available to you.

Here's the rest of the off-list response:

" I'm sure you're getting benefit in whatever way you're dosing...do not stress.

The main reason for the water is to help the surfactant disburse further into

the body....it also can be taken w/other good things to disburse them further

into the body as well (especially things like good fats like CLO, vitamins,

herbs...basically anything natural & good for the body). The things that are

preferred being dosed away from it is things like rx med which I would try &

keep at least 1 hour away if possible. I would also personally keep things like

activated charcoal also 1-2 hours away.

The full benefit of the surfactant is reached w/you dose w/a full glass of

water. The reason for dosing w/water is the water carries it further & the

surfactant uses the water to both further oxygenate (ie h2o) & further hydrate

the cells as the surfactant reduces the surfact tension.

I think you probably dosed up to high for now, reduce the 10 drops (is that 10

drops split into 1, 2 or 3 doses) into no more than 2-3 drops 2-3 times a

day...I recommend going down to 2 drops 2 times a day and hold for at least 2

weeks...spreading the dose out during the day is better than dosing all at once.

I think you've ramped up to fast being up to 10 drops in the 5 weeks you've used

it is why you are getting so much die-off. Reduce the dose to detox slower...low

& slow is a good thing.

Here's the saying....the solution to pollution is dillution - wash it out going

low & slow allowing the body to better handle expelling all of the pollution....

For the herpes lesions, if you have any LDM-100, mix w/Immusist say a dropper

full of LDM-100 to 2 or 3 drops of Immusist, add a little water & put in a small

spray bottle, spray it on the lesions (just don't get it into the eye area).

Samento, cumanda and burbor detox should be just fine to continue since you are

already on them...do not start anything else new right now so you can see

specifically what you are dealing with (a general good detox rule).

Blessings,

Rita

> >> > >

> >> > > Immusist.Ã‚ Ã‚ Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> >> > experience.

> >> > > Ã‚

> >> > > -Tammy

> >> > >

> >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> >> >

> >

> >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> >> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> >> > surfactants)

> >> > >

> >> > > Ã‚

> >> > >

> >> > > Hi,

> >> > >

> >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and

> >> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long

does

> >> > one have to use it for?

> >> > >

> >> > > Thank you very much,

> >> > >

> >> > > Deb

> >> > >

> >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> >> > > From: allrpossible@

> >> >

> >

> >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> >> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> >> > surfactants)

> >> > >

> >> > > Ã‚

> >> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> >> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started

> >> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than

> >> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> >> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told

> >> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from

> >> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> >> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things

> >> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> >> > > each other.

> >> > >

> >> > > Love and prayers,

> >> > >

> >> > > Heidi N

> >> > >

> >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this

> >> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> >> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> >> > >

> >> > > Cathy

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> >> --

> >> Cotter

> >> 4 Pollerton Manor

> >> Carlow

> >> 059 9134964

> >> 087 2637921

> >>

> >

>

> --

> Cotter

> 4Â Pollerton Manor

> Carlow

> 059 9134964

> 087 2637921

>

November 23, 2011

Sindhu,

It's not my favorite starting 2 products so close together, but if she is doing

well on the LDM-100, just turn up your mom-o-meter & watch how she does. How

many drops of LDM-100 is she now using....I'm thinking I'll just have you hold

there preparing her body to have it further pushed as you start the surfactants

in the next week or 2.

We have a couple of 4-5 year olds w/different phases of recovery using

it....It's always tricking going to e-mail support because I know so little

about where kids are & what they are on when trying to help so I'm finding in

the off-list support of this that I'm leaning toward a very low slow start & let

the child guide us.

The low slow start that I'm leaning to is 1 drop 1-2 times a day for a few

days...see how they do. After 3-4 days increase by 1 drop. It's best to give

doses throughout the day over all at once...it just gives the body more support

& spreads out the detox more so make sure & break up as much as possible 2-3

times a day. Most of our kids @ this age are no more than 3-5 drops 2 times a

day at their maximum work up dose...working up to the max level should take a

couple of months of low/slow ramp up.

Take w/full glass of water....I dose w/a small cup that has juice, liquids like

vits, good fats/CLO's, herbs (for us that's LDM-100) & we also take it w/our

Ambrotose....all good things that we want further carried into the body. For us

we have him " shot glass " this then follow w/a full glass of water which he takes

all the rest of his good sups with....he eats his breakfast then out the door to

school. Before dinner the same thing. The main thing we take separately is his

probiotics w/is just before bed as we try & work around a tight school day.

Hope this helps,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> > > > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from

an interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorÃ¢â€žÂ¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits

as a preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps

mushroom, milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She

started on the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas

tree in April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting

w/one of the heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group &

started them. She noticed some really

> good

> > > > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe walking kicking up. Going

over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some

of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her

son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was

already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the

additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she

saw a good reduction in his stimming.

> > > > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure

to be around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom

get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with

both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading

her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made

to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

> > > > >

> > > > > " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> > > > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> > > > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i

met you last year!! "

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Toni

> > > >

> > > > ------

> > > > Mind like a steel trap...

> > > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 23, 2011

Best thing I can recommend for you is to have you break the 1 drop further into

the day....put the 1 drop into a glass container w/what would be equivalent to

2-3 of the glasses he would use. Drop the 1 drop into that container w/the

water....drink that 2 or 3 times a day. This way you are splitting up the 1 drop

dose into 2-3 glasses throughout the day. He's getting the water to help him

dilute it out while making sure he gets it with the water to help him carry the

surfactant throughout the body. Just make sure he drinks the entire container to

get the benefit of the 1 drop throughout the day.

