Re: anyone not on fish oil/mary

August 3, 2006

,

Thanks for the info. Aidan does have sensory issues around feeding,

partly a s a result of severe reflux which causes him to gag and

vomit often. We are working intensely on his feeding issues in the

hopes that we can put it behind us and focus on other things.

What would the dose be for a 19 mo?

thanks

Carolyn

> >

> > No disrespect Carolyn, but...

> >

> > asking who doesn't give their child fish oil, is always a funny

> > question to me. I once spoke to a parent who proudly told me

that

> > she doesn't want to give her child fish oil because she wants to

do

> > it the " natural way " with just therapy...since when is fish oil

not

> > natural?

> >

> > Fish oil is a food supplement that contains Essential Fatty Acids

> > (EFAs) that our bodies need to survive, and yet our bodies can't

> > produce them so we need to consume them in our diet. But...most

of

> > the foods we consume today or feed our children are virtually

> > lacking in EFAs.

> > (And (bad) saturated fats trans fats (like french fries)

compromise

> the effectiveness of the (good) polyunsaturated fatty acids (EFAs)

> >

> > No research on EFAs? Best let the NIH know so they can add that

to

> > their educational site (and let them know their EFA awareness

> > campaign is not working based on your MD's response)

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> >

> > EFAs have been added to infant formula and food for a

reason...may

> > want to listen to this http://videocast.nih.gov/ram/omega6.ram

(from

> > the NIH EFA Education site)

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/mother.html

> > http://aapnews.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/20/5/209

> >

> > " This past year, new infant formulas were introduced which are

> supplemented with DHA and ARA, which are found in breast milk and

are

> thought to help with an infant's development. Brands of these

> supplemented formula include Enfamil Lipil, Similac Advance, and

> Nestle Good Start Supreme DHA & ARA.

> >

> > Soy formulas and premature formulas with DHA and ARA have also

> recently been introduced.

> >

> > A formula with DHA and ARA is likely a good choice if your infant

> isn't breastfeeding and you want to give a formula that is most

like

> breastmilk to help with their development. "

> > http://www.keepkidshealthy.com/infant/infant_formula.html

> >

> > " I have been calling for these ingredients in US formulas here at

> DrGreene.com since 1996. These nutrients are naturally found in

breast

> milk and have been shown to support infant mental and visual

> development. Formula containing DHA and ARA has been fed to babies

> around the world for more than five years "

> > http://www.drgreene.com/21_903.html

> >

> > " DHA and ARA, important nutrients that are found naturally in

breast

> milk, have been shown to support babies' brain and eye development.

> And Beech-Nut First Advantage is the only brand of baby food to

have

> these important nutrients. "

> > http://www.beechnut.com/DHA%20ARA/index.asp

> >

> > EFAs are added to eggs, milk, ice cream, mayonnaise (etc.) so if

> > afraid of fish oil and don't want to give your child formula and

> > baby food you can try...

> > http://www.egglandsbest.com/egglandsbest/ego3.html

> > http://hdlighthouse.org/see/diet/fishoilicecream.htm

> > http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=51660-fresh-milk-

with

> > http://www.organickingdom.com/co101.html

> >

> > And from 2002 till today it just gets better -new news:

> >

> > Fish oil may lead to smart babies

> > From: AAP

> > " WOMEN who take fish oil during pregnancy may give birth to

children

> > with improved hand-eye coordination, language skills and

behavior,

> > an Australian study has found. "

> > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19851298-29277,00.html

> >

> > " Cure-all is good for baby too "

> > http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=27 & ContentID=1382

> >

> > To me fish oil is not an option -outside of allergies it's a

must.

> > Why force a child through years of therapy that could be

> > accelerated? Why when fish oil is an option that is inexpensive

and

> > healthy which has results in a day to three weeks almost across

the

> > board. I'm glad most try it to see what I already know and have

for

> > years...

> > http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html

> >

> > Just a note...there is a small % the EFAs don't work for.

