Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other therapies. Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a thread about ABA (playparent?) Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very respectful of both child and parents.My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask!Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileSender: sList Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 18:52:18 -0000To: <sList >ReplyTo: sList Subject: Therapeeds Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Thanks for your response . At what age did your son do his first intensive? How often has he had to repeat them? They told me the eval would be about $1000 but i didnt get into how much the intensives would be...Thanks! > > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other therapies. > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a thread about ABA (playparent?) > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very respectful of both child and parents. > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask! > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > Therapeeds > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Does anyone know if they take insurance? > > > > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other therapies. > > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a thread about ABA (playparent?) > > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very respectful of both child and parents. > > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask! > > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > > Therapeeds > > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm sorry listmates to tell you therapeeds knows they have a good thing and are willing to make all us pay for their good therapy services. Though I can tell you guys that a lot of the exercises are able to be found on youtube. Search vision gym or vision therapy. There you will find techniques used like therapeeds. The fact is there is little to no documentation on the evidence to show progress on these techniques. I was working with mrs. Harper when she was starting this program before I found out the thousands of dollars she was charging. She is very good don't get me wrong but if you can afford it search youtube. Best of luck everyone. aka enzo's mom Connected by MOTOBLUR™ on T-Mobile Therapeeds> > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 They do not take insurance, they have very good therapist, the intensive is 7,500 for 3 weeks. Usually one intensive is not enough. They will give you the paperwork , so you can send it to your insurance. Do not allow that any problem be bigger than your faith, all things are possible in God... Just believe!!!! Helen Subject: Re: TherapeedsTo: sList Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 5:11 PM Does anyone know if they take insurance?> >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other therapies. > > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a thread about ABA (playparent?)> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very respectful of both child and parents.> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please feel free to ask!> > > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile> > > > Therapeeds> > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I for one am not using anymore well meaning Dr.'s or Therapists who do not take my insurance. I have heard over and over again how they want to help our children, well if that is truly the case, then take their insurance! Therapeeds > > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Amen!!Sent from my iPhonePlease excuse typos I for one am not using anymore well meaning Dr.'s or Therapists who do not take my insurance. I have heard over and over again how they want to help our children, well if that is truly the case, then take their insurance! Therapeeds > > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hello! Therapies 4 Kids takes insurance. Call me at for more information or email me at eileen@... --- Therapeeds> > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 My 2 cents...I agree that there are many different therapies you can try and not everything works for everyone, BUT, to have a professional work with your kid and look up videos on YouTube is not the same...Of course if you are able to learn some techniques that might be helpful to your child's specific challenges, that's great and whatever work you can do will be beneficial of course, no doubt about it ,but it doesn't replace therapy with a professional. Again, if you can afford it, look into it; if you can't bless your heart, we are all doing what we can! And our kids all improve, at their own pace, bless God.Please check out this link : therapeeds.com for more info on the HOPE method. Also, check http://www.inpp.org.uk/ for info on Neuro Developmental Delay. INPP has been studying Reflex stimulation and inhibition for more than 2 decades and there's plenty of research and publications on these methods. As with anything else, no methodology starts with 50 years of record, but this is not something like 10 years old. There are studies and there is proof that it works (for some kids, obviously, like anything else). The HOPE method (Harper's Optimal Protocols for Enrichment) is not a new therapy, it's just the way found out through the years to implement what she's learned about movements, reflexes, brain functions...more efficiently.They don't take insurance directly but supply all the info you need to file with your plan, and I was able to get reimbursed that way. In our case we had a cap in the sessions and amount paid of therapy a year so of course not everything was paid back but a good amount was recovered. Yes, it is