OT child protective services

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well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has

caused me to put my biomed book on hold.

I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them

I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.

they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe

could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live

in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these

parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so

I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.

I am spilling this private info because I think it is so important

we all know how the other half lives..

when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they

cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot

of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to admit

that.

but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming

children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people

dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many

single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in

their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against

parents.

I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can

they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child?

anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to

anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.

channa

[Guest guest]

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.

I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.

they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.

I am spilling this private info because I think it is so important

we all know how the other half lives..

when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to admit that.

but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.

I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child?

anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.

channa

[Guest guest]

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

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Oh, Channa, that really really sucks!  I'm sending positive vibes your way!  I'm on a local group for parents of ASD kids and it sounds like someone is going through the same bullshit where they disagreed with the people who are providing ABA at a publicly funded ABA center called child services on a mother as a form of blackmail and started making all these ludicrous claims about her because she was disagreeing with the staff of the center about something.  When she spoke up, they started saying to her that she was doing this and that and they called child services on her!!!  That's so horse shit!  It's not like we have it easy with doing biomed and trying to recover our kids but then parents have to deal with these totally bogus horse shit allegations?!?!

I know you're a good mom, Channa, and I know there's no chance in hell you're abusing your son in any way, shape or form.  No one who puts as much work as you have into recovering your son will abuse them.  I hope whoever called CPS on you gets their ass seriously kicked.

[Guest guest]

Oh my dear ChannaFirst and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS

what the FUCK!!!!!!am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God

knows i nid three ppl)my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!Love u hugs galoTo: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

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To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh my dear Channa

First and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.

These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!

am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!

I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!

you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.

I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)

my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!

Love u hugs galo

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

! you got my angry eyes! LOL! love you girlfriend and big hug to you..

yes it would seem fighting autism is a fight that just keeps goin and goin...

the social worker asked me if i ever drank even socially,and I said never not even one drop. even if i had a sitter I honestly would rather sleep then go out.

but I made the mistake of telling her when my son is grown and recovered I plan on becoming an alcoholic. maybe heroin too not sure yet.

I know it was the WRONG thing to say but sometimes I dont know when to hold my hand over my mouth.

the truth is ...the way I feel if I had no children to care for I would gladly become a crazy alcoholic woman screaming at the walls. but then again no one can understand how much i have earned the right to do that after what ive gone thru. and if i thought their was a foster home that would spend all their time writing journals on his behavior and food intake and cook everything from scratch and organic and spend two hundred dollars a month on biomed and would have the endless patience it takes when we are dealing with pathogen die off ect.

well i would gladly let someone else other then crazy momma take over.

but who will do that job? only crazy momma. so if crazy momma wants to be a heroin addict in 15 years when my son is recovered dammit that is my right. i actually see myself more as a screaming alcoholic thou. more my style

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh my dear Channa

First and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.

These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!

am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!

I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!

you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.

I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)

my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!

Love u hugs galo

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

oh yah and if they got me someone to help me clean my house which is the only help i need i would be floored because that would mean they actually are doin something to help me.! but i suspect i will have a social worker "talk" to me about how to keep my house clean. and "talk" to me about handling my sons behavior issues..which will be really funny since I could teach most social workers how to deal with behavior issues. and if I so much as twitch the wrong way she will write in her little notebook mentally unstable.

thru my life I am being forced to eat crow over and over....

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh my dear Channa

First and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.

These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!

am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!

I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!

you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.

I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)

my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!

Love u hugs galo

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

thank you alberta.. i also know a woman who had CPS called on her from the school because she was causing so much trouble fighting for services...it is what it is..heartbreaking to hear vicious untrue things said about me.

I am a trauma survivor and this makes the world even that much more an unsafe place...but it is pushing me twards God in a amazing way..so who knows why we all go thru what we do.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:11 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh, Channa, that really really sucks! I'm sending positive vibes your way! I'm on a local group for parents of ASD kids and it sounds like someone is going through the same bullshit where they disagreed with the people who are providing ABA at a publicly funded ABA center called child services on a mother as a form of blackmail and started making all these ludicrous claims about her because she was disagreeing with the staff of the center about something. When she spoke up, they started saying to her that she was doing this and that and they called child services on her!!! That's so horse shit! It's not like we have it easy with doing biomed and trying to recover our kids but then parents have to deal with these totally bogus horse shit allegations?!?!I know you're a good mom, Channa, and I know there's no chance in hell you're abusing your son in any way, shape or form. No one who puts as much work as you

have into recovering your son will abuse them. I hope whoever called CPS on you gets their ass seriously kicked.

