Re: Digest Number 6250 - OT Child protective services

November 9, 2011

Dear Channa and Supporters,

Well, you certainly hit a nerve with everyone on here Channa, who feels alone and scared most of the time! I have been through the CPS route myself, as a single mother in an affluent neighborhood (meaner, I swear) with an autistic daughter. I think my story may help or give you some hope.

I was also terrified beyond belief and felt my whole was crashing down. As much trouble as our unique tikes bring us, I don't think any of us can imagine having them taken from us. Luckily, I took my fear and jumped into action. I could have easily gone into a depression and dug my head in the sand!

Here is my advise after having several CPS visits. #1) Enlist having calm, intelligent supportive friends (or family) present when they come to visit. Have your friends take notes, and re-direct conversations if they feel you are answering incorrectly, which is easy to do when you are under so much stress. #2) Have a letter from some sort of doctor regarding your childs autism or ADHD. (I found that it didn't matter whether the doctor was mainstream or not, as long as the state recognized their credentials). Have a reciept or a brochure from some class your child participates in for their autism (which shows that not only your child is being treated, but that they are high-maintenance <they have more trouble placing, and therefore dislike taking, high maintenance children>. This has the added benefit of showing that you are an attentive parent

attending to the particular needs of your child. If you aren't attending a class, I suggest you find one for this particular purpose, plus it will put you in touch with like-minded parents and professionals! #3) Clean the main walk in area of your home all the way to the kitchen of your home. Throw stuff in closets and any cabinets. Do NOT hide kid toys. CPS spent a lot of time going through my kitchen. They were looking for an ample supply of foods the child could eat, child like toys, drugs or alcohol I believe... #4) Remember this is not a time to share... This is a time to appear as kind, calm, normal and likeable as possible.

I was lucky, or well prepared, I don't know, but the investigator told me she didn't believe a word of what she had heard (from a counselor and principal from my daughter's mainstream school, no less). She told me that I needed to find a way to befriend these people that were out to harm me, and explained that her 'non-record report' would stay in my file for one year in my state, but would be removed if no future calls were placed to her agency. Big Lesson #2) Do not share this information with any but the closest of friends and family. My ex-boyfriend made sure to call before the year was up. Follow-up visits are more intrusive... but follow steps #1 through #4... and remember to tell them that the 'child' the wonderful, wonderful child, is autistic, and that normal rules do not always work. Good luck to you! ~ 's

mommy

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Re: OT child protective services

Posted by: " Seraphine" karen@... karenseraphine

Tue Nov 8, 2011 11:58 am (PST)

Channa,I'm so sorry you are going through this crap - as if your life isn't difficult enough, right?I read that you mentioned your son's teacher is writing a letter. Good! Can his therapists at school do so, as well? Has your son ever had any dietary infractions, and the school personnel witness the aftermath of it (bowel issues or behavior)? Maybe that can be mentioned?(((Hugs))) and prayers are with you!> ï»¿> > 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which MD you can approach?) > > Lacking an

alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD). > > As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners. ...You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.> > AND> > 1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.> > AND> > 2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician (!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and

home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)> > Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause) > > AND> > 3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.> > AND> > 4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).> > You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.> > I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).> > > >

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Posted by: "Mel" melpersion@... melpersion

Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:05 pm (PST)

I am so sorry, Channa. I still have your printed words of encouragement right here in front of me. My experiences have not been as horrifying as yours, but I do hate a clueless busybody. My gossipy coworker, who has no kids, went to my boss and said my office had become messy since my daughter's diagnosis. My boss, being a spineless nobody, relayed it to me and said, "Are your personal problems getting in the way of your work?" I said, "No, constantly being talked about by this woman is getting in the way of my work." And this woman is so loud and fake and obnoxious. The other day, at the local mall play area for the kids, my daughter kept insisting on opening the emergency exit door, so I had to block it with my body. Then, she moved on to mouthing a play structure. Right in front of me, this other Mom gave my beautiful daughter the evil look

of death, which is still bugging me. My house is dirty, too, because I spend every waking moment that I am not at my job in recovering my daughter. Nothing else exists for me right now. The only way out is through. I appreciate the support on this listserve immensely, even though we each have our individual battle to fight with our kids' autism. "You've got to walk that lonesome valley. / You've got to walk it by yourself./ Ain't nobody here who'll walk it for you./ You've got to walk it by yourself."

