binders was: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on surfactants)

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,

We've used Pectasol in the past, it's a good binder. I have not personally used

Trufiber so can't really comment much but it seems to me that anything named

Trufiber would be good because fiber & prebiotics are good...

Chelation itself can be pretty tricky on the gut...the metals dump alone can

kick up yeast...this time of year w/all the holiday sweets (we barely get past

Halloween candy then on to the Thanksgiving & Christmas treats...tough time on

all of us to keep the extra sugar that feeds yeast under some kind of control

)

I've done many years of chelation, as I've said the highest levels of chelation

I've reached is adding the surfactants (Immusist) which is a safe effective way

to both support & detox because your body is picking what it wants to work

on...knowing what I know my personal recommendation would be to not add the

other chelators yet, stay on the Pectasol...if he's done chlorella ok, add some

back into the protocol (don't add new things together) & let the surfactants do

their job starting at 1 drop a day w/full glass of water then 3-4 days later if

he is tolerating move to 1 drop 2x a day each w/a full glass of water...then low

& slow ramp up to no more than 3 drops 2-3 times a day.

We have done well w/Pau d'Arco & my son does not deal w/ VitK issues so I don't

feel qualified to really help you much w/that....I would say that many issues

incl vit/min derrangement are being turned around w/the Immusist (we're talking

6-12 months not 2 weeks...documented w/labs)....so I'd put the Immusist &

whatever antifungal protocol you are doing before starting him on anything else

unknown.

Blessings,

Rita

> >> > >

> >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> >> > experience.

> >> > > Â

> >> > > -Tammy

> >> > >

> >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> >> >

> >

> >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> >> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> >> > surfactants)

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Â

> >> > >

> >> > > Hi,

> >> > >

> >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product and

> >> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long

does

> >> > one have to use it for?

> >> > >

> >> > > Thank you very much,

> >> > >

> >> > > Deb

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> >> > > From: allrpossible@

> >> >

> >

> >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> >> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> >> > surfactants)

> >> > >

> >> > > Â

> >> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> >> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only started

> >> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better than

> >> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> >> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs told

> >> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things from

> >> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> >> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things

> >> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> >> > > each other.

> >> > >

> >> > > Love and prayers,

> >> > >

> >> > > Heidi N

> >> > >

> >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in this

> >> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they would

> >> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> >> > >

> >> > > Cathy

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >> --

> >> Cotter

> >> 4 Pollerton Manor

> >> Carlow

> >> 059 9134964

> >> 087 2637921

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Cotter

> 4Â Pollerton Manor

> Carlow

> 059 9134964

> 087 2637921

>

[Guest guest]

,

Since you further asked about binders, I wanted to repost for you message

#112878 I did in collaboration w/some other biomed moms that helps list binders.

You will find Pectasol right at the top under Chlorella....hope this further

helps you,

Blessings,

Rita

-------------

Binder, Detox & Organ supports:

List of Binders, Detox & Organ supports as put together by the LIA PARENT Group

(Not Docs!) (BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism) starts w/message # 18571 on

01/20/2010)

List of Binders -Stronger noted and on top: Blinders by nature absorb, mop up,

or suck up toxic acids. In most cases, they are fibers (plant), except for the

items that belong to the earth category such as clay, charcoal, and zeolite.

• Activated Charcoal: Stronger, take 2 hours away from any other supplements.

• Chlorella (Stronger, chelator & binder, a favorite & supplies minerals): Good

metal binder and helps prevent re-absorption of metals through the colon wall.

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/kinghardtdetox.htm (an antiviral, increases

glutathion, specific detoxifying proteins and peptides for every existing toxic

metal, the most easily absorbed and utilized form of B12, B6, minerals,

chlorophyll, beta carotene, digestive aid/bulking agent, alkalinizing agent).

BioPure Chlorella pyrenoidosa or CGF Chlorella (the CGF chlorella is often

tolerated better when you first start.

• Citrus pectin including Pectasol:

• Alfalfa

• Greens including Paleo Greens:

• Yucca:

• Alginates (also a chelator)

• Spirulina

• Lithium orotate or aspartate

• Milk thistle

• Artichoke

• Celery seed

• Broccoli sprouts

• Turmeric (anti-inflamatory)

• Ginger root (good helper of tummy issues)

• Buffered C

• Slippery elm bark powder: Slippery Elm bark powder and Marshmallow: Contain

calcium oxalates in low amounts, caution if on the SCD diet because of their

polysaccharide content and are " mucilaginous " and all mucilaginous herbs/bark

which are not allowed. See this article on the Great Plains Lab site regarding

oxalates and autism http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/oxalates/oxal-test.pdf

• Clays (Clays bind biofilm, it acts like a physical scrub brush to clean out

the gut)

Calcium Bentonite Living Clay (BioPure), Bentonite Clay baths, Green Clay

(BioPure), Red Clay

• Modifilan (highly recommended by Heidi & #61514;)

• CSM (prescription):

• Zeolite (NDF):

• Malic Acid

• Horsetail Grass

• CCK (Resist Fat Apex Lean)

• Garlic (also anti-viral & can kill pathogens which could release metals)

• Turmeric (protects nerves from toxins, and is an anti-inflammatory)

• Mellatonin supports the Pineal gland and helps protects nerves due to its

unique anti-oxidant qualities.

