Re: n - Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted/ YES!

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Thank you again!Yesterday I listened over and over again to a melancholic disillusioned song about how the many was defeated by the few (6% is not a majority, not by far), and how what was supposed to be dead and gone forever (the bad old days of nazism) shows its head again. Part of the lyrics, in my translation: "The old times will never be back,

we believed it with certainty.

The old times are over, and by and gone,

doomed to disappear at last.

'We will never let them pass!'

That's what we called out,

for 'no one here will ever give up!'

And then they passed us anyway, in the end."Today I have changed that for a slightly more hopeful song by the same singer "In this very darkness". Translated lyrics below: "It's in this very darkness,

we must seek the light.

A small and tiny flame,

fluttering in the wind.

It's in this very cold,

we must seek the warmth;

others' open hands,

seeking ours.

It's in this very silence,

the shout must start,

start as a whisper,

turn into a cry of anger

It's in this very fear,

the courage must be born,

shivering and bright-eyed,

without any hesitation

struggling

longing

expecting

fluttering

like love itself

Alive

fumbling, tentative

persuasive

over and over

again and again

Where else would the light be visible,

if not in the middle of the night,

when the darkness is at its densest.

Tell me, where shall warmth

seek out warmth,

if not precisely during the winter,

when the cold is at its harshest.

Where shall the shout rise,

turn into a cry of anger,

if not in the silence,

where no word can be said.

Where shall the courage be born,

try out its wings,

if not in the fear,

where life defies death

struggling

longing

expecting

fluttering

like love itself

Alive

fumbling (tentative)

persuasive

over and over

again and again

In this very darkness.

In this very cold.

In this very fear.

In this very silence. "That's it, I suppose. We can't change what has happened, but it is now we must work to stop it in its tracks. That's the song for today. love/Reb >> Good Grief! (Not that we do not have them here, too, but at > least, so far, not as elected members of Congress!).> All my sympathy, Reb!> n, widow of a Holocaust Survivor> > > > > ________________________________> To: MSersLife > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:19:58 PM> Subject: Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> > > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it unbelievable, I > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and in a way I suppose > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would actually take place... an > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk of real > influence** as well.> > I am sad all over AND completely disgusted. > > Many sad and angry songs played today. Over and over again. > > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. That means 94% > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be, another day. > But today I am just sad and disgusted. > > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they actually got between > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen and heard > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not anytime. Only in > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. But here I have.... > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I can only agree, and > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have seen and heard > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political situation is just plain > nightmarish. It doesn't add up, it just doesn't. > > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one friend of mine said in > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want this whole > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> > love> /Reb> > > > > > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed nazi party, > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda or their politics, > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word, and they > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in public, with > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that as soon as they don't know > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local parliament > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly nazi, party has won a > seat. > > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a majority on their own, > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority government always at > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they will never > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day politics, when > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always hope, of course.>

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That second song is beautiful; the words haunting and profound.Thank you so much for sharing it with us, Reb.love to you and ,Kate Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> >> >> > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it> unbelievable, I> > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and > in a way> I suppose> > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would > actually take> place... an> > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk > of real> > influence** as well.> >> > I am sad all over AND completely disgusted.> >> > Many sad and angry songs played today. Over and over again.> >> > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. > That means> 94%> > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be,> another day.> > But today I am just sad and disgusted.> >> > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they > actually got> between> > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen> and heard> > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not > anytime.Only in> > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. > But here I> have....> > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I > can only> agree, and> > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have > seen and> heard> > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political situation is just> plain> > nightmarish. It doesn't add up, it just doesn't.> >> > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one > friend of> mine said in> > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want> this whole> > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> >> > love> > /Reb> >> >> >> >> >> > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed> nazi party,> > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda > or their> politics,> > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word,> and they> > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in > public,with> > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that as soon as > they don't> know> > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local> parliament> > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly > nazi, party> has won a> > seat.> >> > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a > majority on> their own,> > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority > governmentalways at> > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they> will never> > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day> politics, when> > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always > hope, of> course.> >> > Kate

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Thank you, Reb! There is most always room for action, and for hope!nTo: MSersLife Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 2:42:26 AMSubject: Re: n - Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted/ YES!

Thank you again!Yesterday I listened over and over again to a melancholic disillusioned song about how the many was defeated by the few (6% is not a majority, not by far), and how what was supposed to be dead and gone forever (the bad old days of nazism) shows its head again. Part of the lyrics, in my translation: "The old times will never be back,

we believed it with certainty.

The old times are over, and by and gone,

doomed to disappear at last.

'We will never let them pass!'

That's what we called out,

for 'no one here will ever give up!'

And then they passed us anyway, in the end."Today I have changed that for a slightly more hopeful song by the same singer "In this very darkness". Translated lyrics below: "It's in this very darkness,

we must seek the light.

A small and tiny flame,

fluttering in the wind.