> > But there's always hope...just takes a bit longer.

> >

> > For a child with a speech impairment, especially apraxia -one

thing

> > agreed by all that is not optional is therapy. Your child will

> > require appropriate speech and most likely occupational therapy.

The

> > difference between the EFA supplemented apraxic children and the

non

> > EFA supplemented apraxic children is the amount of time (much

> > shorter with EFAs) -how extreme the surge (much greater with

EFAs) -

> > and how often (much more often with EFAs). And again -without

EFAs

> > the prognosis isn't always as bright and takes

> > l.......o........n..........g. When my son Tanner was first

> > diagnosed apraxic and EFAs were not widely used -the prognosis

for

> > an apraxic child was grim...and you'll even find in the group

today

> > members with essentially non verbal older children and teens who

are

> first trying EFAs who

> > still require hours a week of intensive therapy....the fish oil

> > group still may require some speech therapy -but they blend and

in

> > most cases by kindergarten. And...take most off and they

regress -

> > or stop progressing. Now that's scary -but no more scary then

> > taking vitamin C away from those that have scurvy.

> > http://drmirkin.com/nutrition/N247.html There may be a need that

> > the EFAs fill -may be that simple.

> >

> > Why fish oil I want to know too. Why not chocolate...or a food

most

> > are not afraid of that are on " kids menus " all over the place -

> > french fries. And speaking of fear...why fear fish oil when they

> > have the recipe for how to make " fast food " french fries at

home -

> > now that's scary!

> >

> > Special Tools:

> > Deep fryer

> > French Fry Cutter (or patience for cutting potatoes)

> >

> > Ingredients:

> > 2 large Idaho russett potatoes

> > 1/4 cup sugar

> > 2 Tablespoons corn syrup

> > 1½-2 cups hot water

> > 6 cups Crisco® shortening

> > 1/4 cup beef lard (or save the fat from previously cooked

burgers)

> > salt

> >

> http://www.recipecircus.com/recipes/Magnolias/BEANS-SPUDS-

YAMS/Mc39s_Famous_French_Fries.html

> >

> > And for the majority of those afraid of fish oils...the above

potato

> > is sugared, larded up and fried in deep oil so it can be fed to a

> > child without a blink. How warped is our world huh?!

> >

> > So again for a moment of sanity, may want to watch

> > http://videocast.nih.gov/ram/omega6.ram

> >

> > And I guess it's best for those on fish oil if not 'everyone' is

on

> them (our kids have the edge!)

> >

> > News I like to call " Hey I guess I wasn't kidding

> > about fish oil giving Tanner a head's up in school! " :

> > " Fish oil can improve kids' spelling skills and stop them missing

> > school, according to a new research. "

> > http://news.sawf.org/Health/17159.aspx

> >

> > Pretty cool huh?

> >

> > =====

> >

August 3, 2006

Just a thought...sometimes reflux and gag/choking is the result of food

allergies (like celiac disease or eosinophilic gastritis)...especially at 19

months. (Reflux is common in infants but usually resolves by 6-8 months). My

middle child - now 5 years old and thriving, actually had an acute life

threatening event at 2 months of age where he choked after refluxing

breastmilk, his vocal cords closed (largygospasm) and he passed out, turned

grey. Very scary. Turns out his reflux was all due to food allergies, and

once identified - the reflux resolved - completely. It returns as vomiting

even to this day if he eats something he is allergic to. My youngest apraxic

kiddo, now nearly 3 years had terrible problems with reflux, vomiting,

choking and larygospasm too the first few days/weeks of life - but since we

were seasoned pros - I went on my older son's elimination diet in case

allergens were passing through the breastmilk (when he was 3 weeks

old)...and sure enough within a week, the crankiest, colicy baby I had ever

met became happy, calm, slept better, and stopped choking. It was wonderful.

I nursed him until he was 24 months...right around the time we identified

him as apraxic.

