uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

December 3, 2011

Hi Channa,

Thank you so much for all your support. I am also gonna get the book and check

the website. I used to give him l-carnitine and he would get a little aggressive

on that so I stopped it. But I will try again. The nystatin he is on is

compounded by hopewell pharmacy and is sugar free, gfcf and dye free. It is in

capsule form and contains nystatin powder in microcrystalline cellulose capsule.

I am looking into goldenseal. Our dan had prescribed alinia but it is not

available these days even from the manufacturer. So now we are waiting for

vancomycin oral but of course I am scared of using it although my friend has

used it for her son's clostridia and had great results. I am going to add

sacc.boulardii as well. Curcumin 450 mg at a time is helping with his symptoms.

Now he is waking up in the middle of the night crying and when calms down laughs

nonstop. I am thinking parasites also as we will have the full moon soon. I was

hoping for alinia as it would help both anaerobes and parasites. I have read on

forum that people did not have good results with metronidazole. Plus it gives

metallic taste otherwise it would have been good for some parasites as well as

anaerobes. At one point I was doing a lot of herbs and when my son worsened, I

lost interest. But I will look into it again as this time maybe he is ready for

naturals.

Thanks

is

> > >

> > > is i cant say for sure but first thing that pops into my head is

acidosis..the friuty breath and fruity stool...horrible tummy pain...I talked

about my bakin soda/benedryl combo that worked so well for my son...it soothes

tummy pain and inflammation..i would think you should try it for your son.

> > > i think the antifungals are hard on a poor little boys body...my first

guess would be it is the antifungals themselves that are reacting with him. can

your son handle grapeseed extract? or pau d arco? if it is just die off it

shouldnt last more then two weeks. that is my experience for die off

> > > channa

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>

> > > To: mb12valtrex

> > > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 10:12 PM

> > > Subject: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please

advise

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > Hi everyone,

> > > My son is on anti yeast treatment and now for the last 5 days he is

getting uncontrollable crying spells with screaming, jumping up and down, asking

me to rock him and kiss him again and again. When asked what happened, he says

" it hurts " and points to his belly. Sometimes points to both sides of his chest.

He has developed a tendency towards constipation but does go at least once a day

with the help of magnesium. He is urinating a lot and is always thirsty. Each

episode of crying lasts for at least 15 minutes and advil seems to help in

minutes. His breath is fruity and his stool smells fruity or sugary or maybe

acetone like. Sometimes the smell is just awful and it is hard to describe. He

is having a lot of visual stims and he is always trying to make everything a

bicycle and wants to ride something or climb something. His skin especially on

the chest is very sensitive and tries to pull his shirt away from skin

sometimes. His symptoms were mild in

> the

> > > last couple of months but have now worsened. His episode at school was so

bad that I had to take him to the pediatrician which was useless as we all know

how that usually goes. I was wondering if it is clostridia? Recently I had

posted on the forum when he had just anxiety and crying and Channa suggested

that it was clostridia and told me to go up on culturelle which helped. But now

his symptoms are uncontrollable. Is it clostridia or it could be severe fungal

die off or even viral die off as he is also receiving some treatment that would

help eradicate viruses? I was thinking that abdominal discomfort, increased

sensitivity to pain, anxiety, ocd and tantrums are related to anaerobic

overgrowth from what I have read so far and what our dan explained. And also

when we treat yeast, clostridia can go crazy. But I wanted to ask the

experienced moms what they think of my son's symptoms.

> > > Thanks

> > > is

> > >

> >

>

December 3, 2011

yah naturals can have bad reactions too...If your son didnt do good on l-carnitine maybe you try other stuff first? inappropriate laughing is a sign of yeast as im sure you know...nyastatin only works for yeast in the gut..as far as i know...I will keep my eye out on other antifungals...have you heard of something called lauricidin? that came to my mind just now for some reason.. what about humaworm for parasites? so many people had great results with it including me.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 11:13 AMSubject: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