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Re: OT child protective services

Posted by: "Tendai" tendaimatambanadzo@... tendaimatambanadzo

Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:15 pm (PST)

Haha lunacy is the best place to beSent from my iPhoneOn 8 Nov 2011, at 18:28, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:> Do NOT, I repeat: Do NOT try to sound like a soccer mom.....especially a CALM one - they do not exist and they will take you out in a straight jacket for sure! lmao.....just nod and be as agreeable as possible. Answer questions calmly without showing hostility. Just smile and thank them when they "offer advice". You can drop all the f-bombs you want once you hang up the phone or close the door. I wonder, do you have any "before" videos to show what your little guy was like before you "turned into a lunatic" ?> > From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@ yahoo.com>> To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:50 AM> Subject: Re: OT child protective services> > > wow! thank you Guy that sounds like really great advice. I have been able to borrow money for a lawyer and I did go to my worthless ped, who actually did stick up for me. shocking.> I know my sons teachers will say only good things about me...really my only enemy is myself as every time I open my mouth I sound like a crazy person.> so I

just have to try and act like a happy calm soccer mom on some antidepressant and I will be Ok I think.> either way it is devastating but I cant show my emotion..> channa not showing emotion is kind of an oxymoron.> > > To: mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:31 AM> Subject: Re: OT child protective services> > > ï»¿> 1. If it were me, I'd want a local MD to vouch for me in writing as to what I'm doing with my child and also the result of a physical examination that concludes no abuse or neglect (use CPS phrasing) (Got a local healthfood store or other similar place to ask about which

MD you can approach?) > > Lacking an alt-supportive MD (but hopefully with a positive exam), I'd prepare a bullet-point document that lists supportive opinions by MDs ONLY with internet links (actually, this may help gather a local MD). > > As hypocritical as it might seem, I'd avoid citing any alternative practitioners. ...You are in a war here not a recruiting campaign. You need to present as "normal" and mainstream as possible.> > AND> > 1B. Is there an MD / pediatrician who treated your child previously (even if not supportive of alt stuff) who would see him again and write a letter that kid is about "where" he would expect him and no signs of abuse or neglect.> > AND> > 2. I'd gather written statements from local people licensed in the childcare business; a church; local people with some "credential" that ads credibility to their opinions (attorney, local politician

(!) etc. as to the care you take of your child and home, your particular challenges etc (you need to hit your challeges hard)> > Again, perhaps hypocritically (I don't know your beliefs), but IN ANY CASE I'd shop for a church that would write a supportive letter about what they observed, your challenges, and no abuse or neglect evidenced. Ideally it would be one that has local credibility (Biker Bob's mail-order ordination that he uses to perform marriages won't help your cause) > > AND> > 3. I'd get a couple of written statements from non-relative "everyday folks" that know about yada yada.> > AND> > 4. Last (and most weak) - letter(s) from relative(s).> > You need to respond strongly ASAP so that CPS decides to leave you alone.> > I've fought these vipers a couple of times over child custody and homeschooling here in CA (and won).> >

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Re: OT child protective services

Posted by: " Aronson" sailcharters@... sailcharters

Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:33 pm (PST)

Channa, yes, it's hard enough on us never mind the added stress of being reported to CPS. I always say "We are good parents in an extreme parenting situation". Confession time: Last year, I had the unfortunate experience of someone (I haven't a clue who) making an anonymous complaint b'/c my son eloped on my husband even though we had the house locked. He's a smart little kids and knows how to get out. It literally happened the day after school let out. My husband was watching him day when my son took off. I was at work at the time. This incident resulted in me getting a letter and a visit CSP. I felt angry and humiliated b/c I bust my hump for my son (we all do). Fortunately, the person who came was very

experienced not a rooky. I was very calm and spoke carefully. He wanted to see the home, the locks on the door, the backyard area. He had a lot of questions which I calmly answered. I had my sister and mother there for support. I highly encourage you to have someone there to support you. They spoke up and defended me and told them all the good things that I do as a mom and how dedicated I am. Based on that meeting he closed the case. It was scary as hell that someone can anonymously report you. As another poster said stay calm and bring someone for support. You'll get through this. >well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.>I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.>they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe

could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son alone.>I am spilling this private info because I think it is so important>we all know how the other half lives..>when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to admit that.>but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are

wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.>I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? >anyways any single parents out their never never mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!>or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.>channa>>

