Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

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,

I do not now about the buffered c...hopefully others will chime in on this one

for you. Our doc just has us using the EmergenC packets, 1-6 a day as needed. He

always gets 1 in the morning (we use w/a full glass of water to take his morning

supps with...we down the Immusist w/his fish oil & herbs...including his LDM-100

then follow w/his other morning supps which includes many of his vits..all this

goes down w/his water/emergenc drink).

What comes directly to mind w/the calcium issue is biofilms which can feed/throw

off the bodies calcium ratios which also tends to throw off their magnesium

ratios....does there happen to be low magnesium you are dealing with.

A year ago w/were dealing w/some of this & ended up on a partial biofilm

protocol...rebalancing the zinc & magnesium ( & strontium for us....all bone

building during some early teen growth has been a big battle the last 2

years....he grew 4 " last year...it's no wonder we ended up w/his 1st broken bone

last summer....sigh...granted the daredevil stunt bike thing didn't

help....ahhhh, 13). We had to stop almost all his calcium (except his standard

multi & food intake)during his biofilm detox...we ended up bumping up his

magnesium..we still have the bumped up magnesium. We were off calcium for a few

months on the biofilm protocol. We've since started it back up. For the 1st time

ever his 08/2011 DD hair report shows him @ 50th percentile calcium, his

magnesium we are still working on...it was the lowest of all (high end yellow)

14 (ref 18-70...his strontium actually jumped for the 1st time to normal 1.7

(ref .30-3.2).

In fact 11 were in the white (50th percentile)!! the rest were in the green!!

only 1 was in the yellow (mg high yellow) & finally no red....whewwww! The

06/2010 had only 2 in the white, 7 close to yellow/yellow & 1 red....this was up

from the prior year after Lots of anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial,

biofilm protocol & 5 years of Lots of chelation (

Immusist (surfactants) was the only thing I added last year...it helped A LOT.

Blessings

Rita

>

> Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use

buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses)

without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

[Guest guest]

rita..did you have a post about biofilm? that is giving me an idea about my son who is not growing at all or gaining weight its scaring me to death....i always thought it was thryriod or some endocrine issue...but im wondering now if he isnt absorbing his calcium....can you suggest what biofilm protocol you did?

i just started him on the immusist today...he seems to clam down after i give it? isnt that strange//i was expecting dieoff....anyways i also ordered virastop as some kind of biofilm fighter....

i never had heard of biofilm affecting calcium....he doesnt have tooth decay...i was always thinking that would be a sign of poor calcium..

your thoughts always appreciated

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:01 PMSubject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

,I do not now about the buffered c...hopefully others will chime in on this one for you. Our doc just has us using the EmergenC packets, 1-6 a day as needed. He always gets 1 in the morning (we use w/a full glass of water to take his morning supps with...we down the Immusist w/his fish oil & herbs...including his LDM-100 then follow w/his other morning supps which includes many of his vits..all this goes down w/his water/emergenc drink).What comes directly to mind w/the calcium issue is biofilms which can feed/throw off the bodies calcium ratios which also tends to throw off their magnesium ratios....does there happen to be low magnesium you are dealing with.A year ago w/were dealing w/some of this & ended up on a partial biofilm protocol...rebalancing the zinc & magnesium ( & strontium for us....all bone building during some early teen growth has been a big battle the last 2 years....he grew 4" last year...it's no

wonder we ended up w/his 1st broken bone last summer....sigh...granted the daredevil stunt bike thing didn't help....ahhhh, 13). We had to stop almost all his calcium (except his standard multi & food intake)during his biofilm detox...we ended up bumping up his magnesium..we still have the bumped up magnesium. We were off calcium for a few months on the biofilm protocol. We've since started it back up. For the 1st time ever his 08/2011 DD hair report shows him @ 50th percentile calcium, his magnesium we are still working on...it was the lowest of all (high end yellow) 14 (ref 18-70...his strontium actually jumped for the 1st time to normal 1.7 (ref .30-3.2).In fact 11 were in the white (50th percentile)!! the rest were in the green!! only 1 was in the yellow (mg high yellow) & finally no red....whewwww! The 06/2010 had only 2 in the white, 7 close to yellow/yellow & 1 red....this was up from the prior year after Lots of anti-viral,

anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, biofilm protocol & 5 years of Lots of chelation (Immusist (surfactants) was the only thing I added last year...it helped A LOT.BlessingsRita>> Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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rita one more question for you........my son can not tolerate zinc at all...i dont push it because i dont believe in pushing stuff...but do you know what could be a cause of zinc intolerance? he does great on copper...im wondering if something is eating all his copper and when i give the zinc it just further depletes the copper??