If you have a toddler still having choking/reflux at nearly 2 - I suggest

you find a good allergist. When we eliminated gluten/milk/soy from my son's

diet his chronic abdominal pain, daily vomiting, diarrhea resolved.

Unfortunately he developmed a rice and garlic allergy by age 3 (since

everything was rice based and we used a ton of garlic) - not unusual for

kids to develop more allergies to a food that is eaten constantly. His

younger brother is only allergic to gluten and milk - so milder than his

brother. He also has asthma (common with food allergies), and again, milder.

We suspect we minimized things by addressing this early in his life.

Milk and gluten (soy and eggs are next) - are the most common culprits.

Google eosinophilic gastritis and see if the symptoms resemble your child.

It may be worth tring a really bland hypoallergenic diet. Usually kids

respond within a week once an allergen is removed form the diet. -

[ ] Re: anyone not on fish oil/mary

,

Thanks for the info. Aidan does have sensory issues around feeding,

partly a s a result of severe reflux which causes him to gag and

vomit often. We are working intensely on his feeding issues in the

hopes that we can put it behind us and focus on other things.

What would the dose be for a 19 mo?

thanks

Carolyn

August 4, 2006

,

Thanks for the info. Aidan does have sensory issues around feeding,

partly a s a result of severe reflux which causes him to gag and

vomit often. We are working intensely on his feeding issues in the

hopes that we can put it behind us and focus on other things.

What would the dose be for a 19 mo?

thanks

Carolyn

> >

> > No disrespect Carolyn, but...

> >

> > asking who doesn't give their child fish oil, is always a funny

> > question to me. I once spoke to a parent who proudly told me

that

> > she doesn't want to give her child fish oil because she wants to

do

> > it the " natural way " with just therapy...since when is fish oil

not

> > natural?

> >

> > Fish oil is a food supplement that contains Essential Fatty Acids

> > (EFAs) that our bodies need to survive, and yet our bodies can't

> > produce them so we need to consume them in our diet. But...most

of

> > the foods we consume today or feed our children are virtually

> > lacking in EFAs.

> > (And (bad) saturated fats trans fats (like french fries)

compromise

> the effectiveness of the (good) polyunsaturated fatty acids (EFAs)

> >

> > No research on EFAs? Best let the NIH know so they can add that

to

> > their educational site (and let them know their EFA awareness

> > campaign is not working based on your MD's response)

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/

> >

> > EFAs have been added to infant formula and food for a

reason...may

> > want to listen to this http://videocast.nih.gov/ram/omega6.ram

(from

> > the NIH EFA Education site)

> > http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/mother.html

> > http://aapnews.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/20/5/209

> >

> > " This past year, new infant formulas were introduced which are

> supplemented with DHA and ARA, which are found in breast milk and

are

> thought to help with an infant's development. Brands of these

> supplemented formula include Enfamil Lipil, Similac Advance, and

> Nestle Good Start Supreme DHA & ARA.

> >

> > Soy formulas and premature formulas with DHA and ARA have also

> recently been introduced.

> >

> > A formula with DHA and ARA is likely a good choice if your infant

> isn't breastfeeding and you want to give a formula that is most

like

> breastmilk to help with their development. "

> > http://www.keepkidshealthy.com/infant/infant_formula.html

> >

> > " I have been calling for these ingredients in US formulas here at

> DrGreene.com since 1996. These nutrients are naturally found in

breast

> milk and have been shown to support infant mental and visual

> development. Formula containing DHA and ARA has been fed to babies

> around the world for more than five years "

> > http://www.drgreene.com/21_903.html

> >

> > " DHA and ARA, important nutrients that are found naturally in

breast

> milk, have been shown to support babies' brain and eye development.

> And Beech-Nut First Advantage is the only brand of baby food to

have

> these important nutrients. "

> > http://www.beechnut.com/DHA%20ARA/index.asp

> >

> > EFAs are added to eggs, milk, ice cream, mayonnaise (etc.) so if

> > afraid of fish oil and don't want to give your child formula and

> > baby food you can try...