expensive, but you shouldn't be doing any other therapy while on the intensives so it depends on the level of expenses you have right now. For us, with 10 hours of ABA (no insurance) plus speech and ot 3x a week each for an hour, it wasn't a ton more. The people they have there are highly trained and trust me, with what insurances pay to therapists it would be hard to secure that level of people (they are all employees of Therapeeds). They also request that the child stay out of school for those 3 weeks, but I had friends who couldn't do it, and they worked around it.No, I don't work there (lol) nor I got a discount (just kidding...really, didn't get a penny off!) :)But I've seen it work, and just like with anything else, just be informed, is the least we all can do.Respectfully,To: sList Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:13:00 PMSubject: Re: Re: Therapeeds I'm sorry listmates to tell you therapeeds knows they have a good thing and are willing to make all us pay for their good therapy services. Though I can tell you guys that a lot of the exercises are able to be found on youtube. Search vision gym or vision therapy. There you will find techniques used like therapeeds. The fact is there is little to no documentation on the evidence to show progress on these techniques. I was working with mrs. Harper when she was starting this program before I found out the thousands of dollars she was charging. She is very good don't get me wrong but if you can afford it search youtube. Best of luck everyone. aka enzo's mom Connected by MOTOBLURâ„¢ on T-Mobile Therapeeds > > > > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'm sorry but IMO just because you are a professional does not mean you are morally exempt from taking insurance. My son sees plenty of professionals with Ph.D's and over 20 years experience, where they are booked overtime, and they still provide the courtesy of billing insurance. We parents of children with Autism have enough on our plate. I personally have spent countless hours filing claims, trying to figure out insurance codes, which departments to send to, etc... The aggravation of sitting on the phone for hours while they ping pong you back and forth on hold - when you SHOULD be spending quality time teaching your child in such a short window of opportunity - for me is an added stress that I don't need. If I go to a doctor or hospital they bill insurance. We pay therapists enough money (some of them charging more than what I pay for my own personal MD's) that they can hire they're own billing person who knows the in's and out's of insurance laws. I am lucky that we qualified for the autism insurance mandate and get 36k a year to help with therapies. On principle, I will only work with providers who will help bill insurance. They can ask you to pay up front and reimburse you if the claim goes through - that is completely legitimate for any business provider. But if you are providing a service, billing insurance should be a part of the service for any respectable provider. > >> > > >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They > >>work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other > >>therapies. > >> > >> > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a > >>thread about ABA (playparent?) > >> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very > >>respectful of both child and parents. > >> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please > >>feel free to ask! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >> > > >> > Therapeeds > >> > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > >> > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm glad you've been able to work with professionals who help you with insurance billing, in my experience that's very rare. Not sure what you mean about being morally exempt from taking insurance, it's simply a business decision. Many DAN doctors don't take insurance, and their explanation is that they would get paid very little for their service, thus not being able to provide the level of care they are willing to.So if they don't take insurance why would they help you with the insurance billing process? The ones that do stop at giving you the right codes to use, as each insurance company has their own paperwork and if they don't take them they don't know how their process works, and as time we spend on the phone with claims depts, they won't discuss someone's insurance with a non-provider.Sorry, I'm really confused.But, after all it's a personal decision, like I said you do what you can.To: sList Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 9:43:58 PMSubject: Re: Therapeeds I'm sorry but IMO just because you are a professional does not mean you are morally exempt from taking insurance. My son sees plenty of professionals with Ph.D's and over 20 years experience, where they are booked overtime, and they still provide the courtesy of billing insurance. We parents of children with Autism have enough on our plate. I personally have spent countless hours filing claims, trying to figure out insurance codes, which departments to send to, etc... The aggravation of sitting on the phone for hours while they ping pong you back and forth on hold - when you SHOULD be spending quality time teaching your child in such a short window of opportunity - for me is an added stress that I don't need. If I go to a doctor or hospital they bill insurance. We pay therapists enough money (some of them charging more than what I pay for my own personal MD's) that they can hire they're own billing person who knows the in's and out's of insurance laws. I am lucky that we qualified for the autism insurance mandate and get 36k a year to help with therapies. On principle, I will only work with providers who will help bill insurance. They can ask you to pay up front and reimburse you if the claim goes through - that is completely legitimate for any business provider. But if you are providing a service, billing insurance should be a part of the service for any respectable provider. > >> > > >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. They > >>work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other > >>therapies. > >> > >> > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a > >>thread about ABA (playparent?) > >> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very > >>respectful of both child and parents. > >> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, please > >>feel free to ask! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > >> > > >> > Therapeeds > >> > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > >> > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What I mean by morally exempt was a response to the previous poster saying that when a provider has a good thing and know they can get away with not billing insurance, they do. My point was that there are MANY excellent providers who offer great services and are overbooked, but they don't see high demand as a reason not to bill insurance. I think that if you are a medical professional you should have a billing person. Just because there is high demand as a result of an autism epidemic, and there are thousands of parents willing to sign their house away and the clothes off their back in desperation to help there kids - does not mean that's its ok not to bill insurance. And you're right it IS a business decision. Its a business decision if you want to use part of your own income in providing a service that most other respectable medical professionals provide. It is a business decision if you want to let your clients know that you care enough to help them wade through insurance battles. The billing people I have spoken to are able to get most of my information from insurance companies, if the provider has a licsence and tax ID# it is not an issue. In fact, some of the insurances I've had REQUIRE that the providers call and give information, to get pre-authorizations, and send in notes, evaluations, updates on progress etc... Yes, I still have to call the insurance and nag them about things, but for the most part the billing person files all the claims (we would have to do over 60 claims a month otherwise), they call find out who to speak to, who to send to, what exactly they need from the provider to get things moving etc... Like I said, if the provider requires payment up front that is totally justifiable as many insurances can cause trouble, but they should at least bill them for you and have someone to help you push things along if you need it. If the provider were a very small practice that was struggling financially and does not have enough clients or clinicians to warrant a billing person, then I would understand. But when you charge $1,000 just for an evaluation (as the previous poster stated, don't know if that is what they really charge) then I would expect more. And, FYI, there are a quite a few good DAN Dr.s who bill insurance. I'm sorry if my opinion offends you, I'm just tired of people who claim to care about families and wanting to help them when it seems like all they care about is financial gain. When you take on a family with autism, you not only treat the child. You advise the parents, you help with insurance, and if you are REALLY good you show you care and support them in any way you can, even if it means making phone calls for them to see if you can help with insurance. The providers I choose to work with have gone out of they're way, and to me - thats how I know they care about my child. Shiri > > >> > > > >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. > >They > > > > >>work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other > > >>therapies. > > >> > > >> > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a > > >>thread about ABA (playparent?) > > >> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very > > >>respectful of both child and parents. > > >> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, > >please > > > > >>feel free to ask! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > >> > > > >> > Therapeeds > > >> > > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > > > > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried > >it > > > > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Shiri, Who are the good DAN doctors that bills insurance? Thanks. Subject: Re: TherapeedsTo: sList Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 4:11 PM What I mean by morally exempt was a response to the previous poster saying that when a provider has a good thing and know they can get away with not billing insurance, they do. My point was that there are MANY excellent providers who offer great services and are overbooked, but they don't see high demand as a reason not to bill insurance. I think that if you are a medical professional you should have a billing person. Just because there is high demand as a result of an autism epidemic, and there are thousands of parents willing to sign their house away and the clothes off their back in desperation to help there kids - does not mean that's its ok not to bill insurance. And you're right it IS a business decision. Its a business decision if you want to use part of your own income in providing a service that most other respectable medical professionals provide. It is a business decision if you want to let your clients know that you care enough to help them wade through insurance battles. The billing people I have spoken to are able to get most of my information from insurance companies, if the provider has a licsence and tax