you are such a smarty pants i thought maybe you might know the answer to this one:)

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:01 PMSubject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

,I do not now about the buffered c...hopefully others will chime in on this one for you. Our doc just has us using the EmergenC packets, 1-6 a day as needed. He always gets 1 in the morning (we use w/a full glass of water to take his morning supps with...we down the Immusist w/his fish oil & herbs...including his LDM-100 then follow w/his other morning supps which includes many of his vits..all this goes down w/his water/emergenc drink).What comes directly to mind w/the calcium issue is biofilms which can feed/throw off the bodies calcium ratios which also tends to throw off their magnesium ratios....does there happen to be low magnesium you are dealing with.A year ago w/were dealing w/some of this & ended up on a partial biofilm protocol...rebalancing the zinc & magnesium ( & strontium for us....all bone building during some early teen growth has been a big battle the last 2 years....he grew 4" last year...it's no

wonder we ended up w/his 1st broken bone last summer....sigh...granted the daredevil stunt bike thing didn't help....ahhhh, 13). We had to stop almost all his calcium (except his standard multi & food intake)during his biofilm detox...we ended up bumping up his magnesium..we still have the bumped up magnesium. We were off calcium for a few months on the biofilm protocol. We've since started it back up. For the 1st time ever his 08/2011 DD hair report shows him @ 50th percentile calcium, his magnesium we are still working on...it was the lowest of all (high end yellow) 14 (ref 18-70...his strontium actually jumped for the 1st time to normal 1.7 (ref .30-3.2).In fact 11 were in the white (50th percentile)!! the rest were in the green!! only 1 was in the yellow (mg high yellow) & finally no red....whewwww! The 06/2010 had only 2 in the white, 7 close to yellow/yellow & 1 red....this was up from the prior year after Lots of anti-viral,

anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, biofilm protocol & 5 years of Lots of chelation (Immusist (surfactants) was the only thing I added last year...it helped A LOT.BlessingsRita>> Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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Hi Rita,For the mineral values, is this the Doctor's Data Hair Elements test? I am hoping to do this soon. And on the immusist, have you seen any side effects and does it kick up yeast/other pathogens? We just added iodine about 10 days ago (as we are all apparently deficient). I believe it helped detox a little AND kick up yeast:(.....sigh, are we always going to react to everything in this house??....anyway, i suppose the good news is my son's reactions are much better then earlier this year when he would literally be bouncing off the walls but i must say there have been many times i have thought of stopping so much of this -- too many 3 steps forward and 4 steps back...but i do believe if you have the right puzzle pieces it will work in the end...so I

am looking for things that boost their immune systems without detoxing too much so we dont flare.....on that note have you heard of any child having a flare up that could not be controlled by the antifungals/antibs?....i am afraid the prescript stuff will stop working and so far we haven't found any herbals they can tolerate......Back to calcium dysregulation: I am not an expert at all on this one but from what i understand there is a theory (ref: Tamaro and the vitamin Kprotocol) that many kids on the spectrum cannot regulate calcium properly and this can cause all kinds of health problems, like the high oxalate issue for one (see OAT test). Both of my kids have high oxalates so it was recommended by our "pricey" DAN to not do supplemental calcium (we've seen about 6 DANs this year). They do get a tiny bit of calcium in their kirkman children's multi which doesnt have the high B6

doses (neither of them did well with the supernuthera and ASD multi).....Plus, there is the biofilm issue too. We did a biofilm protocol this summer that helped a little....anyway, i am concerned still about not taking supplemental calcium but will have to look into this further...we are doing a calcium blood check soon too. Anyway, I would love to know if your WA group knows anything about this / avoids calcium bc of this dysregulation reason.Alot of the drs. in Indiana/Illinois do the Genova diagnostics Nutreval which summarizes your child's vitamin/mineral/amino acids needs and provides other info on oxidative stress, ammonia, yeast/bacteria etc. is, i promise i will try to get back to you soon on your Qs.all the best,megan To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

,

I do not now about the buffered c...hopefully others will chime in on this one for you. Our doc just has us using the EmergenC packets, 1-6 a day as needed. He always gets 1 in the morning (we use w/a full glass of water to take his morning supps with...we down the Immusist w/his fish oil & herbs...including his LDM-100 then follow w/his other morning supps which includes many of his vits..all this goes down w/his water/emergenc drink).