• Also of note, many of the Plant Stem Cells (PSC's) also are binders, detoxers,

organ supports...these are used through a doctor specially certified in them.

Detoxifiers (not binders):

Molybdenum, NeuroAntitox, CNS, NeuroAntitox Basic, etc. These assist in

neutralizing toxins but do not bind. This means that after a person takes one or

more of these supplements, the person might still need to take binder to prevent

re-absorption of the toxins.

Organ support or drainage (not binders):

Unda 243

Burbur (a favorite)

Preliminary LIA List of Chelators:

• EDTA Chelator Complex

EDTA soap and/or EDTA soak (Longevity Plus Beyond Clean, EDTA powder for

bathing)

• Detoxamine

• DMPS

• DMSA

• Chlorella (top natural choice, also a binder, take enough to do both

chelating+binding)

(Links for DrK's pregnancy/breastfeeding recommendations: From my notes:

http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Detail.bok?no=1

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htm

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/Chlorella-Vulgaris/

www.defeatautismyesterday.com/klinghardtautism.pdf (Great powerpoint!)

If still breastfeeding: continue, but have mom take 10 tabl BioPure chlorella

3-4 times per day to clear toxins from milk)

• Cilantro: Need to dose a binder 30 prior –dosage & application info:

http://www.defeatautismyesterday.com/KlinghartNeurotoxinProtocol.htm

• Malic Acid

• Horsetail Grass

• CCK (Resist Fat Apex Lean)

• Garlic (also anti-viral)

• MB12

• TTFD

Notes: Specific Metal Chelators:

• Lead: high dose vitamin C, DMSA, EDTA.

• Mercury: garlic, iodine, ALA , DMPS.

• Cadium: zinc, EDTA, garlic.

• Arsenic: DMPS , ALA , spirulina. (Arsenic mostly loosely binds to tissues.

When methylation support is well in place, arsenic will be released from the

binding sites into the bloodstream.)

• Thallium: Potassium (coconut water is rich in potassium).

Additional Chelating Supports:

• BH4: Required for various enzyme activities at the cellular level. Although

BH4 is involved in detoxifying ammonia, it's main job is in neurotransmitter

production. In fact, aluminum toxicity inhibits BH4 recycling.

• BioOrgan Support is a glandular product to support hypothalamus and pituitary

gland. Yasko uses this product as the source of low dose BH4.

• Bone Support Formula RNA: Supports the retention of calcium and other minerals

important to bone health. When chelating lead using an agent such as EDTA,

calcium at times gets lost from the bone. Bone Support Formula RNA is good to

add in at this time, because it helps to retain minerals in the bone, so the

chelator (EDTA) has a better chance to get to lead in the bone.

• Vitamin E Succinate is an antioxidant

• Succinic Acid, a compound in DMSA, works like a chelator.

---------------Notes From Dr Amy's TACA PowerPoint---------------

Supporting the Kidneys:

This organ is an absolute must to support if you are chelating metals!!!

– Renelix by Pekana

– M Water

– Unda 243

– BioPure Matrix Electrolytes added to all fluids

– Burdock or Dandelion tea

– Nestmann Solidago tincture

– Acupuncture/ Neural therapy/ Laser

– K-Drain by Transformation Enzymes

– Emergen C added to liquids

– Tapping on K27 whenever taking supplements

– Cilantro rubbed topically over the kidneys

Liver Support:

(Suspect this is needed when the bowels are sluggish and your child is not

tolerating any medications and is sensitive to most supplements and foods)

– Dandelion Root

– Ultrathistle (milk thistle product that is easier to absorb)

– Liver Life by BioRay (www.bioray2000.com)

– Castor oil packs over the liver with heat for up to 50 minutes

daily

– Coffee enemas, especially when Herxing (not on very young

children)

– Ensuring regular bowel movements

– Treating candida/yeast

– Phosphatidyl Choline and Glutathione

– Designs for Health PaleoCleanse or Amino D-tox

– Laser

Additional LIA Notes/Posts:

• (Thanks Heidi!!!) Melatonin info:

http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/20/10/2575

• See message # 18623 for 's great list & comments.

• Curcumin or Turmeric in the reducing inflammation category (see 's

message # 18631)

• (Thanks Natasa!!!) post #11233 Role of mercury (Hg) in resistant infections &

effective treatment

• Killing things can lead to metals dumping metal dumping kicks up yeast!

Stan's " Comprehensive Anti-viral Approach " that can be found on TACA's website:

http://www.tacanow.org/family-resources/a-comprehensive-antiviral-approach/

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> > >> > experience.

> > >> > > Â

> > >> > > -Tammy

> > >> > >

> > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> > >> >

> > >

> > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > >> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> > >> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > >> > surfactants)

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Â

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Hi,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product

and

> > >> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How long

does

> > >> > one have to use it for?