What we actually do is have a glass pitcher setting on our counter (room temp)

which we have 1 drop plus water filled to the top....we drink this all day long

including the water bottles that I send to school....works great for us.

Again, the solution to pollution is dilution....wash those toxins out & working

up low & slow making sure to keep hydrated as you support & detox.

Blessings,

Rita

>

> Yes. That happened to us during the last 5 days, but yesterday I did not give

him his daily dose of 1 drop and he was able to sleep. I was about to post about

it, because I want to keep giving him the surfactants, but I do not how to

reduce the dose now, o if I have to add binders.

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

November 23, 2011

Many thanks for the suggestion, i will watch her with LDM-100 for couple of weeks more then i will start immusist low and slow.

Many thanks,

Sindhu.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2011, 8:46Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

Sindhu,It's not my favorite starting 2 products so close together, but if she is doing well on the LDM-100, just turn up your mom-o-meter & watch how she does. How many drops of LDM-100 is she now using....I'm thinking I'll just have you hold there preparing her body to have it further pushed as you start the surfactants in the next week or 2.We have a couple of 4-5 year olds w/different phases of recovery using it....It's always tricking going to e-mail support because I know so little about where kids are & what they are on when trying to help so I'm finding in the off-list support of this that I'm leaning toward a very low slow start & let the child guide us. The low slow start that I'm leaning to is 1 drop 1-2 times a day for a few days...see how they do. After 3-4 days increase by 1 drop. It's best to give doses throughout the day over all at once...it just gives the body more support & spreads out the detox

more so make sure & break up as much as possible 2-3 times a day. Most of our kids @ this age are no more than 3-5 drops 2 times a day at their maximum work up dose...working up to the max level should take a couple of months of low/slow ramp up.Take w/full glass of water....I dose w/a small cup that has juice, liquids like vits, good fats/CLO's, herbs (for us that's LDM-100) & we also take it w/our Ambrotose....all good things that we want further carried into the body. For us we have him "shot glass" this then follow w/a full glass of water which he takes all the rest of his good sups with....he eats his breakfast then out the door to school. Before dinner the same thing. The main thing we take separately is his probiotics w/is just before bed as we try & work around a tight school day.Hope this helps,Rita> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > >Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post it up to the group).> > > > >Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an interaction off-list from this

list...turned out she only lived about 10 min from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation (chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlorÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚Â¢ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom, milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them. She noticed some really> good> > > > improvements but found his hand stimming/toe

walking kicking up. Going over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on board so I gave her some of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried them on her son & her son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella (since she was already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me adding the additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better demeanor + she saw a good reduction in his stimming.> > > > >At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:> > > >

>> > > > >"Re: yipppeeeeee!!!> > > > >had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have interest in having a friend. > > > > >so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met you last year!!"> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Toni> > > >

> > > > ------> > > > Mind like a steel trap...> > > > Rusty and illegal in 37 states.> > > >> > >> >>

November 23, 2011

i am v happy to hear that,i have a question about its taste because my son

refuses to take any thing with bad taste

thanks

>

> Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an

interaction off-list from this list...turned out she only lived about 10 min

from me ). At that time her son was on gfcf diet & probiotics. Her son @ that

time was basically non-verbal w/very little attension span & could be difficult

to manage. She saw one of our docs early this year, started MB12, some

anti-fungals including pau de'arco & probiotics, NDF Plus for chelation

(chlorella, cilantro, PolyFlor™ probiotics, and 18% grain neutral spirits as a

preservative, agaricus blazei mushroom, reishi mushroom, cordyceps mushroom,

milk thistle seeds and horsetail for drainage and organ support). She started on

the surfactant last spring after seeing the green/healthy Christmas tree in

April & being a dr. understands about rx surfactants. After meeting w/one of the

heads of Immusist she jumped on board with some in our WA group & started them.

She noticed some really good improvements but found his hand stimming/toe

walking kicking up. Going over her supplements I felt she needed more binders on

board so I gave her some of my BioPure Chlorella & some of my Alfalfa. She tried

them on her son & her son liked the Alfalfa but did not want the extra chlorella

(since she was already on some we just went w/adding the alfalfa). She told me

adding the additional binders made a big improvement to his overall better

demeanor + she saw a good reduction in his stimming.

> At this point in time he is very verbal & interactory. He is a pleasure to be

around! I watched him & his brother a couple of weeks ago to help his mom get

some chores done...the boys were both such a pleasure & played well with both my

children. I could not be more proud of this family. I got tears reading her

e-mail...us moms have talked about how much difference the surfactants made to

help our children. Here's a copy of her e-mail:

>

> " Re: yipppeeeeee!!!

> had xxxx school conference tonight and for the first time i didnt leave

holding back the tears. u were and are right!!! the same teacher who made me so

sad last year and had me crying when she said she did not think xxxx would ever

be in mainstream classes has changed her mind now and it is her opinion that he

will eventually be out of special ed classes!! he is now the highest functioning

of the kids with autism in his preschool and i know that does not sound great

but he is acting like a peer model in his autism class. he is starting to have

interest in having a friend.

> so thank you my friend. my son is a different person than he was when i met

you last year!! "

>

November 23, 2011

in the small doses we are using on the kids it hides real well in juice...2

drops....they hardly know it's in there.

Blessings,

Rita

> >

> > Just had to share I'm so excited to be able to pass you this report. I

received this e-mail from one of the moms in our WA group & have received

permission to post it up to you (when I asked her if I could send this to the

group she said if it helps another child like I've helped hers then I could post

it up to the group).

> > Background: This mom is a pediatric dr. We met last fall (actually from an