Hi Channa,Thank you so much for all your support. I am also gonna get the book and check the website. I used to give him l-carnitine and he would get a little aggressive on that so I stopped it. But I will try again. The nystatin he is on is compounded by hopewell pharmacy and is sugar free, gfcf and dye free. It is in capsule form and contains nystatin powder in microcrystalline cellulose capsule. I am looking into goldenseal. Our dan had prescribed alinia but it is not available these days even from the manufacturer. So now we are waiting for vancomycin oral but of course I am scared of using it although my friend has used it for her son's clostridia and had great results. I am going to add sacc.boulardii as well. Curcumin 450 mg at a time is helping with his symptoms. Now he is waking up in the middle of the night crying and when calms down laughs nonstop. I am thinking parasites also as we will have the full moon soon. I was hoping for

alinia as it would help both anaerobes and parasites. I have read on forum that people did not have good results with metronidazole. Plus it gives metallic taste otherwise it would have been good for some parasites as well as anaerobes. At one point I was doing a lot of herbs and when my son worsened, I lost interest. But I will look into it again as this time maybe he is ready for naturals.Thanksis> > >> > > is i cant say for sure but first thing that pops into my head is acidosis..the friuty breath and fruity stool...horrible tummy pain...I talked about my bakin soda/benedryl combo that worked so well for my son...it soothes tummy pain and inflammation..i would think you should try it for your son.> > > i think the antifungals are hard on a poor little boys body...my first guess would be it is the antifungals themselves that are reacting with him. can your son handle grapeseed extract? or pau d arco? if it is just die off it shouldnt last more then two weeks. that is my experience for die off> > > channa>

> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: alexis_d3378 <alexis_d3378@>> > > To: mb12valtrex > > > Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 10:12 PM> > > Subject: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise> > > > > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > Hi everyone,> > > My son is on anti yeast treatment and now for the last 5 days he is getting uncontrollable crying spells with screaming, jumping up and down, asking me to rock him and kiss him again and again. When asked what happened, he says "it hurts" and points to his belly. Sometimes points to both sides of his chest. He has developed a tendency towards constipation but

does go at least once a day with the help of magnesium. He is urinating a lot and is always thirsty. Each episode of crying lasts for at least 15 minutes and advil seems to help in minutes. His breath is fruity and his stool smells fruity or sugary or maybe acetone like. Sometimes the smell is just awful and it is hard to describe. He is having a lot of visual stims and he is always trying to make everything a bicycle and wants to ride something or climb something. His skin especially on the chest is very sensitive and tries to pull his shirt away from skin sometimes. His symptoms were mild in> the> > > last couple of months but have now worsened. His episode at school was so bad that I had to take him to the pediatrician which was useless as we all know how that usually goes. I was wondering if it is clostridia? Recently I had posted on the forum when he had just anxiety and crying and Channa suggested that it was clostridia and

told me to go up on culturelle which helped. But now his symptoms are uncontrollable. Is it clostridia or it could be severe fungal die off or even viral die off as he is also receiving some treatment that would help eradicate viruses? I was thinking that abdominal discomfort, increased sensitivity to pain, anxiety, ocd and tantrums are related to anaerobic overgrowth from what I have read so far and what our dan explained. And also when we treat yeast, clostridia can go crazy. But I wanted to ask the experienced moms what they think of my son's symptoms. > > > Thanks> > > is> > >> >>

December 3, 2011

what i loved so much about her book is she puts the power in the parents hands...no one can know your child...love your child more then you..

you have to trust your instinct..and you have to trust and believe in God..well you dont have to do anything but it is what i tell anyone who will listen to me:)

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

The master herbalist solomon wickey is i believe the one she spoke of in her book you have to write for appointment and takes a long time appointment .we were lucky when i first found her book she did a few consults with our son from a photo she is lovely un fortunately we still have a millon miles to go it was her that introduced me to parasites!!! def going to give pendulum another go. She advised a homeopathic detox of vaccines as per tinnus smit protocol

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Subject: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

