Re: please help anout vivelle dot patch

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I am wondering if I am getting too much estrogen. Feel warm, nauseous and anxious, the vulvar specialist I go to is very helpful, but she is out sick for a while. Please if anyone can help I would appreiate it, very scared. Thank you, Sharon

Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet

Baukti,

I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT.

If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die,

it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it

and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the

benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and there.

Melinda

Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.

Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.

[Guest guest]

Sharon if you are having that reaction to an E patch... hon just take it off. Since it's so natural it should leave your system fairly fast. I'm SO sorry that you couldn't use the topical Estrace or compounded estradiol (if it's compounded in a mild base hopefully that wouldn't irritate you) ... since the topical usually isn't systemic (unless it's overused) where the patch is of course.

It just may be too much for you, esp. if you are younger. Besides, It's not systemic estrogen we need. *sigh* It has more to do with the damaged or blocked E. 'receptors' on the vulvar skin... not the blood levels hon and why it has to be a direct local application.

No one could have been worse than myself when I used the reg. Estrace cream believe me... I could have easily said I can't tolerate it and never went back and shed many a tear. I was filled with huge blisters, weeping, seeping, and oozing and looked like raw bloody hamburger, but believe me I didn't give up on it. I only WISH I had known about compounded meds back then *sigh* or had enough sense to even dilute it down. DUH

But I was determined to get well and I 'knew' technically how the estradiol could do that, I knew that's what the skin thrives and lives on, so I suffered thru it and used only once every 4 days if I could in the beginning, with time, (and that took 6 weeks probably) the applications came closer and it took me a full six months to full restoration after suffering those ten years of hell, but that's how determined 'I" was to get well and I sure did.

But believe me hon I know how that pain feels and it's definitely no picnic *groan* I just want to say to not give up on it that's all.

Anyway hon don't be scared.... just get off of that patch ok? You'll be fine.

HugsDee

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon, I am coming from a natural perspective on what I think this is. I had first noticed that I cannot tolerate estrogen when a while ago a doctor gave me a birth control for my skin problems and the first week I started to have panic attacks so I stopped. Later for the vulvodynia I was prescribed topical estrogen to help heal the vulvar skin and it does work the only problem is that I started to get uncomfortable lower abdominal cramps like when you have a period. I told my doctor but she said that that was impossible as I was using so little just on the outside that nothing was being absorbing into my body. I tried it several times and the same thing happened as well as noticing that my hips looked slightly bigger which I attributed to the estrogen also, I also noticed that on my face that my skin would look much clearer so I feel that even the small amounts I was

using were being absorbed. I have also noticed in recent years I have done all kinds of herbs for my inflammatory problems and they do help my vuvlodynia and skin problems and all the inflammations but I notice side effects even with herbs, such as more fat on my hips and stomach,cramping in the lower abdomen and sometimes my period seems to come on earlier, my period has always been normal. What I have finally concluded is that estrogen and certain "yin" herbs bring down inflammations in the body but if your liver is weak any type of estrogen or "yin" herbs are not well detoxed. Through reading alot of ideas in natural medicine the liver is suppose to detox not only chemicals in the body but also any excess hormones so when the liver is weaked from chemical exposures, ect. it cannot detox excess hormones out of the body so you become very sensitive to any excess. Recently I had been feeling better going to an

acupuncturist/ herbalist who gave me herbs to bring down inflammation but I noticed that even though my skin and vulvodynia improved immensely I felt tierd and my lower abdomen was aching and my period was coming a week early, so I took a Chinese herbal combination for the liver and sure enough the lower abdominal aching went away in an hour. So now I have been doing liver flushing every morning for the past several days and I have been drinking a lot of dandelion rt. tea and I have to say I slept really well last night and had good dreams usually I feel stressed and have bad dreams. I also noticed that the last several days I have had energy to exercise and usually I am so tierd. I attributed my fatigue to possible thyroid problems as my sister has Hashimoto's and I have elevated antibodies to thyroid. But lately I have been reading about autoimmune problems and some of the top researchers say now that it is a

combination of genetic propensity and environmental exposure. I also read a book recently by a women who advocates liver cleansing and she says in her book that weaken liver function is the cause of autoimmune illness, allergies as well as cancer and obesity. I have been thinking alot about this because so many people I know have strange illnesses now a days and I have always thought it has to do with the overload of chemicals we are exposed to and maybe for a lot of us with vulvodynia these problems seem to start after antibiotics and yeast infection but maybe it has more to do with the toxic effect that antibiotics have on the liver instead of the yeast thing. In Chinese medicine they believe that you don't get bladder infections or yeast unless your body is already in a weakened state. In Traditional Chinese Medicine you have meridians( which is where they put the needles) that run along the body that relate to