What comes directly to mind w/the calcium issue is biofilms which can feed/throw off the bodies calcium ratios which also tends to throw off their magnesium ratios....does there happen to be low magnesium you are dealing with.

A year ago w/were dealing w/some of this & ended up on a partial biofilm protocol...rebalancing the zinc & magnesium ( & strontium for us....all bone building during some early teen growth has been a big battle the last 2 years....he grew 4" last year...it's no wonder we ended up w/his 1st broken bone last summer....sigh...granted the daredevil stunt bike thing didn't help....ahhhh, 13). We had to stop almost all his calcium (except his standard multi & food intake)during his biofilm detox...we ended up bumping up his magnesium..we still have the bumped up magnesium. We were off calcium for a few months on the biofilm protocol. We've since started it back up. For the 1st time ever his 08/2011 DD hair report shows him @ 50th percentile calcium, his magnesium we are still working on...it was the lowest of all (high end yellow) 14 (ref 18-70...his strontium actually jumped for the 1st time to normal 1.7 (ref .30-3.2).

In fact 11 were in the white (50th percentile)!! the rest were in the green!! only 1 was in the yellow (mg high yellow) & finally no red....whewwww! The 06/2010 had only 2 in the white, 7 close to yellow/yellow & 1 red....this was up from the prior year after Lots of anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial, biofilm protocol & 5 years of Lots of chelation (

Immusist (surfactants) was the only thing I added last year...it helped A LOT.

Blessings

Rita

>

> Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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Channa,

I'm sitting here w/my thinking cap on...I know it's in one of the books &

research from years ago (the tough part of years of doing this...you have to

remember where you learned it) which book was the one w/the copper/zinc ratio

info....ahhhh...came to me...

" Children w/Starving Brains " by Dr McCandless, looked it up...I've used it A

Lot...I won it as a door prize at our local TACA meeting a few years

back...THANK YOU TACA!!...now you can all benefit as I review it...page 30 of my

Third Edition copy...actually it starts on page 29 talking about the

Metallothionein Theory (MT) & the work of Walsh, PhD. It's a protein

which is involved w/the regulation of zinc/copper levels in the blood; detox of

mercury & other toxic metals; development & functioning of the immune system &

brain neurons; production of enzymes that break down casein & gluten; response

to intestinal inflammation. It talks about the chemical profiles of 503 ASD

patients discovered that 99% exhibited abnormal metal metabolism & showed

evidence of MT dysfunction (2001 DAN!).....

Lots of other info on it...you'll have to look it up & read more.

Have you run any recent labs to see where his copper & zinc ratio's are....at

min I run at least a yearly Doctors Data (DD) Hair Analysis(they're only about

$60 or $70). That would at least tell you where your mineral derrangement

patterning is.

Your appreciated!!

Blessings,

Rita

>

> rita one more question for you........my son can not tolerate zinc at all...i

dont push it because i dont believe in pushing stuff...but do you know what

could be a cause of zinc intolerance? he does great on copper...im wondering if

something is eating all his copper and when i give the zinc it just further

depletes the copper??

> you are such a smarty pants i thought maybe you might know the answer to this

one:)

> channa

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Channa,

yep....I touched on biofilm ) ...I've been through A Lot! Couldn't have done

it w/o our really great docs...Love, Love, Love them!!!

On the Biofilm protocol...Can't you guess my dear....Dr Klinghardt's et all of

course...modified to his individual needs using ART (Autonomic Response Testing)

of course....keeps our negative reactions down & positive responses up )

Re the Immusist response...Most all have a positive responses to it. Many

(especially parents) report more energy )...for our kids very few have

negative reactions...the low/slow dose we have you starting on we see very

little die-off, the body gets supported well w/just the Immusist.

Don't start the Virastop yet....give some time to build up on the

Immusist....starting other things to close together doesn't give you a full

picture of what each thing is doing....low & slow, Immusist will handle the

viruses & biofilm....if you are already on something, fine...if not, don't

add....yet...

