Guest guest Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 My ADHD son cannot tolerate ALCAR aka " acetyl l carnitine " but does much better on " L-carnitine. " How much vitamin C? Hi all My pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently on ole vitamin c b-50 acetyl carnitine oil of orgeano gse (when needed) folate I hope someone can help me....I am lost! T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 sounds like perhaps you have a yeast issues the OLE is making worse but its addressing some bacteria either clostrida or I dare say check into some PANDAS issues. your discription of your child screams PANDAS kid to me.....good news is its treatable, you may need an antibiotic like climindamycin, or azithromyacin plus fluconizole for a while but with in weeks could see HUGE gains doing it From: Latonia Goodwin Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:10 AM To: mb12valtrex Subject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 what viral detox are you doin? he gets worse when you stop using it? viruses hide metals i think....so when you kill one thing something else gets released..sigh not all kids can tolerate vitamin c and ole also maybe he is havin a phenol reaction to the gse and oil of oregano... it sounds like a lot to give a kid...OoO, ole and gse? my son could never tolerate all those at once To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 AMSubject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I agree. I was reading my email in bed last night and I started to reply to this post when my lap top died...So what I was thinking was:You might want to try some activated charcoal (2 hours away from everything) because it sounds like you've got some die-off going on. Epsom baths are awesome, too. Theanine or lithium oratate is calming and soothing. He sounds "wound-up" and tense with all the hyperactivity, sensitivity and hand wringing. Also, if it was me,I would drop the OLE for now and stick with only the OoO. If that doesn't seem effective enough, try reversing it. (Starting with the OoO makes better sense because the OLE makes him hyper). If one of those works, I would then add some omega 3's and 6's. Try flax, borage primrose at first as some kids get hyper from CLO and I really get the feeling he needs soothing right now. Try to make his environment as stress free as possible (I know - easier said than done!)What kind of antiviral is he on? Does he take a basic multi vite? probiotics? Is he a gut kid?Also, you might consider cutting out the C for a while and replacing it with an ACE multi or coq10. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Need help!!!! what viral detox are you doin? he gets worse when you stop using it? viruses hide metals i think....so when you kill one thing something else gets released..sigh not all kids can tolerate vitamin c and ole also maybe he is havin a phenol reaction to the gse and oil of oregano... it sounds like a lot to give a kid...OoO, ole and gse? my son could never tolerate all those at once To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 AMSubject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ....oops! to continue: The A,C,E might be a good choice if you don't want to give up Vite C altogether. You mentioned visual stims which can indicate a vitamin A deficiency -and it's also a wonderful antioxidant. So why not allow him the benefit of 3 antioxidants.Make sure he's drinking plenty of water and pooping eveyday. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Need help!!!! I agree. I was reading my email in bed last night and I started to reply to this post when my lap top died...So what I was thinking was:You might want to try some activated charcoal (2 hours away from everything) because it sounds like you've got some die-off going on. Epsom baths are awesome, too. Theanine or lithium oratate is calming and soothing. He sounds "wound-up" and tense with all the hyperactivity, sensitivity and hand wringing. Also, if it was me,I would drop the OLE for now and stick with only the OoO. If that doesn't seem effective enough, try reversing it. (Starting with the OoO makes better sense because the OLE makes him hyper). If one of those works, I would then add some omega 3's and 6's. Try flax, borage primrose at first as some kids get hyper from CLO and I really get the feeling he needs soothing right now. Try to make his environment as stress free as possible (I know - easier said than done!)What kind of antiviral is he on? Does he take a basic multi vite? probiotics? Is he a gut kid?Also, you might consider cutting out the C for a while and replacing it with an ACE multi or coq10. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Need help!!!! what viral detox are you doin? he gets worse when you stop using it? viruses hide metals i think....so when you kill one thing something else gets released..sigh not all kids can tolerate vitamin c and ole also maybe he is havin a phenol reaction to the gse and oil of oregano... it sounds like a lot to give a kid...OoO, ole and gse? my son could never tolerate all those at once To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 AMSubject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 i'M SORRY BUT I DONT KNOW WHO TO CONTACT TO GET MY CHILD TESTED FOR PANDAS To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 11:13 AMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! sounds like perhaps you have a yeast issues the OLE is making worse but its addressing some bacteria either clostrida or I dare say check into some PANDAS issues. your discription of your child screams PANDAS kid to me.....good news is its treatable, you may need an antibiotic like climindamycin, or azithromyacin plus fluconizole for a while but with in weeks could see HUGE gains doing it From: Latonia Goodwin Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:10 AM To: mb12valtrex Subject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 HE WAS ON THE VITAMIN A PROTOCOL RECENTLY AND HIS POOPS ARE GREAT. I NEED TO TAKE A BREAK FROM VIT. A. I BAFFLED...THE STIMS OR TICS ONLY HAPPEN AT SCHOOL OR AFTER HE EATS To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:01 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! ....oops! to continue: The A,C,E might be a good choice if you don't want to give up Vite C altogether. You mentioned visual stims which can indicate a vitamin A deficiency -and it's also a wonderful antioxidant. So why not allow him the benefit of 3 antioxidants. Make sure he's drinking plenty of water and pooping eveyday. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:56 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! I agree. I was reading my email in bed last night and I started to reply to this post when my lap top died... So what I was thinking was: You might want to try some activated charcoal (2 hours away from everything) because it sounds like you've got some die-off going on. Epsom baths are awesome, too. Theanine or lithium oratate is calming and soothing. He sounds "wound-up" and tense with all the hyperactivity, sensitivity and hand wringing. Also, if it was me,I would drop the OLE for now and stick with only the OoO. If that doesn't seem effective enough, try reversing it. (Starting with the OoO makes better sense because the OLE makes him hyper). If one of those works, I would then add some omega 3's and 6's. Try flax, borage primrose at first as some kids get hyper from CLO and I really get the feeling he needs soothing right now. Try to make his environment as stress free as possible (I know - easier said than done!) What kind of antiviral is he on? Does he take a basic multi vite? probiotics? Is he a gut kid? Also, you might consider cutting out the C for a while and replacing it with an ACE multi or coq10. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:34 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! what viral detox are you doin? he gets worse when you stop using it? viruses hide metals i think....so when you kill one thing something else gets released..sigh not all kids can tolerate vitamin c and ole also maybe he is havin a phenol reaction to the gse and oil of oregano... it sounds like a lot to give a kid...OoO, ole and gse? my son could never tolerate all those at once To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 AMSubject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 There's a chance the stims are stress - induced. My son developed this strange tic where he was constantly breathing out of his nose in quick breaths onto the back of hands. This came about when we had put him in public school (after being home schooled) and the stress was too much. Once we took him out and brought him back home for schooling, it stopped. I also have a nephew who as a child had tourettes, ocd, and terrible rage. He could hold it together all day long for long, but the second he came home, he came UN-raveled. So stress definitely does play a part. (You will be glad to know my nephew is all grown up. College graduate, great job, nice girl....all symptoms GONE :)I wonder if theres a connection with something in your son's diet? To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Need help!!!! HE WAS ON THE VITAMIN A PROTOCOL RECENTLY AND HIS POOPS ARE GREAT. I NEED TO TAKE A BREAK FROM VIT. A. I BAFFLED...THE STIMS OR TICS ONLY HAPPEN AT SCHOOL OR AFTER HE EATS To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:01 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! ....oops! to continue: The A,C,E might be a good choice if you don't want to give up Vite C altogether. You mentioned visual stims which can indicate a vitamin A deficiency -and it's also a wonderful antioxidant. So why not allow him the benefit of 3 antioxidants. Make sure he's drinking plenty of water and pooping eveyday. -Tammy To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:56 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! I agree. I was reading my email in bed last night and I started to reply to this post when my lap top died... So what I was thinking was: You might want to try some activated charcoal (2 hours away from everything) because it sounds like you've got some die-off going on. Epsom baths are awesome, too. Theanine or lithium oratate is calming and soothing. He sounds "wound-up" and tense with all the hyperactivity, sensitivity and hand wringing. Also, if it was me,I would drop the OLE for now and stick with only the OoO. If that doesn't seem effective enough, try reversing it. (Starting with the OoO makes better sense because the OLE makes him hyper). If one of those works, I would then add some omega 3's and 6's. Try flax, borage primrose at first as some kids get hyper from CLO and I really get the feeling he needs soothing right now. Try to make his environment as stress free as possible (I know - easier said than done!) What kind of antiviral is he on? Does he take a basic multi vite? probiotics? Is he a gut kid? Also, you might consider cutting out the C for a while and replacing it with an ACE multi or coq10. To: "mb12valtrex " <mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:34 PMSubject: Re: Need help!!!! what viral detox are you doin? he gets worse when you stop using it? viruses hide metals i think....so when you kill one thing something else gets released..sigh not all kids can tolerate vitamin c and ole also maybe he is havin a phenol reaction to the gse and oil of oregano... it sounds like a lot to give a kid...OoO, ole and gse? my son could never tolerate all those at once To: mb12valtrex Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 12:10 AMSubject: Need help!!!! Hi allMy pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? he is currently onolevitamin cb-50acetyl carnitineoil of orgeanogse (when needed)folateI hope someone can help me....I am lost!T.G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 you may also try taking out the folate..it may not be the right form if he has mthfr mutations. > > i'M SORRY BUT I DONT KNOW WHO TO CONTACT TO GET MY CHILD TESTED FOR PANDAS > Â > > > To: mb12valtrex > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: Need help!!!! > > > Â > sounds like perhaps you have a yeast issues the OLE is making worse but its addressing some bacteria either clostrida or I dare say check into some PANDAS issues. your discription of your child screams PANDAS kid to me.....good news is its treatable, you may need an antibiotic like climindamycin, or azithromyacin plus fluconizole for a while but with in weeks could see HUGE gains doing it > > > > From: Latonia Goodwin > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:10 AM > To: mb12valtrex > Subject: Need help!!!! > Â > Hi all > > My pdd nos son is 6 yr old and I am currently doing a viral detox.When he is not on the detox stims like crazy. What I mean by stim is he does alot of deep pressure hand wringing with aloud vocal tic (arghhhh),pacing back and forth, visual stim on moving objects, bouncing on balls, stiff coordinated movements,lack of attention and focus, lack of spontaneous speech. When I give him Ole and vitamin c, he gets hyper, emotional,high anxiety, ear covering, deep pressure hand wringing without loud tics.....What am I doing wrong? > > he is currently on > > ole > vitamin c > b-50 > acetyl carnitine > oil of orgeano > gse (when needed) > folate > > I hope someone can help me....I am lost! > > T.G > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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