[Guest guest]



1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

wow! thank you Guy that sounds like really great advice. I have been able to borrow money for a lawyer and I did go to my worthless ped, who actually did stick up for me. shocking.

I know my sons teachers will say only good things about me...really my only enemy is myself as every time I open my mouth I sound like a crazy person.

so I just have to try and act like a happy calm soccer mom on some antidepressant and I will be Ok I think.

either way it is devastating but I cant show my emotion..

channa not showing emotion is kind of an oxymoron.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:31 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]



what folks "say" is OK but you need it in writing

Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

Ok. got it. im goin to my sons school today and getting a letter from his teacher and then I will work on getting more.thanks again Guy.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:03 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

 what folks "say" is OK but you need it in writing

Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

tell u something Channa, there is no better result than recovering uo son and u r doing a great job of it and helping nebies like me, so forget the crow eating and remember the good u do for uo son for pple like me and my kid and well if i were the queen i would give u a knighthood and have u be lady or better still be dame Channa, only thing i can offer is my prayers and hope the man upstairs hears us.To:

"mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 15:17Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh yah and if they got me someone to help me clean my house which is the only help i need i would be floored because that would mean they actually are doin something to help me.! but i suspect i will have a social worker "talk" to me about how to keep my house clean. and "talk" to me about handling my sons behavior issues..which will be really funny since I could teach most social workers how to deal with behavior issues. and if I so much as twitch the wrong way she will write in her little notebook mentally unstable.

thru my life I am being forced to eat crow over and over....

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh my dear Channa

First and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.

These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!

am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!

I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!

you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.

I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)

my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!

Love u hugs galo

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

not sure i will nid either the alcohol or the heroin, i will just have to let go of myself control and i be there!!!!To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 15:07Subject: Re: OT child protective services

! you got my angry eyes! LOL! love you girlfriend and big hug to you..

yes it would seem fighting autism is a fight that just keeps goin and goin...

the social worker asked me if i ever drank even socially,and I said never not even one drop. even if i had a sitter I honestly would rather sleep then go out.

but I made the mistake of telling her when my son is grown and recovered I plan on becoming an alcoholic. maybe heroin too not sure yet.

I know it was the WRONG thing to say but sometimes I dont know when to hold my hand over my mouth.

the truth is ...the way I feel if I had no children to care for I would gladly become a crazy alcoholic woman screaming at the walls. but then again no one can understand how much i have earned the right to do that after what ive gone thru. and if i thought their was a foster home that would spend all their time writing journals on his behavior and food intake and cook everything from scratch and organic and spend two hundred dollars a month on biomed and would have the endless patience it takes when we are dealing with pathogen die off ect.

well i would gladly let someone else other then crazy momma take over.

but who will do that job? only crazy momma. so if crazy momma wants to be a heroin addict in 15 years when my son is recovered dammit that is my right. i actually see myself more as a screaming alcoholic thou. more my style

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Oh my dear Channa

First and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.

These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!

am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!

I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!

you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.

I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)

my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!

Love u hugs galo

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services

oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son.

I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done.

but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.

thank you guys means more then i can say.

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Hi Channa,

I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she

was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are

right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We

were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctors

naturopaths etc...

Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sending

you {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.

You take care be kind to yourself.

Rosetta from Oz

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to

admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is

dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

In my state, they don't go by dirty houses any more, but I do agree

that you have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL on what you tell others. I

bring doc notes into the school from my kids' docs. There are

autism recovery docs out there that take Medicaid, but I do know

there are not many. Don't get caught up on this list of

understanding moms and think others want to learn and understand as

well. They don't. Since all my kids tested allergic to wheat and

dairy, I could have used their regular doc. It's not really the

allergy though; it's the inability to digest casein and gluten, but

don't even try to go there. I once did bring in a scientific study

showing how gluten makes kids act "out-of-it" or "drugged-out".

They read it and actually honored it. So, dig up your research

girl. Print out the research and show it to them. Google "autism

phenols abstract" "autism gluten abstract" or just "autism gluten"

,etc. Show them the news reports, research, etc. And I'll be most

kids who can't digest casein and gluten will also test positive.