different organs. It is believed that anything wrong on a meridian relates to problems in that organ. Also, interestingly the external vulva area is on the liver meridian. There was a women on here recently that said she cured her vulvodynia by going on a raw food diet. I did try raw food for a short while and I had energy for a change but I probably didn't do it long enough to get my vulvodynia down I think now though that many people get results for their health problems from this kind of diet because it puts the least amount of strain on the liver and think many people have weak livers. Not just people but many people I have talked to with dogs with all sorts of health problems especially allergies have alleviated them with raw food diets. I think it might have to do with toxic, weaken livers and people and pets are having to go on these extreme diets in order to feel normal. Anyhow, this is just my perspective on it. Take care,

Bauktisbcmt@... wrote: I am having a very bad night I think a big panic attack or severe hot flash, going out of mind. I have been reading many of the group posts. I could not tolerate local estrogen of any sort so started vivelle dot estrogen patch. It has helped my inflammaoty vaginitis tremendously. But when I work out or get hot I feel that somehow the patch is not working, even though it is on it seems moist under neath, so I change it. I am no longer on a regular schedule, I change it too often and am

having terrible mood swings and these attacks. I am so scared, has anyone had this problem, hope to get back on a regular schedule and then get OFF it. I would appreciate any input. Thank you Sharon Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet Baukti,I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT. If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die, it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and

there.Melinda Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.

[Guest guest]

Hi Baukti,

Would you please describe your liver protocol? I'm taking N-Acetyl-Cysteine and

a

burdock/yellow dock/milk thistle tincture, but haven't done any cleanses.

The liver processes hormones and so is also central to complementary therapies

for

treating endometriosis. Here's a link:

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-05.xhtml

(This woman is selling something so I'm a bit wary, but her logic makes sense to

me.)

Thanks,

Glomer

I am having a very bad night I think a big panic

attack or severe

hot flash, going out of mind. I have been reading many of the group posts. I

could not

tolerate local estrogen of any sort so started vivelle dot estrogen patch. It

has helped my

inflammaoty vaginitis tremendously. But when I work out or get hot I feel that

somehow

the patch is not working, even though it is on it seems moist under neath, so I

change it. I

am no longer on a regular schedule, I change it too often and am having terrible

mood

swings and these attacks. I am so scared, has anyone had this problem, hope to

get back

on a regular schedule and then get OFF it. I would appreciate any input. Thank

you

Sharon

>

>

> Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet

>

> Baukti,

> I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT.

> If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die,

> it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it

> and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the

> benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and there.

> Melinda

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.

>

[Guest guest]

baukti -- what is the name of the book?hollisHi Sharon, I am coming from a natural perspective on what I think this is. I had first noticed that I cannot tolerate estrogen when a while ago a doctor gave me a birth control for my skin problems and the first week I started to have panic attacks so I stopped. Later for the vulvodynia I was prescribed topical estrogen to help heal the vulvar skin and it does work the only problem is that I started to get uncomfortable lower abdominal cramps like when you have a period. I told my doctor but she said that that was impossible as I was using so little just on the outside that nothing was being absorbing into my body. I tried it several times and the same thing happened as well as noticing that my hips looked slightly bigger which I attributed to the estrogen also, I also noticed that on my face that my skin would look much clearer so I feel that even the small amounts I was using were being absorbed. I have also noticed in recent years I have done all kinds of herbs for my inflammatory problems and they do help my vuvlodynia and skin problems and all the inflammations but I notice side effects even with herbs, such as more fat on my hips and stomach,cramping in the lower abdomen and sometimes my period seems to come on earlier, my period has always been normal. What I have finally concluded is that estrogen and certain " yin " herbs bring down inflammations in the body but if your liver is weak any type of estrogen or " yin " herbs are not well detoxed. Through reading alot of ideas in natural medicine the liver is suppose to detox not only chemicals in the body but also any excess hormones so when the liver is weaked from chemical exposures, ect. it cannot detox excess hormones out of the body so you become very sensitive to any excess. Recently I had been feeling better going to an acupuncturist/ herbalist who gave me herbs to bring down inflammation but I noticed that even though my skin and vulvodynia improved immensely I felt tierd and my lower abdomen was aching and my period was coming a week early, so I took a Chinese herbal combination for the liver and sure enough the lower abdominal aching went away in an hour. So now I have been doing liver flushing every morning for the past several days and I have been drinking a lot of dandelion rt. tea and I have to say I slept really well last night and had good dreams usually I feel stressed and have bad dreams. I also noticed that the last several days I have had energy to exercise and usually I am so tierd. I attributed my fatigue to possible thyroid problems as my sister has Hashimoto's and I have elevated antibodies to thyroid. But lately I have been reading about autoimmune problems and some of the top researchers say now that it is a combination of genetic propensity and environmental exposure. I also read a book recently by a women who advocates liver cleansing and she says in her book that weaken liver function is the cause of autoimmune illness, allergies as well as cancer and obesity.

