long term antifungal treatment

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Difulcan does not work on all yeast. It did not work for me. I had to use Nystatin Oral powder mixed with water. I found out about it by reading the Yeast Connection Handbook by Crook. I also had to go on a special diet. I did not see results until after 4 months of doing this routine. I brought the book into my family doctor and begged her for the drug and she gave it to me. But the drug alone is not enough if you have a severe yeast problem, you must also modify your diet and get your hormones checked. There is a reason the yeast does not go away.

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Can anyone recommend an article about yeast and VV that I can take

with me to a doctor appointment? I need to be put on long term

treatment for yeast but I have not been able to find a doctor who is

willing to do this. It is very frustrating,I take two doses of

Diflucan, it goes away and comes right back. Have to go running to

the doctor every time the yeast comes back, would be much better if I

could SUPPRESS the yeast by taking Diflucan on a regular basis.

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I second that - taking diflucan long term can be very damaging, and it

only treats symptoms, not the causes of the yeast.

If you need a long term treatment, oral nystatin would be much more

effective and gentler, along with an anti-yeast diet, like Blueberri

mentioned.

Melinda

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Thanks I will ask about the Nystatin. I'm not allowed to be on the

candida diet because I'm underweight.

>

> I second that - taking diflucan long term can be very damaging, and it

> only treats symptoms, not the causes of the yeast.

> If you need a long term treatment, oral nystatin would be much more

> effective and gentler, along with an anti-yeast diet, like Blueberri

> mentioned.

> Melinda

>

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Hey! Check out this article: http://www.aafp.org/afp/990315ap/1547.html table #1. I have had a few docs and even a midwife that were happy to rx long-term antifungals. These doctors are within driving distance of SF: www.harmonywomenshealth.com (beware of the oversell in her office, let her know you're on a tight budget and you want to try long-term diflucan. She gave me TONS of it). And also: www.caringforwomyn.com this guy is amazing. Also, if your docs won't rx it you can buy yeast arrest suppositories made of boric acid, which can help clear up vaginal yeast, along with dietary changes and natural antifungals might be helpful. Take care, Lindsey

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If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of

weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil,

eggs, etc.

Melinda

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Have you tried Yeast Arrest boric acid suppositories by Vitannica? I use those and I cant use any other creams or suppositories, but those work for me.

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Thanks I will have to look into that diet. I am now having vomiting,

diarrhea, stomach pain and severe dizziness from all the Diflun I'm

taking I feel horrible and I don't know what to do, I can't insert

any medication vaginally. I don't have a doctor appointment until next

week, i hope there is some other oral medication that has less side

effects.

>

> If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of

> weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil,

> eggs, etc.

> Melinda

>

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HI Lulubuns..

I'm so sorry you're going thru all of that... gosh it almost sounds like the flu. *sigh* I know those antiyeast meds can make you feel like that *Ugh* like a nauseated feeling... almost like morning sickness.. YUCK.

Just a reminder though is to not take an antibiotic (esp. Erythromycin) while take Diflucan... the combination can be pretty risky for the heart.

Hope you're feeling better soon hon and hope you're done with that Diflucan and that it was worth it.

Hugs

Dee

Re: long term antifungal treatment

Thanks I will have to look into that diet. I am now having vomiting,diarrhea, stomach pain and severe dizziness from all the Diflun I'mtaking I feel horrible and I don't know what to do, I can't insertany medication vaginally. I don't have a doctor appointment until nextweek, i hope there is some other oral medication that has less sideeffects. >> If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of > weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil, > eggs, etc.> Melinda>------------------------------------**IF REPLYING TO THIS POST, PLEASE REMOVE ORIGINAL POST, Thanks for your cooperation! *****

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I used Oil of Oregano for quite a while. I would put a few drops in a

small glass of water (shot glass), and swallow in one gulp - it tastes

nasty! But, it kept the yeast away. Diflucan didn't touch my yeast.

My doc also applied Gentian Violet. It was a slower process, it took

at least a month of once a weeek applications but it worked. My doc

would " paint " me inside and out. But, I found out you can buy Gentian

Violet over the counter, you just have to ask for it at the pharmacy

counter and then the best way I've found to get it everywhere is to

douche with it. I liked this treatment because I didn't have to

change my diet or lifestyle. Those changes just seemed very difficult

for me.

Hope this helps!

Be sure to drink some electrolytes whenever you can to offset all the

ones you are losing with the vomiting and diarrhea. I am a nurse and

I've had people in my ICU unit because of V and D. Actually, I would

suggest stopping the Diflucan (if you are taking any more treatments)

and call your doc ASAP.

> >

> > If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of

> > weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil,

> > eggs, etc.