So, get some allergy testing and go to www.generationrescue.org and

get some local information on docs and services.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but

how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the

child?

anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids

diet to anyone!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!

or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your

house is dirty.

channa

[Guest guest]

I agree with Heidi N.. be very careful who you confide in when talking about alternative treatments. What you say can be turned against you. I stupidly learned this the hard way and my son almost got kicked out of school. Why? because he tested postiive for HHV6 (also known as Roseola which, mind you, most kids test positive for) and I told this confidentially to his SPED teacher (silly me, for thinking I could trust). Next thing you know I get a call from the school nurse insisting on a letter from my son's doctor or else quarantine my son. All over a common virus that just about every kid gets!!!

Paranoia strikes deep. Very deep

Trust noone (except autism parents of course : )

Subject: Re: OT child protective servicesTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 11:47 AM

In my state, they don't go by dirty houses any more, but I do agree that you have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL on what you tell others. I bring doc notes into the school from my kids' docs. There are autism recovery docs out there that take Medicaid, but I do know there are not many. Don't get caught up on this list of understanding moms and think others want to learn and understand as well. They don't. Since all my kids tested allergic to wheat and dairy, I could have used their regular doc. It's not really the allergy though; it's the inability to digest casein and gluten, but don't even try to go there. I once did bring in a scientific study showing how gluten makes kids act "out-of-it" or "drugged-out". They read it and actually honored it. So, dig up your research girl. Print out the research and show it to them. Google "autism phenols abstract" "autism gluten abstract" or just

"autism gluten" ,etc. Show them the news reports, research, etc. And I'll be most kids who can't digest casein and gluten will also test positive. So, get some allergy testing and go to www.generationrescue.org and get some local information on docs and services.Love and prayers,Heidi NI have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

[Guest guest]

Do NOT, I repeat: Do NOT try to sound like a soccer mom.....especially a CALM one - they do not exist and they will take you out in a straight jacket for sure! lmao.....just nod and be as agreeable as possible. Answer questions calmly without showing hostility. Just smile and thank them when they "offer advice". You can drop all the f-bombs you want once you hang up the phone or close the door. I wonder, do you have any "before" videos to show what your little guy was like before you "turned into a lunatic" ?

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:50 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

wow! thank you Guy that sounds like really great advice. I have been able to borrow money for a lawyer and I did go to my worthless ped, who actually did stick up for me. shocking.

I know my sons teachers will say only good things about me...really my only enemy is myself as every time I open my mouth I sound like a crazy person.

so I just have to try and act like a happy calm soccer mom on some antidepressant and I will be Ok I think.

either way it is devastating but I cant show my emotion..

channa not showing emotion is kind of an oxymoron.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:31 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

yes Heidi and I do get overzealous and want to share with people what i know. and it sucks cuz I feel like where would i be if some warrior mom hadnt shared with me?

but im not in the position to be sharing with anyone that has my name or adress. no diffrent then the salem witch trials. the attitude of people that is.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:02 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT child protective services

I agree with Heidi N.. be very careful who you confide in when talking about alternative treatments. What you say can be turned against you. I stupidly learned this the hard way and my son almost got kicked out of school. Why? because he tested postiive for HHV6 (also known as Roseola which, mind you, most kids test positive for) and I told this confidentially to his SPED teacher (silly me, for thinking I could trust). Next thing you know I get a call from the school nurse insisting on a letter from my son's doctor or else quarantine my son. All over a common virus that just about every kid gets!!!

Paranoia strikes deep. Very deep

Trust noone (except autism parents of course : )

Subject: Re: OT child protective servicesTo: mb12valtrex Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 11:47 AM

In my state, they don't go by dirty houses any more, but I do agree that you have to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL on what you tell others. I bring doc notes into the school from my kids' docs. There are autism recovery docs out there that take Medicaid, but I do know there are not many. Don't get caught up on this list of understanding moms and think others want to learn and understand as well. They don't. Since all my kids tested allergic to wheat and dairy, I could have used their regular doc. It's not really the allergy though; it's the inability to digest casein and gluten, but don't even try to go there. I once did bring in a scientific study showing how gluten makes kids act "out-of-it" or "drugged-out". They read it and actually honored it. So, dig up your research girl. Print out the research and show it to them. Google "autism phenols abstract" "autism gluten abstract" or just

"autism gluten" ,etc. Show them the news reports, research, etc. And I'll be most kids who can't digest casein and gluten will also test positive. So, get some allergy testing and go to www.generationrescue.org and get some local information on docs and services.Love and prayers,Heidi NI have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

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you know that is something I really wish i had....videos of before and after...he was evaluated by a speechtherapist...and she went on and on how happy he was and the only issues she saw was poor attention span...she said no way he had any signs of autism...but then again if you catch him when he is dealing with bacteria it is diffrent story...like now...i know bacteria is coming up again.... but it could be the stress of seeing me so upset this last week...so he is acting more aggressive and OCD.

but i got people im sure will write me letters...and my sons pre school teacher is into natural health stuff not to my extent but she is understanding of his diet and stuff

channa

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 1:28 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

Do NOT, I repeat: Do NOT try to sound like a soccer mom.....especially a CALM one - they do not exist and they will take you out in a straight jacket for sure! lmao.....just nod and be as agreeable as possible. Answer questions calmly without showing hostility. Just smile and thank them when they "offer advice". You can drop all the f-bombs you want once you hang up the phone or close the door. I wonder, do you have any "before" videos to show what your little guy was like before you "turned into a lunatic" ?