It's in this very cold,

we must seek the warmth;

others' open hands,

seeking ours.

It's in this very silence,

the shout must start,

start as a whisper,

turn into a cry of anger

It's in this very fear,

the courage must be born,

shivering and bright-eyed,

without any hesitation

struggling

longing

expecting

fluttering

like love itself

Alive

fumbling, tentative

persuasive

over and over

again and again

Where else would the light be visible,

if not in the middle of the night,

when the darkness is at its densest.

Tell me, where shall warmth

seek out warmth,

if not precisely during the winter,

when the cold is at its harshest.

Where shall the shout rise,

turn into a cry of anger,

if not in the silence,

where no word can be said.

Where shall the courage be born,

try out its wings,

if not in the fear,

where life defies death

struggling

longing

expecting

fluttering

like love itself

Alive

fumbling (tentative)

persuasive

over and over

again and again

In this very darkness.

In this very cold.

In this very fear.

In this very silence. "That's it, I suppose. We can't change what has happened, but it is now we must work to stop it in its tracks. That's the song for today. love/Reb >> Good Grief! (Not that we do not have them here, too, but at > least, so far, not as elected members of Congress!).> All my sympathy, Reb!> n, widow of a Holocaust Survivor> > > > > ________________________________> To: MSersLife > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:19:58 PM> Subject: Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> > > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it unbelievable, I > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and in a way I suppose > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would actually take place... an > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk of real > influence** as well.> > I am sad all over AND completely

disgusted. > > Many sad and angry songs played today. Over and over again. > > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. That means 94% > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be, another day. > But today I am just sad and disgusted. > > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they actually got between > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen and heard > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not anytime. Only in > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. But here I have.... > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I can only agree, and > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have seen and heard > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political situation is just plain > nightmarish. It doesn't

add up, it just doesn't. > > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one friend of mine said in > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want this whole > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> > love> /Reb> > > > > > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed nazi party, > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda or their politics, > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word, and they > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in public, with > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that as soon as they don't know > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local parliament > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly nazi, party has won

a > seat. > > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a majority on their own, > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority government always at > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they will never > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day politics, when > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always hope, of course.>

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Thank you, n!Yes. Hope is the last to die, they say.love/Reb> >> > Good Grief! (Not that we do not have them here, too, but at > > least, so far, not as elected members of Congress!).> > All my sympathy, Reb!> > n, widow of a Holocaust Survivor> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Reb D reb_41se@> > To: MSersLife > > Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 1:19:58 PM> > Subject: Sad...no disgusted...no sad AND disgusted> > > > > > So...it happened...unbelievable as it is. Yes, I want to call it unbelievable, > >I > >> > know many say today it shouldn't have come as a surprise, and in a way I > >suppose > >> > it didn't, but I just never wanted to believe it would actually take place... > >an > >> > actual nazi party* in the Swedish parliament. And with a risk of real > > influence** as well.> > > > I am sad all over AND completely disgusted. > > > > Many sad and angry songs played today. Over and over again. > > > > I know. They (the morons who voted nazi) are only about 6%. That means 94% > > didn't. And I suppose that should be a comfort. Probably will be, another day. > > > But today I am just sad and disgusted. > > > > Doesn't make it a lot better that here where we are they actually got between > > 10% and 14%. said over dinner today: "Never before have I seen and heard > > people do the nazi salute [sieg Heil] live. Not anywhere. Not anytime. Only in > > > documentaries about the 1930's and 1940's and world war II. But here I have.... > >> > And yet this is a nice place. How is that even possible?" I can only agree, and > >> > I have no answer. This IS a nice place. But yes, here I have seen and heard > > that, and been disgusted by it, and the political situation is just plain > > nightmarish. It doesn't add up, it just doesn't. > > > > Sigh... I guess I should go to bed now, and I say as one friend of mine said in > >> > a text just now: "Going to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I want this whole > > election result to just have been a bad nasty dream". Agree.> > > > love> > /Reb> > > > > > > > > > > > * Sverigedemokraterna, abbreviated SD, used to be an self-acclaimed nazi party, > >> > they have cleaned up their act a little. But not their agenda or their > >politics, > >> > the only thing that has changed is they no longer use the nazi-word, and they > > *try* to refrain from saying Sieg Heil and stuff like that in public, with > > varied/limited success (ie. they tend to do that as soon as they don't know > > there is a camera or reporter present). And in at least one local parliament > > (City hall? Is that the word?), another, very much openly nazi, party has won a > >> > seat. > > > > ** Neither the socialist nor the non-socialist side won a majority on their > >own, > >> > so the solution, as it looks right now, will be a minority government always at > >> > risk of having to rely on the SD-party. I know they say *now* they will never > > ever do that, but we have yet to see that in actual day to day politics, when > > they need a majority vote in the parliament. One can always hope, of course.> >>