> > Melinda

> >

>

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I think it's interesting that before the pharmaceutical companies, there were always natural ways of treating diseases. Take yeast infections for instance--boric acid and Gentian Violet have been around a lot longer than monistat or diflucan but because boric acid and gentian violet are more effective, the pharmaceuticals most likely won't market them because they won't make as much money with natural, holistic treatments. I'm certain over-use of monistat is what led to my vestibulitis and resistant yeast infections. I'm finding it's responding to the boric acid more than anything elsesnailsgal wrote: I used Oil of Oregano for quite a while. I would put a few drops in asmall glass of water (shot glass), and swallow in one gulp - it tastesnasty! But, it kept the yeast away. Diflucan didn't touch my yeast.My doc also applied Gentian Violet. It was a slower process, it tookat least a month of once a weeek applications but it worked. My docwould "paint" me inside and out. But, I found out you can buy GentianViolet over the counter, you just have to ask for it at the pharmacycounter and then the best way I've found to get it everywhere is todouche with it. I liked this treatment because I didn't have tochange my diet or lifestyle. Those changes just seemed very difficultfor me.Hope this helps!Be sure to drink some electrolytes whenever you can to offset all theones you are losing with the vomiting and diarrhea. I

am a nurse andI've had people in my ICU unit because of V and D. Actually, I wouldsuggest stopping the Diflucan (if you are taking any more treatments)and call your doc ASAP.> >> > If you do the Body Ecology Diet,

you don't have to lose a lot of > > weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil, > > eggs, etc.> > Melinda> >>

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Sounds like it did go the otherway! The diflucan worked so much it put you over the edge the other way!I have had that happen! Sucks once a women's PH and body are off balance. It seems impossible for some of us to balance it. The only way I seem to be able to do it is to be on a very strict diet which I have not been on...I need too! I have gained 15 lbs. since I went off of it.! I just love dairy, wheat and sugar so much!@darn!

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I think I must have overdosed on the Diflucan- i took it every three

days for three weeks. Normally I only get mild side effects from it

but this time it was just too much for my system. Today the yeast is

gone and Bacterial vaginosis is back.

> >

> > If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of

> > weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil,

> > eggs, etc.

> > Melinda

> >

>

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HI Lulubuns.

I know it can be a viscious circle that's for sure. *sigh*

Kill one thing but get another. What a roller coaster ride.

I never had a problem using antibiotics where it gave me a

yeast infection as I hear some of you get. (or vice versa)

Lucky me I guess. But it sure sounds like your pH levels are

all messed up hon.... to jump so fast from one level that yeast

loves, to a higher one that bacteria loves. arghhhhhhh and

to find the right pH level that our vagina needs. *sigh*

Just curious as to how you know it's now a bacterial one?

I know most feel that douching shouldn't be done but using

something that keeps those pH levels in a good normal range

'might' help. I do (rarely) but when it's needed if I feel a yeast

infection coming on either with a vinegar wash (internally) or with

the Betadine *iodine*. It can work for either yeast or bacteria since

it helps to restore normal pH levels. it usually worked for me anyway.

Done it for years and never had a problem either.

Another thing I've always done after sex (w.no protection) is just

a plain warm water wash to get the ejaculate out of me PDQ. A few

quick squirts and I'm done. Keeps me from dripping all night

long too *LOL*

I use those throw away bottles like 'Summers Eve' and just reuse those.

By the way I think they have a vinegar one already made up.. and

Massingils used to have a Betadine one. I buy the concentrated

Betadine, and make up my own on that one) and like I said

'I've' just never had any problems much as they say we shouldn't.

Ejaculate has a really high pH level (compared to what our vagina

needs) and it 'might' be part of the problem as well, esp. if it

stays in you for any length of time. Just a thought for what it's worth.

I sure feel for you hon. *sigh* and just my two cents. :)HugsDee

----- Original Message ----- From: lulubuns

I think I must have overdosed on the Diflucan- i took it every threedays for three weeks. Normally I only get mild side effects from itbut this time it was just too much for my system. Today the yeast isgone and Bacterial vaginosis is back.

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Have you tried Tindamax for BV? I used it last month and so far so good for the BV.

I took Nystatin while taking Tindamax so I wouldn't get yeast.

Sherri

-------------- Original message -------------- > I think I must have overdosed on the Diflucan- i took it every three > days for three weeks. Normally I only get mild side effects from it > but this time it was just too much for my system. Today the yeast is > gone and Bacterial vaginosis is back. > > > > > > > If you do the Body Ecology Diet, you don't have to lose a lot of > > > weight - it focuses on good fats like lots of avocado, coconut oil, > > > eggs, etc. > > > Melinda > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > **IF REPLYING TO THIS POST, PLEASE REMOVE ORIGINAL POST, > > Thanks for your cooperation! ** > > > > ***

[Guest guest]

no I haven't tried that, sounds like a good idea! if only i had some

openminded doctors who would prescribe whatever I want lol.