[Guest guest]

I don't remeber the name of the book but the authors last name was Cabot. Bauktihgz wrote: baukti -- what is the name of the book? hollis Hi Sharon, I am coming from a natural perspective on what I think this is. I had first noticed that I cannot tolerate estrogen when a while ago a doctor gave me a birth control for my skin problems and the first week I started to have panic attacks so I stopped. Later for the vulvodynia I was prescribed topical estrogen to help heal the vulvar skin and it does work the only problem is that I started to get uncomfortable lower abdominal cramps like when you have a period. I told my doctor but she said that that was impossible as I was using so little just on the outside that

nothing was being absorbing into my body. I tried it several times and the same thing happened as well as noticing that my hips looked slightly bigger which I attributed to the estrogen also, I also noticed that on my face that my skin would look much clearer so I feel that even the small amounts I was using were being absorbed. I have also noticed in recent years I have done all kinds of herbs for my inflammatory problems and they do help my vuvlodynia and skin problems and all the inflammations but I notice side effects even with herbs, such as more fat on my hips and stomach,cramping in the lower abdomen and sometimes my period seems to come on earlier, my period has always been normal. What I have finally concluded is that estrogen and certain "yin" herbs bring down inflammations in the body but if your liver is weak any type of estrogen or "yin" herbs are not well detoxed. Through reading alot of ideas in natural medicine the liver is suppose to

detox not only chemicals in the body but also any excess hormones so when the liver is weaked from chemical exposures, ect. it cannot detox excess hormones out of the body so you become very sensitive to any excess. Recently I had been feeling better going to an acupuncturist/ herbalist who gave me herbs to bring down inflammation but I noticed that even though my skin and vulvodynia improved immensely I felt tierd and my lower abdomen was aching and my period was coming a week early, so I took a Chinese herbal combination for the liver and sure enough the lower abdominal aching went away in an hour. So now I have been doing liver flushing every morning for the past several days and I have been drinking a lot of dandelion rt. tea and I have to say I slept really well last night and had good dreams usually I feel stressed and have bad dreams. I also noticed that the last several days I have had energy to exercise and usually I am so tierd. I attributed my

fatigue to possible thyroid problems as my sister has Hashimoto's and I have elevated antibodies to thyroid. But lately I have been reading about autoimmune problems and some of the top researchers say now that it is a combination of genetic propensity and environmental exposure. I also read a book recently by a women who advocates liver cleansing and she says in her book that weaken liver function is the cause of autoimmune illness, allergies as well as cancer and obesity.

[Guest guest]

Dee, I think you are right, I willget off the patch and try and find a base I can tolerate. The estrogen over a long time and just a little hydrocotisone in petroleum have helped sooo much , almost completely along with acyclovir. Thanks Sharon

Re: please help anout vivelle dot patch

Sharon if you are having that reaction to an E patch... hon just take it off. Since it's so natural it should leave your system fairly fast. I'm SO sorry that you couldn't use the topical Estrace or compounded estradiol (if it's compounded in a mild base hopefully that wouldn't irritate you) ... since the topical usually isn't systemic (unless it's overused) where the patch is of course.

It just may be too much for you, esp. if you are younger. Besides, It's not systemic estrogen we need. *sigh* It has more to do with the damaged or blocked E. 'receptors' on the vulvar skin... not the blood levels hon and why it has to be a direct local application.

No one could have been worse than myself when I used the reg. Estrace cream believe me... I could have easily said I can't tolerate it and never went back and shed many a tear. I was filled with huge blisters, weeping, seeping, and oozing and looked like raw bloody hamburger, but believe me I didn't give up on it. I only WISH I had known about compounded meds back then *sigh* or had enough sense to even dilute it down. DUH

But I was determined to get well and I 'knew' technically how the estradiol could do that, I knew that's what the skin thrives and lives on, so I suffered thru it and used only once every 4 days if I could in the beginning, with time, (and that took 6 weeks probably) the applications came closer and it took me a full six months to full restoration after suffering those ten years of hell, but that's how determined 'I" was to get well and I sure did.