I have organized/written down/made bullet points of anything and everything in Tenna Merchent's book. I feel both her book and website are extremely useful. Unfortunately, it seemed disorganized to me, which probably would make a lot of people miss some really important points she makes. So, I went through it all and organized it for myself. It is time to believe in myself and actually put it to use. I joined Pure Herbs, following her recommendations, which I also recommend for everyone. For $35, you get two thick invaluable herb guides and you get the member rate on herbs. The company can't give you advice, but your upline people can. I established yes, no on the pendulum. I made fan charts of all of my daughter's issues. Surprisingly, I came up with almost 30 issues. I need to go slow, ask for healing codes, try release codes, test herbs, ask if imprinting an herb is enough as opposed to taking it, how much to take for how long, etc. I need to

take baby steps. Almost a year ago, I wrote to Tenna asking for contact information for master herbalists. She was kind enough to call me back and give the information. Even though I was able to leave messages with those master herbalists, though, they did not get back to me. I guess I need to take to heart Tenna Merchent's words and trust myself in healing my child. I just recently went to her website again. There was some long legal document to sign before you went further. It might be because I saw that somebody wrote a bad review of the healing methods she proposes. They should try the methods for themselves before they criticize them. Anyway, when you mentioned Tenna Merchent, I wanted to let everyone know I am embarking on putting her book to use. >> Hi channa you mentioned a pendulum i would love to confidence to use it. Have you read tenna merchents book . The website is joyous messanger she is into herbs releasing and imprinting. She is a master herbalist,another master herbalist recommended veg glycerine for mercury removal for our son. Just have feeling you will like her website> Let your email find you with BlackBerryÃ‚Â® from Vodafone>

December 3, 2011

also...not to bash on homeopathy (as this will be my next passion for sure as soon i get mo money for books..)

but i have heard andy cutler talk about the homeopathic metals driving metals further into brain...not saying he is right..but it is something to consider...a year ago i was under a homepath for short time..my son got a fever and she gave me some beladonna to bring fever down. the fever was gone the next day. that was a year ago he never got fever since (until tonight which i am head over heels about)..so im not sure that it was a good thing...maybe i should have let the fever develop...let the fever fight the nasty genetic freak viruses in my sons body

I think its important to listen to our gut about stuff..usually we are right. i have beladonna in my cupboard still..but I will be treating this fever as the cleansing healing reaction it is and let it do its job.

bel;adonna will be for emergency only.

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:35 AMSubject: Re: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

The master herbalist solomon wickey is i believe the one she spoke of in her book you have to write for appointment and takes a long time appointment .we were lucky when i first found her book she did a few consults with our son from a photo she is lovely un fortunately we still have a millon miles to go it was her that introduced me to parasites!!! def going to give pendulum another go. She advised a homeopathic detox of vaccines as per tinnus smit protocol

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Subject: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

I have organized/written down/made bullet points of anything and everything in Tenna Merchent's book. I feel both her book and website are extremely useful. Unfortunately, it seemed disorganized to me, which probably would make a lot of people miss some really important points she makes. So, I went through it all and organized it for myself. It is time to believe in myself and actually put it to use. I joined Pure Herbs, following her recommendations, which I also recommend for everyone. For $35, you get two thick invaluable herb guides and you get the member rate on herbs. The company can't give you advice, but your upline people can. I established yes, no on the pendulum. I made fan charts of all of my daughter's issues. Surprisingly, I came up with almost 30 issues. I need to go slow, ask for healing codes, try release codes, test herbs, ask if imprinting an herb is enough as opposed to taking it, how much to take for how long, etc. I need to

take baby steps. Almost a year ago, I wrote to Tenna asking for contact information for master herbalists. She was kind enough to call me back and give the information. Even though I was able to leave messages with those master herbalists, though, they did not get back to me. I guess I need to take to heart Tenna Merchent's words and trust myself in healing my child. I just recently went to her website again. There was some long legal document to sign before you went further. It might be because I saw that somebody wrote a bad review of the healing methods she proposes. They should try the methods for themselves before they criticize them. Anyway, when you mentioned Tenna Merchent, I wanted to let everyone know I am embarking on putting her book to use. >> Hi channa you mentioned a pendulum i would love to confidence to use it. Have you read tenna merchents book . The website is joyous messanger she is into herbs releasing and imprinting. She is a master herbalist,another master herbalist recommended veg glycerine for mercury removal for our son. Just have feeling you will like her website> Let your email find you with BlackBerryÃ‚Â® from Vodafone>