>

> Have you tried Tindamax for BV? I used it last month and so far so

good for the BV.

> I took Nystatin while taking Tindamax so I wouldn't get yeast.

>

> Sherri

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My BV symptoms are severe, so I immediately know when it's back. I get

massive inflammation, the lips swell up huge and it has crusty stuff

that grows on it and is very sore. Doctors say BV isn't supposed to

cause inflammation but for some reason I have an immune system

response to it. I have swollen glands in my groin area too. I haven't

taken antibiotics for it since January since they also give me side

effects. I try to live with the pain and hope someday the probiotics

are going to colonize. But i think I will give in and take the

antibiotics for it- I heard it can cause pelvic inflammatory disease

if it's left untreated for too long. I certainly don't need any more

problems!

>

> HI Lulubuns.

>

> I know it can be a viscious circle that's for sure. *sigh*

> Kill one thing but get another. What a roller coaster ride.

>

> I never had a problem using antibiotics where it gave me a

> yeast infection as I hear some of you get. (or vice versa)

> Lucky me I guess. But it sure sounds like your pH levels are

> all messed up hon.... to jump so fast from one level that yeast

> loves, to a higher one that bacteria loves. arghhhhhhh and

> to find the right pH level that our vagina needs. *sigh*

>

> Just curious as to how you know it's now a bacterial one?

>

> I know most feel that douching shouldn't be done but using

> something that keeps those pH levels in a good normal range

> 'might' help. I do (rarely) but when it's needed if I feel a yeast

> infection coming on either with a vinegar wash (internally) or with

> the Betadine *iodine*. It can work for either yeast or bacteria since

> it helps to restore normal pH levels. it usually worked for me

anyway.

> Done it for years and never had a problem either.

>

> Another thing I've always done after sex (w.no protection) is just

> a plain warm water wash to get the ejaculate out of me PDQ. A few

> quick squirts and I'm done. Keeps me from dripping all night

> long too *LOL*

>

> I use those throw away bottles like 'Summers Eve' and just reuse those.

> By the way I think they have a vinegar one already made up.. and

> Massingils used to have a Betadine one. I buy the concentrated

> Betadine, and make up my own on that one) and like I said

> 'I've' just never had any problems much as they say we shouldn't.

>

> Ejaculate has a really high pH level (compared to what our vagina

> needs) and it 'might' be part of the problem as well, esp. if it

> stays in you for any length of time. Just a thought for what it's

worth.

>

> I sure feel for you hon. *sigh* and just my two cents.

>

> Hugs

> Dee

>

>

>

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What are they giving you for BV? Ask about Tindamax.

-------------- Original message -------------- > no I haven't tried that, sounds like a good idea! if only i had some > openminded doctors who would prescribe whatever I want lol. > > > > > Have you tried Tindamax for BV? I used it last month and so far so > good for the BV. > > I took Nystatin while taking Tindamax so I wouldn't get yeast. > > > > Sherri > > > > ------------------------------------ > > **IF REPLYING TO THIS POST, PLEASE REMOVE ORIGINAL POST, > Thanks for your cooperation! ** > > ***

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Flagyl is the only oral med I have been prescribed and causes me

really bad muscle pain so I dread taking it. I'll ask about the

Tindamax, maybe it has less side effects. I was allergic to Metrogel

and Cleocin (and can't insert anything now anyway). Also had bad

allergic reactions to the natural remedies: boric acid, garlic, and

vaginal acidophilus.

>

> What are they giving you for BV? Ask about Tindamax.

>

[Guest guest]

Flagyl upsets my stomach. Boric Acid didn't work for me. Clindesse didn't completely get rid of it. I didn't have any side effects from Tindamax. Good luck.

-------------- Original message -------------- > Flagyl is the only oral med I have been prescribed and causes me > really bad muscle pain so I dread taking it. I'll ask about the > Tindamax, maybe it has less side effects. I was allergic to Metrogel > and Cleocin (and can't insert anything now anyway). Also had bad > allergic reactions to the natural remedies: boric acid, garlic, and > vaginal acidophilus. > > > > > > What are they giving you for BV? Ask about Tindamax. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > **IF REPLYING TO THIS POST, PLEASE REMOVE ORIGINAL POST, > Thanks for your cooperation! ** > > ***