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thank you very much,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Deb

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > >> > > From: allrpossible@

> > >> >

> > >

> > >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> > >> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > >> > surfactants)

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Â

> > >> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this product

> > >> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only

started

> > >> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better

than

> > >> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> > >> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs

told

> > >> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things

from

> > >> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> > >> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes, things

> > >> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> > >> > > each other.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Love and prayers,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Heidi N

> > >> > >

> > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in

this

> > >> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they

would

> > >> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Cathy

> > >> > >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >> --

> > >> Cotter

> > >> 4 Pollerton Manor

> > >> Carlow

> > >> 059 9134964

> > >> 087 2637921

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Cotter

> > 4Â Pollerton Manor

> > Carlow

> > 059 9134964

> > 087 2637921

> >

>

[Guest guest]

can someone please explain when binders are supposed to be used and how people

can fit these into their schedules? Do all binders have to be given 2 hours

away from everything else? Is it applicable to chelatin too?

thanks

Cathy

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her personal

> > > >> > experience.

> > > >> > > Â

> > > >> > > -Tammy

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> > > >> >

> > > >

> > > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > >> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> > > >> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom

on

> > > >> > surfactants)

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Â

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Hi,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the product

and

> > > >> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How

long does

> > > >> > one have to use it for?

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thank you very much,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Deb

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > >> > > From: allrpossible@

> > > >> >

> > > >

> > > >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> > > >> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > > >> > surfactants)

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Â

> > > >> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this

product

> > > >> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only

started

> > > >> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt better

than

> > > >> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in this

> > > >> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top docs

told

> > > >> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things

from

> > > >> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about the

> > > >> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes,

things

> > > >> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't know

> > > >> > > each other.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Love and prayers,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Heidi N

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in

this

> > > >> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they

would

> > > >> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Cathy

> > > >> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >> --

> > > >> Cotter

> > > >> 4 Pollerton Manor

> > > >> Carlow

> > > >> 059 9134964

> > > >> 087 2637921

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Cotter

> > > 4Â Pollerton Manor

> > > Carlow

> > > 059 9134964

> > > 087 2637921

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cathy,

I'm not a doc...nor an expert...

I've asked a lot of ?'s over the years about binders, if I remember right the

only binder that has to be given 2 hours away from everything else is Activated

Charcoal (AC) as it moms up everything including good minerals & good bacterias

(probiotics). Some of the others like Pectasol they told me they'd like to see 1

hour away but w/a tight school schedule, they just told me do the best we

can...which wasn't far from the others & we're running out the door. I really

like things like alfalfa & chlorella, being a natural binder & good minerals too

I dose together w/just about everything else (except probiotics which is the

last thing by itself before bed for us...sigh of relief).

Binders are applicable to most all detox...it bind the garbage being detoxed &

helps the body get rid of it. As per our list, chelators themselves are types of

binders, binders will go up & grab onto garbage helping the body remove

them...metals binders...

Learning binders can be the missing piece to some that are struggling with

detox...as you help the body get rid of what's stirred up you can sometimes

reduce the die-off symptoms. Don't feel overwhelmed, this is tough stuff...hope

it's clear as mud now )....

Rita

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Immusist.  Rita could probably tell you more about her

personal

> > > > >> > experience.

> > > > >> > > Â

> > > > >> > > -Tammy

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > From: Deb Cooke <debicooke@>

> > > > >> >

> > > > >

> > > > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > >> > > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 1:57 PM

> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom

on

> > > > >> > surfactants)

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Â

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Hi,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Could someone please email me off-list with the name of the

product and

> > > > >> > a link to where I could get it? Is it safe for two-year olds? How

long does

> > > > >> > one have to use it for?

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Thank you very much,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Deb

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > > >> > > From: allrpossible@

> > > > >> >

> > > > >

> > > > >> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:37:29 -0500

> > > > >> > > Subject: Re: yipppeeeeee!!! (e-mail from WA mom on

> > > > >> > surfactants)

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Â

> > > > >> > > I get quite ill, and for days from artificial dyes, and this

product

> > > > >> > > does not effect me like that. I did get small die-off, and only

started

> > > > >> > > with one drop. I worked up to 15 drops twice a day and felt

better than

> > > > >> > > I had in 12 years. I don't understand about the dye either in

this

> > > > >> > > product; I used it because a friend of mine who knows the top

docs told

> > > > >> > > me about it. I still waited, and then others reported good things

from

> > > > >> > > it. I then used it. I know it cost a lot to risk worrying about

the

> > > > >> > > dye, so I recommend seeing what others have to say. Sometimes,

things

> > > > >> > > don't make sense. I always go by what people report that don't

know

> > > > >> > > each other.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Love and prayers,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Heidi N

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > In my family, we simply cannot do the artificial dyes that are in

this

> > > > >> > > product, at least not at this point. Do you have any idea if they

would

> > > > >> > > ever make an " allergen-free " formula that was free of the dyes?

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Cathy

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >> --

> > > > >> Cotter

> > > > >> 4 Pollerton Manor

> > > > >> Carlow

> > > > >> 059 9134964

> > > > >> 087 2637921

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Cotter

> > > > 4Â Pollerton Manor

> > > > Carlow

> > > > 059 9134964

> > > > 087 2637921

> > > >

> > >

> >

>