Part of the Biofilm protocol does affect calcium...my son does not have any

tooth decay either...yet...but if you look @ his labs, especially during his

recent growth spurt...there's issues that need to be addressed or he will....

My advise on this one is to ask about it on the LIA group...the last LIA

conference Dr Klinghardt talked about it...they can probably even direct you to

a link or the DVD of him talking about it (I was volunteering @ registration a

lot incl when this talk was going on so did not catch all of it at the

conference (

Blessings,

Rita

> >

> > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use

buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses)

without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes, the mineral values were the Doctor's Data (DD) Hair Elements....that I have

followed annually for several years now. I have also done the Genova

diagnostics, it was a lot of testing ( & $'s) for all the panels we ran w/Genova.

I prefer the DD report for tracking his mineral derrangement patterning as

there's quite a bit of info establishing the mercury toxicity & derrangement

patterning of the minerals....I use this more as a long term tracking tool.

Overall, the only side effects our WA kids had on it was a month or 2 into it as

the dose was ramped up we found just a few (not all) of them needed to add

binders as stimming increased a little (a couple went back down on their dose

too...again not all...totally depended on the moms intuition/some in our group

use muscle testing to determine what they dose at). The other thing one child

had was a cycling of strep kicked in as the body was trying to further fight the

extremely enlarged tonsils...the child would cycle through faster on the

Immusist (in & out of strep in 3/4 days from 105 fever to feeling great in 2

days..really, amazed us....happened 2x till he just got his T & A out...he did

great w/getting them out as well...mom (whos a doc herself) gave the Immusist

right before & right after the surgery. So the immune system may finally decide

it can try tackling something & it surfaces needing to be dealt with, so I'm not

saying they are never sick...but we do find they cycle through it generally

faster/better when they are on the Immusist as it's supporting the body. What

the child's biggest pathogen stress is what I beleive determines the reaction.

If they have big metals issues, a natural chelation does kick up & we find

having the typical chelation supports are helpful (esp anti-fungals & binders).

Most the kids though, you just see long term slow steady improvements....a few

weeks down the road you see them do things more interactory, their verbal kicks

up or we see more eye contact....all these things are pretty common after a

month or 2.

Some, not all of our WA group sees one or more of our docs (not all)...of those,

depending on what the child needs some have been on the biofilm and/or the VitK

protocol...our docs are very well versed in both protocols.

Hope I covered all you asked...if I missed a point let me know...I'm tired.

Blessings,

Rita

> >

> > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use

buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses)

without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you again Rita! I am planning to talk to our Dr. at our next appt in a couple weeks about starting Immusist. I am still on the fence as to whether or not to trial AC chelation first or after. I think he can go either way -- do well or poorly with chelation given his history.....whatever we do we will have to take it very slowly. We just got back our Nutreval (by the way they have a pay assured program which means you pay around 170$ if your insurance doesnt pay). Anyway, I am pretty confused as my son's oxidative stress has gone higher then it was previously (it was already in the red) as well as his needs for amino acids etc have increased. Since it was taken about the time when i thought he wasnt responding well to the Enhansa (metals circulating, decreased pronunciation) i am wondering

if we had some mercury displaced into his brain....do you or anyone else know about the oxidative stress markers and if they go up when chelating?best,megan To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:28 AM Subject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

,

Yes, the mineral values were the Doctor's Data (DD) Hair Elements....that I have followed annually for several years now. I have also done the Genova diagnostics, it was a lot of testing ( & $'s) for all the panels we ran w/Genova. I prefer the DD report for tracking his mineral derrangement patterning as there's quite a bit of info establishing the mercury toxicity & derrangement patterning of the minerals....I use this more as a long term tracking tool.

Overall, the only side effects our WA kids had on it was a month or 2 into it as the dose was ramped up we found just a few (not all) of them needed to add binders as stimming increased a little (a couple went back down on their dose too...again not all...totally depended on the moms intuition/some in our group use muscle testing to determine what they dose at). The other thing one child had was a cycling of strep kicked in as the body was trying to further fight the extremely enlarged tonsils...the child would cycle through faster on the Immusist (in & out of strep in 3/4 days from 105 fever to feeling great in 2 days..really, amazed us....happened 2x till he just got his T & A out...he did great w/getting them out as well...mom (whos a doc herself) gave the Immusist right before & right after the surgery. So the immune system may finally decide it can try tackling something & it surfaces needing to be dealt with, so I'm not saying they

are never sick...but we do find they cycle through it generally faster/better when they are on the Immusist as it's supporting the body. What the child's biggest pathogen stress is what I beleive determines the reaction. If they have big metals issues, a natural chelation does kick up & we find having the typical chelation supports are helpful (esp anti-fungals & binders). Most the kids though, you just see long term slow steady improvements....a few weeks down the road you see them do things more interactory, their verbal kicks up or we see more eye contact....all these things are pretty common after a month or 2.