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:50 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

wow! thank you Guy that sounds like really great advice. I have been able to borrow money for a lawyer and I did go to my worthless ped, who actually did stick up for me. shocking.

I know my sons teachers will say only good things about me...really my only enemy is myself as every time I open my mouth I sound like a crazy person.

so I just have to try and act like a happy calm soccer mom on some antidepressant and I will be Ok I think.

either way it is devastating but I cant show my emotion..

channa not showing emotion is kind of an oxymoron.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:31 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

WTF? Seriously WTF? but don't blame CPS, they are doing their 'job'. Blame the one who tipped them. The hell know what they were talking about. Could you get yourself a parent advocate? And as others have mentioned a letter from a medical professional would certainly help.

And I feel like, in such case, I will handle case little politely than acting loudly. These days law and enforcement officials are above god in everything, so talk very very carefully.This so pisses me off. They know a hoot about how to treat our kids so just leave things to us, we care about our kids lot more than the society does. Society merely gives a lip-service.

My best wishes are with you,Noel

 

well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.

I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.

they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.

I am spilling this private info because I think it is so important

we all know how the other half lives..

when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to admit that.

but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.

I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child?

anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.

channa

[Guest guest]

Channa,I'm so sorry you are going through this crap - as if your life isn't difficult enough, right?I read that you mentioned your son's teacher is writing a letter. Good! Can his therapists at school do so, as well? Has your son ever had any dietary infractions, and the school personnel witness the aftermath of it (bowel issues or behavior)? Maybe that can be mentioned?(((Hugs))) and prayers are with you!



1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry, Channa. I still have your printed words of encouragement right

here in front of me. My experiences have not been as horrifying as yours, but I

do hate a clueless busybody. My gossipy coworker, who has no kids, went to my

boss and said my office had become messy since my daughter's diagnosis. My boss,

being a spineless nobody, relayed it to me and said, " Are your personal problems

getting in the way of your work? " I said, " No, constantly being talked about by

this woman is getting in the way of my work. " And this woman is so loud and fake

and obnoxious.

The other day, at the local mall play area for the kids, my daughter kept

insisting on opening the emergency exit door, so I had to block it with my body.

Then, she moved on to mouthing a play structure. Right in front of me, this

other Mom gave my beautiful daughter the evil look of death, which is still

bugging me.

My house is dirty, too, because I spend every waking moment that I am not at my

job in recovering my daughter. Nothing else exists for me right now.

The only way out is through. I appreciate the support on this listserve

immensely, even though we each have our individual battle to fight with our

kids' autism. " You've got to walk that lonesome valley. / You've got to walk it

by yourself./ Ain't nobody here who'll walk it for you./ You've got to walk it

by yourself. "

[Guest guest]

Haha lunacy is the best place to beSent from my iPhone

Do NOT, I repeat: Do NOT try to sound like a soccer mom.....especially a CALM one - they do not exist and they will take you out in a straight jacket for sure! lmao.....just nod and be as agreeable as possible. Answer questions calmly without showing hostility. Just smile and thank them when they "offer advice". You can drop all the f-bombs you want once you hang up the phone or close the door. I wonder, do you have any "before" videos to show what your little guy was like before you "turned into a lunatic" ?

To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex >Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:50 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

wow! thank you Guy that sounds like really great advice. I have been able to borrow money for a lawyer and I did go to my worthless ped, who actually did stick up for me. shocking.

I know my sons teachers will say only good things about me...really my only enemy is myself as every time I open my mouth I sound like a crazy person.

so I just have to try and act like a happy calm soccer mom on some antidepressant and I will be Ok I think.

either way it is devastating but I cant show my emotion..

channa not showing emotion is kind of an oxymoron.

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:31 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?)

Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD).

As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners....You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.

AND

1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.

AND

2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)

Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause)

AND

3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.

AND

4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).

You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.

I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).