> > http://www.egglandsbest.com/egglandsbest/ego3.html

> > http://hdlighthouse.org/see/diet/fishoilicecream.htm

> > http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?id=51660-fresh-milk-

with

> > http://www.organickingdom.com/co101.html

> >

> > And from 2002 till today it just gets better -new news:

> >

> > Fish oil may lead to smart babies

> > From: AAP

> > " WOMEN who take fish oil during pregnancy may give birth to

children

> > with improved hand-eye coordination, language skills and

behavior,

> > an Australian study has found. "

> > http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19851298-29277,00.html

> >

> > " Cure-all is good for baby too "

> > http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=27 & ContentID=1382

> >

> > To me fish oil is not an option -outside of allergies it's a

must.

> > Why force a child through years of therapy that could be

> > accelerated? Why when fish oil is an option that is inexpensive

and

> > healthy which has results in a day to three weeks almost across

the

> > board. I'm glad most try it to see what I already know and have

for

> > years...

> > http://www.cherab.org/information/dietaryeffects/Englemed.html

> >

> > Just a note...there is a small % the EFAs don't work for.

> > But there's always hope...just takes a bit longer.

> >

> > For a child with a speech impairment, especially apraxia -one

thing

> > agreed by all that is not optional is therapy. Your child will

> > require appropriate speech and most likely occupational therapy.

The

> > difference between the EFA supplemented apraxic children and the

non

> > EFA supplemented apraxic children is the amount of time (much

> > shorter with EFAs) -how extreme the surge (much greater with

EFAs) -

> > and how often (much more often with EFAs). And again -without

EFAs

> > the prognosis isn't always as bright and takes

> > l.......o........n..........g. When my son Tanner was first

> > diagnosed apraxic and EFAs were not widely used -the prognosis

for

> > an apraxic child was grim...and you'll even find in the group

today

> > members with essentially non verbal older children and teens who

are

> first trying EFAs who

> > still require hours a week of intensive therapy....the fish oil

> > group still may require some speech therapy -but they blend and

in

> > most cases by kindergarten. And...take most off and they

regress -

> > or stop progressing. Now that's scary -but no more scary then

> > taking vitamin C away from those that have scurvy.

> > http://drmirkin.com/nutrition/N247.html There may be a need that

> > the EFAs fill -may be that simple.

> >

> > Why fish oil I want to know too. Why not chocolate...or a food

most

> > are not afraid of that are on " kids menus " all over the place -

> > french fries. And speaking of fear...why fear fish oil when they

> > have the recipe for how to make " fast food " french fries at

home -

> > now that's scary!

> >

> > Special Tools:

> > Deep fryer

> > French Fry Cutter (or patience for cutting potatoes)

> >

> > Ingredients:

> > 2 large Idaho russett potatoes

> > 1/4 cup sugar

> > 2 Tablespoons corn syrup

> > 1½-2 cups hot water

> > 6 cups Crisco® shortening

> > 1/4 cup beef lard (or save the fat from previously cooked

burgers)

> > salt

> >

> http://www.recipecircus.com/recipes/Magnolias/BEANS-SPUDS-

YAMS/Mc39s_Famous_French_Fries.html

> >

> > And for the majority of those afraid of fish oils...the above

potato

> > is sugared, larded up and fried in deep oil so it can be fed to a

> > child without a blink. How warped is our world huh?!

> >

> > So again for a moment of sanity, may want to watch

> > http://videocast.nih.gov/ram/omega6.ram

> >

> > And I guess it's best for those on fish oil if not 'everyone' is

on

> them (our kids have the edge!)

> >

> > News I like to call " Hey I guess I wasn't kidding

> > about fish oil giving Tanner a head's up in school! " :

> > " Fish oil can improve kids' spelling skills and stop them missing

> > school, according to a new research. "

> > http://news.sawf.org/Health/17159.aspx

> >

> > Pretty cool huh?

> >

> > =====

> >

August 4, 2006