Some, not all of our WA group sees one or more of our docs (not all)...of those, depending on what the child needs some have been on the biofilm and/or the VitK protocol...our docs are very well versed in both protocols.

Hope I covered all you asked...if I missed a point let me know...I'm tired.

Blessings,

Rita

> >

> > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

>

[Guest guest]

,

We used the payassured program w/our big set of labs too....LOVE, LOVE, LOVE

that program...saved us $,$$$.$$'s!!! )

My 2c on the chelation....I've chelated w/many products over the years...with

what I concider the best docs around (heck, Dr Klinghardt brought DMPS into the

country... & he has multiple offices around the world...add in his ART & I'm

Totally Blessed being in this area & working w/a doc for the last 6 years that

works/trained directly w/him ) I've done much & seen much & got to know many

local moms just talking in the waiting room )...you see how well so many kids

do...I remember a few years back when we were going through the LED detox so we

were in the office at least 1x a week for 15 weeks straight...remember

looking forward to seeing a couple of his new friends in the office cause they

liked to play together...oh the things us moms learned from each other about our

kids....rambling again, sorry).

I'm letting the body do what the body needs to do... & pick it's own

layers/toxins to detox w/the Immusist....hands down I'd do it 1st. Like I

recently posted, he's the highest mercury he's ever been on his DD hair report,

all naturally w/Immusist, chlorella & alfalfa as a binder...we've been on

chlorella & alfalfa for years, they have stayed on board for years...it flipped

around in a big way for us w/the Immusist.

I'd recommend talking to your doc...if they don't know that much about it or

you're mom-o-meter's not at peace w/the answer, come back to the group...listen

to your mom's intuition....it's gotten me farther than most docs )

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to

use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small

doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you again Rita, you're a star warrior mama! I am thinking we need to try Chlorella and Alfalfa (pectasol may not be working for us) asap. Could you tell me which brands you recommend and where I can find them (so sorry if you have posted this before -- i searched but couldnt find it in previous emails)? Also, have you heard they work ok on the sensitive kids or are there sensitive versions? If you have time to tell me how much to work up to that would be great too. I noticed that you posted earlier that the drs. recommended giving the binders 1 hr away from other stuff (except for charcoal which is 2 hrs)....i may try this as i was told we could give them with the probiotics which we give almost immediately after the vitamins/minerals...and yes i have pretty much decided to try the immusist in

a couple of weeks and think my Dan should go along with it. On that note, I would like to reference a dr or two that she may know who recommends this protocol. Would this be Dr. Klinghardt? I just read up on him and he sounds fabulous!Many thanks again! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Binders &

Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

,

We used the payassured program w/our big set of labs too....LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that program...saved us $,$$$.$$'s!!! )

My 2c on the chelation....I've chelated w/many products over the years...with what I concider the best docs around (heck, Dr Klinghardt brought DMPS into the country... & he has multiple offices around the world...add in his ART & I'm Totally Blessed being in this area & working w/a doc for the last 6 years that works/trained directly w/him ) I've done much & seen much & got to know many local moms just talking in the waiting room )...you see how well so many kids do...I remember a few years back when we were going through the LED detox so we were in the office at least 1x a week for 15 weeks straight...remember looking forward to seeing a couple of his new friends in the office cause they liked to play together...oh the things us moms learned from each other about our kids....rambling again, sorry).

I'm letting the body do what the body needs to do... & pick it's own layers/toxins to detox w/the Immusist....hands down I'd do it 1st. Like I recently posted, he's the highest mercury he's ever been on his DD hair report, all naturally w/Immusist, chlorella & alfalfa as a binder...we've been on chlorella & alfalfa for years, they have stayed on board for years...it flipped around in a big way for us w/the Immusist.

I'd recommend talking to your doc...if they don't know that much about it or you're mom-o-meter's not at peace w/the answer, come back to the group...listen to your mom's intuition....it's gotten me farther than most docs )

Blessings,

Rita

> > >

> > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

> >

>

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Thank You ) Hardship brings experience...just passing it forward...