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Are you using Femdophilus as one of your probiotics? If not, it containstwo strains which have been proven to be effective colonizers in theurethra and vagina within a matter of days. The capsules can also beinserted into the vagina. Can't get any more direct than that!HollisMy BV symptoms are severe, so I immediately know when it's back. I get massive inflammation, the lips swell up huge and it has crusty stuff that grows on it and is very sore. Doctors say BV isn't supposed to cause inflammation but for some reason I have an immune system response to it. I have swollen glands in my groin area too. I haven't taken antibiotics for it since January since they also give me side effects. I try to live with the pain and hope someday the probiotics are going to colonize. But i think I will give in and take the antibiotics for it- I heard it can cause pelvic inflammatory disease if it's left untreated for too long. I certainly don't need any more problems! > > HI Lulubuns. > > I know it can be a viscious circle that's for sure. *sigh* > Kill one thing but get another. What a roller coaster ride. > > I never had a problem using antibiotics where it gave me a > yeast infection as I hear some of you get. (or vice versa) > Lucky me I guess. But it sure sounds like your pH levels are > all messed up hon.... to jump so fast from one level that yeast > loves, to a higher one that bacteria loves. arghhhhhhh and > to find the right pH level that our vagina needs. *sigh* > > Just curious as to how you know it's now a bacterial one? > > I know most feel that douching shouldn't be done but using > something that keeps those pH levels in a good normal range > 'might' help. I do (rarely) but when it's needed if I feel a yeast > infection coming on either with a vinegar wash (internally) or with > the Betadine *iodine*. It can work for either yeast or bacteria since > it helps to restore normal pH levels. it usually worked for me anyway. > Done it for years and never had a problem either. > > Another thing I've always done after sex (w.no protection) is just > a plain warm water wash to get the ejaculate out of me PDQ. A few > quick squirts and I'm done. Keeps me from dripping all night > long too *LOL* > > I use those throw away bottles like 'Summers Eve' and just reuse those. > By the way I think they have a vinegar one already made up.. and > Massingils used to have a Betadine one. I buy the concentrated > Betadine, and make up my own on that one) and like I said > 'I've' just never had any problems much as they say we shouldn't. > > Ejaculate has a really high pH level (compared to what our vagina > needs) and it 'might' be part of the problem as well, esp. if it > stays in you for any length of time. Just a thought for what it's worth. > > I sure feel for you hon. *sigh* and just my two cents. > > Hugs > Dee > > >

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Yes, I've been taking FemDophilus orally twice a day for 6 months

(caused burning and swelling when i tried inserting it). So far

nothing, also taking lots of other probiotics (spending a lot of money

I don't have!). Today the yeast is back, it's driving me crazy

>

>

> Are you using Femdophilus as one of your probiotics? If not, it

> contains

> two strains which have been proven to be effective colonizers in the

> urethra and vagina within a matter of days. The capsules can also be

> inserted into the vagina. Can't get any more direct than that!

>

> Hollis

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Lulubuns,

Have you tried HMF Replete? It's a super probiotic--like 150-200 billion live

bacteria per

dose. It's from the UK and sold in North America through a Canadian distributor

(yourethecure.com). I take half a " sachet " daily, but you could also try a week

or two of

intensive treatment and then go back to your maintenance product/dose. It's

helped me a

lot.

Glomer

> >

> >

> > Are you using Femdophilus as one of your probiotics? If not, it

> > contains

> > two strains which have been proven to be effective colonizers in the

> > urethra and vagina within a matter of days. The capsules can also be

> > inserted into the vagina. Can't get any more direct than that!

> >

> > Hollis

>

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Sorry to hear that the Femdophilus isn't helping . . . and that you'rehaving a resurgence of the yeast. Are you on a yeast controldiet? (Sorry if you've already answered that. I'm inundated withemails the last few days and can't keep individual people's storiesstraight.)HollisYes, I've been taking FemDophilus orally twice a day for 6 months (caused burning and swelling when i tried inserting it). So far nothing, also taking lots of other probiotics (spending a lot of money I don't have!). Today the yeast is back, it's driving me crazy > > > Are you using Femdophilus as one of your probiotics? If not, it > contains > two strains which have been proven to be effective colonizers in the > urethra and vagina within a matter of days. The capsules can also be > inserted into the vagina. Can't get any more direct than that! > > Hollis

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Lulu, Are you positive that you have yeast? Cytolytic Vaginosis can cause itching and swelling and pain, too. It's when you have too much 'good' bacteria. Just made me think of it where you said inserting the Femdophilus caused more pain. Have you tried boric acid suppositories? They are supposed to be good for yeast and BV. Hang in there.... Chellelulubuns wrote: Yes, I've been taking FemDophilus orally twice a day for 6 months(caused burning and swelling when i tried inserting it). So farnothing, also taking lots of other probiotics (spending a lot of moneyI don't have!). Today the yeast is back, it's driving me crazy