December 4, 2011

Hi is,Personally it doesn't sound like clostridia to me yet. When my son isnt flaring clostridia, he is really pretty well behaved...when it flares, it is really a nightmare. Have you done an OAT test? There is a clostridia marker that may help you determine clostridia. My kids both had really high clostridia markers when they had their "clostridia behaviors and poop". Unless the behaviors and the stool really deteriorate, I wouldn't use vanco or flagyl (we used both) until you could get an OAT test back to confirm. I wouldnt want to use those if it turned out to be yeast die off or acid reflux/heartburn. The S. Boulardii probiotic is supposed to work against clostridia so you could also try that to see if it helps (we started at 1 cap/day

and moved up...be aware though some kids cant tolerate it). But first, i think you should try to find out if it is pain related to yeast die off/reflux/heartburn (the charcoal worked for awhile right?) or can he not tolerate the Nystatin. Maybe you could add another charcoal during the day or when he wakes up at night? I have heard of other parents using charcoal more then once / day although someone here wrote something about using it only once / week? Maybe ask your dr on that one. Our PT who had yeast issues says that for some people they can feel pain in their throat/mouth when yeast is dying off so this could be an indication that it is helping. Also, you said his focus is better so that would be a sign it is helping. For the pain, Channa had a good idea about the baking soda to see if this helps. On the loose stool, what color is it? Darker color is usually an indication of bacteria (green is

viral and yellowish is yeast/poor fat absorption..according to what we have seen and what one of our drs. has said). The undigested food and silliness made me wonder if his yeast is getting worse and he just doesnt tolerate Nystatin or his pain his overcoming his immune system? Keep an eye out for this if it goes on longer then the 10day-2week die off period. We just finished a month of Amphetericin B antifungal and I am pretty sure he didnt tolerate it well bc. his behavior and stool deteriorated and he was better once we stopped. Right now we are using the following for the gut:-VSL#3 probiotics (good for oxalates and clostridia) -- 2x/day-3Lac probiotics (fights yeast) - 2x/day-Cytoflora-different enzymes (Trienza, Nophenol, will try soon Virastop,

Lypogold (lipase)-Trying to get the zinc up (i've read that you cant control yeast until you get the zinc up...but i think Channa is right that it will be very difficult to get the gut really under control until you start getting metals out)-Enhansa-Other Immune supplements (lysine, D, A, C etc)Hope this helps!I've decided to try to work more on the immune system and enzymes route bc. the antifungals/antibs tend to get my son more out of whack. AND hopefully start AC chelation soon....However when he did have this last major clostridia flare this summer (brought on by the dr. giving Nystatin and adv. biocidin and nothing for clostridia -- which was already slightly elevated in his OAT), it was finally the higher doses

of flagyl(clostridia) and Sporonox(yeast) that got things under control in the end..... To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

Hi ,

The hugs are not silly and he just keeps bringing his face to mine or his dad's as if he is trying to say something and seems to be in some physical or emotional distress. Today he has been complaining of chest pain all day on and off. He pulls his shirt away from his chest and rubs on it. If I want to see that area, he starts laughing hysterically as if he is very hypersensitive at that spot and my touch feels like I am tickling him. He was more on the constipated side by which I mean that he is having his BMs late in the day although he keeps asking to go to "Pee Pee", sits for sometime, urinates a little or sometimes none. Before I was giving him magnesium glycinate 100 mg once a day but dan recommended 300 mg to be given together for a laxative effect. I tried that for the last 4-5 days and it is working and actually today he got loose stools with undigested food after lunch. I had given him 100 mg of mag with breakfast and 200 mg with lunch.

Yesterday, before the activated charcoal he was so uncomfortable that he didn't eat much till he had a huge BM. But today, he is very hungry and silly. At the same time, his focus is good as he did well during our work session. Started a little crying episode but that stopped when I gave him a snack as he seemed hungry. I searched on internet for clostridia symptoms and mostly found aggression as the biggest one. My son is getting cranky and throwing tantrums easily and he gets mad once in a while when his baby sister doesn't leave him alone. For him, this could be aggression as he is usually a passive boy. , what did you use for clostridia? We tried to get Alinia but manufacturer is out of stock and it will probably be available next year. We are thinking about Vancomycin but it scares me. We tried biocidin this spring with very poor results (severe regression in speech, behavior and understanding). I have tried naturals in the past but scared to

use them again. Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks

is

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from skin sometimes. His symptoms were mild