On the Chlorella, we use BioPureUS (Dr Klinghardt's):

http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Categories.bok?category=Chlor\

ella

(we buy the big bottle 'cause my whole family uses it, that way I only buy it 1

or 2 times a year)

On the Alfalfa, you can use whatever you choose...we just group order at one of

the distributers cost (not here to sell you anything & we make no profit...we

just pass discounts & cover costs to help some in our group) the Shaklee version

as we find the spearmint oil helps so the kids that don't take pills will just

chew them...just works for us in our local group...here's the one we've been

using (it's been ART testing well on us):

http://www.shaklee.com/products.php?sku=20160

Depending on the kid, some are actually doing better on the alfalfa than the

chlorella to start...always depends on the kid.

If you are going to start the Immusist...just start it by itself, low & slow as

we have not been adding binders till down the road a couple of weeks IF we see

stimming increase from the detox...only some of the kids are needing it. Some of

the binders including chlorella can have there own issues....by starting them

appart you better see what each product is doing. For a sensitive kid, if you

are going to start Immusist what I'd do is do not start, add or alter your

existing protocol that you are comfortable. What I've recommended off-list to a

couple that I'm helping is if there is a long list of products that you feel

needs to be weeded down, do it before you start the Immusist...for 1 of the moms

I have set up a spreadsheet for her combining/grouping together the like

products...like I have for myself (vit/min, probiotics, good fats, anti-viral,

anti-bacterial, binders) as I find grouping/organizing them helps me see what I

have doing what. If you're heavy in 1 area (she was heavy in the probiotics area

you can then see & weed down from there....if the doc has you on something for a

specific reason, then keep it...if you haven't seen much w/it...concider

eliminating it too).

What we find is that the more the body has to deal w/when the immune system

kick-starts w/the surfactants in it the more effort the body has to deal w/the

stuff it does not like slowing down the healing process....

For referring practioners my #1 recommendation right now is Payne & Dr

Amy Derksen...Love, Love, Love her!!! She's highly trained w/Dr Klinghardt & his

back up 'cause he's out of town so much w/his offices in the UK &

Germany...she's had the longest experience w/our group using it this last year

although some parents that I've worked w/off-list have ART tested well w/Dr

Klinghardt & he's had them use it...just haven't had the time personally to talk

directly w/him so I don't know exactly where he is educated on it. I did just

hear that Payne spoke at a thinktank recently & he was there though...

I love ART & these docs...yes, we are blessed here (though I don't have the

Microsoft coverage that some of our group has...no ABA therapies down

herre...our recovery is purely budget driven biomeds...

Blessings,

Rita

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> > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to

use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small

doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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dear Rita,I just looked up Dr amy derksen ,is she located in the state of washington? and If I'm going to start with one of these 2 practioners which one you recommend more? I know michael payne does zyto testing which we are able to do long distance but how about Dr derksen?I live in east coast. do you know anybody around here that might be good?Thank you so muchLili From: rchildbalance

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

Thank You ) Hardship brings experience...just passing it forward...

On the Chlorella, we use BioPureUS (Dr Klinghardt's):

http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Categories.bok?category=Chlorella

(we buy the big bottle 'cause my whole family uses it, that way I only buy it 1 or 2 times a year)

On the Alfalfa, you can use whatever you choose...we just group order at one of the distributers cost (not here to sell you anything & we make no profit...we just pass discounts & cover costs to help some in our group) the Shaklee version as we find the spearmint oil helps so the kids that don't take pills will just chew them...just works for us in our local group...here's the one we've been using (it's been ART testing well on us):

http://www.shaklee.com/products.php?sku=20160

Depending on the kid, some are actually doing better on the alfalfa than the chlorella to start...always depends on the kid.

If you are going to start the Immusist...just start it by itself, low & slow as we have not been adding binders till down the road a couple of weeks IF we see stimming increase from the detox...only some of the kids are needing it. Some of the binders including chlorella can have there own issues....by starting them appart you better see what each product is doing. For a sensitive kid, if you are going to start Immusist what I'd do is do not start, add or alter your existing protocol that you are comfortable. What I've recommended off-list to a couple that I'm helping is if there is a long list of products that you feel needs to be weeded down, do it before you start the Immusist...for 1 of the moms I have set up a spreadsheet for her combining/grouping together the like products...like I have for myself (vit/min, probiotics, good fats, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, binders) as I find grouping/organizing them helps me see what I have doing what. If

you're heavy in 1 area (she was heavy in the probiotics area you can then see & weed down from there....if the doc has you on something for a specific reason, then keep it...if you haven't seen much w/it...concider eliminating it too).