But believe me hon I know how that pain feels and it's definitely no picnic *groan* I just want to say to not give up on it that's all.

Anyway hon don't be scared.... just get off of that patch ok? You'll be fine.

Hugs

Dee

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[Guest guest]

Hi Glomer, I think I am really sensitive to a lot of things( chemical as well as natural) but I noticed I can drink dandelion root tea and I take a little milk thistle but even that can bother me in large amounts. The main things are the liver flushes as those are the things that are really suppose to help get rid of pesticides and chemicals out of the body. I have tried the more drastic ones you find on the web and made myself horribly and I mean horribly ill. What I mean is the olive oil/ lemon flushes where you drink a whole bunch and take ebsom salt and lay down at night and let your liver purge. The next day I was so achy and ill I swore I would never do it again. I told the environmental doctor about that and he thought it was because so much toxins were released that it overwhelmed my body, so be cautious of that. The one I am doing now is a " The 5 day liver flush" I got from a naturalpath a long time ago and at that time I didn't really

have the vulodynia pain I was mainly having skin problems and a strange fatigue in my muscles and I looked ill. I did the cleanse for 5 days and suddenly felt energetic my body didn't hurt and my skin completely cleared and all my symptoms went away but then a week later I was back to feeling badly but I never forgot that as I always thought it was interesting how good I felt and looked. Well now I am doing the "5 day liver cleanse" but not completely the original way. The original way is that in the morning you drink a "breakfast cocktail" which is: Juice of one whole lemon or lime, 2 tablespoons of virgin olive oil and two cloves of garlic chopped mix and then drink it down. Wait half an hour and drink tea like peppermint. Then after an hour eat fruit as much as you want but only one kind of fruit. Then for the rest of the day lunch and dinner eat only veges and no salt, only lemon and olive oil as dressing. The naturapath also had me take milk thistle

tincture in my tea after each meal she also at the time gave me caprylic acid to take also. Now, I am just doing the " cocktail" in the morning and then waiting half an hour and drinking peppermint tea with a little bit of milk thistle in it and then fruit an hour later and then later I eat a normal lunch and dinner but still healthy like veges and rice and tonight I am eating some chicken and veges. I can't really do just veges as it makes me feel too weak. I may try the original way later but for now I am just doing the cleanse and fruit breakfast in the a.m. and drinking dandelion rt. tea during the day. It sounds simple I know but I have known other people personally who have had good results with this simple way of flushing the liver of toxins. Interesting what you mentioned about endometrosis and liver because that is what I was feeling like I might be getting but when I started taking those chinese herbs to help move

the liver the pain went away,,, I hope it stays away. Bauktiglomer1977 wrote: Hi Baukti,Would you please describe your liver protocol? I'm taking N-Acetyl-Cysteine and a burdock/yellow dock/milk thistle tincture, but haven't done any cleanses. The liver processes hormones and so is also central to complementary therapies for treating endometriosis. Here's a link:http://www.sensiblehealth.com/Journey-05.xhtml(This woman is selling something so I'm a bit wary, but her logic makes sense to me.)Thanks,Glomer I am having a very bad night I think a big panic attack or severe hot flash, going out of mind. I have been reading many of the group posts. I could not tolerate local estrogen of any sort so started vivelle dot estrogen patch. It has helped my inflammaoty vaginitis tremendously. But when I work out or get hot I feel that somehow the patch is not working, even though it is on it seems moist under neath, so I change it. I am no longer on a regular schedule, I change it too often and am having terrible mood swings and these attacks. I am so scared, has anyone had this problem, hope to get back

on a regular schedule and then get OFF it. I would appreciate any input. Thank you Sharon > > > Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet> > Baukti,> I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT. > If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die, > it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it > and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the > benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and there.> Melinda> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Stay

informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Baukti! I think I'll give your 5-day cleanse a try once the quarter's

over (I'm in

grad school). Also, keep us posted on your candida-desensitization--I'm doing

something

similar for related molds and am interested in hearing from more people trying

this

approach.

Take care,

Glomer

I am having a very bad night I think a big panic attack or

severe

> hot flash, going out of mind. I have been reading many of the group posts. I

could not

> tolerate local estrogen of any sort so started vivelle dot estrogen patch. It

has helped my

> inflammaoty vaginitis tremendously. But when I work out or get hot I feel that

somehow

> the patch is not working, even though it is on it seems moist under neath, so

I change

it. I

> am no longer on a regular schedule, I change it too often and am having

terrible mood

> swings and these attacks. I am so scared, has anyone had this problem, hope to

get

back

> on a regular schedule and then get OFF it. I would appreciate any input. Thank

you

> Sharon

> >

> >

> > Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet

> >

> > Baukti,

> > I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT.