ID# it is not an issue. In fact, some of the insurances I've had REQUIRE that the providers call and give information, to get pre-authorizations, and send in notes, evaluations, updates on progress etc... Yes, I still have to call the insurance and nag them about things, but for the most part the billing person files all the claims (we would have to do over 60 claims a month otherwise), they call find out who to speak to, who to send to, what exactly they need from the provider to get things moving etc... Like I said, if the provider requires payment up front that is totally justifiable as many insurances can cause trouble, but they should at least bill them for you and have someone to help you push things along if you need it. If the provider were a very small practice that was struggling financially and does not have enough clients or clinicians to warrant a billing person, then I would understand. But when you charge $1,000 just for an evaluation (as the previous poster stated, don't know if that is what they really charge) then I would expect more. And, FYI, there are a quite a few good DAN Dr.s who bill insurance.I'm sorry if my opinion offends you, I'm just tired of people who claim to care about families and wanting to help them when it seems like all they care about is financial gain. When you take on a family with autism, you not only treat the child. You advise the parents, you help with insurance, and if you are REALLY good you show you care and support them in any way you can, even if it means making phone calls for them to see if you can help with insurance. The providers I choose to work with have gone out of they're way, and to me - thats how I know they care about my child.Shiri> > >> >> > >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. > >They > >> > >>work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other > > >>therapies. > > >>> > >> > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a > > >>thread about ABA (playparent?)> > >> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very > > >>respectful of both child and parents.> > >> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, > >please > >> > >>feel free to ask!> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile> > >> > > > >> > Therapeeds> > >> > > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > >> > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried > >it > >> > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks!> > >> >> > >>> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 We no longer see DAN's since we disagree with some of its protocols (mainly aggressive IV protocols, and prescription medications) and are going a more natural/homeopathic route now (along with low dose Andy Culter chelation protocol). But off the top of my head, Dr. Goldberg takes insurance, Dr. Baptist has a grant program he runs for low income families, and Dr. Rao who's an immunologist but uses all the DAN practices also takes most insurances. On the MB12Valtrex board I know that there are a few moms who were seeing Dan's who cover insurance - you can ask there. We saw Dr. Berger a while back, and although he didn't bill insurance, his staff filled out all the necessary paperwork (which I just signed and mailed and got reimbursed) and would make calls to them about meds and labs and has sent them letters with medical notes to get them to cover medications. HTH, Shiri > > > >> > > > > >> > Yes, it is expensive but if you can afford it, it's worth every penny. > > >They > > > > > > >>work on the reflexes, from the brain stem up, differently from most other > > > >>therapies. > > > >> > > > >> > Somebody else just posted a good explanation about primary reflexes in a > > > >>thread about ABA (playparent?) > > > >> > Harper and her team are very holistic in their approach and very > > > >>respectful of both child and parents. > > > >> > My son's done intensives there so if you have any specific questions, > > >please > > > > > > >>feel free to ask! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > > >> > > > > >> > Therapeeds > > > >> > > > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > > > > > > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > > > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried > > >it > > > > > > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 I can promise you that if parents stop using Dr.'s and therapists that do not provide billing then they all will either bill our insurance companies for us or they will close their doors due to lack of business. As parents of special needs kids we are all so desperate to find someone to help our kids that we have taken on responsibilities for these Dr.'s and therapists by doing their paperwork for them. If we demand better services they will have no option but to give them. It is up to us to demand the change. There are plenty of providers including DAN Dr.'s who take insurance. Therapeeds > >> > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried it > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > >> > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 I personally know of two but I am sure there are plenty more out there. I believe Dr. Udell in the Weston are takes insurance and I know that Dr. Harum in North Carolina takes insurance. We saw Dr. Harum when we lived in NC and she was excellent! Therapeeds > > >> > > > >> > Has anyone ever done the Therapeeds program in South Florida? I have heard > > > > >>mixed reviews about the program and it is very costly (even for an initial > > >>evaluation) so I wanted to get some feedback for parents if any one has tried > >it > > > > >>and results theyve gotten. Thanks! > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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