What we find is that the more the body has to deal w/when the immune system kick-starts w/the surfactants in it the more effort the body has to deal w/the stuff it does not like slowing down the healing process....

For referring practioners my #1 recommendation right now is Payne & Dr Amy Derksen...Love, Love, Love her!!! She's highly trained w/Dr Klinghardt & his back up 'cause he's out of town so much w/his offices in the UK & Germany...she's had the longest experience w/our group using it this last year although some parents that I've worked w/off-list have ART tested well w/Dr Klinghardt & he's had them use it...just haven't had the time personally to talk directly w/him so I don't know exactly where he is educated on it. I did just hear that Payne spoke at a thinktank recently & he was there though...

I love ART & these docs...yes, we are blessed here (though I don't have the Microsoft coverage that some of our group has...no ABA therapies down herre...our recovery is purely budget driven biomeds...

Blessings,

Rita

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> > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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Lili,

I don't know if either one of them is even taking new patients...last I heard Dr

Amy is not (tried to get someone new to our group in last month....). Dr

Klinghardt regularly refers his patients to Dr Amy.

Dr Nesreen has been in Dr Amy's office for a couple of years now & Dr Amy

trained her if there is anyone in our area that can't get in, I'd use

her...several of us have seen her when Dr Amy is not available.

Man, I checked his website...they keep pulling info from the US stuff...looks

like the US practioner list is also gone now...rrrr.

I KNOW there is practioners all over...a few years ago when I was helping on

another list there was like 1,500 practioners. There have been a few Dr Amy is

training as we are in our appointments. I'll have to do some digging around

here. Last year he had a " Save Our Children, Save Our Future conference in NY

last Feb...wonder if you can get ahold of anyone that might have been there that

they can recommend...I'd check w/then on who they would recommend around

you...here's there website (w/some good article references):

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/

I personally love Dr Amy, she has a beautiful spirit working w/our kids....it's

totally what you can afford (Dr Klinghardt's more) & who can get you in when it

comes to this group.

I love Payne too... & I love the Zyto that you don't have to leave your

house....it's worked well w/many & it leaves a nice tracking report. I'm glad I

have my Zyto copies to refer back to.

I'd say right now Payne has researched Immusist the most (if you do

decide to use him, tell him Rita sent you...I'm trying to get him to Please get

us more info on the cellular stuff w/it ... & yes, it's to pass you more info ;o)

btw LWTI () is having a 20% off sale if you check his website...got the

notice in my e-mail this morning ;o)

Blessings,

Rita

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> > > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary

to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small

doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our

supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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wow rita you are so nice thanks,I live in CT and there is practitioner here that I found from LIA foundation website and in his website it says he had training with Dr klinghart!!! I honestly don't know if he is good or not , I wonder if you ever heard of him " tom moorecroft" www.OriginsOfHealth.com I trust your judgment what do you think,I'm trying to change my approach since after 3 years of DAN we had no result.Thanks again sooooooo much and God bless you Lili To: mb12valtrex Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Binders & Organ Support list (Repost for Channa)

Lili,

I don't know if either one of them is even taking new patients...last I heard Dr Amy is not (tried to get someone new to our group in last month....). Dr Klinghardt regularly refers his patients to Dr Amy.

Dr Nesreen has been in Dr Amy's office for a couple of years now & Dr Amy trained her if there is anyone in our area that can't get in, I'd use her...several of us have seen her when Dr Amy is not available.

Man, I checked his website...they keep pulling info from the US stuff...looks like the US practioner list is also gone now...rrrr.

I KNOW there is practioners all over...a few years ago when I was helping on another list there was like 1,500 practioners. There have been a few Dr Amy is training as we are in our appointments. I'll have to do some digging around here. Last year he had a "Save Our Children, Save Our Future conference in NY last Feb...wonder if you can get ahold of anyone that might have been there that they can recommend...I'd check w/then on who they would recommend around you...here's there website (w/some good article references):

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/

I personally love Dr Amy, she has a beautiful spirit working w/our kids....it's totally what you can afford (Dr Klinghardt's more) & who can get you in when it comes to this group.