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Posted by: "Channa Brennon" channabrennon@... channabrennon

Tue Nov 8, 2011 4:39 pm (PST)

thats it! we can be a couple of crazy mommas with our ANGRY eyes on.....and we just yell and scream at people and show them our angry ANGRY EYES!hehe channa____________ _________ _________ __From: tendai Matambanadzo <tendaimatambanadzo@ yahoo.co. uk>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:25 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services

not sure i will nid either the alcohol or the heroin, i will just have to let go of myself control and i be there!!!!____________ _________ _________ __From: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 15:07Subject: Re: OT child protective services ! you got my angry eyes! LOL! love you girlfriend and big hug to you..yes it would seem fighting autism is a fight that just keeps goin and goin...the social

worker asked me if i ever drank even socially,and I said never not even one drop. even if i had a sitter I honestly would rather sleep then go out.but I made the mistake of telling her when my son is grown and recovered I plan on becoming an alcoholic. maybe heroin too not sure yet.I know it was the WRONG thing to say but sometimes I dont know when to hold my hand over my mouth.the truth is ...the way I feel if I had no children to care for I would gladly become a crazy alcoholic woman screaming at the walls. but then again no one can understand how much i have earned the right to do that after what ive gone thru. and if i thought their was a foster home that would spend all their time writing journals on his behavior and food intake and cook everything from scratch and organic and spend two hundred dollars a month on biomed and would have the endless patience it takes when we are dealing with pathogen die off ect. well

i would gladly let someone else other then crazy momma take over. but who will do that job? only crazy momma. so if crazy momma wants to be a heroin addict in 15 years when my son is recovered dammit that is my right. i actually see myself more as a screaming alcoholic thou. more my styleFrom: tendai Matambanadzo <tendaimatambanadzo@ yahoo.co. uk>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:24 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services Oh

my dear ChannaFirst and foremost stay strong your MAD sista is praying for u and has uo back. I have a seven mth old and a three yr old turning four in Dec and my house is always a mess!! I can not seem to get on top of things cause of course we are now on a SCD and this leaves me married to the kitchen sink.These pple would not know what hit them unless it was one of their kids, I guess the question u have to pose to them is if it was one of their kids would they not put them on a diet to get them even 2% better?? and excuse my language what the FU.......K are they wasting time and money investiagating a D........M diet issue on your behalf i say to them FUCK OFFF and go FUCKEN find all the other pervs they do not even bother to look into!!!!!!! WANKERRRRRRRRS what the FUCK!!!!!!am sure GOD will forgive me but this pisses me offfff no end!!!!I wish we could report the pharmacutical companies and doctors for the vaccine con, here

in the UK our GP surgeries get paid bonuses if they can have at least 70% of their patients vaccinated, now imagine that!!!!you stay strong show them all the research behind everything you r giving uo son and why, try showing them how very different he would be and how much more far behind he would be, and how the state will have to be helping in terms of respite and the like, but only for your efforts and out of and your own time and own money you are bring him back from something that in future would have cost the state even more money.I pray u r seen by someone with some common sense and who will see how wonderful u r to him and leave u alone( may be give u help to keep uo house clean, haha, God knows i nid three ppl)my dear have a laugh at it, it seems to me that this autism devil fights you all the way, as it seems to want to keep our kids, and when we go to get them back it finds ways to fight back fear, uncertainty.

money,famaily, doctors and now it seems even socialworkers, but stand strong and tell that devil u got uo son and it can not ve him back and we will all keep pulling our kids out of that hell!!!Love u hugs galoFrom: Channa Brennon <channabrennon@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011, 12:24Subject: Re: OT child protective services oh dang. I did not expect this type of response...thank you so much Rosetta and it really does my heart good to

be treated like a sane woman. when people question me as a mother it makes me question myself. .and I doubt everything I do and have been doin for my son. I know my son became adhd is no longer considered autistic because of what I have done. but.... being interrogated by the police does terrible things to a person.thank you guys means more then i can say.channaFrom: Rosetta Pittorino-bath <rpittorinobath@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday,

