Stimming and dmg

December 12, 2011

Hi alexis and kristin,I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done, glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg. It usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up his yeast (yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive tract)...i read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather than exit if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my son was low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his severe symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of course your children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to something else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!-- Sent from my Palm Pre

December 12, 2011

Hi ,

Thanks for your post. We started my son on dmg last year with a lot of

improvement right away. His eye contact and focus improved. Then he started

having tantrums and aggression. Initially I wasn't sure what was causing it so I

started taking off supps. I took off carnitine and then dmg. Now your post makes

me think that I am still dealing with those negative behaviors even though those

supps are gone. Then I remembered that probably my son was more aggressive those

days as his testosterone level was high from a large dose of zinc that he was

getting. I have started vancomycin for my son's clostridia(assumed overgrowth

from behaviors). He is still having tantrums when he is hungry but overall he

seems extremely happy and silly. He is stimming a lot. I am going to ask his dan

regarding DMG as I never discussed that with him. Our old dan had told us to

keep him on dmg. I asked him about amino acid profile but he said that it is not

needed. Can you give me the name of the exact test so I can request him again?

My son also has low tone which was a little better when he was on carnitine but

then he was getting cranky easily. I stopped and restarted carnitine and noticed

that anger and aggression came back. Is it because carnitine helps testosterone

act better on end organs? I am not sure. Let me know what you think.

Thanks

is

>

> Hi alexis and kristin,

>

> I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done,

glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming

which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg.

& nbsp;It usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up

his yeast (yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive

tract)...i read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather

than exit if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my

son was low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his

severe symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of

course your children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to

something else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!

> -- Sent from my Palm Pre

>

December 12, 2011

brice vickery sells amino plus....has good range of amino acides 1000mg

To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:07 AMSubject: Stimming and dmg

Hi alexis and kristin,I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done, glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg. It usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up his yeast (yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive tract)...i read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather than exit if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my son was low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his severe symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of course your children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to something else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!

-- Sent from my Palm Pre

December 13, 2011

Hi Channa

Ok, we have had oat test that said supp with Glycine and L-Carnite. I have

stopped the glycine, due to oxalates, but maybe will start up again and see. I

will ask the doc.

How is DMG different to plain old Glycine?

Australia

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> brice vickery sells amino plus....has good range of amino acides 1000mg

>

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> To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >

> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:07 AM

> Subject: Stimming and dmg

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> Hi alexis and kristin,

>

> I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done,

glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming

which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg. Â It

usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up his yeast

(yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive tract)...i

read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather than exit

if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my son was

low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his severe

symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of course your

children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to something

else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!

>

> -- Sent from my Palm Pre

>

December 13, 2011

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Hi Channa

Ok, we have had oat test that said supp with Glycine and L-Carnite. I have stopped the glycine, due to oxalates, but maybe will start up again and see. I will ask the doc.

How is DMG different to plain old Glycine?

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December 13, 2011

oh no....this is not my expertise...i dont know about medical tests....i use a pendulum:)

channa

To: mb12valtrex Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:25 AMSubject: Re: Stimming and dmg

Hi ChannaOk, we have had oat test that said supp with Glycine and L-Carnite. I have stopped the glycine, due to oxalates, but maybe will start up again and see. I will ask the doc.How is DMG different to plain old Glycine?Australia>> brice vickery sells amino plus....has good range of amino acides 1000mg> > > > ________________________________> > To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex > > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:07 AM> Subject: Stimming and

dmg> > > Ã‚ > > Hi alexis and kristin,> > I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done, glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg. Ã‚ It usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up his yeast (yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive tract)...i read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather than exit if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my son was low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his severe symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of course your children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to something else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!>