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> & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; last couple of months but have now worsened. His episode at school was so bad that I had to take him to the pediatrician which was useless as we all know how that usually goes. I was wondering if it is clostridia? Recently I had posted on the forum when he had just anxiety and crying and Channa suggested that it was clostridia and told me to go up on culturelle which helped. But now his symptoms are uncontrollable. Is it clostridia or it could be severe fungal die off or even viral die off as he is also receiving some treatment that would help eradicate viruses? I was thinking that abdominal discomfort, increased sensitivity to pain, anxiety, ocd and tantrums are related to anaerobic overgrowth from what I have read so far and what our dan explained. And also when we treat yeast, clostridia can go crazy. But I wanted to ask the experienced moms what they think of my son's symptoms.

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December 4, 2011

Thanks . Your post is very helpful. The first OAT we did was in December

2010 with metamatrix which was negative for clostridial markers but was positive

for aerobic overgrowth. Then he had appendicitis and received a course of

augmentin. He then did a 8 week course of biocidin which completely messed up

his bowels and he lost his spontaneous speech. Repeat OAT with great plains

showed yeast markers but was negative for clostridial markers. Stool CDSA done

with oat showed no lactobacillus despite the fact that he was on 6 caps of

culturelle a day and 1 packet of vsl3 just 3-4 days before the stool test. He

has been on nystatin since mid september. One theory is that if you don't see

any Lactobacillus in stool, it is probably a result of clostridial overgrowth.

But I completely agree with you on repeating OAT. We were about to start

vancomycin but insurance didn't approve it on friday and even though I was

frustrated, I was thinking that everything happens for a reason and maybe he

doesn't need it and something else is going on with him. Then we felt it was

reflux/die off and relief with act.charcoal kinda confirmed it. This is the

reason I keep asking all the moms what clostridia looks like?

I will request for a repeat OAT and possibly CDSA. We are also doing a test for

metals soon. I gave him activated charcoal twice today and it helped again. His

pain is definitely better with that. As per Channa's advice, I gave him baking

soda before bed. Couldn't give benadryl as he already took melatonin and was

already comfortable. Hopefully poor kid will get some sleep tonight as he has a

long day at school tomorrow. , what is the reason for using 3 different

probiotic brands? I have posted a lot of questions about probiotics also on my

other post. I think I need some serious education on probiotics. Also why do you

use multiple enzymes? My son takes trienza 1 capsule with meals everyday. Am I

doing the right thing with enzymes or I should change something?

Thanks a lot for all the support

is

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> > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;

> >

> > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; is i cant say for sure but first thing that

pops into my head is acidosis..the friuty breath and fruity stool...horrible

tummy pain...I talked about my bakin soda/benedryl combo that worked so well for

my son...it soothes tummy pain and inflammation..i would think you should try it

for your son.

> >

> > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; i think the antifungals are hard on a poor little

boys body...my first guess would be it is the antifungals themselves that are

reacting with him. can your son handle grapeseed extract? or pau d arco? if it

is just die off it shouldnt last more then two weeks. that is my experience for

die off

> >

> > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; channa

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last 5 days he is getting uncontrollable crying spells with screaming, jumping

up and down, asking me to rock him and kiss him again and again. When asked what

happened, he says " it hurts " and points to his belly. Sometimes points to both

sides of his chest. He has developed a tendency towards constipation but does go

at least once a day with the help of magnesium. He is urinating a lot and is

always thirsty. Each episode of crying lasts for at least 15 minutes and advil

seems to help in minutes. His breath is fruity and his stool smells fruity or

sugary or maybe acetone like. Sometimes the smell is just awful and it is hard

to describe. He is having a lot of visual stims and he is always trying to make

everything a bicycle and wants to ride something or climb something. His skin

especially on the chest is very sensitive and tries to pull his shirt away from

skin sometimes. His

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episode at school was so bad that I had to take him to the pediatrician which

was useless as we all know how that usually goes. I was wondering if it is

clostridia? Recently I had posted on the forum when he had just anxiety and

crying and Channa suggested that it was clostridia and told me to go up on

culturelle which helped. But now his symptoms are uncontrollable. Is it

clostridia or it could be severe fungal die off or even viral die off as he is

also receiving some treatment that would help eradicate viruses? I was thinking

that abdominal discomfort, increased sensitivity to pain, anxiety, ocd and

tantrums are related to anaerobic overgrowth from what I have read so far and

what our dan explained. And also when we treat yeast, clostridia can go crazy.