November 8, 2011 2:46 AMSubject: Re: OT child protective services Hi Channa, I'm from Australia this happen to a single Mum from Sydney.I cannot believe it she was from a small country town. So it seems they do it all over the world. You are right we need to be selective about who we share our information and beliefs. We were warned about who we speak to as they are also targeting our Bio Med Doctorsnaturopaths etc...Channa you fight and do whatever you need to do.From accross the board i am sendingyou {{{{HUGS}}}} and all the positive energy to get through yet another uphill battle.You take care be kind to yourself. Rosetta from Oz From: <meganscott624@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Tuesday, 8 November 2011 3:31 PMSubject: Re: OT child protective services This is horrible Channa! I am sorry to hear this! I just finished writing a support letter for Dr. Anju Usman (a DAN dr) who has been vilified in the press in the Chicago area and now has a lawsuit against her to take her medical license away. It seems so many Americans are ignorant and scared of alternative medicine. Very sad situation!! Keep your chin up! From: channabrennon <channabrennon@ yahoo.com>To: mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:54 PMSubject: OT child protective services well the crazy lady is back. I am dealing with a horrible situation that has caused me to put my biomed book on hold.I am being investigated by child protective services because someone told them I starve my son by with holding dairy bread and fruit.they also said i have a dirty house. I would bet most moms on this forum maybe could have the same thing said about them at one time or another, but as I live in the ghetto and am a single mom...it is not common practice biomed in these parts. I dont have the protection of a DAM docter or family to vouch for me so I must prove I am fit to care for my son

alone.I am spilling this private info because I think it is so importantwe all know how the other half lives..when people hear CPS they assume it is something the parent did wrong..they cant fathom that we would have a corrupt system such as CPS..but there is a lot of corruption involved..and no one expecially any cps workers want to admit that.but I want to remind you all that when we tell people docters are harming children with their vaccines how is the reaction of mainstream society??? people dont believe us.!!!!!!! so I beg you all to think about how CPS is treating many single parents who have sick kids . and that just like the docters are wrong in their belief in vaccine safety.. cps is wrong in many of their cases against parents.I have heard the arguement they are there to help the child...but how can they help the child when they dont know what is best for the child? anyways any single parents out their never never

mention your kids diet to anyone!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!or you have a chance to be investigated by CPS expecially if your house is dirty.channa

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Posted by: "" lambspeed@... speed.melissa

Tue Nov 8, 2011 6:20 pm (PST)

Channa,I am so, so sorry and sending you all of my prayers for getting out of any issues!!!! Remember your own advice- picture these people (police, CPS) out of your life, picture the case closing, picture them all moving on their way.You have my heart and my support,> **>>> I'm not sure about it... But just wanted to mention that when my teen> "neurotipical" son was little, most of the vaccines he got was in drops> under the tongue or just in the mouth and they were separated from one to> the other, He never had a bad reaction, he would become stronger after a> week or so...I'd been asking for this kind of "individual" and oral> vaccines now and the doctor tells me they are not fabricated like that>

anymore, now they are all in shots (mostly)... I know you didn't ask for> vaccines but your post reminded me of the vaccines given by mouth, with a> more natural way to get the disease and the body reacts as it is suppose> to, in order to attack the foreign "intruder" and making antibodies agains> it... Maybe your doctor already knows the measles level in your sons body> and that is why he is recommending that.>> Sasha> ------------ --------- ---------> *From:* Ken Stika <ken.stika (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>> *To:* "mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> *Sent:* Monday, November 7, 2011 7:38:54 PM> *Subject:* MEASLES ANTIBODIES as a CURE>>> My Doctor suggests taking the measles antibodies for my son.>> No other information provided. It's a clear liquid that is given under> the tongue.>> Anybody heard of this?>>> >-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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This.I love it when we can get solid, direct advice that can actually be implemented.I'm sorry you had to go through this, 's mommy, but you've definitely been able to pass on very good directions and things to think about. Thank you.

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