> -- Sent from my Palm Pre>

December 13, 2011

Hi is,Sorry, i am sooooo behind on everything right now and my 2 year old is waking me up way too early these days!! On the DMG, did you ever trial TMG? I have read that if some kids who dont do well on DMG are fine with TMG. Also, did you see the tantrums and aggression after increasing the dosage or was it just a few days after the first dose?...we have started and stopped so many supplements bc both of my kids are so sensitive. I write everything down in a notebook so i can refer to it later when i retrial it again. I have found that sometimes when you reintroduce it later they are fine...for example, my son had really bad stimming with magnesium citrate in the spring so we switched to mag. malate. We retried mag citrate a couple months

ago and he was fine.....then there are a few that i have tried a couple times that i just do not think either of them do well on even though the reports say they need it (COQ10, carnitine, B6...). I am almost positive they upset their tummies. Since your son has such bad acid reflux, i would think this could be an issue for him too. And when your tummy hurts, i would think this could cause some aggression/anger. On the vancomycin, please keep an eye out for it being too strong for the antifungal. We had this problem with both vanco and flagyl. And based on your below points that he is stimming alot, tantrums, silly and happy, that sounds like yeast to me -- at least that is how it looks here. Our dr. had us on the 5 days on, 2 days off protocol for vanco and flagyl and if he is still on Nystatin it is probably too weak for the vanco. We did about 4 months

of prescript antifungals/antibs this summer/fall where they fill flopped between yeast and clostridia so I was able to take alot of notes on it:) It is all about balance!On the amino acid tests, we have been doing the Nutreval (Genova Diagnostics). It is about 2000$ comprehensive vitamin,mineral, amino acid, malabsorption etc test but if you do the pay assured and have insurance it is not too pricey (170$). They do provide a good summary of vit/mineral/amino acid needs but I find it still hard to figure out what all the markers mean!Hope this helps! To: mb12valtrex Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Stimming and dmg

Hi ,

Thanks for your post. We started my son on dmg last year with a lot of improvement right away. His eye contact and focus improved. Then he started having tantrums and aggression. Initially I wasn't sure what was causing it so I started taking off supps. I took off carnitine and then dmg. Now your post makes me think that I am still dealing with those negative behaviors even though those supps are gone. Then I remembered that probably my son was more aggressive those days as his testosterone level was high from a large dose of zinc that he was getting. I have started vancomycin for my son's clostridia(assumed overgrowth from behaviors). He is still having tantrums when he is hungry but overall he seems extremely happy and silly. He is stimming a lot. I am going to ask his dan regarding DMG as I never discussed that with him. Our old dan had told us to keep him on dmg. I asked him about amino acid profile but he said that it is not needed. Can you give me

the name of the exact test so I can request him again? My son also has low tone which was a little better when he was on carnitine but then he was getting cranky easily. I stopped and restarted carnitine and noticed that anger and aggression came back. Is it because carnitine helps testosterone act better on end organs? I am not sure. Let me know what you think.

Thanks

is

>

> Hi alexis and kristin,

>

> I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done, glycine etc? While doing biomed my son has had periods of really severe stimming which became more mild almost immediately from adding or increasing dmg. & nbsp;It usually flares when he is having a big detox which I believe kicks up his yeast (yeast and other bugs feed on the metals as they exit the digestive tract)...i read in the dr. Bock book about how metals can just circulate rather than exit if you don't have the right amino acids that help carry them out...my son was low on glycine in his nutreval and like I said once I tried dmg his severe symptoms stopped immediately..and this has helped several times...of course your children's stimming might be related to something else or respond to something else...just thought I would share in case it is helpful for you!

> -- Sent from my Palm Pre

>

December 13, 2011

, no need to apologize. U r alrealdy helping a lot. I agree with you that

nystatin may not be doing the job right. I actually did ask our dan for

fluconazole but he said for now he wanted to continue nystatin. I will be

getting his CBC result probably in a couple of days and if both hemoglobin and

platelet count come back normal, I would ask for fluconazole again.