I love Payne too... & I love the Zyto that you don't have to leave your house....it's worked well w/many & it leaves a nice tracking report. I'm glad I have my Zyto copies to refer back to.

I'd say right now Payne has researched Immusist the most (if you do decide to use him, tell him Rita sent you...I'm trying to get him to Please get us more info on the cellular stuff w/it ... & yes, it's to pass you more info ;o)

btw LWTI () is having a 20% off sale if you check his website...got the notice in my e-mail this morning ;o)

Blessings,

Rita

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> > > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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Lili,

Thanks!

Oh man...I don't know...if it were me I'd see what this group & the LIA group

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism group says...I know there are several in

that area...the only thing, to protect the docs we only post initials on the LIA

group....if you knew lyme, it's worse than vaccines...Very Politically incorrect

( it's very, very sad! What I'd do is post that you are looking for a DrK dr

around the CT area...they're a great group that you can try to connect up

w/too...the more support the better )

Blessing,

Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is

necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive

kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in

any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my

daughter)

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[Guest guest]

Thank you rita! You've given me some great ideas on reordering the supps for better digestion! Once we get those in order, would it make sense to start on the immusist at one drop in 8oz water and work up by one drop per week for one or two months? I would then like to trial ac chelation...i am thinking this is the order we should do it in...sound reasonable?Many thanks!-- Sent from my Palm Pre

Thank You ) Hardship brings experience...just passing it forward...

On the Chlorella, we use BioPureUS (Dr Klinghardt's):

http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Categories.bok?category=Chlorella

(we buy the big bottle 'cause my whole family uses it, that way I only buy it 1 or 2 times a year)

On the Alfalfa, you can use whatever you choose...we just group order at one of the distributers cost (not here to sell you anything & we make no profit...we just pass discounts & cover costs to help some in our group) the Shaklee version as we find the spearmint oil helps so the kids that don't take pills will just chew them...just works for us in our local group...here's the one we've been using (it's been ART testing well on us):

http://www.shaklee.com/products.php?sku=20160

Depending on the kid, some are actually doing better on the alfalfa than the chlorella to start...always depends on the kid.

If you are going to start the Immusist...just start it by itself, low & slow as we have not been adding binders till down the road a couple of weeks IF we see stimming increase from the detox...only some of the kids are needing it. Some of the binders including chlorella can have there own issues....by starting them appart you better see what each product is doing. For a sensitive kid, if you are going to start Immusist what I'd do is do not start, add or alter your existing protocol that you are comfortable. What I've recommended off-list to a couple that I'm helping is if there is a long list of products that you feel needs to be weeded down, do it before you start the Immusist...for 1 of the moms I have set up a spreadsheet for her combining/grouping together the like products...like I have for myself (vit/min, probiotics, good fats, anti-viral, anti-bacterial, binders) as I find grouping/organizing them helps me see what I have doing what. If you're heavy in 1 area (she was heavy in the probiotics area you can then see & weed down from there....if the doc has you on something for a specific reason, then keep it...if you haven't seen much w/it...concider eliminating it too).

What we find is that the more the body has to deal w/when the immune system kick-starts w/the surfactants in it the more effort the body has to deal w/the stuff it does not like slowing down the healing process....

For referring practioners my #1 recommendation right now is Payne & Dr Amy Derksen...Love, Love, Love her!!! She's highly trained w/Dr Klinghardt & his back up 'cause he's out of town so much w/his offices in the UK & Germany...she's had the longest experience w/our group using it this last year although some parents that I've worked w/off-list have ART tested well w/Dr Klinghardt & he's had them use it...just haven't had the time personally to talk directly w/him so I don't know exactly where he is educated on it. I did just hear that Payne spoke at a thinktank recently & he was there though...

I love ART & these docs...yes, we are blessed here (though I don't have the Microsoft coverage that some of our group has...no ABA therapies down herre...our recovery is purely budget driven biomeds...

Blessings,

Rita

> > > >

> > > > Thank you rita for sending this again. Do you know if it is necessary to use buffered c? And do you have a recommend for small sensitive kids (small doses) without the calcium? One of our drs recommended no calcium in any of our supplements bc of calcium dysregulation and high calcium (my daughter)

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