But I wanted to ask the experienced moms what they think of my son's symptoms.

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Hi is,The cytoflora supposedly helps get the gut ready for probiotics and we are using 3Lac bc it supposedly helps more with yeast while VSL3 is indicated for clostridia. I'm still trying to figure out the probiotics too but at the moment this plan is helping. I also throw in a few Klaire's brand probiotics if i feel like they are flaring or i have given them too many carbs like yesterday. On the enzymes, I noticed that their stool became more formed as i increased them. Be careful bc i have heard too many enzymes can cause constipation and it sounds like your son leans that way so go slowly if you want to try increasing. Some of our test results indicated that they have poor fat absorption (and yellowish stool is an indicator) and i have

been trying to find a supplement with more lipase for this so will try lypogold. Since the digestive enzymes help food digestion and undigested food can feed/create bugs i wanted to look more into the enzymes. The virastop is a different enzyme for the immune system and they both need immune boosting. With my kids, the struggle has been keeping them both in balance (yeast/clostridia) so I am more wary now of using anything that directly kills one or the other...the good sign for you is that your son never showed positive for clostridia whereas both of my kids have showed positive for both yeast and clostridia. Hope this helps!

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:52 PM Subject: Re: uncontrollable crying, tantrums and pain - please advise

Thanks . Your post is very helpful. The first OAT we did was in December 2010 with metamatrix which was negative for clostridial markers but was positive for aerobic overgrowth. Then he had appendicitis and received a course of augmentin. He then did a 8 week course of biocidin which completely messed up his bowels and he lost his spontaneous speech. Repeat OAT with great plains showed yeast markers but was negative for clostridial markers. Stool CDSA done with oat showed no lactobacillus despite the fact that he was on 6 caps of culturelle a day and 1 packet of vsl3 just 3-4 days before the stool test. He has been on nystatin since mid september. One theory is that if you don't see any Lactobacillus in stool, it is probably a result of clostridial overgrowth. But I completely agree with you on repeating OAT. We were about to start vancomycin but insurance didn't approve it on friday and even though I was frustrated, I was thinking that

everything happens for a reason and maybe he doesn't need it and something else is going on with him. Then we felt it was reflux/die off and relief with act.charcoal kinda confirmed it. This is the reason I keep asking all the moms what clostridia looks like?

I will request for a repeat OAT and possibly CDSA. We are also doing a test for metals soon. I gave him activated charcoal twice today and it helped again. His pain is definitely better with that. As per Channa's advice, I gave him baking soda before bed. Couldn't give benadryl as he already took melatonin and was already comfortable. Hopefully poor kid will get some sleep tonight as he has a long day at school tomorrow. , what is the reason for using 3 different probiotic brands? I have posted a lot of questions about probiotics also on my other post. I think I need some serious education on probiotics. Also why do you use multiple enzymes? My son takes trienza 1 capsule with meals everyday. Am I doing the right thing with enzymes or I should change something?

Thanks a lot for all the support

is

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away from skin sometimes. His

> symptoms were mild

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> > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; last couple of months but have now worsened. His episode at school was so bad that I had to take him to the pediatrician which was useless as we all know how that usually goes. I was wondering if it is clostridia? Recently I had posted on the forum when he had just anxiety and crying and Channa suggested that it was clostridia and told me to go up on culturelle which helped. But now his symptoms are uncontrollable. Is it clostridia or it could be severe fungal die off or even viral die off as he is also receiving some treatment that would help eradicate viruses? I was thinking that abdominal discomfort, increased sensitivity to pain, anxiety, ocd and tantrums are related to anaerobic overgrowth from what I have read so far and what our dan explained. And also when we treat yeast, clostridia can go crazy. But I wanted to ask the experienced moms what they think of my son's symptoms.

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December 4, 2011

Channa,in case baking soda helps him tonight, can I give him just before he goes

to school. He usually gets nystatin and supps at 7 am and leaves home at 8 so I

wasn't sure if I should use activated charcoal so close to the med. Your help is

appreciated.