I am not sure if at that point DMG was the culprit. I just started taking off

supps which were relatively new. I did notice that he did ok at 300 mg and I

noticed more anger at higher doses and our old dan was pushing to keep going up

on dose. I can actually give it another try if it would help with stimming as

that is my son's major problem. I feel like my son is going through mood

disorder. Either he is very happy, silly, trying to play silly games with me and

my husband and even getting hysterical with baby sister. Then at other times he

would start getting upset on minor issues when things don't go his way and

throws a huge tantrum that lasts for 30 minutes. He has increased sensitivity on

the skin of his chest and complains of booboo in the chest and pulls off his

shirt from the skin. I am not sure what is going on. We have completed 5 days of

vancomycin and tantrums are reducing in frequency but still present. He is

extremely hungry and thirsty though and keeps asking for water and food. Let us

see what happens in the next 1 week.

Thanks

is

>

> Hi is,

>

> Sorry, i am sooooo behind on everything right now and my 2 year old is waking

me up way too early these days!! Â On the DMG, did you ever trial TMG? Â I have

read that if some kids who dont do well on DMG are fine with TMG. Â Also, did

you see the tantrums and aggression after increasing the dosage or was it just a

few days after the first dose?...we have started and stopped so many supplements

bc both of my kids are so sensitive. Â I write everything down in a notebook so

i can refer to it later when i retrial it again. Â I have found that sometimes

when you reintroduce it later they are fine...for example, my son had really bad

stimming with magnesium citrate in the spring so we switched to mag. malate. Â

We retried mag citrate a couple months ago and he was fine.....then there are a

few that i have tried a couple times that i just do not think either of them do

well on even though the reports say they need it (COQ10, carnitine, B6...). Â I

am almost

> positive they upset their tummies. Â Since your son has such bad acid reflux,

i would think this could be an issue for him too. Â And when your tummy hurts, i

would think this could cause some aggression/anger. Â

>

> On the vancomycin, please keep an eye out for it being too strong for the

antifungal. Â We had this problem with both vanco and flagyl. Â And based on

your below points that he is stimming alot, tantrums, silly and happy, that

sounds like yeast to me -- at least that is how it looks here. Â Our dr. had us

on the 5 days on, 2 days off protocol for vanco and flagyl and if he is still on

Nystatin it is probably too weak for the vanco. Â We did about 4 months of

prescript antifungals/antibs this summer/fall where they fill flopped between

yeast and clostridia so I was able to take alot of notes on it:) Â It is all

about balance!

>

> On the amino acid tests, we have been doing the Nutreval (Genova Diagnostics).

Â It is about 2000$ comprehensive vitamin,mineral, amino acid, malabsorption etc

test but if you do the pay assured and have insurance it is not too pricey

(170$). Â They do provide a good summary of vit/mineral/amino acid needs but I

find it still hard to figure out what all the markers mean!

>

> Hope this helps!

>

> >

>

December 15, 2011

Hi Channa/rita and all

Need a bit of advice. My son has confirmed high Mercury (this is no surprise

after Rita posted her notes and we have hand flapping, decreased sensitivity of

skin definetley, maybe also mouth) in his porphyin test (Phillppe Ausguste). My

doctor has recommended mtp promoter. She will also supp. zinc. I asked her

about binders and we ran out time!!!#@

I have just done some looking up, and note that Metallothionein chelates the

metals. zinc is needed as it removes 7 times the amount of zinc, but concerned

again about binders!!! due to the old subject of stimming again! Sorry to harp

on about this.

I asked the doc whether i should see a Neurologist, because I can see that some

do ( as by posts) with such perplexing complex things?

Any words of wisdom. We are CF/GF/LODiet.

thanks

Australia

> >

> > brice vickery sells amino plus....has good range of amino acides 1000mg

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: <meganscott624@>

> > To: mb12valtrex <mb12valtrex >

> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:07 AM

> > Subject: Stimming and dmg

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Hi alexis and kristin,

> >

> > I read your posts and was wondering if you had any amino acids panels done,