> > If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die,

> > it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it

> > and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the

> > benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and there.

> > Melinda

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Glomer, I am mainly doing the liver cleanse to just detox as I think it doesn't hurt I don't know if it will really cure me but I can tell you that I really think I have noticed that I have gotten better from the drops but I will keep you posted if anything changes one way or another. Take care, Bauktiglomer1977 wrote: Thanks, Baukti! I think I'll give your 5-day cleanse a try once the quarter's over (I'm in grad school). Also, keep us posted on your candida-desensitization--I'm doing something

similar for related molds and am interested in hearing from more people trying this approach.Take care,Glomer I am having a very bad night I think a big panic attack or severe > hot flash, going out of mind. I have been reading many of the group posts. I could not > tolerate local estrogen of any sort so started vivelle dot estrogen patch. It has helped my > inflammaoty vaginitis tremendously. But when I work out or get hot I feel that somehow

> the patch is not working, even though it is on it seems moist under neath, so I change it. I > am no longer on a regular schedule, I change it too often and am having terrible mood > swings and these attacks. I am so scared, has anyone had this problem, hope to get back > on a regular schedule and then get OFF it. I would appreciate any input. Thank you > Sharon > > > > > > Re: Question to Bluberri and others about Candida Diet> > > > Baukti,> > I did the Body Ecology Diet which believes you have to be UBER-STRICT. > > If you cheat even a little, you are feeding the yeast and it won't die,

> > it will cling on and on. I say, if you are going for it, just go for it > > and do it right. It sucks to do it almost all the way but not see the > > benefits because you had a piece of fruit here and there.> > Melinda> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Stay informed, get connected and more with AOL on your phone.> >>

[Guest guest]

Found it. In case anyone's interested in checking it out, here's a link:http://www.amazon.com/Liver-Cleansing-Diet--Cabot/dp/0646277898/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1212076756 & sr=1-11HollisOn Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:10 PM, baukti baukti wrote:I don't remeber the name of the book but the authors last name was Cabot. Baukti hgz <hgz (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote: baukti -- what is the name of the book? hollis Hi Sharon, I am coming from a natural perspective on what I think this is. I had first noticed that I cannot tolerate estrogen when a while ago a doctor gave me a birth control for my skin problems and the first week I started to have panic attacks so I stopped. Later for the vulvodynia I was prescribed topical estrogen to help heal the vulvar skin and it does work the only problem is that I started to get uncomfortable lower abdominal cramps like when you have a period. I told my doctor but she said that that was impossible as I was using so little just on the outside that nothing was being absorbing into my body. I tried it several times and the same thing happened as well as noticing that my hips looked slightly bigger which I attributed to the estrogen also, I also noticed that on my face that my skin would look much clearer so I feel that even the small amounts I was using were being absorbed. I have also noticed in recent years I have done all kinds of herbs for my inflammatory problems and they do help my vuvlodynia and skin problems and all the inflammations but I notice side effects even with herbs, such as more fat on my hips and stomach,cramping in the lower abdomen and sometimes my period seems to come on earlier, my period has always been normal. What I have finally concluded is that estrogen and certain " yin " herbs bring down inflammations in the body but if your liver is weak any type of estrogen or " yin " herbs are not well detoxed. Through reading alot of ideas in natural medicine the liver is suppose to detox not only chemicals in the body but also any excess hormones so when the liver is weaked from chemical exposures, ect. it cannot detox excess hormones out of the body so you become very sensitive to any excess. Recently I had been feeling better going to an acupuncturist/ herbalist who gave me herbs to bring down inflammation but I noticed that even though my skin and vulvodynia improved immensely I felt tierd and my lower abdomen was aching and my period was coming a week early, so I took a Chinese herbal combination for the liver and sure enough the lower abdominal aching went away in an hour. So now I have been doing liver flushing every morning for the past several days and I have been drinking a lot of dandelion rt. tea and I have to say I slept really well last night and had good dreams usually I feel stressed and have bad dreams. I also noticed that the last several days I have had energy to exercise and usually I am so tierd. I attributed my fatigue to possible thyroid problems as my sister has Hashimoto's and I have elevated antibodies to thyroid. But lately I have been reading about autoimmune problems and some of the top researchers say now that it is a combination of genetic propensity and environmental exposure. I also read a book recently by a women who advocates liver cleansing and she says in her book that weaken liver function is the cause of autoimmune illness, allergies as well as cancer and obesity.